Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about senior leadership of WMF's Talent & Culture team

2017-02-08 Thread shola ishola
Thank you Katherine for the e-introduction of Joady Lohr and Anna
Stillwell for the amazing works.

Kudos!!!

Olaniyan Olushola
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Phone: 2348154876844;2348167352512
 

On Thursday, February 9, 2017 2:57 AM, Katherine Maher 
 wrote:
 

 Hi everyone,

I’m delighted today to share some news about the leadership of the
Foundation’s Talent & Culture (HR) department. Joady Lohr and Anna
Stillwell, the T team’s current senior leaders, will be assuming
permanent senior leadership roles within the T team.

As many Wikimedia Foundation staff know well, we have a Talent & Culture
team that brings everything they’ve got to supporting the organization and
each other. Over the past few years, they dug in, offered staff critical
support through transition, and have given our colleagues the resources and
structure we need to come together around our values and build a stronger,
better, more inclusive culture.

They’re a team that is far from ordinary - and it makes sense that their
leadership, and its structure - would reflect that. Anyone who has worked
with Joady and Anna recognize they are two sides of the same coin: they’re
deeply passionate about their work, have highly complementary skills and
experience, and they put the needs of the Foundation first. They’re a team
that shares strengths, shares accountability, and shares vision. We want to
celebrate this leadership and relationship with roles that make the most of
their strengths, in service to the organization and mission.

*I’ve asked Joady Lohr to be our Chief Talent & Culture Officer. *

In this capacity, Joady will lead the T department. She’ll be responsible
for developing a strong, diverse team, with the capacity and clarity they
need to thrive. She’ll work at the executive team level to advance a clear
and comprehensive vision for how we serve and support employees throughout
their time with the Foundation. She’ll work closely with Anna (more on that
below) to ensure our culture and philosophy are incorporated in our staff
policies, procedures, and programs. Her full job description is below.

As many of you know, Joady is already handling many aspects of this role.
Over the course of her five years with the Foundation, she has been
committed to consistently improving and developing systems, structures, and
consistency for everyone in the organization. She led the charge on opening
up our compensation bands and our EEO (diversity) data for increased
transparency.  She’s made hard calls and handled tricky situations with
grace, respect, and empathy.  She has pushed for leading-edge parental
leave, vacation, and sick time, including our experiments with remoting and
relaxing. She drove the case for upgrading our internal systems to support
these benefits. And she’s been acting as our interim lead for T for a
long while now, in official and unofficial ways.

*I’ve asked Anna Stillwell to take on a new role, which we’ve worked
together to define and name. *

She’ll be working across the organization to collaboratively build our
culture and organization for the future. She’ll be a strategic partner to
departments and the executive team, with leadership on recruiting
high-level roles, developing our internal leaders, and acting as an
ambassador and catalyst for the Wikimedia Foundation as a cultural leader
and employer. She’ll remain in the T reporting structure, working closely
with Joady, and stepping in as T department leadership when necessary.
What’s the title? VP didn’t quite capture what we were looking for, so we
went abroad (and to the wikis) for inspiration. We’re calling it: Chargée
d’Affaires (VP), and hope it will provoke conversation. Her full job
description is below.

Many staff members will remember the cheers that went up across the
organization when Anna rejoined the T team earlier this year. Anna joined
the Foundation three and a half years ago, and quickly became a defender
and champion of its values. This isn’t purely figurative -- 110 people
participated in the recent org-wide values process that Anna drove (you’ll
hear more about the outcomes at this month’s metrics meeting). Anna has
been working with the executive team to help us clarify our own
expectations around leadership and responsibility, encouraging us to
stretch our own areas of comfort. And she’s been invaluable behind the
scenes in bringing in highly qualified leaders to our work, successfully
recruiting for the Endowment Board and working with the Board of Trustees
to identify new candidates for the appointed Trustee seats, alongside
Michelle Paulson.

I am thrilled to recognize Joady and Anna’s commitment and capacity with
these new roles. They were unanimously the choice of the CTCO search panel,
and 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] List management

2017-02-08 Thread Alessandro Marchetti
Hi,is there a link where a generic subscriber can find a ("decently" updated) 
list of sysops? in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration 
I find no specific information about that. Is this on purpose?
Also how can we know what are their "usual time zones" if we want a profile to 
apply to fit a gap? I mean, can you give us a disaggregated analysis, such as 
"currently two are UTC+1, two are UTC-6 and one is UTC+2". Just curious.  

Il Giovedì 9 Febbraio 2017 6:26, Pine W  ha scritto:
 

 I regret seeing THO fade away. I found him to be likable, polite, and
competent.

I think well of Shani, and as she already has some experience with
moderation duties, I would like to second her (self-)nomination.

Pine


On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Austin Hair  wrote:

> We've just had a bit of turnover of our list administrators. In order
> to get moderation going smoothly again, I've added Asaf Bartov as an
> admin. I don't think that decision will be controversial.
>
> Richard has resigned for his own reasons, after putting in more than
> his fair share of work here. Thehelpfulone has been removed following
> a prolonged silence.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] List management

2017-02-08 Thread Austin Hair
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Joseph Fox  wrote:
> Thehelpfulone hasn't died. :) He's been hugely busy in real life, is all.

Please don't take my factual statement (sorry, law student) to be
throwing shade on THO. He's a great guy, and I understand that of late
he hasn't had the time to commit to this particular job.

Austin

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] List management

2017-02-08 Thread Joseph Fox
Thehelpfulone hasn't died. :) He's been hugely busy in real life, is all.

Joe.

