Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Pine W
Hi Anna, Thanks for chiming in. As someone who is personally feeling a lot of strain between myself and WMF -- and I think I'm not the only one -- I would like to figure out how to do something so that all of us can get on with mission-aligned work instead of having conversations about what's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Anna Stillwell
Hello everybody, I want to thank everyone for offering their considered thoughts. I mean that genuinely. There are many legitimate views expressed in this thread, many by generous, constructive, wise, and delightful members of our communities. That's good. And I'm struggling with a process

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Code of Conduct in force?

2017-03-01 Thread Pine W
Rogol, Please don't assume that Matt thinks that the TCoC is now in effect. Try asking him, preferably on the relevant talk page. I'm well aware of the challenges with the TCoC, but let's not make it more difficult than it is already, OK? Pine On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:31 PM, Rogol

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Code of Conduct in force?

2017-03-01 Thread Peter Southwood
Try asking the community. This mailing list is a small subset of the community. Or is that a rhetorical question? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors Sent: Thursday, 02 March 2017 9:32 AM To:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Pine W
Hi Rogol, While the values changed, my understanding is that the mission statement did not. I think that the entirety of the values statement is educational read ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Values/2016_discussion/Synthesis), and I mean that mostly in a positive way. I am OK with the new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Peter Southwood
I would guess that about 90% of the donors have never been aware of the values, but have no data to support that guess. Do you have better data? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors Sent:

[Wikimedia-l] Is the Code of Conduct in force?

2017-03-01 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Matt Flaschen has declared the final amendment to the code of conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces approved and although he has not said so explicitly, I assume that his current position is that it is now in force. Even asuming that is correct, and previous consensus was against that, andI there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine, Recall that the Foundation have rewritten their values to include "we seek to continually improve ourselves, our projects, our communities, our world.", see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Values/2016_discussion/Synthesis The previous version

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Pine W
I've written several drafts today in response to this thread, all of which came out as as rather energetic. There are some reputable organizations for which I like and for which the tone of the "main page" of this report would be appropriate. WMF is not one of them. I would ask the people who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Peter Southwood
Agree that citations are needed. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Risker Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 7:51 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report" Okay,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Visiting the United States is no longer an option for many people. The current situation is absolutely not only about immigration it is also about visiting. When a nationalised person of Iranian ancestry has family in Iran. Can he or she still visit his family and come back? Can his family

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Risker
Okay, so I'll say what Sam said, except in stronger language, and with some additional emphasis. This is a very obviously liberally biased document -- and I say that as someone who lives in a country so liberal that it makes Californians look like they're still back in the early 1960s. Maybe it

[Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-01 Thread rupert THURNER
on the german wikipedia there was a poll to ban images of users who send cease and desist letters, triggered by a recent case of thomas wolf trying to charge 1200 euro out of a tiny non-profit which improperly reused one of his images [1]. thomas article work includs "improving text deserts, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2017-03-01 Thread Asaf Bartov
As promised, Gerard has been unmoderated, FYI. A. On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 11:56 AM Asaf Bartov wrote: > It's okay that some people disagree with this moderation action (others > agree, even if they do not say so on-list). This list is not moderated by >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Please explain.. To me it is not politica but Common sense. Thanks, GerardM Op wo 1 mrt. 2017 om 22:18 schreef Rogol Domedonfors It seems to be in line with the new Values statement: "we seek to continually improve ourselves, our projects, our communities,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Samuel Klein
Dear reporters, I really like the streamlined layout, the background video and the non-linear presentation online. Lovely work; you are wonderful. > If the photo remains, I recommend changing this caption to use either > "travel ban" or "entry ban"; both phrases are used in the Wikipedia >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Craig Franklin
Indeed, I have to agree too. I don't disagree with the notion that the themes covered (providing educational materials to vulnerable young people, providing our information in many languages, and are important, but the way they come across is pretty preachy and overtly political. We're not here

