[Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-26 Thread Romaine Wiki
Today I was reading in the (international) news about websites with
knowledge on the topic of climate change disappear from the internet as
result of the Trump administration. The second thing I read is that before
something can be published about this topic, the government needs to
approve this.

Do you realise what the right word for this is? censorship.
Even if it is only partially.

Luckily there are many scientists working on getting all the data abroad,
out of the US to ensure the research data is saved, including on servers in
the Netherlands where Trump (hopefully) has no reach.

In the past week I was reading about the Internet Archive organisation, who
is making a back up in Canada because of the Trump administration. I did
not understood this, you may call me naive, but now I do understand,
apparently they have some visionary people at the Internet Archive.

I miss a good answer to this situation from the Wikimedia Foundation.

Trump is now promoting harassment and disrespect, already for some time,

What signal is given to the rest of the world if an America based
organisation is spreading the thought of a harassment free Wikipedia and
the free word, while the president of the US is promoting harassment,
disrespect and censorship on a massive scale.

This is just the first week of this president!

I am 100% sure everyone in the Wikimedia movement is willing to make sure
Wikimedia faces no damage whatsoever, including in WMF, but to me this
still starts to get concerning.

If we as Wikimedia movement think that free knowledge, free speech, freedom
of information, etc are important, I would think that the location where
the organisation is based is that country where liberty is the largest, I
do not know where this is but it is definitely not the US.

To my impression WMF is stuck in the US, so I do not believe they would
actually move when the danger grows.

But I think it is possible to make sure risks are spread over the world.
Certainly as we are an international movement that intends to cover the
knowledge of the whole humanoid civilisation.

To come to a conclusion, I think WMF and the Wikimedia movement should
think about a back-up plan if it actually goes wrong.


If you do not agree with me: that is perfectly fine, that's your right and
should be protected.

Thank you.

Romaine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New tools: pronuncify and pronuncify.net

2017-01-26 Thread Asaf Bartov
Hello, everyone.

Following Bodhisattwa's request[1], I have added an upload feature to the
(command-line) Linux version of this tool, so it can now batch-upload the
recorded pronunciation files to Commons on your behalf.

(Ideally, it should have used OAuth, but that would take longer to
implement. :))

If you want to use the new functionality, just get the latest pronuncify.rb
script from GitHub[2], *install the new dependencies* (see the README.md
file on GitHub for instructions), and enjoy! :)

(I'd love to know if any of you are using the tool.)

Cheers,

   A.

[1] https://github.com/abartov/pronuncify/issues/1
[2] https://github.com/abartov/pronuncify

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:23 PM Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> Hello, everyone.
>
> (this is an announcement in my capacity as a volunteer.)
>
> Inspired by a lightning talk at the recent CEE Meeting[1] by our colleague
> Lars Aronsson, I made a little command-line tool to automate batch
> recording of pronunciations of words by native speakers, for uploading to
> Commons and integration into Wiktionary etc.  It is called *pronuncify*,
> is written in Ruby and uses the sox(1) tool, and should work on any modern
> Linux (and possibly OS X) machine.  It is available here[2], with
> instructions.
>
> I was then asked about a Windows version, and agreed to attempt one.  This
> version is called *pronuncify.net *, and is a .NET
> gooey GUI version of the same tool, with slightly different functions.  It
> is available here[3], with instructions.
>
> Both tools require word-list files in plaintext, with one word (or phrase)
> per line.  Both tools name the files according to the standard established
> in [[commons:Category:Pronunciation]], and convert them to Ogg Vorbis for
> you, so they are ready to upload.
>
> In the future, I may add OAuth-based direct uploading to Commons.  If you
> run into difficulties, please file issues on GitHub, for the appropriate
> tool.  Feedback is welcome.
>
>A.
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2015/Programme/Lightning/Pronunciation_recordings_for_Wiktionary
> [2] https://github.com/abartov/pronuncify
> [3] https://github.com/abartov/Pronuncify.net
> --
> Asaf Bartov
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation receives $500, 000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund to support a healthy and inclusive

2017-01-26 Thread Todd Allen
These are all very nice sentiments. But they're phrased in very vague ways.

Is there anywhere we can see the actual concrete plan for the use of these
funds?

Todd

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Samantha Lien  wrote:

> This press release is also available online here:
>  https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/
> Wikimedia_Foundation_receives_$500,000_from_the_Craig_
> Newmark_Foundation_and_craigslist_Charitable_Fund_to_
> support_a_healthy_and_inclusive_Wikimedia_community
> 
>
> And as a blog post on the Wikimedia blog here:
>
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/26/community-health-initiative-grant/
>
>
>
> Wikimedia Foundation receives $500,000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation
> and craigslist Charitable Fund to support a healthy and inclusive Wikimedia
> community
>
> Grant supports development of more advanced tools for volunteers and staff
> to reduce harassing behavior on Wikipedia and block harassers from the site
>
> SAN FRANCISCO — January 26, 2017 — Today, the Wikimedia Foundation
> announced the launch of a community health initiative to address harassment
> and toxic behavior on Wikipedia, with initial funding of US$500,000 from
> the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund. The two seed
> grants, each US$250,000, will support the development of tools for
> volunteer editors and staff to reduce harassment on Wikipedia and block
> harassers.
>
> Approximately 40% of internet users
> , and as many
> as 70% of younger users have personally experienced harassment online, with
> regional studies showing rates as high as 76%
> 
> for young women. While harassment differs across the internet, on Wikipedia
> and other Wikimedia projects, harassment has been shown to reduce
> participation on the sites. More than 50%
> 
> of people who reported experiencing harassment also reported decreasing
> their participation in the Wikimedia community.
>
> Volunteer editors on Wikipedia are often the first line of response for
> finding and addressing harassment on Wikipedia. "Trolling
> ," "doxxing
> ," and other menacing behaviors are
> burdens to Wikipedia's contributors, impeding their ability to do the
> writing and editing that makes Wikipedia so comprehensive and useful. This
> program seeks to respond to requests from editors over the years for better
> tools and support for responding to harassment and toxic behavior.
>
> “To ensure Wikipedia’s vitality, people of good will need to work together
> to prevent trolling, harassment and cyber-bullying from interfering with
> the common good,” said Craig Newmark, founder of craigslist. “To that end,
> I'm supporting the work of the Wikimedia Foundation towards the prevention
> of harassment.”
>
> The initiative is part of a commitment to community health at the
> Wikimedia Foundation, the non-profit organization that supports Wikipedia
> and the other Wikimedia projects, in collaboration with the global
> community of volunteer editors. In 2015, the Foundation published its first
> Harassment Survey
>  about
> the nature of the issue in order to identify key areas of concern. In
> November 2016, the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees issued a
> statement of support
> 
> calling for a more “proactive” approach to addressing harassment as a
> barrier to healthy, inclusive communities on Wikipedia.
>
> "If we want everyone to share in the sum of all knowledge, we need to make
> sure everyone feels welcome,” said Katherine Maher, Executive Director of
> the Wikimedia Foundation. “This grant supports a healthy culture for the
> volunteer editors of Wikipedia, so that more people can take part in
> sharing knowledge with the world."
>
> The generous funding from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist
> Charitable Fund will support the initial phase of a program
>  to
> strengthen existing tools and develop additional tools to more quickly
> identify potentially harassing behavior, and help volunteer administrators
> evaluate harassment reports and respond effectively. These improvements
> will be made in close collaboration with the Wikimedia community to
> evaluate, test, and give feedback on the 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-26 Thread Pine W
Speaking of communications, it would help if I would practice what I
preach. Let me reword one problematic sentence: "Perhaps this could be the
start of a "Community-WMF Communications office hour that could happen on a
quarterly basis." Sorry for the extra email to fix that.

I'm not sure that one hour would be sufficient, or about the frequency of
the meetings. Perhaps you and people who help you to plan these meetings
could have some conversations about that.

Pine


On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi Anna,
>
> Outside of the scope of this thread, I'd be glad to have a conversation
> about WMF-community communication in general. May I suggest making that a
> subject for an office hour at some future time? We'll likely need more than
> a single office hour to untangle all of the threads and make sure that
> everyone who wants to be heard is heard. A better time for me would be Q4.
> Perhaps this could be the start of a monthly "Community-WMF Communications
> office hour" that could happen on a quarterly basis. While I have too many
> other projects on my plate to also be a coordinator for these office hours,
> I do think that they could be very helpful if the conversations that they
> foster are used to implement changes that have significant backing from WMF
> managers who can actually make changes happen.
>
> Pine
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-26 Thread Pine W
Hi Anna,

Outside of the scope of this thread, I'd be glad to have a conversation
about WMF-community communication in general. May I suggest making that a
subject for an office hour at some future time? We'll likely need more than
a single office hour to untangle all of the threads and make sure that
everyone who wants to be heard is heard. A better time for me would be Q4.
Perhaps this could be the start of a monthly "Community-WMF Communications
office hour" that could happen on a quarterly basis. While I have too many
other projects on my plate to also be a coordinator for these office hours,
I do think that they could be very helpful if the conversations that they
foster are used to implement changes that have significant backing from WMF
managers who can actually make changes happen.

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-01-26 Thread Pine W
GorillaWarfare,

Thank you for the statement.

Perhaps you and your colleagues at Arbcom could explain your current
efforts against COI editing when evidence of such activity is brought to
your attention in private (in alignment with current ENWP Arbcom guidance),
and also what more you think could be done to address the problem.

I agree that harassment also is a problem, and I would not condone "false
flag" accusations of paid editing as an excuse to effectively dox another
editor.

At the same time, it seems to me that our current systems and resources for
addressing both COI editing and harassment are insufficient. WMF is working
on the harassment issue, both in SuSa and in Community Tech, and that work
may have some spillover benefits into the work that attempts to address COI
editing. I am wondering if you would agree with my previous comments to the
effect that WMF should also take a more active role in pursuing paid
editors, and enforcing financial penalties against them as a deterrent
against engaging in activity that violates the TOS and sucks up countless
hours of high-skill volunteer time in investigations and remediation.

