[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [GLAM] Possible editing outages during April

2017-02-12 Thread Pine W
Early notification about potential server ops that may result in temporary
read-only status or downtime.

Pine


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From: Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder 
Date: Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:01 PM
Subject: [GLAM] Possible editing outages during April
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This is early warning of some planned server operations, as an outage can
cause a severe disruption on a short workshop:

In April 2016, the Technology Operations team at the WMF did some work on
the servers that run Wikipedia and the other wikis.  This resulted in all
editing being stopped at all wikis for about half an hour on two different
days.

A similar project is currently expected sometime in April 2017.  I do not
have specific dates or times yet.  However, I expect the first editing
disruption to happen during the first half of April and the second to be
about two weeks afterwards.

They are hoping that the editing outages will be shorter this time (perhaps
15 to 30 minutes).  The time of day is undecided; however, it will almost
certainly be when most of the Ops staff is online (afternoon in Europe and
Africa/morning in the Americas).

Last year, the official schedule was kept at https://wikitech.wikimedia.
org/wiki/Switch_Datacenter and the same page may be used again.  *If you
are scheduling short workshops during April, then please consider checking
that schedule* or checking with me before you finalize your plans.  If you
need to reach me, then I am currently subscribed to the GLAM mailing list,
and you can always leave a note on my talk page at https://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/User_talk:Whatamidoing_(WMF)


-- 
Sherry Snyder (WhatamIdoing)
Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-02-12 Thread Anna Stillwell
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> Anna,
>
>
> > > > Generally, I am thinking about community service training across the
> >
> > > organization. I would love your help with that. I can do little about
> > the
> > > > past. I can address the future. To properly address the future, ad
> hoc
> > > and
> > > > particular solution sets won't suffice. We'll need coherent and
> general
> > > > solution sets, with enough particulars to keep the solution set
> honest.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I am not sure what you mean by "community service" here.  In the UK, it
> > is
> > > a form of punishment given to young offenders for anti-social
> > behaviour.  I
> > > assume you mean something different?
> > >
> >
> > I definitely mean something different. Thank you for the opportunity to
> > clarify. How do we engage staff in learning to interact with our
> > communities? Where are ideal opportunities for exchange (e.g., the best
> > places to collaborate) and where is collaboration least valuable,
> > potentially even disruptive? I have no answers yet.
> >
>
> I had a discussion on these matters, as I recall, with Rachel di Cerbo at
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Liaisons/Wikimania_2015
> which may provide you with some background.  I suggested some ideas about
> centralisation of discussions, machine-assisted tranlsation and other
> process-oriented points.


I will do a broad lit review when and if the time comes (on and off wiki).
If I do so, I will follow these links and read about this as part of that
broader lit review.


> Pulling back to a more cultural point, I woud
> identify three aspects that you might address.
>
> Staff must actually want to engage, to co-create and to acknowledge that
> the community is a partner in the entire enterprise.


Agreed. No argument.

But I'd like to expand your argument. I would like to add a perspective,
not subtract from yours. Our current communities are very seriously
important partners in the entire enterprise, as we are theirs. These days,
I am also thinking about future communities... new readers and new editors
in new geographies on new devices, and reading the thoughts of experts on
the evolution of platforms within the context of the evolving web.

I am also curious about the role of machines. Will they become an important
partner? I know that they say we will welcome our robot overlords. But I am
more interested in collaborating with them. Why can't humans and machines
collaborate toward social/educational goods?

Machine learning is all the rage these days. But to what end? The standard,
for-profit, big data play is to harvest and bottom feed a ton of data, run
it through a layered algorithm, and spit out "something something" to a
customer for a fee. I think they call it insight. I have a different
definition of insight. But hey, to each their own.

We don't have customers and we don't bottom feed. Two things I am proud of.
That is why I was so excited about ORES. An open, ethical, effective AI for
social impact that currently helps vandal fighters
.
More importantly, it may help with the
"revert-new-editors’-first-few-edits-and-alienate-them
problem". That's just the current capabilities of this platform.

My broader point being that I also want to think of the new stakeholders
that will join us all and how we can prepare for and welcome them into the
knowledge creating endeavor.


> Of course the
> community is not homogenous and the balance of work and responsibility is
> not identically equal in every single aspect of the enterprise.
> Nonetheless, the model of an active staff supporting and directing a
> passive community is both factually wrong and will inevitably lead to
> disaster.
>

I understand your point.

