Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Anna I absolutely loved what you write. It is very much uplifting to see
that you want to move forward and want to do this based on the facts on the
ground and not so much on our convoluted history that is spread out so much
that even someone like me who has been involved for the longest time has
given up on yesterdays arguments.

Some will say but.. but ... and from their position they may be right. They
forget that there are over 280 languages, more in the pipe line and even
more projects and as it is we do not consider this at all. English
Wikipedia is less than 50% and as Asaf said in a recent presentation less
than 50% of the people in this world have English as a first or second
language. Arguments from the past mean that the diversity we are is less
important than the incumbency of the present talking heads.

When arguments are based in the past, the reality check if the arguments
still fit the present is typically left out. When arguments are of high
quality, they should still convince and do not need to consider their
legacy.
Thanks,
   GerardM

On 11 February 2017 at 02:34, Anna Stillwell 
wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Rogol Domedonfors 
> wrote:
>
> > Anna,
> >
> >
> > > As you may have noticed, threaded discussions become difficult for me
> to
> > > visually navigate after a while. Thus, the color.
> > >
> >
> > Sorry, colour doesn't come through on the mailing list.
> >
>
> Thank you for explaining that. I appreciate you teaching me the rules.
> After I posted, I also had a number of wiki elves simultaneously ping me on
> a number of different channels to let me know the very same thing. A bunch
> of gardeners just tending to the commons. It was delightful. It felt like
> an entrance into a different world. I was wondering when the hobbits would
> show up with second breakfast and above all: ale. I want some ale.
>
> >
> >
> > > Call me naive, but I’m excited by the prospect of the movement strategy
> > > . I
> > know
> > > that many other things will need to happen to arrive at the state that
> > you
> > > speak of, but thinking together at that scale is likely a good start in
> > my
> > > mind.  It might even be a necessary but insufficient pre-requisite for
> > the
> > > kind of collaboration you speak of.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Let us hope that it does what is both necessary and sufficient.
> >
>
> Yes.
>
> Sometimes I wonder if hope isn’t at the base of it all. Perhaps hope is
> necessary but certainly not sufficient for it all to transpire. Hope is not
> a strategy. But maybe it's a foundation.
>
> Besides, I could use some. Hope, that is. It’s looking bleak out there.
> It’s tough to wake up in the middle of your life and realize that it looks
> like most of the world thinks a regression back to nationalism and
> censorship and white, straight power is a good idea. Not as tough as
> needing knowledge and food and health every single day and not having
> access to it, but tough in a Maslow’s-hierarchy-kinda-way.  There is so
> much work to do on so many fronts.
>
> I wake up thinking about and feeling unsure about the future.
>
>
> > > The current notion being instantiated in the proposed Technical
> > guidelines
> > > > is very much about a wise and benevolent Foundation steering its
> ideas
> > > > through a reluctant community.  That is frankly insufficient.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Would you direct me to those Technical guidelines? I don’t know the
> > > reference and I should.
> > >
> >
> > They are at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Collaboration_
> > Guidance
> > which is currently under discussion.  This appears to be a successor
> > project to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_
> > process/Communities which is described as stalled.
> >
>
> Thank you. I have not yet read these because I spent a lot of time this
> week clarifying Joady’s and my role with KM and JL. We all wanted clarity
> on which problems we were solving and which ones we were not. My JD is at
> the end of the email if you would like that clarity as well.
>
> >
> >
>
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe not. But if it could strike a deeper cord around
> transparency,
> > I
> > > > > wanted to show up for that conversation. Talk openly. Let people
> know
> > > > that
> > > > > we are listening, that we believe in transparency… that’s why we
> all
> > > > fought
> > > > > for it.
> > > > >
> > > > > To be clear, I have no sense whether it did strike a cord around
> > > > > transparency, but I enjoyed the conversation nevertheless.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > My experience of the Foundations notion of Transparency has been
> patchy
> > > at
> > > > lest -- and that's a polite way of saying breathtakingly awful.
> > >
> > >
> > > That good? All jokes aside, I take this very seriously. I’d like to
> hear
> > > your notion of transparency, but first I’ll offer this one that I
> > recently
> > > heard because I have th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

[Anna Stillwell]

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> Anna,
>
>
> > As you may have noticed, threaded discussions become difficult for me to
> > visually navigate after a while. Thus, the color.
> >
>
> Sorry, colour doesn't come through on the mailing list.
>

Thank you for explaining that. I appreciate you teaching me the rules.
After I posted, I also had a number of wiki elves simultaneously ping me on
a number of different channels to let me know the very same thing. A bunch
of gardeners just tending to the commons. It was delightful. It felt like
an entrance into a different world. I was wondering when the hobbits would
show up with second breakfast and above all: ale. I want some ale.