Thanks,

Pine

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 11:45 AM, GorillaWarfare <
gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The Arbitration Committee has just published a response to this statement:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#
> Response_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_statement_on_paid_editing_and_outing
>
> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Jacob Rogers 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > As I mentioned in my email earlier this month, we've put together a
> longer
> > statement regarding paid editing and how we see the balance of the
> > communities' role and the role that WMF legal can play in these cases. We
> > tried to address the concerns that people have raised to us, and explain
> > when it's helpful to contact us to assist on a case. Of note, it does
> > explain what actions we can take even in cases that don't involve the WMF
> > trademarks.
> >
> > You can find it here: Wikimedia Foundation statement on paid editing and
> > outing
> >  Foundation_statement_on_paid_editing_and_outing>
> >
> > Best,
> > Jacob
> > --
> >
> > Jacob Rogers
> > Legal Counsel
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> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Additional information on community health initiative and next steps

2017-01-26 Thread Pine W
Thank you, Craig Newmark Foundation, Craigslist Charitable Fund, Community
Tech, SuSa, and Fundraising. I'm hopeful that your work will have lasting
and meaningful benefits in the Wikimedia community.

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Additional information on community health initiative and next steps

2017-01-26 Thread Craig Franklin
This is excellent news!  I am particularly excited by the idea of a better
suite of blocking tools, which will hopefully save admins from playing a
game of whack-a-mole with particularly tenacious vandals and harassers.

Cheers,
Craig

On 27 January 2017 at 06:37, Danny Horn  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> We have an update on the community health initiative mentioned following
> the Board's Statement on Healthy Community Culture, Inclusivity, and Safe
> Spaces.[1]
>
> As Patrick Earley from the Support and Safety team noted on Wikimedia-l
> last month[2], we’ve been developing a community health initiative to help
> address the harassment issues discussed in the Board's statement. We
> believe an important aspect of our efforts to combat harassment is
> providing the volunteer community with better tools to more effectively
> respond to instances of harassment as they arise.
>
> We’re excited to announce that the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist
> Charitable Fund have agreed to provide initial funding to help the
> Wikimedia Foundation begin this work. The two seed restricted grants,
> collectively a gift of $500,000, will enable the Foundation to scale up our
> support of these efforts and provide us with the resources to do it right.
>
> In preparing for this work, we’ve been discussing issues with the current
> tools and processes with active administrators and functionaries. These
> discussions have resulted in requested improvements in several key areas
> where admins and functionaries see immediate needs—better reporting systems
> for volunteers, smarter ways to detect and address problems early, and
> improved tools and workflows related to the blocking process.
>
> In the coming months, the Community Tech team, working with the Support and
> Safety team, will be expanding their work on development of these tools.
> The long-term goal for this effort is to build up the toolbox that
> volunteers can use to combat harassment and other disruptive behavior on
> our wikis.
>
> Specifically, there are four areas where we think new tools will help:
>
> 1. Detection - Improve our detection and prevention tools, like
> AbuseFilter, and build new features to detect aggressive behavior.
>
> 2. Reporting - Design ways to report harassment that are less chaotic, more
> respectful of privacy, and less stressful than the current workflow.
>
> 3. Evaluating - Offer admins tools that make evaluating harassment reports
> easier, so that they can make good decisions.
>
> 4. Blocking - When someone is blocked from the site, we can make it more
> difficult for them to return under a different name or IP address.
>
> Of course, these improvements need to be made with the participation and
> support of the volunteers who will be using the tools. We don't want to
> create new systems and workflows that create more work for an already
> overburdened team of wiki administrators. We want to make these tasks less
> grueling and able to more consistently produce effective outcomes.
>
> Work in other areas - such as project policies and better training for
> administrators and functionaries - still needs to be done in order to
> comprehensively tackle the overall issue of harassment and harmful behavior
> on the projects. However, we believe that improving and building better
> tools for volunteers currently most engaged in this effort is a necessary
> first step.
>
> We welcome your feedback on this approach, and invite you to join us in
> thanking Craig and his charitable organizations for their support of this
> initiative!
>
> We’ll be sharing regular updates about the progress of this work in the
> coming months. If you have any questions in the meantime, please reach out
> to us on the talk page of the Meta-Wiki page where you can find more
> information: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_health_initiative
>
> You can also find more details about this announcement in this blog post:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/26/community-health-initiative-grant
>
> Danny Horn (Product Manager, Community Tech) and Patrick Earley (Manager,
> Support & Safety)
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> Board_noticeboard/November_2016_-_Statement_on_Healthy_Community_Culture,_
> Inclusivity,_and_Safe_Spaces
>
> [2]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-
> December/085668.html
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-26 Thread Anna Stillwell
Rogol,

Good to hear from you.

"I am surprised by the notion that WMF middle management is in some way
answerable to the Community. I would have thought that was the least productive
form of engagement between the two sides."