On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 at 21:25 Pine W  wrote:

> I regret seeing THO fade away. I found him to be likable, polite, and
> competent.
>
> I think well of Shani, and as she already has some experience with
> moderation duties, I would like to second her (self-)nomination.
>
> Pine
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Austin Hair  wrote:
>
> > We've just had a bit of turnover of our list administrators. In order
> > to get moderation going smoothly again, I've added Asaf Bartov as an
> > admin. I don't think that decision will be controversial.
> >
> > Richard has resigned for his own reasons, after putting in more than
> > his fair share of work here. Thehelpfulone has been removed following
> > a prolonged silence.
> >
> > I would like a third active moderator. You can volunteer on this
> > thread, or send a message to wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org.
> > This should be No Big Deal, and while there are technically no
> > requirements, getting the reference is a bonus.
> >
> > Austin
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] List management

2017-02-08 Thread Pine W
I regret seeing THO fade away. I found him to be likable, polite, and
competent.

I think well of Shani, and as she already has some experience with
moderation duties, I would like to second her (self-)nomination.

Pine


On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Austin Hair  wrote:

> We've just had a bit of turnover of our list administrators. In order
> to get moderation going smoothly again, I've added Asaf Bartov as an
> admin. I don't think that decision will be controversial.
>
> Richard has resigned for his own reasons, after putting in more than
> his fair share of work here. Thehelpfulone has been removed following
> a prolonged silence.
>
> I would like a third active moderator. You can volunteer on this
> thread, or send a message to wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org.
> This should be No Big Deal, and while there are technically no
> requirements, getting the reference is a bonus.
>
> Austin
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[Wikimedia-l] Announcement about senior leadership of WMF's Talent & Culture team

2017-02-08 Thread Katherine Maher
Hi everyone,

I’m delighted today to share some news about the leadership of the
Foundation’s Talent & Culture (HR) department. Joady Lohr and Anna
Stillwell, the T team’s current senior leaders, will be assuming
permanent senior leadership roles within the T team.

As many Wikimedia Foundation staff know well, we have a Talent & Culture
team that brings everything they’ve got to supporting the organization and
each other. Over the past few years, they dug in, offered staff critical
support through transition, and have given our colleagues the resources and
structure we need to come together around our values and build a stronger,
better, more inclusive culture.

They’re a team that is far from ordinary - and it makes sense that their
leadership, and its structure - would reflect that. Anyone who has worked
with Joady and Anna recognize they are two sides of the same coin: they’re
deeply passionate about their work, have highly complementary skills and
experience, and they put the needs of the Foundation first. They’re a team
that shares strengths, shares accountability, and shares vision. We want to
celebrate this leadership and relationship with roles that make the most of
their strengths, in service to the organization and mission.

*I’ve asked Joady Lohr to be our Chief Talent & Culture Officer. *

In this capacity, Joady will lead the T department. She’ll be responsible
for developing a strong, diverse team, with the capacity and clarity they
need to thrive. She’ll work at the executive team level to advance a clear
and comprehensive vision for how we serve and support employees throughout
their time with the Foundation. She’ll work closely with Anna (more on that
below) to ensure our culture and philosophy are incorporated in our staff
policies, procedures, and programs. Her full job description is below.

As many of you know, Joady is already handling many aspects of this role.
Over the course of her five years with the Foundation, she has been
committed to consistently improving and developing systems, structures, and
consistency for everyone in the organization. She led the charge on opening
up our compensation bands and our EEO (diversity) data for increased
transparency.  She’s made hard calls and handled tricky situations with
grace, respect, and empathy.  She has pushed for leading-edge parental
leave, vacation, and sick time, including our experiments with remoting and
relaxing. She drove the case for upgrading our internal systems to support
these benefits. And she’s been acting as our interim lead for T for a
long while now, in official and unofficial ways.

*I’ve asked Anna Stillwell to take on a new role, which we’ve worked
together to define and name. *

She’ll be working across the organization to collaboratively build our
culture and organization for the future. She’ll be a strategic partner to
departments and the executive team, with leadership on recruiting
high-level roles, developing our internal leaders, and acting as an
ambassador and catalyst for the Wikimedia Foundation as a cultural leader
and employer. She’ll remain in the T reporting structure, working closely
with Joady, and stepping in as T department leadership when necessary.
What’s the title? VP didn’t quite capture what we were looking for, so we
went abroad (and to the wikis) for inspiration. We’re calling it: Chargée
d’Affaires (VP), and hope it will provoke conversation. Her full job
description is below.

Many staff members will remember the cheers that went up across the
organization when Anna rejoined the T team earlier this year. Anna joined
the Foundation three and a half years ago, and quickly became a defender
and champion of its values. This isn’t purely figurative -- 110 people
participated in the recent org-wide values process that Anna drove (you’ll
hear more about the outcomes at this month’s metrics meeting). Anna has
been working with the executive team to help us clarify our own
expectations around leadership and responsibility, encouraging us to
stretch our own areas of comfort. And she’s been invaluable behind the
scenes in bringing in highly qualified leaders to our work, successfully
recruiting for the Endowment Board and working with the Board of Trustees
to identify new candidates for the appointed Trustee seats, alongside
Michelle Paulson.

I am thrilled to recognize Joady and Anna’s commitment and capacity with
these new roles. They were unanimously the choice of the CTCO search panel,
and they have my full support and that of the executive team. I am grateful
for their collaborative and creative approach to leadership, and for their
partnership in developing roles that recognize their strengths. I’m looking
forward of many years of collaboration and creativity to come.

I want to thank the CTCO review panel, including Amy Elder and Liz Verlade
as coordinators,  Elena Goliy, Lisa Gruwell, Katie Horn, Ryan Kaldari,
Angel Lewis, Toby Negrin, Joseph Seddon, and Kathleen Yazbak of Viewcrest

Re: [Wikimedia-l] List management

2017-02-08 Thread Wayne Calhoon
Hi, Austin. Is the position reactive or is it proactive? 