>
>
> > Call me naive, but I’m excited by the prospect of the movement strategy
> > . I
> know
> > that many other things will need to happen to arrive at the state that
> you
> > speak of, but thinking together at that scale is likely a good start in
> my
> > mind.  It might even be a necessary but insufficient pre-requisite for
> the
> > kind of collaboration you speak of.
> >
>
>
> Let us hope that it does what is both necessary and sufficient.
>

Yes.

Sometimes I wonder if hope isn’t at the base of it all. Perhaps hope is
necessary but certainly not sufficient for it all to transpire. Hope is not
a strategy. But maybe it's a foundation.

Besides, I could use some. Hope, that is. It’s looking bleak out there.
It’s tough to wake up in the middle of your life and realize that it looks
like most of the world thinks a regression back to nationalism and
censorship and white, straight power is a good idea. Not as tough as
needing knowledge and food and health every single day and not having
access to it, but tough in a Maslow’s-hierarchy-kinda-way.  There is so
much work to do on so many fronts.

I wake up thinking about and feeling unsure about the future.


> > The current notion being instantiated in the proposed Technical
> guidelines
> > > is very much about a wise and benevolent Foundation steering its ideas
> > > through a reluctant community.  That is frankly insufficient.
> > >
> >
> > Would you direct me to those Technical guidelines? I don’t know the
> > reference and I should.
> >
>
> They are at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Collaboration_
> Guidance
> which is currently under discussion.  This appears to be a successor
> project to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_
> process/Communities which is described as stalled.
>

Thank you. I have not yet read these because I spent a lot of time this
week clarifying Joady’s and my role with KM and JL. We all wanted clarity
on which problems we were solving and which ones we were not. My JD is at
the end of the email if you would like that clarity as well.

>
>

> > >
> > > >
> > > > Maybe not. But if it could strike a deeper cord around transparency,
> I
> > > > wanted to show up for that conversation. Talk openly. Let people know
> > > that
> > > > we are listening, that we believe in transparency… that’s why we all
> > > fought
> > > > for it.
> > > >
> > > > To be clear, I have no sense whether it did strike a cord around
> > > > transparency, but I enjoyed the conversation nevertheless.
> > > >
> > >
> > > My experience of the Foundations notion of Transparency has been patchy
> > at
> > > lest -- and that's a polite way of saying breathtakingly awful.
> >
> >
> > That good? All jokes aside, I take this very seriously. I’d like to hear
> > your notion of transparency, but first I’ll offer this one that I
> recently
> > heard because I have the sense that it will resonate with you. We're in
> the
> > final stages of an org-wide conversation on our values
> > . We
> > invited some current and former community-selected board members as well
> as
> > volunteers beyond the board to these conversations.  I enjoyed them very
> > much.
> >
> > Normally, I would attribute this quote, but these conversations were
> > anonymized, so I don’t have permission to reveal my brilliant source.
> They
> > talked about how transparency was likely not the right word for what they
> > really wanted. They wanted a way to join in. They wanted to know where
> they
> > could plug in. Is that a notion of “maybe more than transparency" that
> > resonates with you?
> >
> > That’s the problem that I’m chewing on. And so your ideas around
> > collaboration are interesting to me. So I’m thinking about them. What
> they
> > would mean, how it could be done, the myriad of constraints that make it
> > seem quite difficult to orchestrate.
> >
>
> The difference between Transparency and Engagement is indeed what I have
> been concerned about.  But genuine engagement cannot take place on a basis
> of asymmetric access to information.  So transparency seems to be the
> prerequisite
>
> Cool. I think we’re thinking in some similar dir

[Wikimedia-l] 2017 Wikimania Scholarships

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[Wikimedia-l] February 10: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#6)

[Katherine Maher]

Hi all!

A somewhat shorter email this week:


*First, thank you!*
Thanks to everyone who commented on the prototypes from the Community
Process Steering Committee.[1] As a reminder, these are draft proposals for
*how* we structure the upcoming strategy discussion. The goal is to be
inclusive of our whole movement, and give participants many ways to
participate, on- and off-wiki.

Prior to starting this work, we heard from many people that they wanted to
be involved in designing the process, not just the strategy itself. This is
that opportunity! Please make sure to comment if you are interested in
sharing your ideas. We welcome everyone’s input and hope to hear from many
more of you.

*Summary of this past week*

Track A (Organized community groups) and Track B (Individual contributors).

