Re: [Wikimedia-l] Respect and good faith

[Dariusz Jemielniak]

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> Since however, board and staff members are so concerned about respect and
> good faith, perhaps they would like demonstrate their commitment by being
> more willing to extend those courtesies to members of the volunteer
> communty.  A way of doing that would be to assume good faith, actually read
> comments and respond in a helpful and constructive way.  Some staff and
> board members are exemplary in their engagement with the community.  Some,
> sadly, have been quite the opposite.
>
>
I think you're right that we all need to work hard to be civil, and that
always assuming good faith is not something we're born with, it requires
work, and will.

One of the lessons from Wikimedia, that I have learnt and that I value a
lot, is that it is possible to focus on valid and positive parts of
messages rather than on everything else, even if the other part dominates -
and I agree with you that we should all aim to do that.

I personally did not read the emails you quote as disrespectful or
purposedly stifling discussion, but of course I understand that
sensitivities differ.

best,

dariusz "pundit"
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Winning photos of Wiki Loves Monuments Bangladesh 2016

[Asaf Bartov]

That's fantastic, Shabab!  It is an excellent example of added value from
WLM, beyond the photos themselves.

   A.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:27 AM Shabab Mustafa 
wrote:

> I just want to add a little supplementary information, with this big
> response from the people, at a point we had many pictures of Govt. listed
> archeological sites but we didn't have articles on them for each and every
> of them. So, we started a edit-a-thon to keep up with the flow. That
> edit-a-thon was also successful.
>
> We hope we will get more beautiful pictures next year.
>
> On Nov 8, 2016 8:53 PM, "Nurunnaby Hasive" 
> wrote:
>
> For the first time we arrange WLM in Bangladesh & we get huge response.
> Hope next year we got more beautiful monuments picture.
>
> -Hasive
> Member, Organising Committee
> WLM Bangladesh 2016
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Biyanto Rebin <
> biyanto.re...@wikimedia.or.id
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I love this picture, thank you Tanweer!
> >
> >
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%B9%
> E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A5%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%
> 97%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BC%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%AA%E0%A7%8D%
> E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%9A%E0%A7%80%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%
> B0_%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BE%
> E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%A0%E0%
> A7%81%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF.jpg
> >
> > 2016-11-04 0:38 GMT+07:00 Tanweer Morshed :
> >
> > > Deal all,
> > >
> > > We are very happy to announce the top 10 winning photos[1] of Wiki
> Loves
> > > Monuments Bangladesh 2016. These 10 photos will compete in the
> > > international stage of the competition.
> > >
> > > This was the first time Wiki Loves Monuments was organized in
> > Bangladesh. A
> > > total 7532 photographs of 452 archaeological sites and buildings were
> > > uploaded. Congratulations to all the winners. And a big thanks to the
> > > volunteers who were involved in organizing the competition.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_
> > > Monuments_2016_in_Bangladesh/Winning_photos
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks and regards,
> > > *Tanweer Morshed*
> > > Member, Organizing Committee
> > > Wiki Loves Monuments Bangladesh 2016
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[Wikimedia-l] Open letter to the new CTO

[Rogol Domedonfors]

Dear Dr Coleman

Congratulations on your appointment. May I offer some suggestions for
things you might like to pay attention to now tas you embark on your new
job. I suggest that engagement with the volunteer community, especially at
a strategic and early stage in your decision making will be vital, as will
driving that engagement down to the medium-term goals and activities. Of
course by engagement I mean an intelligent and intelligible two-way
discussion in which all sides participate in a spirit of freedom,
frankness, fairness and constructive dialogue. You may wish to develop a
more coherent and consistent set of portals or other specific and
well-resourced vehicles for that engagement for the medium term, aligned
with the WMF planning and delivery processes, sufficiently well-resourced
to make a different to the coherence and effectivness of your operations. I
further venture to suggest that you may wish to foster a more rigorous
culture of planning and effective delivery to plans than has been universal
in the past, coupled with transparancy and accountability in the full view
of the community who are their ultimate customers.