>
> One misundertood word is representation.  I believe that some staff members
> believe that they can represent the community simply by having been
> volunteers in the past, and even that they can timeshare between their
> staff and volunteer identities.  This is so far from true that it only
> needs to be articulated to be seen as incorrect – indeed, the attempt to
> split their identities may be positively dangerous to their psychological
> well-being.  The notion that only those with Wikimedia project experience
> should be hired, and that having hired such people they need no further
> contact with the community is utterly disastrous.  Those with community
> engagement responsibilities must engage, actively, and in a genuine spirit
> of enquiry.  It is not an unnecessary overhead on getting their work done,
> it is their work.
>

I don't know what staff members believe. I will investigate this when and
if I arrive at that stage of problem solving.  I understand your point.

>
> Genuine interaction on planning does not mean asking a few closed
> questions of a few 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-02-12 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Anna,


> > > Generally, I am thinking about community service training across the
>
> > organization. I would love your help with that. I can do little about
> the
> > > past. I can address the future. To properly address the future, ad hoc
> > and
> > > particular solution sets won't suffice. We'll need coherent and general
> > > solution sets, with enough particulars to keep the solution set honest.
> > >
> >
> > I am not sure what you mean by "community service" here.  In the UK, it
> is
> > a form of punishment given to young offenders for anti-social
> behaviour.  I
> > assume you mean something different?
> >
>
> I definitely mean something different. Thank you for the opportunity to
> clarify. How do we engage staff in learning to interact with our
> communities? Where are ideal opportunities for exchange (e.g., the best
> places to collaborate) and where is collaboration least valuable,
> potentially even disruptive? I have no answers yet.
>

I had a discussion on these matters, as I recall, with Rachel di Cerbo at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Liaisons/Wikimania_2015
which may provide you with some background.  I suggested some ideas about
centralisation of discussions, machine-assisted tranlsation and other
process-oriented points.  Pulling back to a more cultural point, I woud
identify three aspects that you might address.

Staff must actually want to engage, to co-create and to acknowledge that
the community is a partner in the entire enterprise.  Of course the
community is not homogenous and the balance of work and responsibility is
not identically equal in every single aspect of the enterprise.
Nonetheless, the model of an active staff supporting and directing a
passive community is both factually wrong and will inevitably lead to
disaster.

One misundertood word is representation.  I believe that some staff members
believe that they can represent the community simply by having been
volunteers in the past, and even that they can timeshare between their
staff and volunteer identities.  This is so far from true that it only
needs to be articulated to be seen as incorrect – indeed, the attempt to
split their identities may be positively dangerous to their psychological
well-being.  The notion that only those with Wikimedia project experience
should be hired, and that having hired such people they need no further
contact with the community is utterly disastrous.  Those with community
engagement responsibilities must engage, actively, and in a genuine spirit
of enquiry.  It is not an unnecessary overhead on getting their work done,
it is their work.

The WMF is distinctly less planful than I would expect.  Genuine
interaction on planning does not mean asking a few closed questions of a
few community members about which of a few predetermined options they
prefer.  It means doing a lot of work and being genuinely transparent. It
also requires internal coordination of a kind which I do not always detect
within the WMF.

Finally, the culture of complacency needs to be addressed.  Being involved
in a meritorious project does not automatically make the work done
meritorious.  Too many technical and community projects are initiated and
then allowed to drift, or fade away, after having wasted staff time (which
is donor money) and community time effort and goodwill.  The WMF cannot
afford to be as slack as this any longer.


I will look into this. I will seek to understand the Tech position on three
> questions:
>
>- What do we philosophically believe: to roadmap or not to roadmap?
>- What do we currently have in terms of planning?
>- Will that change?
>
> I’ll get back to you. It may take me until the beginning of April. It may
> be sooner, but I can’t promise anything sooner.
>

Thank you.

I received another email from another lovely wiki elf explaining to me that
> it could be seen as though I were making fun of your fictitious name. If it
> came across that way, I really do apologize. That was not my intention. I
> was not laughing at your name. What I found funny was that people had a
> series of pronunciations that were different and yet they were all sure
> that they were correct.
>

I am not at all bothered but thank you for your consideration.