What is the average time investment per month? 

* "A student rescued from juvenile hall by a counselor and his English teacher 
must learn to trust his new friends."

Cheers! Wayne Calhoon 
{{u|Checkingfax}}

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:20 AM, Austin Hair  wrote:

> We've just had a bit of turnover of our list administrators. 
>
> I would like a third active moderator. You can volunteer on this
> thread, or send a message to wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org.
> This should be No Big Deal, and while there are technically no
> requirements, getting the reference is a bonus.
>
> Austin
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] List management

2017-02-08 Thread Shani Evenstein
I can do it if necessary.

Shani.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:20 AM, Austin Hair  wrote:

> We've just had a bit of turnover of our list administrators. In order
> to get moderation going smoothly again, I've added Asaf Bartov as an
> admin. I don't think that decision will be controversial.
>
> Richard has resigned for his own reasons, after putting in more than
> his fair share of work here. Thehelpfulone has been removed following
> a prolonged silence.
>
> I would like a third active moderator. You can volunteer on this
> thread, or send a message to wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org.
> This should be No Big Deal, and while there are technically no
> requirements, getting the reference is a bonus.
>
> Austin
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[Wikimedia-l] List management

2017-02-08 Thread Austin Hair
We've just had a bit of turnover of our list administrators. In order
to get moderation going smoothly again, I've added Asaf Bartov as an
admin. I don't think that decision will be controversial.

Richard has resigned for his own reasons, after putting in more than
his fair share of work here. Thehelpfulone has been removed following
a prolonged silence.

I would like a third active moderator. You can volunteer on this
thread, or send a message to wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org.
This should be No Big Deal, and while there are technically no
requirements, getting the reference is a bonus.

Austin

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[Wikimedia-l] Invitation to participate at Wiki Loves Earth 2017

2017-02-08 Thread Nikola Kalchev
Dear Wikimedia colleagues,

After four wonderful editions of Wiki Loves Earth resulting in over 300,000
new photos on Commons, we are happy to invite you to the 5th edition of
Wiki Loves Earth international photo contest –
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2017

As a reminder, Wiki Loves Earth is focused on natural heritage (protected
natural areas of all possible types) in different countries. Like Wiki
Loves Monuments, the contest is organised in a federative way – meaning
that it depends only on YOU and your affiliate/group if the contest will
take place in your country.

Last year we had 26 participating countries organising local contests. In
addition, owing to partnership with UNESCO we had a special nomination for
photos of biosphere reserves all over the world, getting photos from 27
other countries, such as Argentina, Canada, Indonesia, Italy, South Africa
and many others. This shows that photographers around the world have a
great enthusiasm about Wiki Loves Earth – so we hope to see many of you
organising a local contest in your country this year!

In order to join please add your country on the contest page:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2017

You can learn more on how to organise a contest in your country (it’s not
that difficult!) here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2017/Organise

If you want to participate or are interested but not sure, we would like to
hear your say:

   -

   Please tell us what kind of assistance you would like to get from the
   international team! Just email us at wle-t...@wikimedia.org.ua to tell
   what you need to start in your country
   -

   To avoid eternal dissatisfaction with jury tools, we have set up a page
   with an action plan:
   https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2017/Jury_tools.
   Please share your thoughts about it on the talk page!
   -

   Finally, you can subscribe to our mailing lists at
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   wikilovesea...@lists.wikimedia.org) to get our updates.


We hope to see many new participants in Wiki Loves Earth this year and we
are happy to help you if you have any questions.

Best regards,

Nikola / User:Lord Bumbury

On behalf of the Wiki Loves Earth international team
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Delphine Ménard
Hello Rover,

I want to thank you and your team for so much work, and so much great work.
This decision was difficult for everyone, and I am glad to see that it has
come to a conclusion. I think it's important to know how to pause and
breathe deeply sometimes. I am looking forward to seeing more work from
Hong Kong, in an easier environement.

Best regards,

Delphine

On 8 February 2017 at 12:48, Wong Rover  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On behalf of WMHK, I would like to say something.
>
> Some may think it is pity that WMHK has been de-recognized. But the board
> of WMHK has actually already decided to disband the chapter.
>
> Although WMHK will cease to exist, I still hope the other chapters will
> continue to try their best in the Wikimedia movement.
>
> Regards,
> Rover Wong
> the last president of Wikimedia Hong Kong
>
> 2017年2月8日 下午7:10 於 "James Heilman"  寫道:
>
> > Thanks Kirill
> >
> > In my opinion this is reasonable. We need to have criteria for what
> > affiliation with the movement means and what it requires from those
> > affiliated. If the requirements are consistently not met than removing
> > official affiliation until it is is simply common practice.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Kirill Lokshin  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> > > organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> > > group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
> Wikimedia
> > > mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards
> > set
> > > forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has
> > > been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia
> movement
> > > affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued
> > > recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the
> > > Wikimedia movement.
> > >
> > > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their
> > suspension
> > > as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with
> > reporting
> > > requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and
> > deadlines
> > > in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The
> > chapter
> > > failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016, and
> > was
> > > consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a
> > > Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on
> > > February 1, 2017.
> > >
> > > If you have questions about what this means for the community members
> in
> > > Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put
> > > together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_
> > > affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ
> > > .
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kirill Lokshin
> > > Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you for your service, Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Delphine Ménard
Hi Vito,

yes it can. Basically, while there is space for just one chapter per
country, if another group forms and decides to take up the role of
Wikimedia HK, they can apply to be a chapter, since there is no chapter
recognized any more. This happened with Wikimedia UK
, where the first iteration of
the chapter was dissolved, and a second was then recognized as the official
chapter.