There are some specific strategic objectives where that engagement has been
absent and where that absence has been hampering effectiveness. It would be
a good idea to get a clear concise and measurable set of obectives around
the areas of Visual Editor, Wikitext, Parsoid, Flow, Workflow and
Discovery. I believe it is also essential that having done so, you publish
them to and involve the Community in an effective way in testing the
direction and delivery of your plans in those areas. Currently there is not
the community buy-in that you need to make these plans effective.  You will
probably want to specifically understand, clarify and stabilise the
proposal around editor and parser unification, which have been mentioned in
public, without detals being made available – there is a considerable
impact on the workflow of the existing base of volunteer content
contributors.

I will allow myslf the freedom to give you my views on the current
performance of your staff and the progress on some of these projects, which
of course you will complement or contradict as you pursue your
investigations. Those views are not positive, and will probably not be
welcome to you or to your staff. They are nonetheless a genuine view of
those projects as seen by a member of the community keen to be a critical
and constructive observer -- and they are summarised by the four words
 *under-ambitious,
under-resourced, under-managed and under-performing*. The VE/Parsoid/Flow
complex suffers from scope mismatch. As a vehicle for delivering a WYSIWYG
editor and discussion board it is over-complex, while VE and Flow are
under-ambitious. Can these really be regarded as cutting edge in 2016? If
correctly scoped they could and should have been delivered and finalised
long ago, if not brought in from pre-existing open source projects.  The
execution of the VE project has been lacklustre. Such a straightforward
product should have been finished long since, and it was clearly
inadequately resourced and managed. Indeed, it has been explained to me in
patronising terms at least twice that this is the way Agile looks. No, this
is the way a badly managed project looks. The current culture appears not
to pritorise such issues as timeliness and grip. Finally, Workflow has
already failed. In the absence of resources to undertake the required
research into the huge complexity of work flows within the projects,
whatever is designed will be designed in ignorance, and hence simply can
not succeed. Ever. It is already a waste of time.

In terms of the wider project, the view of an editing and rendering engine
as handling only unidirectional linear text fails to capture even the
richness of current projects let alone future knowledge modalities, such as
complex text (hieroglyphics, chemistry, mathematics, music),
higher-dimensional data (genomic, proteomic, 3D printing), data in time
(audio, video), interactive, computational, ... all of which could and
should have been scoped out by your innovation work.  Please consider how
you can develop a vibrant and ambitious innovation initiative, actively led
and managed, and in partnership with world-class organisations involved in
knowledge management, representation and curation.

Having mentioned Agile, let me say that the way it is currently regarded in
the WMF seems to me to be fundamentally misconceived.  The attitude towards
Agile development, as put to me by staff, appears to me to be an excuse for
designing without clear goals or user involvement, and delivery of shoddy
bug-ridden code into production systems for the hapless users to debug.  As
I say, this is not Agile.

So, what can be done? The answer is simple, but requires a change in
culture as much as one of process, and change you will need to drive. You
must stop your staff thinking of the community as a burden which 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] DEITYBOUNCE and reader logs (was Re: Introducing Victoria Coleman, WMF Chief Technology Officer)

[Dario Taraborelli]

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:10 AM, James Salsman  wrote:

> I assumed that when an affiliated researcher apart from Foundation
> staff says, "we have the complete server logs for Wikipedia,"
> amounting to 17 terabytes per month, that means they possess the
> information. I am glad to be wrong about that, but I object to the
> implication that such an assumption based on the plain language of
> the statement could possibly be made in bad faith.
>

I am glad we cleared that confusion.


> > the terms of our formal collaborations
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research/Formal_collaborations
> > prohibit the sharing of any raw data containing PII (such as
> > webrequest logs) outside of WMF operated servers,
>
> There is nothing on that page which suggests that prohibition.
>

You're correct that that document doesn't describe in detail the data
access process. When we start a formal collaboration under an NDA, we have
an onboarding process that gives researchers restricted access to our
cluster, covers server access responsibilities and best practices around
the handling of private data. I'll check with our Legal and Security team
if we can better document this process.