"Rogol"

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Anna Stillwell 
wrote:

> Hello Rogol,
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 2:04 AM, Rogol Domedonfors 
> wrote:
>
> > Anna,
> >
> >
> > > Sometimes I wonder if hope isn’t at the base of it all. Perhaps hope is
> > > necessary but certainly not sufficient for it all to transpire. Hope is
> > not
> > > a strategy. But maybe it's a foundation.
> > >
> >
> > Certainly, but there is an old saying about "the triumph of hope over
> > experience".  The general tenor of your comments suggest that you are
> less
> > interested in learning from the past as you are planning for the
> future.  I
> > merely suggest that the two go hand in hand.
> >
>
> I 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

2017-02-12 Thread Anna Stillwell
Hello Rogol,

On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 2:04 AM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> Anna,
>
>
> > Sometimes I wonder if hope isn’t at the base of it all. Perhaps hope is
> > necessary but certainly not sufficient for it all to transpire. Hope is
> not
> > a strategy. But maybe it's a foundation.
> >
>
> Certainly, but there is an old saying about "the triumph of hope over
> experience".  The general tenor of your comments suggest that you are less
> interested in learning from the past as you are planning for the future.  I
> merely suggest that the two go hand in hand.
>

I agree with your suggestion that they go hand in hand. I think perhaps I
solve problems differently than you and I come to this conversation from a
slightly different angle. I have a question on my mind, how do we build an
org and a culture for the future? I’m scanning my environment to see what I
hear, what people are talking about. I’m reading a lot. Entertaining many
ideas. Given what I am hear, read and my specific role, where should I
focus? I am still ascertaining which issues I might take on.

Specifics, including past successes and errors, would be something that I
would investigate at a later stage. Your information is relevant to me,
just not at this stage.

What I said was,
> "I can do little about the past. I can address the future. To properly
address the future, ad hoc and particular solution sets won't suffice.
We'll need coherent and general solution sets, with enough particulars to
keep the solution set honest."

>
>
> > [stuff]]
> > I don't have time to investigate this statement and work to piece
> together
> > what happened, and since I don't have that time, I will not comment in
> any
> > way on this particular instance.
> >
>
> That is your decision, but it means that you will learn nothing from it.
>

You have such a gentle touch. :)

>
>
> > Generally, I am thinking about community service training across the
> > organization. I would love your help with that. I can do little about the
> > past. I can address the future. To properly address the future, ad hoc
> and
> > particular solution sets won't suffice. We'll need coherent and general
> > solution sets, with enough particulars to keep the solution set honest.
> >
>
> I am not sure what you mean by "community service" here.  In the UK, it is
> a form of punishment given to young offenders for anti-social behaviour.  I
> assume you mean something different?
>

I definitely mean something different. Thank you for the opportunity to
clarify. How do we engage staff in learning to interact with our
communities? Where are ideal opportunities for exchange (e.g., the best
places to collaborate) and where is collaboration least valuable,
potentially even disruptive? I have no answers yet.

>
>
> The underlying quesrion, as was sure you would have recognised, is not "Do
> you Anna Stillwell happen to know whether or not the WMF has a technical
> roadmap ..." but "Does the WMF have a technical roadmap and if so please
> will the WMF publish it."  Perhaps I failed to make that clear, and you
> were assuming I was asking a more personally specific but significantly
> less useful version.  My long-standing question, then, remains unanswered:
>
> *Does the WMF have a technical roadmap and if so please will the WMF
> publish it.*
>
>
> > If I may be so bold, it seems that your interpretation of my words lacks
> > even basic faith. It seems to be the penultimate worst possible
> > interpretation (the worst being lying, the second... evading).
> >
>
> I can only go by what I see as a pesistent refusal to address this issue
> over many weeks by multiple members of the WMF staff.
>
>
> > But your nearly automatic interpretation may point to a deeper issue. I
> > hear you saying that you don't take me at my word. That you may not take
> us
> > at our word. And I imagine that we have done some things to earn your
> > distrust. I hear you.
> >
> > But I assure you that I am telling you the truth now: I do not know.
> >
>
> Do you propose to take any steps to find out?  If you do, please will you
> let the community know?
>

I will look into this. I will seek to understand the Tech position on three
questions:

   - What do we philosophically believe: to roadmap or not to roadmap?
   - What do we currently have in terms of planning?
   - Will that change?

I'll need some time. I have a lot of work right now (that's why I write to
you on the weekends). Everybody does. I imagine you would prefer another,
more speedy option, but I do not have it right now. We’re revving up the
movement strategy and have our annual planning beginning next week. That’s
at the org level. On top of that, my agenda is past max. To get a coherent
answer and to make sure that the right hand knows what the left hand is
doing, I’ll need to speak with a number of people who may be difficult to
get time with.