Best,

Delphine

On 8 February 2017 at 16:20, Vi to  wrote:

> Just a question: can a former chapter reapply for recognition?
>
> Vito
>
> 2017-02-08 16:13 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk :
>
> > As the chapter status of Wikimedia Hong Kong has come to an end, I would
> > like to thank the volunteers at Wikimedia Hong Kong for their incredible
> > work over the past years. It is easy to start discussions about the
> > validity of the decision, or to play a blame game - but lets at least
> agree
> > some pretty cool stuff has been done over the past years.
> >
> > Most of us will remember the Wikimania conference that was organized in
> > Hong Kong in 2013 - an amazing conference with an incredible amount of
> > volunteers that were collected from all over society to help welcome
> these
> > Wikipedians. Especially in their earliest years, I believe that Wikimedia
> > HK was active in supporting other Asian chapters to collaborate better
> and
> > grow.
> >
> > Thank you, Wikimedians from Hong Kong, for your service! You have helped
> > the Wikimedia movement in Hong Kong a lot over the past years, and I hope
> > that we will still hear a lot from you in this new phase. The end of the
> > organization will hopefully not mean the end of your impactful work.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > 2017-02-08 12:48 GMT+01:00 Wong Rover :
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > On behalf of WMHK, I would like to say something.
> > >
> > > Some may think it is pity that WMHK has been de-recognized. But the
> board
> > > of WMHK has actually already decided to disband the chapter.
> > >
> > > Although WMHK will cease to exist, I still hope the other chapters will
> > > continue to try their best in the Wikimedia movement.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Rover Wong
> > > the last president of Wikimedia Hong Kong
> > >
> > > 2017年2月8日 下午7:10 於 "James Heilman"  寫道:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Kirill
> > > >
> > > > In my opinion this is reasonable. We need to have criteria for what
> > > > affiliation with the movement means and what it requires from those
> > > > affiliated. If the requirements are consistently not met than
> removing
> > > > official affiliation until it is is simply common practice.
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Kirill Lokshin <
> > kirill.loks...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> > > > > organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an
> > independent
> > > > > group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > > mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance
> > standards
> > > > set
> > > > > forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol
> > has
> > > > > been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia
> > > movement
> > > > > affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their
> > continued
> > > > > recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to
> the
> > > > > Wikimedia movement.
> > > > >
> > > > > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their
> > > > suspension
> > > > > as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with
> > > > reporting
> > > > > requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and
> > > > deadlines
> > > > > in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The
> > > > chapter
> > > > > failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016,
> > and
> > > > was
> > > > > consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a
> > > > > Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement
> on
> > > > > February 1, 2017.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have questions about what this means for the community
> members
> > > in
> > > > > Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have
> put
> > > > > together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
> > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_
> > > > > affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ
> > > > > .
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Kirill Lokshin
> > > > > Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee
> > > > > ___
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> https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l
> > > > > New 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you for your service, Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Shabab Mustafa
Personally, I am a big believer of a John Wooden quote, "Failure isn't
fatal, but failure to change might be". So, all the best to the Wikimedians
of Hong Kong. Thank you very much for all the good works that you have done
in past. I am sure that you will stack all the odds in your favors and come
back with something better.

Best wishes.

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On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 9:25 PM, Manuel Schneider <
manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch> wrote:

> Thanks Lodewijk for bringing this up and thanks a lot to Wikimedia Hong
> Kong.
>
> I have been in touch with WMHK and Wikimedians in Hong Kong since their
> application for Wikimania and have been at Wikimania and it was great.
> There has also been some other activities and efforts which we must
> acknowledge and we should appreciate all that has been done towards our
> common goals, even or especially as some things - like running the
> chapter - did not work out. That is not a failure as many other great
> things have happened.
>
> /Manuel
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you for your service, Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Manuel Schneider
Thanks Lodewijk for bringing this up and thanks a lot to Wikimedia Hong
Kong.

I have been in touch with WMHK and Wikimedians in Hong Kong since their
application for Wikimania and have been at Wikimania and it was great.
There has also been some other activities and efforts which we must
acknowledge and we should appreciate all that has been done towards our
common goals, even or especially as some things - like running the
chapter - did not work out. That is not a failure as many other great
things have happened.

/Manuel

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Chris Keating
Thanks to everyone who's participated in WMHK and in particular everyone
involved in Wikimania 2013! Thank you for your efforts and best wishes to
those aiming to move things forwards again.



On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Wong Rover  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On behalf of WMHK, I would like to say something.
>
> Some may think it is pity that WMHK has been de-recognized. But the board
> of WMHK has actually already decided to disband the chapter.
>
> Although WMHK will cease to exist, I still hope the other chapters will
> continue to try their best in the Wikimedia movement.
>
> Regards,
> Rover Wong
> the last president of Wikimedia Hong Kong
>
> 2017年2月8日 下午7:10 於 "James Heilman"  寫道:
>
> > Thanks Kirill
> >
> > In my opinion this is reasonable. We need to have criteria for what
> > affiliation with the movement means and what it requires from those
> > affiliated. If the requirements are consistently not met than removing
> > official affiliation until it is is simply common practice.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Kirill Lokshin  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> > > organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> > > group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
> Wikimedia
> > > mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards
> > set
> > > forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has
> > > been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia
> movement
> > > affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued
> > > recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the
> > > Wikimedia movement.
> > >
> > > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their
> > suspension
> > > as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with
> > reporting
> > > requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and
> > deadlines
> > > in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The
> > chapter
> > > failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016, and
> > was
> > > consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a
> > > Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on
> > > February 1, 2017.
> > >
> > > If you have questions about what this means for the community members
> in
> > > Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put
> > > together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_
> > > affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ
> > > .
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kirill Lokshin
> > > Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee
> > > ___
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> >
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> > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
> >
> > The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you for your service, Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Vi to
Just a question: can a former chapter reapply for recognition?