> > as well as the retention of any such data past our data retention
> > period https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_retention_guidelines
>
> That page says, "Information (including personal information)
> collected through participation in a survey or other research
> conducted by the Wikimedia Foundation will be retained indefinitely
> for educational, development, or other related purposes, unless
> otherwise indicated in the privacy policy or statement of such
> survey or research."
>

This is for surveys requesting explicit (*opt in*) consent to collect and
retain specific types of data (such as demographic information) from
participants, not for data collected by default via our webrequest logs.
Webrequest logs and instrumentation data is purged/sanitized by default
within a the 90-day retention window, most often the data sits on our
servers for a much shorter time and is removed in a shorter time frame.


> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:2016_
> Strategy/Draft_WMF_Strategy=15467086=15466763
> says that the Foundation's standard research NDAs include an
> "obligation to return or destroy any copies of confidential
> information the individual may have upon request by WMF"
>
> Does that not imply that such copies are allowed in general?
>

IANAL so I can't comment on that but I believe this is a clause that's part
of our NDA to avoid confidential information (not specifically PII) to be
retained by third parties past the terms of the NDA.


> I hope we can move forward to a solution to the general problem.
>
> Is there any legitimate research or any other need to save IP
> addresses associated with HTTP GET web logs to disk prior to
> creating a secure hash of them?
>

these are considerations that the analytics / ops team are best suited to
answer, I encourage you to relay them to analytics-l if you want to have a
more technical discussion.

HTH,
Dario
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[Wikimedia-l] Respect and good faith

[Rogol Domedonfors]

Some recent posts here have provoked what seem to me to be unmerited
rebukes from members of WMF staff and board.  In one case comments to the
effect that a Board member's new job might lead to a conflict of interest
led to a rebuke from the Board's chair "I’m really sad to witness the tone
of certain emails in this thread ... respect is never optional"  (In the
interests of disclosure, one of the "certain emails" referred to in this
lofty pronouncement, although not identified as such, was probably mine).
In another, a posting pointing out an inconsistency between various public
statetements on the important question of privacy for project users lead to
a rebuke from the WMF Head of Research "I am saddened to see that – instead
of asking (legitimate) questions to clarify how data is collected and
shared – you are assuming bad faith, publicly undermining people across
multiple teams at Wikimedia".

In my view neither of these rebukes were merited, and represent attempts to
close down discussion on issues that were being raised and discussed in a
legitimate, constructive and orderly manner.  Just because opinions are
unwelcome to board or staff members does not in itself make them
illegitimate, disrepecttful or bad taith.  Board and staff members are not
in a position of superiority over the volunteers, wih some sort of
authorisation to rebuke or reward them.  They and we are fellow workers in
the mission to deliver human knowledge.

Since however, board and staff members are so concerned about respect and
good faith, perhaps they would like demonstrate their commitment by being
more willing to extend those courtesies to members of the volunteer
communty.  A way of doing that would be to assume good faith, actually read
comments and respond in a helpful and constructive way.  Some staff and
board members are exemplary in their engagement with the community.  Some,
sadly, have been quite the opposite.

"Rogol"
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Winning photos of Wiki Loves Monuments Bangladesh 2016

[Shabab Mustafa]

I just want to add a little supplementary information, with this big
response from the people, at a point we had many pictures of Govt. listed
archeological sites but we didn't have articles on them for each and every
of them. So, we started a edit-a-thon to keep up with the flow. That
edit-a-thon was also successful.

We hope we will get more beautiful pictures next year.

On Nov 8, 2016 8:53 PM, "Nurunnaby Hasive"  wrote:

For the first time we arrange WLM in Bangladesh & we get huge response.
Hope next year we got more beautiful monuments picture.