Rogol, I'd like to hear more about what you mean here, specifically in this
instance. Then, would you be willing to generalize in categories: a
spectrum of the least productive forms of engagement between the
communities and WMF to the most productive forms of engagement?

"But doing planning better is a lesson for management to learn, not for the
Community."

Yes. Agreed. Though generally I would say that everybody should always be
learning on all sides of the fence, but I can't disagree with your
statement.

/a

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> I am surprised by the notion that WMF middle management is in some way
> answerable to the Community.  I would have thought that was the least
> productive form of engagement between the two sides.  The issue is what, if
> anything, will happen to the tools that the contributors want and need to
> carry on doing their work.  Wes Moran says that they will be delivered on
> schedule and I presume he is in a position to make that happen.
>
> It's disturbing to read that the failure of this team is attributed by
> Chris Koerner to planning.  But doing planning better is a lesson for
> management to learn, not for the Community.  It so happens that I have
> advocated for involving the Community in the planing more, earlier and at a
> higher level.  But I do not regard this setback as attributable to the
> Foundation's reluctance to do that.
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:18 AM, James Heilman  wrote:
>
> > I guess the question is was this a request for input on what the
> community
> > thinks of the Interactive Team or the strategy of the discovery team? Or
> > was it simply a "for your information", we have decided to do X, Y, and
> Z.
> > The first is much more preferable to the second, but it appears the
> second
> > was what was intended. We as Wikipedians, of course, while give you our
> > opinions on these decisions whether you request them or not :-)
> >
> > Now to be clear I am not requesting an official response. I am expressing
> > 1) my support for the work that the Interactive Team was carrying out. 2)
> > my great appreciation to Yuri for the years he has dedicated to the WM
> > movement. IMO him being let go is a great loss to our movement. People
> who
> > both understand tech and can explain tech to the non expert are few and
> far
> > between and Yuri was both. While I imagine and hope that he will continue
> > on as a volunteer, it is easy to get distracted by working to put food on
> > the table. Maybe another team within the WMF or within the Wikimedia
> > movement will pick him up.
> >
> > Best
> > James
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Anna Stillwell <
> astillw...@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Pete Forsyth 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Anna,
> > > >
> > > > I've now read what you quoted for a third time, and can confirm I did
> > > > understand, and agree with, what you said. I'm sorry my summary was
> > > > inadequate, and may have made it seem otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > As for planning, I am not making assumptions, but perhaps
> interpreting
> > > > differently from you. I'm happy to defer to Pine on the details;
> their
> > > > recent message captures the gist of what I intended.
> > > >
> > > > I can't give a solid estimate of the "half-life," but I do not think
> > the
> > > > enthusiasm I've seen (and the metrics I cited in my initial message
> on
> > > this
> > > > thread) constitute a passing crush. I do think a "pause" that
> > > necessitates
> > > > addressing uncertainty when discussing popular features can have a
> > > > significant impact, and therefore should be minimized to whatever
> > degree
> > > is
> > > > attainable. I could be wrong, but that's my belief.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Got it.  (I add color so I can see. I think I need better glasses.
> Sad!).
> > >
> > > >
> > > > As for the request for more time, I guess I'm just not sure what to
> > make
> > > > of it. I make no demands, and I'm not sure I've heard Pine, James,
> DJ,
> > or
> > > > anybody in this thread make demands. Is there somebody with standing
> to
> > > > grant such a request? I've heard it, and it makes sense. It's
> > worthwhile
> > > to
> > > > know that the team needs more time, and plans to share more on a
> scale
> > > that
> > > > sounds like days-to-weeks. But if there's something specific being
> > asked
> > > of
> > > > me (or others on this list), I'm not clear on what it is.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I was just asking whether you thought it was reasonable to give them
> the
> > > time that they asked for.  It wasn't a governance question, or a
> > discussion
> > > about authority. I 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-26 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I am surprised by the notion that WMF middle management is in some way
answerable to the Community.  I would have thought that was the least
productive form of engagement between the two sides.  The issue is what, if
anything, will happen to the tools that the contributors want and need to
carry on doing their work.  Wes Moran says that they will be delivered on
schedule and I presume he is in a position to make that happen.

It's disturbing to read that the failure of this team is attributed by
Chris Koerner to planning.  But doing planning better is a lesson for
management to learn, not for the Community.  It so happens that I have
advocated for involving the Community in the planing more, earlier and at a
higher level.  But I do not regard this setback as attributable to the
Foundation's reluctance to do that.