Vito

2017-02-08 16:13 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk :

> As the chapter status of Wikimedia Hong Kong has come to an end, I would
> like to thank the volunteers at Wikimedia Hong Kong for their incredible
> work over the past years. It is easy to start discussions about the
> validity of the decision, or to play a blame game - but lets at least agree
> some pretty cool stuff has been done over the past years.
>
> Most of us will remember the Wikimania conference that was organized in
> Hong Kong in 2013 - an amazing conference with an incredible amount of
> volunteers that were collected from all over society to help welcome these
> Wikipedians. Especially in their earliest years, I believe that Wikimedia
> HK was active in supporting other Asian chapters to collaborate better and
> grow.
>
> Thank you, Wikimedians from Hong Kong, for your service! You have helped
> the Wikimedia movement in Hong Kong a lot over the past years, and I hope
> that we will still hear a lot from you in this new phase. The end of the
> organization will hopefully not mean the end of your impactful work.
>
> Best,
>
> Lodewijk
>
> 2017-02-08 12:48 GMT+01:00 Wong Rover :
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > On behalf of WMHK, I would like to say something.
> >
> > Some may think it is pity that WMHK has been de-recognized. But the board
> > of WMHK has actually already decided to disband the chapter.
> >
> > Although WMHK will cease to exist, I still hope the other chapters will
> > continue to try their best in the Wikimedia movement.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rover Wong
> > the last president of Wikimedia Hong Kong
> >
> > 2017年2月8日 下午7:10 於 "James Heilman"  寫道:
> >
> > > Thanks Kirill
> > >
> > > In my opinion this is reasonable. We need to have criteria for what
> > > affiliation with the movement means and what it requires from those
> > > affiliated. If the requirements are consistently not met than removing
> > > official affiliation until it is is simply common practice.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Kirill Lokshin <
> kirill.loks...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> > > > organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an
> independent
> > > > group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
> > Wikimedia
> > > > mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance
> standards
> > > set
> > > > forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol
> has
> > > > been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia
> > movement
> > > > affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their
> continued
> > > > recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the
> > > > Wikimedia movement.
> > > >
> > > > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their
> > > suspension
> > > > as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with
> > > reporting
> > > > requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and
> > > deadlines
> > > > in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The
> > > chapter
> > > > failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016,
> and
> > > was
> > > > consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a
> > > > Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on
> > > > February 1, 2017.
> > > >
> > > > If you have questions about what this means for the community members
> > in
> > > > Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put
> > > > together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_
> > > > affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Kirill Lokshin
> > > > Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee
> > > > ___
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> > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/
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> > >
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> > >
> > > --
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> > > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
> > >
> > > The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
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[Wikimedia-l] Thank you for your service, Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Lodewijk
As the chapter status of Wikimedia Hong Kong has come to an end, I would
like to thank the volunteers at Wikimedia Hong Kong for their incredible
work over the past years. It is easy to start discussions about the
validity of the decision, or to play a blame game - but lets at least agree
some pretty cool stuff has been done over the past years.

Most of us will remember the Wikimania conference that was organized in
Hong Kong in 2013 - an amazing conference with an incredible amount of
volunteers that were collected from all over society to help welcome these
Wikipedians. Especially in their earliest years, I believe that Wikimedia
HK was active in supporting other Asian chapters to collaborate better and
grow.

Thank you, Wikimedians from Hong Kong, for your service! You have helped
the Wikimedia movement in Hong Kong a lot over the past years, and I hope
that we will still hear a lot from you in this new phase. The end of the
organization will hopefully not mean the end of your impactful work.

Best,

Lodewijk

2017-02-08 12:48 GMT+01:00 Wong Rover :

> Hi all,
>
> On behalf of WMHK, I would like to say something.
>
> Some may think it is pity that WMHK has been de-recognized. But the board
> of WMHK has actually already decided to disband the chapter.
>
> Although WMHK will cease to exist, I still hope the other chapters will
> continue to try their best in the Wikimedia movement.
>
> Regards,
> Rover Wong
> the last president of Wikimedia Hong Kong
>
> 2017年2月8日 下午7:10 於 "James Heilman"  寫道:
>
> > Thanks Kirill
> >
> > In my opinion this is reasonable. We need to have criteria for what
> > affiliation with the movement means and what it requires from those
> > affiliated. If the requirements are consistently not met than removing
> > official affiliation until it is is simply common practice.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Kirill Lokshin  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> > > organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> > > group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
> Wikimedia
> > > mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards
> > set
> > > forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has
> > > been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia
> movement
> > > affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued
> > > recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the
> > > Wikimedia movement.
> > >
> > > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their
> > suspension
> > > as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with
> > reporting
> > > requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and
> > deadlines
> > > in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The
> > chapter
> > > failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016, and
> > was
> > > consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a
> > > Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on
> > > February 1, 2017.
> > >
> > > If you have questions about what this means for the community members
> in
> > > Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put
> > > together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_
> > > affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ
> > > .
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kirill Lokshin
> > > Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee
> > > ___
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> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> > > 
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
> >
> > The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Katie Chan
This particular decision has arguably been a long time coming, but I am 
sad that it has indeed happened. My best wishes to all Wikimedians in 
Hong Kong with whatever their plans are for the future.


KTC

On 08/02/2017 02:19, Kirill Lokshin wrote:

Hi everyone,

Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set
forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has
been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia movement
affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued
recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the
Wikimedia movement.

On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their suspension
as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with reporting
requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and deadlines
in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The chapter
failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016, and was
consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a
Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on
February 1, 2017.