-Hasive
Member, Organising Committee
WLM Bangladesh 2016

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Biyanto Rebin 
wrote:

> I love this picture, thank you Tanweer!
>
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%B9%
E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A5%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%
97%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BC%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%AA%E0%A7%8D%
E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%9A%E0%A7%80%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%
B0_%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BE%
E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%A0%E0%
A7%81%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF.jpg
>
> 2016-11-04 0:38 GMT+07:00 Tanweer Morshed :
>
> > Deal all,
> >
> > We are very happy to announce the top 10 winning photos[1] of Wiki Loves
> > Monuments Bangladesh 2016. These 10 photos will compete in the
> > international stage of the competition.
> >
> > This was the first time Wiki Loves Monuments was organized in
> Bangladesh. A
> > total 7532 photographs of 452 archaeological sites and buildings were
> > uploaded. Congratulations to all the winners. And a big thanks to the
> > volunteers who were involved in organizing the competition.
> >
> > [1]
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_
> > Monuments_2016_in_Bangladesh/Winning_photos
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> > *Tanweer Morshed*
> > Member, Organizing Committee
> > Wiki Loves Monuments Bangladesh 2016
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> Wikimedia Indonesia
> Nomor Ponsel: +62 8989 037379
> Surel: biyanto.re...@wikimedia.or.id
> 
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] DEITYBOUNCE and reader logs (was Re: Introducing Victoria Coleman, WMF Chief Technology Officer)

[James Salsman]

Dario,

I assumed that when an affiliated researcher apart from Foundation
staff says, "we have the complete server logs for Wikipedia,"
amounting to 17 terabytes per month, that means they possess the
information. I am glad to be wrong about that, but I object to the
implication that such an assumption based on the plain language of
the statement could possibly be made in bad faith.

> the terms of our formal collaborations
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research/Formal_collaborations
> prohibit the sharing of any raw data containing PII (such as
> webrequest logs) outside of WMF operated servers,

There is nothing on that page which suggests that prohibition.

> as well as the retention of any such data past our data retention
> period https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_retention_guidelines

That page says, "Information (including personal information)
collected through participation in a survey or other research
conducted by the Wikimedia Foundation will be retained indefinitely
for educational, development, or other related purposes, unless
otherwise indicated in the privacy policy or statement of such
survey or research."

https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:2016_Strategy/Draft_WMF_Strategy=15467086=15466763
says that the Foundation's standard research NDAs include an
"obligation to return or destroy any copies of confidential
information the individual may have upon request by WMF"

Does that not imply that such copies are allowed in general?

I hope we can move forward to a solution to the general problem.

Is there any legitimate research or any other need to save IP
addresses associated with HTTP GET web logs to disk prior to
creating a secure hash of them?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] DEITYBOUNCE and reader logs (was Re: Introducing Victoria Coleman, WMF Chief Technology Officer)

[Dario Taraborelli]

Hi James,

> If this does not imply that the logs are copied from Foundation servers,
that is certainly advantageous over the apparent meaning of the language
used.

I am saddened to see that – instead of asking (legitimate) questions to
clarify how data is collected and shared – you are assuming bad faith,
publicly undermining people across multiple teams at Wikimedia – Security,
Legal, Analytics and Research – whose job is to protect the data the WMF
collects for a variety of research and operational purposes.

Let me briefly reinstate what Leila said earlier: the terms of our formal
collaborations

prohibit
the sharing of any raw data containing PII (such as webrequest logs)
outside of WMF operated servers, as well as the retention of any such data
past our data retention period
. If you have
any substantiated concerns about the collection, retention, or sharing of
data for the purpose of this or other projects, I invite you to follow
Leila's advice and file a request.

> But I question whether recording the personally identifying data in the
first place is wise.

Our privacy policy 
explains in detail what WMF considers PII and how we collect it. If you
have questions about the collection and retention of PII, please post them
here . All data that's
collected by the WMF is transparently documented on Wikitech
.

> I understand that there are currently two other university research 
> laboratories
which have similar access. Is that correct?

Current formal collaborations under an NDA are documented on this page

(see
also our FAQ on Meta ).
Specifics of data collection and analysis are described on the
corresponding project page.