"Rogol"

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:18 AM, James Heilman  wrote:

> I guess the question is was this a request for input on what the community
> thinks of the Interactive Team or the strategy of the discovery team? Or
> was it simply a "for your information", we have decided to do X, Y, and Z.
> The first is much more preferable to the second, but it appears the second
> was what was intended. We as Wikipedians, of course, while give you our
> opinions on these decisions whether you request them or not :-)
>
> Now to be clear I am not requesting an official response. I am expressing
> 1) my support for the work that the Interactive Team was carrying out. 2)
> my great appreciation to Yuri for the years he has dedicated to the WM
> movement. IMO him being let go is a great loss to our movement. People who
> both understand tech and can explain tech to the non expert are few and far
> between and Yuri was both. While I imagine and hope that he will continue
> on as a volunteer, it is easy to get distracted by working to put food on
> the table. Maybe another team within the WMF or within the Wikimedia
> movement will pick him up.
>
> Best
> James
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Anna Stillwell 
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Pete Forsyth 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Anna,
> > >
> > > I've now read what you quoted for a third time, and can confirm I did
> > > understand, and agree with, what you said. I'm sorry my summary was
> > > inadequate, and may have made it seem otherwise.
> > >
> > > As for planning, I am not making assumptions, but perhaps interpreting
> > > differently from you. I'm happy to defer to Pine on the details; their
> > > recent message captures the gist of what I intended.
> > >
> > > I can't give a solid estimate of the "half-life," but I do not think
> the
> > > enthusiasm I've seen (and the metrics I cited in my initial message on
> > this
> > > thread) constitute a passing crush. I do think a "pause" that
> > necessitates
> > > addressing uncertainty when discussing popular features can have a
> > > significant impact, and therefore should be minimized to whatever
> degree
> > is
> > > attainable. I could be wrong, but that's my belief.
> > >
> >
> > Got it.  (I add color so I can see. I think I need better glasses. Sad!).
> >
> > >
> > > As for the request for more time, I guess I'm just not sure what to
> make
> > > of it. I make no demands, and I'm not sure I've heard Pine, James, DJ,
> or
> > > anybody in this thread make demands. Is there somebody with standing to
> > > grant such a request? I've heard it, and it makes sense. It's
> worthwhile
> > to
> > > know that the team needs more time, and plans to share more on a scale
> > that
> > > sounds like days-to-weeks. But if there's something specific being
> asked
> > of
> > > me (or others on this list), I'm not clear on what it is.
> > >
> >
> > I was just asking whether you thought it was reasonable to give them the
> > time that they asked for.  It wasn't a governance question, or a
> discussion
> > about authority. I was just asking if those who commented, who all seemed
> > to have legitimate concerns, were willing to have the team get back to
> them
> > with any answers that they could fairly, justly, respectfully and legally
> > provide, but more likely they would talk about the future work.
> >
> > In my mind I've been clear and consistent: "Hey, do you guys think it is
> > reasonable to give these guys some time?" But it seems like I've not made
> > this point clear. Would singing it at karaoke help?
> >
> > >
> > > I'd be happy to chat if you come back to it at the end of Q3, if you'd
> > > like.
> > >
> >
> > Thanks. I'll reach out.
> >
> > >
> > > -Pete
> > >
> > > [[User:Peteforsyth]]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 01/25/2017 06:38 PM, Anna Stillwell wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Pete Forsyth 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Anna,
> > >>>
> > >>> Pete,
> > >>
> > >> Your points are valid and well taken. If I may summarize what I think
> I
> > >>> heard, it's basically: "Getting things 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Additional information on community health initiative and next steps

2017-01-26 Thread Anna Stillwell
Beautiful.
I heart community tech.
/a

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Sydney Poore 
wrote:

> Hello Danny and Patrick,
>
> Thank you for the update and the great news about the new grant that will
> enable an accelerated time table to do the work around community health.
>
> And also thank you to Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist
> Charitable Fund for supporting this important work.
>
> Sydney
>
> Sydney Poore
> User:FloNight
> Co-founder Kentucky Wikimedians,
> Co-founder WikiWomen User Group,
> Co-founder WikiConference North America
> Board member of Wiki Project Med Foundation,
> Member of Simple Annual Plan Grant Committee
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Danny Horn  wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > We have an update on the community health initiative mentioned following
> > the Board's Statement on Healthy Community Culture, Inclusivity, and Safe
> > Spaces.[1]
> >
> > As Patrick Earley from the Support and Safety team noted on Wikimedia-l
> > last month[2], we’ve been developing a community health initiative to
> help
> > address the harassment issues discussed in the Board's statement. We
> > believe an important aspect of our efforts to combat harassment is
> > providing the volunteer community with better tools to more effectively
> > respond to instances of harassment as they arise.
> >
> > We’re excited to announce that the Craig Newmark Foundation and
> craigslist
> > Charitable Fund have agreed to provide initial funding to help the
> > Wikimedia Foundation begin this work. The two seed restricted grants,
> > collectively a gift of $500,000, will enable the Foundation to scale up
> our
> > support of these efforts and provide us with the resources to do it
> right.
> >
> > In preparing for this work, we’ve been discussing issues with the current
> > tools and processes with active administrators and functionaries. These
> > discussions have resulted in requested improvements in several key areas
> > where admins and functionaries see immediate needs—better reporting
> systems
> > for volunteers, smarter ways to detect and address problems early, and
> > improved tools and workflows related to the blocking process.
> >
> > In the coming months, the Community Tech team, working with the Support
> and
> > Safety team, will be expanding their work on development of these tools.
> > The long-term goal for this effort is to build up the toolbox that
> > volunteers can use to combat harassment and other disruptive behavior on
> > our wikis.
> >
> > Specifically, there are four areas where we think new tools will help:
> >
> > 1. Detection - Improve our detection and prevention tools, like
> > AbuseFilter, and build new features to detect aggressive behavior.
> >
> > 2. Reporting - Design ways to report harassment that are less chaotic,
> more
> > respectful of privacy, and less stressful than the current workflow.
> >
> > 3. Evaluating - Offer admins tools that make evaluating harassment
> reports
> > easier, so that they can make good decisions.
> >
> > 4. Blocking - When someone is blocked from the site, we can make it more
> > difficult for them to return under a different name or IP address.
> >
> > Of course, these improvements need to be made with the participation and
> > support of the volunteers who will be using the tools. We don't want to
> > create new systems and workflows that create more work for an already
> > overburdened team of wiki administrators. We want to make these tasks
> less
> > grueling and able to more consistently produce effective outcomes.
> >
> > Work in other areas - such as project policies and better training for
> > administrators and functionaries - still needs to be done in order to
> > comprehensively tackle the overall issue of harassment and harmful
> behavior
> > on the projects. However, we believe that improving and building better
> > tools for volunteers currently most engaged in this effort is a necessary
> > first step.
> >
> > We welcome your feedback on this approach, and invite you to join us in
> > thanking Craig and his charitable organizations for their support of this
> > initiative!
> >
> > We’ll be sharing regular updates about the progress of this work in the
> > coming months. If you have any questions in the meantime, please reach
> out
> > to us on the talk page of the Meta-Wiki page where you can find more
> > information: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_health_initiative
> >
> > You can also find more details about this announcement in this blog post:
> > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/26/community-health-initiative-grant
> >
> > Danny Horn (Product Manager, Community Tech) and Patrick Earley (Manager,
> > Support & Safety)
> >
> > [1]
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> > Board_noticeboard/November_2016_-_Statement_on_Healthy_
> Community_Culture,_
> > Inclusivity,_and_Safe_Spaces
> >
> > [2]
> > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Additional information on community health initiative and next steps

2017-01-26 Thread Sydney Poore
Hello Danny and Patrick,

Thank you for the update and the great news about the new grant that will
enable an accelerated time table to do the work around community health.

And also thank you to Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist
Charitable Fund for supporting this important work.

Sydney

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Co-founder Kentucky Wikimedians,
Co-founder WikiWomen User Group,
Co-founder WikiConference North America
Board member of Wiki Project Med Foundation,
Member of Simple Annual Plan Grant Committee





On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Danny Horn  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> We have an update on the community health initiative mentioned following
> the Board's Statement on Healthy Community Culture, Inclusivity, and Safe
> Spaces.[1]
>
> As Patrick Earley from the Support and Safety team noted on Wikimedia-l
> last month[2], we’ve been developing a community health initiative to help
> address the harassment issues discussed in the Board's statement. We
> believe an important aspect of our efforts to combat harassment is
> providing the volunteer community with better tools to more effectively
> respond to instances of harassment as they arise.
>
> We’re excited to announce that the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist
> Charitable Fund have agreed to provide initial funding to help the
> Wikimedia Foundation begin this work. The two seed restricted grants,
> collectively a gift of $500,000, will enable the Foundation to scale up our
> support of these efforts and provide us with the resources to do it right.
>
> In preparing for this work, we’ve been discussing issues with the current
> tools and processes with active administrators and functionaries. These
> discussions have resulted in requested improvements in several key areas
> where admins and functionaries see immediate needs—better reporting systems
> for volunteers, smarter ways to detect and address problems early, and
> improved tools and workflows related to the blocking process.
>
> In the coming months, the Community Tech team, working with the Support and
> Safety team, will be expanding their work on development of these tools.
> The long-term goal for this effort is to build up the toolbox that
> volunteers can use to combat harassment and other disruptive behavior on
> our wikis.
>
> Specifically, there are four areas where we think new tools will help:
>
> 1. Detection - Improve our detection and prevention tools, like
> AbuseFilter, and build new features to detect aggressive behavior.
>
> 2. Reporting - Design ways to report harassment that are less chaotic, more
> respectful of privacy, and less stressful than the current workflow.
>
> 3. Evaluating - Offer admins tools that make evaluating harassment reports
> easier, so that they can make good decisions.
>
> 4. Blocking - When someone is blocked from the site, we can make it more
> difficult for them to return under a different name or IP address.
>
> Of course, these improvements need to be made with the participation and
> support of the volunteers who will be using the tools. We don't want to
> create new systems and workflows that create more work for an already
> overburdened team of wiki administrators. We want to make these tasks less
> grueling and able to more consistently produce effective outcomes.
>
> Work in other areas - such as project policies and better training for
> administrators and functionaries - still needs to be done in order to
> comprehensively tackle the overall issue of harassment and harmful behavior
> on the projects. However, we believe that improving and building better
> tools for volunteers currently most engaged in this effort is a necessary
> first step.
>
> We welcome your feedback on this approach, and invite you to join us in
> thanking Craig and his charitable organizations for their support of this
> initiative!
>
> We’ll be sharing regular updates about the progress of this work in the
> coming months. If you have any questions in the meantime, please reach out
> to us on the talk page of the Meta-Wiki page where you can find more
> information: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_health_initiative
>
> You can also find more details about this announcement in this blog post:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/26/community-health-initiative-grant
>
> Danny Horn (Product Manager, Community Tech) and Patrick Earley (Manager,
> Support & Safety)
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> Board_noticeboard/November_2016_-_Statement_on_Healthy_Community_Culture,_
> Inclusivity,_and_Safe_Spaces
>
> [2]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-
> December/085668.html
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[Wikimedia-l] Additional information on community health initiative and next steps