   - We posted the second version of process prototypes for Track A & Track
   B on Meta,[1] incorporating suggestions from the Steering Committee. Main
   improvements included:
   - Adding more support, including a designated Track A lead
  - Adding a Beta rollout to the Track A design (20 February−1 March)
  for groups to test and give feedback on the toolkit
   - Expanding the timeframe for the first round of discussion.
   - We have begun building a facilitator toolkit and context for group
   discussions, based on input from the Community Process Steering Committee.
   - We are discussing how to reach more people, more effectively. Our goal
   is to inform as many members of the movement about upcoming strategy as
   possible, so community members are aware of the ways they can participate.
   We’re working to identify how to do this.
   - We have requested the Community Process Steering Committee extend
   their engagement period by two weeks, to provide additional input on the
   toolkit and discussions framing.
   - The Community Engagement department is reviewing candidates for the
   Language Specialist Strategy Coordinators. We have many strong candidates,
   but have some gaps. Please help us find candidates [2] for:
  - Chinese, French, German, Japanese, Russian, Vietnamese, Malayalam

Track C (High reach markets) and Track D (Low reach markets)

   - We discussed potential Track C leads and scheduled time with extended
   strategy group to better define Track C.
   - Juliet Barbara, Toby Negrin, and Caitlin Virtue from the Foundation
   will help lead Track D. We’ll share more information soon about how you can
   participate in its development and implementation. More information will be
   posted on Meta-Wiki.[3]
   - The C and D working groups began reaching out to experts and advisors
   for insights on opportunities for the movement.
   - The working groups are developing methods for identifying like-minded
   organizations and experts in knowledge to engage in upcoming Track C and D
   discussions.

*Next steps*

   - Finalize the process for Tracks A & B, incorporating your input.
   - Finalize the plan for each Track's first phase of movement-wide
   discussions - including selection of topics and questions to help
   facilitate effective discussions.
   - Finish initial version of facilitator toolkit for group beta testing.
   - Propose initial framing for discussions for review by the Community
   Process Steering Committee
   - Confirm all track leads and groups, related responsibilities, and
   necessary support.
   - Propose objectives for Wikimedia Conference 2017 in Berlin and begin
   designing the strategy track with conference facilitators.
   - Build to launch strategy, notifying as many community members as
   possible.

In the spirit of informing more people, we will send a brief, monthly
update message tomorrow to a wide variety of community lists and forums.

Alright, that’s it! But before I go, please check out the prototype designs
on Meta-Wiki, and leave comments.[1] This is your opportunity!

Happy Weekend,
Katherine

PS. A version of this message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki.[4]


[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Process/Design
[2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/People
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Updates/10_February_2017_-_Update_6_on_Wikimedia_movement_strategy_process
[5] Dear wmfall, I don't like cited links, either.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] List management

[Alessandro Marchetti]

Thank you for the answers. Good luck with the candidates :) 

Il Giovedì 9 Febbraio 2017 14:34, Austin Hair  ha scritto:
 

 I didn't receive this message at all, but yes, Alessandro raises two
good points.

I'm UTC+(1|2), and Asaf is UTC-(7|8). The time zone really isn't a
deciding factor—it's a "nice to have."

As Katie said, the Mailman page is current. If there's a wiki page out
there with incorrect information, let me know, or just fix it
yourself. :)

Austin

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Katie Chan  wrote:
> The individual mailman list page shows the email address of all the list
> admins near the bottom:
> .
>
> "XYZ list run by ADM1 at email.com, ADM2 at email.com"
>
> KTC
>
> On 09/02/2017 05:48, Alessandro Marchetti wrote:
>>
>> Hi,is there a link where a generic subscriber can find a ("decently"
>> updated) list of sysops? in
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration I find no
>> specific information about that. Is this on purpose?
>> Also how can we know what are their "usual time zones" if we want a
>> profile to apply to fit a gap? I mean, can you give us a disaggregated
>> analysis, such as "currently two are UTC+1, two are UTC-6 and one is UTC+2".
>> Just curious.
>>
>>
>>    Il Giovedì 9 Febbraio 2017 6:26, Pine W  ha
>> scritto:
>>
>>
>>  I regret seeing THO fade away. I found him to be likable, polite, and
>> competent.
>>
>> I think well of Shani, and as she already has some experience with
>> moderation duties, I would like to second her (self-)nomination.
>>
>> Pine
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Austin Hair  wrote:
>>
>>> We've just had a bit of turnover of our list administrators. In order
>>> to get moderation going smoothly again, I've added Asaf Bartov as an
>>> admin. I don't think that decision will be controversial.
>>>
>>> Richard has resigned for his own reasons, after putting in more than
>>> his fair share of work here. Thehelpfulone has been removed following
>>> a prolonged silence.
>>>
>>> I would like a third active moderator. You can volunteer on this
>>> thread, or send a message to wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org.
>>> This should be No Big Deal, and while there are technically no
>>> requirements, getting the reference is a bonus.
>>>
>>> Austin
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Tech Talk: A Gentle Introduction to Wikidata for Absolute Beginners [including non-techies!]