If you have questions about what this means for the community members in
Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put
together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I am glad to see that the WMF is being rigorous in ensuring that the
donors' money is being spent effectively and accountably by the affiliated
organisations.  Of course one does not expect a detailed narrative when the
WMF deems it necessary to take action in this way since named individuals
are necessarily involved.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Wong Rover  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On behalf of WMHK, I would like to say something.
>
> Some may think it is pity that WMHK has been de-recognized. But the board
> of WMHK has actually already decided to disband the chapter.
>
> Although WMHK will cease to exist, I still hope the other chapters will
> continue to try their best in the Wikimedia movement.
>
> Regards,
> Rover Wong
> the last president of Wikimedia Hong Kong
>
> 2017年2月8日 下午7:10 於 "James Heilman"  寫道:
>
> > Thanks Kirill
> >
> > In my opinion this is reasonable. We need to have criteria for what
> > affiliation with the movement means and what it requires from those
> > affiliated. If the requirements are consistently not met than removing
> > official affiliation until it is is simply common practice.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Kirill Lokshin  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> > > organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> > > group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
> Wikimedia
> > > mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards
> > set
> > > forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has
> > > been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia
> movement
> > > affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued
> > > recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the
> > > Wikimedia movement.
> > >
> > > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their
> > suspension
> > > as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with
> > reporting
> > > requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and
> > deadlines
> > > in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The
> > chapter
> > > failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016, and
> > was
> > > consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a
> > > Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on
> > > February 1, 2017.
> > >
> > > If you have questions about what this means for the community members
> in
> > > Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put
> > > together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_
> > > affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ
> > > .
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kirill Lokshin
> > > Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Wong Rover
Hi all,

On behalf of WMHK, I would like to say something.

Some may think it is pity that WMHK has been de-recognized. But the board
of WMHK has actually already decided to disband the chapter.

Although WMHK will cease to exist, I still hope the other chapters will
continue to try their best in the Wikimedia movement.

Regards,
Rover Wong
the last president of Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017年2月8日 下午7:10 於 "James Heilman"  寫道:

> Thanks Kirill
>
> In my opinion this is reasonable. We need to have criteria for what
> affiliation with the movement means and what it requires from those
> affiliated. If the requirements are consistently not met than removing
> official affiliation until it is is simply common practice.
>
> James
>
> On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Kirill Lokshin 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> > organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> > group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
> > mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards
> set
> > forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has
> > been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia movement
> > affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued
> > recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the
> > Wikimedia movement.
> >
> > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their
> suspension
> > as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with
> reporting
> > requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and
> deadlines
> > in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The
> chapter
> > failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016, and
> was
> > consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a
> > Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on
> > February 1, 2017.
> >
> > If you have questions about what this means for the community members in
> > Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put
> > together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_
> > affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ
> > .
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee
> > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread
Could we have a confirmation from AffCom that the list of formerly
active affiliates on meta is "official", i.e. the definitive public
reference list, and is maintained?
* 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Formerly_Active_Affiliates

If it is officially maintained, this may avoid folks becoming confused
about which organizations on the main Reports page who have not
managed to achieve their reporting requirements to comply with their
contract/agreement with the WMF, no longer have a valid contract. As
this is a legal decision, there should be no need for grey areas.

Thanks,
Fae
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On 8 February 2017 at 11:09, James Heilman  wrote:
> Thanks Kirill
>
> In my opinion this is reasonable. We need to have criteria for what
> affiliation with the movement means and what it requires from those
> affiliated. If the requirements are consistently not met than removing
> official affiliation until it is is simply common practice.
>
> James
>
> On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Kirill Lokshin 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
>> organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
>> group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
>> mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set
>> forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has
>> been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia movement
>> affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued
>> recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the
>> Wikimedia movement.
>>
>> On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their suspension
>> as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with reporting
>> requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and deadlines
>> in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The chapter
>> failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016, and was
>> consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a
>> Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on
>> February 1, 2017.
>>
>> If you have questions about what this means for the community members in
>> Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put
>> together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_
>> affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ
>> .
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kirill Lokshin
>> Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread James Heilman
Thanks Kirill

In my opinion this is reasonable. We need to have criteria for what
affiliation with the movement means and what it requires from those
affiliated. If the requirements are consistently not met than removing
official affiliation until it is is simply common practice.

James

On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Kirill Lokshin 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
> mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards set
> forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has
> been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia movement
> affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued
> recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the
> Wikimedia movement.
>
> On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their suspension
> as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with reporting
> requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and deadlines
> in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The chapter
> failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016, and was
> consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a
> Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on
> February 1, 2017.
>
> If you have questions about what this means for the community members in
> Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put
> together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_
> affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ
> .
>
> Regards,
> Kirill Lokshin
> Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Gnangarra
​Agree the WMF staff dont always but the community/committee level does I
have experienced it first hand, both personally and as a chapter there are
policies written about not biting people so it happens all to regularly.

Maybe there is also the influence of being isolated in Australia that we
dont get the opportunity to participate on any meaningful regular basis
​with the wider community that we cant observe or be part of those softer
process nor hear about them taking place.