2017-01-26 Thread Danny Horn
Hello,

We have an update on the community health initiative mentioned following
the Board's Statement on Healthy Community Culture, Inclusivity, and Safe
Spaces.[1]

As Patrick Earley from the Support and Safety team noted on Wikimedia-l
last month[2], we’ve been developing a community health initiative to help
address the harassment issues discussed in the Board's statement. We
believe an important aspect of our efforts to combat harassment is
providing the volunteer community with better tools to more effectively
respond to instances of harassment as they arise.

We’re excited to announce that the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist
Charitable Fund have agreed to provide initial funding to help the
Wikimedia Foundation begin this work. The two seed restricted grants,
collectively a gift of $500,000, will enable the Foundation to scale up our
support of these efforts and provide us with the resources to do it right.

In preparing for this work, we’ve been discussing issues with the current
tools and processes with active administrators and functionaries. These
discussions have resulted in requested improvements in several key areas
where admins and functionaries see immediate needs—better reporting systems
for volunteers, smarter ways to detect and address problems early, and
improved tools and workflows related to the blocking process.

In the coming months, the Community Tech team, working with the Support and
Safety team, will be expanding their work on development of these tools.
The long-term goal for this effort is to build up the toolbox that
volunteers can use to combat harassment and other disruptive behavior on
our wikis.

Specifically, there are four areas where we think new tools will help:

1. Detection - Improve our detection and prevention tools, like
AbuseFilter, and build new features to detect aggressive behavior.

2. Reporting - Design ways to report harassment that are less chaotic, more
respectful of privacy, and less stressful than the current workflow.

3. Evaluating - Offer admins tools that make evaluating harassment reports
easier, so that they can make good decisions.

4. Blocking - When someone is blocked from the site, we can make it more
difficult for them to return under a different name or IP address.

Of course, these improvements need to be made with the participation and
support of the volunteers who will be using the tools. We don't want to
create new systems and workflows that create more work for an already
overburdened team of wiki administrators. We want to make these tasks less
grueling and able to more consistently produce effective outcomes.

Work in other areas - such as project policies and better training for
administrators and functionaries - still needs to be done in order to
comprehensively tackle the overall issue of harassment and harmful behavior
on the projects. However, we believe that improving and building better
tools for volunteers currently most engaged in this effort is a necessary
first step.

We welcome your feedback on this approach, and invite you to join us in
thanking Craig and his charitable organizations for their support of this
initiative!

We’ll be sharing regular updates about the progress of this work in the
coming months. If you have any questions in the meantime, please reach out
to us on the talk page of the Meta-Wiki page where you can find more
information: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_health_initiative

You can also find more details about this announcement in this blog post:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/26/community-health-initiative-grant

Danny Horn (Product Manager, Community Tech) and Patrick Earley (Manager,
Support & Safety)

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/November_2016_-_Statement_on_Healthy_Community_Culture,_Inclusivity,_and_Safe_Spaces

[2]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-December/085668.html
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-01-26 Thread Jytdog temp
I just want to note that the question i raised here was about what WMF itself 
was doing about paid editing. 

I was unhappy to see so much in that statement about what the community 
can/should do.  

I agree with the Arbcom statement that while it is good that Legal noted that 
its comments about en-wiki were advisory only, the statement fails to deal 
adequately with OUTING in en-wiki.  The issue is not easy and to be frank the 
content in the statement about that was disappointingly not carefully 
thought-through.  The objections were very easy to foresee.  

I hope legal will revise it.

On Jan 26, 2017, at 2:45 PM, GorillaWarfare  
wrote:

The Arbitration Committee has just published a response to this statement:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Response_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_statement_on_paid_editing_and_outing

– Molly (GorillaWarfare)

> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Jacob Rogers  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As I mentioned in my email earlier this month, we've put together a longer
> statement regarding paid editing and how we see the balance of the
> communities' role and the role that WMF legal can play in these cases. We
> tried to address the concerns that people have raised to us, and explain
> when it's helpful to contact us to assist on a case. Of note, it does
> explain what actions we can take even in cases that don't involve the WMF
> trademarks.
> 
> You can find it here: Wikimedia Foundation statement on paid editing and
> outing
> 
> 
> Best,
> Jacob
> --
> 
> Jacob Rogers
> Legal Counsel
> Wikimedia Foundation
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-01-26 Thread GorillaWarfare
The Arbitration Committee has just published a response to this statement:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Response_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_statement_on_paid_editing_and_outing