Dario

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 2:01 AM, Thyge  wrote:

> James Salsman wrote:
>
> >
> > If this does not imply that the logs are copied from Foundation
> > servers, that is certainly advantageous over the apparent meaning
> > of the language used.
>
>
> Reading the links you provided, and Robert West's acknowledgements which
> you did not link to, the above strikes me as being creation of drama as
> opposed to asking a question assuming good faith. Since Robert West had
> a Wikimedia Fellowship 1), I assume that he was able to analyze data from
> Wikipedia directly and that no transfer data outside of the WMF has taken
> place. I'm sure Leila Zia is able to clarify.
>
> Regards,
> Thyge - Sir48
>
> 1) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Victoria Coleman, WMF Chief Technology Officer

[Nikola Kalchev]

I am very impressed. A great career until now, good universities, published
books. Victoria, I wish you plenty of success! Welcome!
Nikola / User:Лорд Бъмбъри
Wikimedians of Bulgaria

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:07 AM, Nurunnaby Hasive 
wrote:

> Welcome Victoria.
>
> -Hasive
> WMBD
> @nhasive
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 2:36 AM, Bobby Shabangu 
> wrote:
>
> > Impressive resume,
> >
> > Welcome Victoria.
> >
> > On 03 Nov 2016 11:44 AM,  wrote:
> >
> > ‎Wow!!!
> >
> > This is a great news. Welcome Victoria on board.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Olushola
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> >   Original Message
> > From: Tim Moritz Hector
> > Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2016 08:25
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Reply To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Cc: Victoria Coleman
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Victoria Coleman, WMF Chief
> > Technology Officer
> >
> > A warm welcome to Wikimedia also from Germany, Victoria! I'm happy to see
> > you joining the movement and wish you a good start at the Wikimedia
> > Foundation.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Tim Moritz Hector
> >
> > Chair of the Board
> > Wikimedia Deutschland
> >
> > Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | D-10963 Berlin
> > http://www.wikimedia.de
> >
> > 2016-11-02 22:50 GMT+01:00 Damon Sicore :
> >
> > >
> > > Victoria,
> > >
> > > This is great news! I believe your talent, knowledge, and insight will
> > > boost and elevate the WMF community, and I know your positive
> personality
> > > will be warmly welcomed.
> > >
> > > Yours faithfully,
> > > Damon Sicore
> > > https://damon.sicore.com 
> > > 6E98 FBFB D192 D325 B85D D4FF FD2A 20ED DC1D 3975
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Katherine Maher 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I’m excited today to introduce the Wikimedia Foundation's new Chief
> > > > Technology Officer, Victoria Coleman. Victoria’s first day is
> November
> > 7,
> > > > and she will be based in the Foundation's office in San Francisco.
> > > >
> > > > Victoria comes to us with more than 20 years of experience in
> consumer
> > > and
> > > > enterprise technology. And as you’ll learn quickly when you start
> > getting
> > > > to know her, she is deeply passionate about the importance of
> > education,
> > > > and how the Wikimedia mission advances education and equity around
> the
> > > > world.
> > > >
> > > > When we started looking for a CTO for the Foundation, projects, and
> > > > communities, we knew we were looking for a unique person - someone
> with
> > > the
> > > > experience to lead confidently, and the confidence to embrace open
> > > > collaboration in leadership. We were looking for someone with a track
> > > > record of success leading strategy and execution for technology
> > platforms
> > > > at scale, someone will be an effective mentor and leader for our
> > > Technology
> > > > department, and a strong partner to Product teams. We needed someone
> > who
> > > > would thrive in our culture and be an inclusive collaborator with
> staff
> > > and
> > > > community. We agreed that Victoria met these requirements and then
> > some.
> > > >
> > > > Victoria has deep experience across consumer and enterprise
> technology
> > > > fields and is a longtime advocate for innovation in education and the
> > > > public sector. She has seen and done many things in her career, from
> > > > mobility platforms to connected devices to cyber security to web
> > services
> > > > at scale. She brings operational excellence in strategic long-term
> > > > planning, execution, delivery, and running large distributed teams.
> > > >
> > > > Most recently, Victoria served as Senior Vice President and Chief
> > > > Technology Officer for the Connected Home Division of Technicolor,
> > where
> > > > she was responsible for innovation strategy, product management,
> > > technology
> > > > roadmaps, and technical due diligence for acquisitions and
> > partnerships.
> > > > Previously, as Senior Vice President of Research and Development at
> > > Harman,
> > > > she led the core technology platforms of the Infotainment Division
> > > > including systems and software, media, tuner, navigation,
> connectivity,
> > > and
> > > > advanced driver assist systems. Before this, she served as Vice
> > > President,
> > > > Emerging Technologies at Nokia, Vice President, Software Engineering
> of
> > > > Hewlett-Packard’s webOS global business unit, and Vice President of
> > > > Samsung's Advanced Institute of Technology.
> > > >
> > > > Victoria also has deep familiarity with open source software
> > development,
> > > > having witnessed the rise of the Unix movement first as a student and
> > > later
> > > > as an instructor. She has been actively involved in the development
> of
> > > the
> > > > Linux-based LiMo (renamed 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Winning photos of Wiki Loves Monuments Bangladesh 2016