On 8 February 2017 at 16:57, Dariusz Jemielniak  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Gnangarra  wrote:
>
> > Observation: When we place trust within the projects and the community it
> > appears that we like to grab the biggest stick possible to whack people
> > with it with at the first opportunity.
>
>
> I am not going to comment on this particular case - although I believe that
> to make a fair judgment one would probably have to go into a bit more
> details than compare the dates of report submissions.
>
> I have to say that in my whole hands-on experience with the WMF staff
> responsible for relations with our affiliates over the last 5+ years, I
> have NEVER observed their urge to "grab the biggest stick possible to whack
> people at the first opportunity" as you put it. Have they misunderstood
> cultural nuances? Sure, sometimes. Have they been driven by their own
> strong view how things should be done? Definitely (not sure if it is always
> a bad thing, btw). Have they decided about the things, that the community
> should have more influence on? Maybe.
>
> However, on a number of occassions I have seen the WMF staff to be really
> supportive and passionate about the affiliate work. The drive to punish
> anyone is something I've never observed. For the good or for the bad, they
> are professionals. They definitely occasionally make mistakes, like we all
> do - and these should be constructively discussed, while aiming at the best
> possible result for the community. But I believe that suggesting that the
> WMF is simply waiting for opportunities to use disproportionate punishments
> on affiliates is outright assuming bad faith, and is unfair.
>
> best,
>
> dariusz ("pundit"), current community-elected trustee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Hi Gnangarra,

Unlike user groups, which can meet reporting requirements simply by
providing an annual report of activities, chapters are additionally
required to publish a complete set of financial statements annually.
Further, chapters that receive funds from any Wikimedia Foundation grant
program are required to meet specific financial reporting requirements
related to those grants in addition to the annual financial statements.

A chapter that fails to meet either of these financial reporting
requirements would be considered non-compliant with their chapter
agreement, regardless of whether they satisfied the minimum activity
reporting requirement.

Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:22 AM, Gnangarra  wrote:

> trying to understand the process as well as the why here,
>
> what I see at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports is that they havent
> supplied the 2015-16 report they report on the period 1 Jul to 30 Jun (same
> as WMAU). On September 9 2016 they were asked to furnish this report and
> given until 1 November to do it.
>
> If this had been Australia our reporting occurs with the our annual general
> meeting normally in October at which the members endorse or reject the
> reports(never happened) at the same time the committee is dissolved and
> elections take place(legal requirement in Australia) This new committee has
> a number of functions to carry out of the change over including reporting
> to a number of Government agencies, as well as to the WMF which happened
> on 7
> Nov
>  chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Australia/2016/Annual_Report=history>,
>
>
> Looking at the WMHK reporting the previous period 2014-15 report wasnt
> posted until 1st December, to place an expectation of compliance by 1
> November in September 2016 when the normal reporting time frame is
> historically longer appears unfair and designed to cause conflict.
>
> Recognising some faults in that the 2014-15 report wasnt adequate and needs
> to be improved, and that its now February 2017 the report still hasnt been
> furnished. The process of de-registering that has taken place based on the
> information provided appears flawed.  I dont discount that other
> information not made available makes this a necessary step but perhaps
> there is room for a period suspension  12-18 months which is what it would
> take to get another affiliate started anyway would.
>
> Observation: When we place trust within the projects and the community it
> appears that we like to grab the biggest stick possible to whack people
> with it with at the first opportunity.
>
> On 8 February 2017 at 15:29, Gilbert Conus 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > where is it possible to read this specific list of tasks in order to
> > understand this email ?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gilbert
> >
> >
> > Le 08.02.2017 à 03:19, Kirill Lokshin a écrit :
> >
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> >> organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> >> group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
> Wikimedia
> >> mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards
> >> set
> >> forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has
> >> been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia
> movement
> >> affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued
> >> recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the
> >> Wikimedia movement.
> >>
> >> On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their
> suspension
> >> as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with
> >> reporting
> >> requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and
> >> deadlines
> >> in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The
> chapter
> >> failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016, and
> >> was
> >> consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a
> >> Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on
> >> February 1, 2017.
> >>
> >> If you have questions about what this means for the community members in
> >> Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put
> >> together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate
> >> _de-recognition_FAQ
> >> .
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Kirill Lokshin
> >> Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee
> >> ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Gnangarra  wrote:

> Observation: When we place trust within the projects and the community it
> appears that we like to grab the biggest stick possible to whack people
> with it with at the first opportunity.


I am not going to comment on this particular case - although I believe that
to make a fair judgment one would probably have to go into a bit more
details than compare the dates of report submissions.

I have to say that in my whole hands-on experience with the WMF staff
responsible for relations with our affiliates over the last 5+ years, I
have NEVER observed their urge to "grab the biggest stick possible to whack
people at the first opportunity" as you put it. Have they misunderstood
cultural nuances? Sure, sometimes. Have they been driven by their own
strong view how things should be done? Definitely (not sure if it is always
a bad thing, btw). Have they decided about the things, that the community
should have more influence on? Maybe.

However, on a number of occassions I have seen the WMF staff to be really
supportive and passionate about the affiliate work. The drive to punish
anyone is something I've never observed. For the good or for the bad, they
are professionals. They definitely occasionally make mistakes, like we all
do - and these should be constructively discussed, while aiming at the best
possible result for the community. But I believe that suggesting that the
WMF is simply waiting for opportunities to use disproportionate punishments
on affiliates is outright assuming bad faith, and is unfair.

best,

dariusz ("pundit"), current community-elected trustee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Gnangarra
was writing my comment at the same time as Manuel, there is a local legal
dimension in his comment that hasnt been brought up here that is there may
be no ability to scale back to a Usergroup model,  those dimensions will be
different for every country but we need to also recognise that they exist
and are potentially substantial barriers.

While community process might call a group a UG and relate to them in that
way, the actual underlying local requirements and expenses maybe be no
different to that of a chapter.

As we are learning changes can occur rapidly and the implications of those
is beyond the ability of a one size fits all policy/process to address
needs for 190 different countries plus internal states and independent
territories.