I’ll get back to you. It may take me until the beginning of April. It may
be sooner, but 

[Wikimedia-l] First anniversary of Bhubaneswar WikiTungi

2017-02-12 Thread Sailesh Patnaik
Dear Friends,
On 9th February 2017, Wikipedians in Bhubaneswar celebrated the first
anniversary of Bhubaneswar WikiTungi.

WikiTungi [1] is a city based  Wikipedia community formed to help the
Wikipedians in the city to meet, share and learn. The Odia community's
WikiTungi is a based in two cities, Puri and Bhubaneswar. While Wikimedians
in Puri conduct meetups bi-monthly, Bhubaneswar Wikimedians meet once a
month. In every meetup, Wikimedians exchange their resources with each
other, helping address their doubts and queries regarding their problems
and projects.

During the first anniversary meeting of the Bhubaneswar WikiTungi,  The
community members came up with few ideas to implement it as a best practice
in the Wikipedia movement.

*The Tungi members will invite one of the global community leaders for a
Skype or hangout session.
* Discuss the best practice from the global community and discuss them with
the community.
*Updating the minutes of the meeting and sharing them with the other
community members.
*Updating the learning and evaluation team about the new learning of the
community every month.
*The community will also send Postcards as a souvenir to the participants
of the global community for the online sessions.

We invite you to join us for the hangout sessions and share your best
practice with the Tungi members[2]. Please feel free to suggest us more
ideas.

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiTungi
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiTungi#Join_Us

Thanks and Regards
---
*Sailesh Patnaik* "*ଶୈଳେଶ ପଟ୍ଟନାୟକ*"
*LinkedIn* : https://www.linkedin.com/in/sailesh-patnaik-551a10b4
*Twitter* : @saileshpat
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-12 Thread MZMcBride
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>We do not care about our own. I do acknowledge that some have other
>opinions but I do not have to respect such an opinion. The proof of the
>pudding is after all in the eating and we allowed this to happen, no sound
>came out of our community that said otherwise.

What you're saying is an example of false equivalency (in addition to
being polemical hyperbole). Putting up a site-wide advertisement is not
equivalent to caring about someone or something.

Regarding the pudding, I think the disconnect we're having is that not
everyone agrees when it's time for dessert. And even when many people do
agree that it's time for dessert, not everyone agrees with having pudding.
Or the flavor of the pudding. Or the means used to make and eat it.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-12 Thread Steinsplitter Wiki
Hi,


I agree 100% with Joseph Seddon's comment regarding the CN Banner procedure. :-)


Then, by the way:

I think Wikipedia should remain apolitical (not using wikipedia for a political 
purposes) as much as possible thus i don't think it is a good idea to set up 
such banners. We are building encyclopedia knowledge. @Gerard Meijssen: Of 
course Wikimedia/Wikipedia cares about users/staff, but political banners are 
not the best way. Telling stuff like "we do not care about our own", in the 
current context, is imho a affront for the Community and the Foundation.


Best,

Steinsplitter


Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von Bill 
Takatoshi 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Februar 2017 21:29
An: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Betreff: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

In the past two days I've been four off-list messages in response to
my request for proposed banner language, all but one from James
Salsman, who I recently defended here and who was subsequently "placed
on moderation." I asked moderator Richard Ames whether it would be
appropriate to forward his messages, and he said they should be sent
to the moderation queue. James then sent me a BCC of a very brief post
yesterday, which apparently has not yet been approved. James then sent
me, but not the list, arguments about the merits of the various
alternatives. I don't agree with the censorship, but in deference to
the moderator I am sending these links without James's commentary:

http://i.imgur.com/3Fb8Zrr.png

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8671628/national-strike-protest-president-donald-trump/

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5s6ay6/activists_call_for_a_nationwide_strike_in_protest/ddctj1h/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/31/wheres-the-best-place-to-resist-trump-at-work/

https://www.thenation.com/article/throw-sand-in-the-gears-of-everything/

Another respondent who asked that I not use their name suggested that
an effective campaign can be patterned after this recent success:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/progressive-activism-forces-uber-ceo-break-trump

Could we please have banner text proposals do NOT call for a general
strike? I am not suggesting it be ruled out, nor am I suggesting that
we not join the call. I am simply asking for discussion in the middle
ground.

-Will

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