[Nurunnaby Hasive]

For the first time we arrange WLM in Bangladesh & we get huge response.
Hope next year we got more beautiful monuments picture.

-Hasive
Member, Organising Committee
WLM Bangladesh 2016

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Biyanto Rebin 
wrote:

> I love this picture, thank you Tanweer!
>
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A5%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%97%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BC%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%AA%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%9A%E0%A7%80%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%A0%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF.jpg
>
> 2016-11-04 0:38 GMT+07:00 Tanweer Morshed :
>
> > Deal all,
> >
> > We are very happy to announce the top 10 winning photos[1] of Wiki Loves
> > Monuments Bangladesh 2016. These 10 photos will compete in the
> > international stage of the competition.
> >
> > This was the first time Wiki Loves Monuments was organized in
> Bangladesh. A
> > total 7532 photographs of 452 archaeological sites and buildings were
> > uploaded. Congratulations to all the winners. And a big thanks to the
> > volunteers who were involved in organizing the competition.
> >
> > [1]
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_
> > Monuments_2016_in_Bangladesh/Winning_photos
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> > *Tanweer Morshed*
> > Member, Organizing Committee
> > Wiki Loves Monuments Bangladesh 2016
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] LGBT+ safety considerations for conference venues

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Not going to North Corolina is absolutely fine with me. We do not gain
anything by going there arguably not to any state in the United States.
What Wikimania is, is a platform for propaganda for what we have, what we
do, who we are and how we do what we do. In many countries Wikipedia is not
the house hold name it is in the USA.

Wikimania is not aimed for the English Wikipedia, it is aimed to further
our movement. Not going to places is similar to saying that those other
people, speaking other languages, with an other culture do not matter. They
do.

We should go to Russia, India, South Africa, China. The people of those
countries should matter to us, the people we could share the sum of all
knowledge with.

THAT is what we do, sharing the sum of all knowledge.

When the choice of the venue is only about being safe, we should not go to
the USA (I do not feel safe there), we should go to Germany, to Switzerland
and move the office as well. It is not likely to happen, not what I want
either.

If there is one thing about LBGT, it is that that struggle is still being
fought. Hiding and keeping away does not work. It does not help the LBGT
community. More importantly in this context it does not help the Wikimedia
community. For the latter it is vital to make our message heard.We aim to
share the sum of all knowledge and many people have not even heard of us.
Thank,
  GerardM

On 18 October 2016 at 16:00, Pax Ahimsa Gethen  wrote:

> Gerard, this isn't about "holiday destinations", it's about human rights
> and dignity. That's why I emphasized in my original post that I'm concerned
> not only about the safety of conference attendees, but also about those
> living in the host country. The choice of a venue in a location with a poor
> human rights record reflects poorly upon Wikipedia/Wikimedia and our
> mission to share knowledge. There's a reason a number of major companies
> pulled their events and funding out of North Carolina after the restrictive
> restroom laws were passed for example...
>
> - Pax
>
>
>
> On 10/18/16 6:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> For me safety is to a large extend secondary to what we aim to achieve.
>> Our
>> primary goal is to improve on our primary goal and it is "sharing in the
>> sum of all knowledge". It is not for going to the perfect holiday
>> destination.
>> Thanks,
>>   GerardM
>>
>> On 18 October 2016 at 13:56, Fæ  wrote:
>>
>> Gerard, could you provide some tangible examples of how other safety
>>> aspects of Wikimania would be compromised if there is any specific
>>> attention paid to the safety of LGBT+ Wikimedians? I cannot imagine
>>> how such a thing could be true.
>>>
>>> Based on my reading, nobody in this thread has asked for the safety of
>>> LGBT+ attendees to be "prioritized" over other safety aspects. Please
>>> don't make it appear as if they have.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Fae
>>>
>>> On 18 October 2016 at 11:42, Gerard Meijssen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hoi,
 I do care that everybody can come to places where they are safe. All the
 specific LGBT attention to safety is however on many levels problematic
 when we prioritise this over other safety aspects. The big picture for
 me
 is that we need to go to places where bringing Wikipedia and what it

>>> stands
>>>
 for the most good. It is why I would go to Russia, to China to India to
 South Africa.

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>>>
>>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] DEITYBOUNCE and reader logs (was Re: Introducing Victoria Coleman, WMF Chief Technology Officer)

[Thyge]

James Salsman wrote:

>
> If this does not imply that the logs are copied from Foundation
> servers, that is certainly advantageous over the apparent meaning
> of the language used.


Reading the links you provided, and Robert West's acknowledgements which
you did not link to, the above strikes me as being creation of drama as
opposed to asking a question assuming good faith. Since Robert West had
a Wikimedia Fellowship 1), I assume that he was able to analyze data from
Wikipedia directly and that no transfer data outside of the WMF has taken
place. I'm sure Leila Zia is able to clarify.

Regards,
Thyge - Sir48

1) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] DEITYBOUNCE and reader logs (was Re: Introducing Victoria Coleman, WMF Chief Technology Officer)

[James Salsman]

Leila Zia wrote:
>... we are not aware of any reader logs being shipped out of the
> WMF servers.

Page 20 of http://infolab.stanford.edu/~west1/pubs/West_Dissertation-2016.pdf
says, "We have access to Wikimedia’s full server logs, containing all
HTTP requests to Wikimedia projects." Page 19 indicates that this
information includes the "IP address, proxy information, and user agent."

At https://youtu.be/jQ0NPhT-fsE=25m40s Dr. West says, "we have
the complete ... server logs from Wikipedia ... about 14 terabytes of
raw logs per month."

If this does not imply that the logs are copied from Foundation
servers, that is certainly advantageous over the apparent meaning
of the language used. But I question whether recording the personally
identifying data in the first place is wise.

I understand that there are currently two other university research
laboratories which have similar access. Is that correct?

Would anyone in the Foundation have any way to know whether any
of the researchers with access are subject to National Security
Letters, a subpoena from a US or foreign law enforcement agency,
or blackmail, extortion, or bribery, for that matter?

Is creating the MD5 has described on page 19 of Dr. West's
dissertation after filtering bots from the user agents and discarding
the IP address before ever storing the log files to disk an
appropriate solution to this problem?

Should SHA-512 be used instead of MD5?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Winning photos of Wiki Loves Monuments Bangladesh 2016

[Biyanto Rebin]

I love this picture, thank you Tanweer!

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A5%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%97%E0%A6%A1%E0%A6%BC%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%AA%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%9A%E0%A7%80%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%A0%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF.jpg

2016-11-04 0:38 GMT+07:00 Tanweer Morshed :

> Deal all,
>
> We are very happy to announce the top 10 winning photos[1] of Wiki Loves
> Monuments Bangladesh 2016. These 10 photos will compete in the
> international stage of the competition.
>
> This was the first time Wiki Loves Monuments was organized in Bangladesh. A
> total 7532 photographs of 452 archaeological sites and buildings were
> uploaded. Congratulations to all the winners. And a big thanks to the
> volunteers who were involved in organizing the competition.
>
> [1]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_
> Monuments_2016_in_Bangladesh/Winning_photos
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
> *Tanweer Morshed*
> Member, Organizing Committee
> Wiki Loves Monuments Bangladesh 2016
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