I dont disagree we need these policies and process but care in recommending
them without the appropriate training and knowledge is also part of the
problem

On 8 February 2017 at 16:22, Gnangarra  wrote:

> trying to understand the process as well as the why here,
>
> what I see at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports is that they havent
> supplied the 2015-16 report they report on the period 1 Jul to 30 Jun (same
> as WMAU). On September 9 2016 they were asked to furnish this report and
> given until 1 November to do it.
>
> If this had been Australia our reporting occurs with the our annual
> general meeting normally in October at which the members endorse or reject
> the reports(never happened) at the same time the committee is dissolved and
> elections take place(legal requirement in Australia) This new committee has
> a number of functions to carry out of the change over including reporting
> to a number of Government agencies, as well as to the WMF which happened on 7
> Nov
> ,
>
>
> Looking at the WMHK reporting the previous period 2014-15 report wasnt
> posted until 1st December, to place an expectation of compliance by 1
> November in September 2016 when the normal reporting time frame is
> historically longer appears unfair and designed to cause conflict.
>
> Recognising some faults in that the 2014-15 report wasnt adequate and
> needs to be improved, and that its now February 2017 the report still hasnt
> been furnished. The process of de-registering that has taken place based on
> the information provided appears flawed.  I dont discount that other
> information not made available makes this a necessary step but perhaps
> there is room for a period suspension  12-18 months which is what it would
> take to get another affiliate started anyway would.
>
> Observation: When we place trust within the projects and the community it
> appears that we like to grab the biggest stick possible to whack people
> with it with at the first opportunity.
>
> On 8 February 2017 at 15:29, Gilbert Conus 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> where is it possible to read this specific list of tasks in order to
>> understand this email ?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gilbert
>>
>>
>> Le 08.02.2017 à 03:19, Kirill Lokshin a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
>>> organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
>>> group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
>>> mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards
>>> set
>>> forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has
>>> been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia movement
>>> affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued
>>> recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the
>>> Wikimedia movement.
>>>
>>> On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their
>>> suspension
>>> as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with
>>> reporting
>>> requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and
>>> deadlines
>>> in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The
>>> chapter
>>> failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016, and
>>> was
>>> consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a
>>> Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on
>>> February 1, 2017.
>>>
>>> If you have questions about what this means for the community members in
>>> Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put
>>> together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate
>>> _de-recognition_FAQ
>>> .
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Kirill Lokshin
>>> Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee
>>> ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Gnangarra
trying to understand the process as well as the why here,

what I see at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports is that they havent
supplied the 2015-16 report they report on the period 1 Jul to 30 Jun (same
as WMAU). On September 9 2016 they were asked to furnish this report and
given until 1 November to do it.

If this had been Australia our reporting occurs with the our annual general
meeting normally in October at which the members endorse or reject the
reports(never happened) at the same time the committee is dissolved and
elections take place(legal requirement in Australia) This new committee has
a number of functions to carry out of the change over including reporting
to a number of Government agencies, as well as to the WMF which happened on 7
Nov
,


Looking at the WMHK reporting the previous period 2014-15 report wasnt
posted until 1st December, to place an expectation of compliance by 1
November in September 2016 when the normal reporting time frame is
historically longer appears unfair and designed to cause conflict.

Recognising some faults in that the 2014-15 report wasnt adequate and needs
to be improved, and that its now February 2017 the report still hasnt been
furnished. The process of de-registering that has taken place based on the
information provided appears flawed.  I dont discount that other
information not made available makes this a necessary step but perhaps
there is room for a period suspension  12-18 months which is what it would
take to get another affiliate started anyway would.

Observation: When we place trust within the projects and the community it
appears that we like to grab the biggest stick possible to whack people
with it with at the first opportunity.

On 8 February 2017 at 15:29, Gilbert Conus 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> where is it possible to read this specific list of tasks in order to
> understand this email ?
>
> Regards,
> Gilbert
>
>
> Le 08.02.2017 à 03:19, Kirill Lokshin a écrit :
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
>> organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
>> group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
>> mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards
>> set
>> forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has
>> been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia movement
>> affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued
>> recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the
>> Wikimedia movement.
>>
>> On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their suspension
>> as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with
>> reporting
>> requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and
>> deadlines
>> in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The chapter
>> failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016, and
>> was
>> consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a
>> Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on
>> February 1, 2017.
>>
>> If you have questions about what this means for the community members in
>> Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put
>> together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate
>> _de-recognition_FAQ
>> .
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kirill Lokshin
>> Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Manuel Schneider
Salut Gilbert,

a brief summary of the benefits, limits and expectations of chapters can
be found here:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Chapter_Summary_Matrix

Apart from that has every chapter a Chapter Agreement which has more
details.

On top of that additional requirements and expectations are set by the
programs a chapter participates in or benefits from, e.g. PEG or FDC.

This means that requirements and tasks of some chapters are smaller (eg.
if they are small, work with only with the money they raise themselves)
or bigger (eg. for chapters participating in FDC or take in grants).

In the case of de-recognitions the AffCom and the WMF work with these
chapters long before. Problems / incompliance is noted and discussed,
chapters are asked to come up with plans how to fix this. AffCom and WMF
also provide help and a lot of patience in getting things sorted.
Just when these plans don't work out or chapters are completely
unwilling to fix things or come up with any plans then a series of
deadlines will be applied to get things going - either in one direction
or another.

As Maor has written in an earlier statement of the AffCom a few days ago
there have been several such processes going on over the last year. So
everyone involved is very much aware of what is going on, it will be no
suprise to anyone affected.

Of course such issues are delicate and there is always the hope and the
goal to fix problems so things never come to an end like this and must
not been taken to the public. Things sometimes do go wrong and nobody
wants to publicly blame or shame someone or even a group. Every chapter
in trouble is encouraged to scale down to a user group and try again in
a smaller, easier to handle environment. When they can be successful and
sustainable in that way then the path to become a chapter later and
matured is always still open.

It is not about punishing people or anything towards chapters in
general. It is just ultimately enforcing the rules and agreements which
are in place and had been the foundation of being a chapter, receiving
grants etc.


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