[יגאל חיטרון]

Hi, Assaf. Is there any chance for English subtitles in the future? Thanks.
Igal

2017-02-10 14:00 GMT+02:00 :

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>   for Absolute Beginners [including non-techies!] (Jane Darnell)
>
>
> -- הודעה שהועברה --
> From: Asaf Bartov 
> To: Wikimedia developers , Wikimedia
> Mailing List 
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 06:32:37 +
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Tech Talk: A Gentle Introduction
> to Wikidata for Absolute Beginners [including non-techies!]
> Here's the (3-hour) footage of the detailed Wikidata tutorial delivered
> today:
>
> on Commons:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_Gentle_
> Introduction_to_Wikidata_for_Absolute_Beginners_(including_
> non-techies!).webm
>
> on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVrAx3AmUvA
>
> the slides:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_-_A_Gentle_
> Introduction_for_Complete_Beginners_(WMF_February_2017).pdf
>
> It covers what Wikidata is (00:00), how to contribute new data to Wikidata
> (1:09:34), how to create an entirely new item on Wikidata (1:27:07), how to
> embed data from Wikidata into pages on other wikis (1:52:54), tools like
> the Wikidata Game (1:39:20), Article Placeholder (2:01:01), Reasonator
> (2:54:15) and Mix-and-match (2:57:05), and how to query Wikidata (including
> SPARQL examples) (starting 2:05:05).
>
> Share and enjoy. :)
>
>A.
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 4:35 PM Rachel Farrand 
> wrote:
>
> > Please join for the following talk:
> >
> > *Tech Talk**:* A Gentle Introduction to Wikidata for Absolute Beginners
> > [including non-techies!]
> > *Presenter:* Asaf Bartov
> > *Date:* February 09, 2017
> > *Time: *19:00 UTC
> > <
> > https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=
> Tech+Talk%3A+A+Gentle+Introduction+to+Wikidata+for+Absolute+Beginners+%
> 5Bincluding+non-techies%21%5D+&iso=20170209T19&p1=1440&ah=3
> > >
> > Link to live YouTube stream  >
> > *IRC channel for questions/discussion:* #wikimedia-office
> >
> > *Summary: *This talk will introduce you to the Wikimedia Movement's
> latest
> > major wiki project: Wikidata. We will cover what Wikidata is, how to
> > contribute, how to embed Wikidata into articles on other wikis, tools
> like
> > the Wikidata Game, and how to query Wikidata (including SPARQL examples).
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>
> -- הודעה שהועברה --
> From: Jane Darnell 
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> Cc: Wikimedia developers 
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 07:41:55 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Tech Talk: A Gentle Introduction
> to Wikidata for Absolute Beginners [including non-techies!]
> Great job, thanks Asaf. Any chance this can be transcripted for
> translation? I don't even know how. Also this should be annotated for
> specific how-to pieces (or maybe someone can make derivative files for e.g.
> the query editor)
> >From any page, someone should be able to click through to another page
> (Youtube, Commons webm, Commons slides)
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Asaf Bartov 
> wrote:
>
> > Here's the (3-hour) footage of the detailed Wikidata tutorial delivered
> > today:
> >
> > on Commons:
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_Gentle_
> > Introduction_to_Wikidata_for_Absolute_Beginners_(including_
> > non-techies!).webm
> >
> > on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVrAx3AmUvA
> >
> > the slides:
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_-_A_Gentle_
> > Introduction_for_Complete_Beginners_(WMF_February_2017).pdf
> >
> > It covers what Wikidata is (00:00), how to contribute new data to
> Wikidata
> > (1:09:34), how to create an entirely new item on Wikidata (1:27:07), how
> to
> > embed data from Wikidata into pages on other wikis (1:52:54), tools like
> > the Wikidata Game (1:39:20), Article Placeholder (2:01:01), Reasonator
> > (2:54:15) and Mix-and-match (2:57:05), and how to query Wikidata
> (including
> > SPARQL examples) (starting 2:05:05).
> >
> > Share and enjoy. :)
> >
> >A.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 4:35 PM Rachel F