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Zachary McCune
Hi everyone - Zack here from the Communications team at the Foundation. I want to say some more about the theme for the Foundation’s annual report and why we picked it. We chose the theme in early October as a way to remind the world how Wikipedia works and why our movement matters. By that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Florence Devouard
Le 02/03/2017 à 01:15, Erik Moeller a écrit : On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Florence Devouard wrote: For example... the message "one in six people visited another country in 2016"... illustrated by "SeaTac Airport protest against immigration ban. Sit-in blocking arrival

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Michael Peel
Why should that feature in the WMF's annual report, though? I also agree that this has been over-politicised, whether intentionally or not. :-( Thanks, Mike > On 1 Mar 2017, at 21:13, Dan Rosenthal wrote: > > Florence -- Trump's executive orders also involved the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Florence Devouard wrote: > For example... the message "one in six people visited another country in > 2016"... illustrated by "SeaTac Airport protest against immigration ban. > Sit-in blocking arrival gates until 12 detainees at Sea-Tac are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Florence -- Trump's executive orders also involved the revocation of non-immigrant visas. I don't think the choice of picture is inappropriate at all. In fact, I think it highlights just how poorly planned and executed the executive order was in the first place. Whether the sitenotice is a good

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
Yair is right because messages like this "empower" only those who agree with them. Taking sides in the name of the Foundation, which has the money and therefore power, is not inclusive. Sent from my iPhone > On 01/03/2017, at 12:58 p.m., Yair Rand wrote: > > An

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Nathan
It's an unambiguously political statement. Not political in the sense of "everything we do is political" - but in the sense of opposing the policies of a single national government as promulgated by a head of state and supported by one political party in a deeply polarized and contentious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Florence Devouard
I must say I also find the political message behind this a bit too heavy. It lets me a bit unconfortable. That most of the themes reported here are not Mr Trump cup of tea is quite obvious. That the whole page is a message against the president, I get it. But in some cases, I think it is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
It seems to be in line with the new Values statement: "we seek to continually improve ourselves, our projects, our communities, our world". Of course that's political. "Rogol" On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > I didn't see the banner, but the page

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Lodewijk
I didn't see the banner, but the page definitely looks... 'funny'. I'm especially confused on what the purpose of the campaign/page is, even after reading the different sections. It mostly feels either like a political statement about refugees (which takes very clearly center stage) or an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 35 year copyright termination

2017-03-01 Thread James Salsman
Patrik wrote: >... I'd refer you to Loren, Building a Reliable Semicommons of > Creative Works, 14 Geo. Mason L. Rev. 271, 318-28 (2007) (arguing that > section 203 is inapplicable to CC licenses under a suggested doctrine of > limited copyright abandonment); Armstrong, Shrinking the Commons, 47

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Joseph Seddon
Hi James. You can find out more about the Endowment here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Endowment Seddon On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:54 PM, James Salsman wrote: > The statements Yair quoted are appropriate unless you believe > "empower" in the Foundation's Mission

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread James Salsman
The statements Yair quoted are appropriate unless you believe "empower" in the Foundation's Mission statement merely means "enable" or "facilitate," without regard to economic or political power, so I'm very glad to see them, as I am to see all of the eleven sections in

[Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Yair Rand
An unscheduled CentralNotice just started running, linking to a rather bizarre page [1]. Purporting to be the WMF's 2016 Annual Report, it starts off with some text about refugees. "FACT: Half of refugees are school-age", followed by some completely unencyclopedic text about the topic: "That means

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Opening the 2016 Values discussion

2017-03-01 Thread Michael Jahn
Excellent process and results. Thanks for sharing (the presentation)! Michael --- Michael Jahn Leiter Kommunikation & Partnerschaften Head of Communications & Partnerships Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 260 http://wikimedia.de

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 35 year copyright termination

2017-03-01 Thread pajz
On 28 February 2017 at 06:11, James Salsman wrote: > > 17 U.S. Code § 203 - Termination of transfers and licenses > > granted by the author > I don't usually post to this list and hope this isn't too off-topic, but, coincidentally, I've looked into that matter a bit last