– Molly (GorillaWarfare)

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Jacob Rogers  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As I mentioned in my email earlier this month, we've put together a longer
> statement regarding paid editing and how we see the balance of the
> communities' role and the role that WMF legal can play in these cases. We
> tried to address the concerns that people have raised to us, and explain
> when it's helpful to contact us to assist on a case. Of note, it does
> explain what actions we can take even in cases that don't involve the WMF
> trademarks.
>
> You can find it here: Wikimedia Foundation statement on paid editing and
> outing
> 
>
> Best,
> Jacob
> --
>
> Jacob Rogers
> Legal Counsel
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-01-26 Thread James Heilman
I guess the question is was this a request for input on what the community
thinks of the Interactive Team or the strategy of the discovery team? Or
was it simply a "for your information", we have decided to do X, Y, and Z.
The first is much more preferable to the second, but it appears the second
was what was intended. We as Wikipedians, of course, while give you our
opinions on these decisions whether you request them or not :-)

Now to be clear I am not requesting an official response. I am expressing
1) my support for the work that the Interactive Team was carrying out. 2)
my great appreciation to Yuri for the years he has dedicated to the WM
movement. IMO him being let go is a great loss to our movement. People who
both understand tech and can explain tech to the non expert are few and far
between and Yuri was both. While I imagine and hope that he will continue
on as a volunteer, it is easy to get distracted by working to put food on
the table. Maybe another team within the WMF or within the Wikimedia
movement will pick him up.

Best
James

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Anna Stillwell 
wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Pete Forsyth 
> wrote:
>
> > Anna,
> >
> > I've now read what you quoted for a third time, and can confirm I did
> > understand, and agree with, what you said. I'm sorry my summary was
> > inadequate, and may have made it seem otherwise.
> >
> > As for planning, I am not making assumptions, but perhaps interpreting
> > differently from you. I'm happy to defer to Pine on the details; their
> > recent message captures the gist of what I intended.
> >
> > I can't give a solid estimate of the "half-life," but I do not think the
> > enthusiasm I've seen (and the metrics I cited in my initial message on
> this
> > thread) constitute a passing crush. I do think a "pause" that
> necessitates
> > addressing uncertainty when discussing popular features can have a
> > significant impact, and therefore should be minimized to whatever degree
> is
> > attainable. I could be wrong, but that's my belief.
> >
>
> Got it.  (I add color so I can see. I think I need better glasses. Sad!).
>
> >
> > As for the request for more time, I guess I'm just not sure what to make
> > of it. I make no demands, and I'm not sure I've heard Pine, James, DJ, or
> > anybody in this thread make demands. Is there somebody with standing to
> > grant such a request? I've heard it, and it makes sense. It's worthwhile
> to
> > know that the team needs more time, and plans to share more on a scale
> that
> > sounds like days-to-weeks. But if there's something specific being asked
> of
> > me (or others on this list), I'm not clear on what it is.
> >
>
> I was just asking whether you thought it was reasonable to give them the
> time that they asked for.  It wasn't a governance question, or a discussion
> about authority. I was just asking if those who commented, who all seemed
> to have legitimate concerns, were willing to have the team get back to them
> with any answers that they could fairly, justly, respectfully and legally
> provide, but more likely they would talk about the future work.
>
> In my mind I've been clear and consistent: "Hey, do you guys think it is
> reasonable to give these guys some time?" But it seems like I've not made
> this point clear. Would singing it at karaoke help?
>
> >
> > I'd be happy to chat if you come back to it at the end of Q3, if you'd
> > like.
> >
>
> Thanks. I'll reach out.
>
> >
> > -Pete
> >
> > [[User:Peteforsyth]]
> >
> >
> >
> > On 01/25/2017 06:38 PM, Anna Stillwell wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Pete Forsyth 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Anna,
> >>>
> >>> Pete,
> >>
> >> Your points are valid and well taken. If I may summarize what I think I
> >>> heard, it's basically: "Getting things right can be hard, and if full
> >>> preparations weren't made ahead of time, thorough answers may not be
> >>> readily available. Be compassionate/patient." Is that about right?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I appreciate that you are trying to understand what I mean. Thanks.
> >>
> >> No, I didn’t say getting things right can be hard. I said, “This
> >> communication thing is hard, especially when people are involved.
> >> Sometimes
> >> there are laws that constrain what we say. Sometimes we don’t know
> whether
> >> we are right yet and we need a further unpacking of the facts. The truth
> >> is
> >> that there can be a whole host of reasons for partial communication that
> >> aren’t related to competence or the intent to deceive.”
> >>
> >> As for the preparations, it seems that a lot of assumptions are being
> >> made.
> >> As for thorough answers, some might already be known and others known
> once
> >> more planning is completed. However, it could be that the explanations
> you
> >> want are not legal to share. There are many issues where employment law
> >> and
> >> worker protections are crystal clear, as they