Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread Anders Wennersten
This basic issue has for many years been a "hot" issue in Sweden. And the use of the words "han" (he/his) and "hon" (she/her) has become a minefield. And to use "him and her" to mean all type of persons is just not acceptable (what about all who want to use other attributes to define

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I quote: " I simply do not accept that by we are asking for the impossible on any of our projects, I never shall accept it." That is indeed your prerogative. The problem is that with such a point of view, there is not much of a discussion possible. If you want to be single issue Fae, then

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Discovery search efforts and upcoming releases

2017-04-06 Thread James Salsman
Sam, How do you feel about searching recent changes? I saw some estimates that would take a lot more effort than it would. Also, is Len Tower still in the Boston area? The more we improve the diff algorithm, the more edit conflicts we can avoid, and that's certainly worth the money, time, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Discovery search efforts and upcoming releases

2017-04-06 Thread Samuel Klein
Deb, Fantastic. Really, really great. And I don't just mean your champion footnote selection. Thanks to you and Erik for the update! SJ (still dreaming of federated search results from cousin free-knowledge projects, and public libraries near you, not just Wikimedia ones :) On Thu, Apr 6,

[Wikimedia-l] Start of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections

2017-04-06 Thread Joe Sutherland
Please accept our apologies for cross-posting this message. On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Board Elections Committee, I am pleased to announce that self-nominations are now being accepted for the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Elections.[1] The Board of Trustees (Board) is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Discovery search efforts and upcoming releases

2017-04-06 Thread Erik Bernhardson
On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Deborah Tankersley < dtankers...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hi Michael, > > It's just searching on Wikipedia for now, as the Structured Data project on > Commons is just ramping up. > > Also for some clarity, most of the improvements are not limited to wikipedias, for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Discovery search efforts and upcoming releases

2017-04-06 Thread Deborah Tankersley
Hi Michael, It's just searching on Wikipedia for now, as the Structured Data project on Commons is just ramping up. Cheers, Deb -- deb tankersley irc: debt Product Manager, Discovery Wikimedia Foundation On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Michael Maggs wrote: > Hi > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread John Erling Blad
I believe the best way to describe people is as accurately, and neutral as possible, following the grammatical and cultural rules within the community, and especially to address them as they chose themselves. Note that we use grammatical gender, we do not address people with sexual gender. On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread Risker
Thanks, Fae, for opening this thread - and thank you everyone for responding so eloquently and knowledgeably. This was a topic where I knew I didn't have sufficient knowledge to comment, and I have learned a lot from this discussion. It's a solid example of the best traits of the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [wikicite-discuss] Wikimedia and other 60+ organizations launch the Initiative for Open Citations (I4OC)

2017-04-06 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 6 April 2017 at 19:11, Dario Taraborelli wrote: > I wanted to let you know that we launched an initiative this morning called: > Initiative for Open Citations (I4OC). Wikipedia article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiative_for_Open_Citations

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Discovery search efforts and upcoming releases

2017-04-06 Thread Michael Maggs
Hi You've mentioned searching on "Wikipedia" there. Did you mean "Wikimedia", or are there still no Commons search improvements as yet? Michael Deborah Tankersley 6 April 2017 at 11:15 pm tl;dr: Search continues to expand functionality by displaying more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread
Thanks for raising the different language problems. I'm aware of it, though I only edit in English. Last weekend I was much enlightened by sitting down with a German trans contributor, who was showing me the system language problems on the German Wikipedia, and together we started having fun

[Wikimedia-l] Update on Discovery search efforts and upcoming releases

2017-04-06 Thread Deborah Tankersley
tl;dr: Search continues to expand functionality by displaying more information on the search results page Ever started searching for something on Wikipedia and wondered—*really*, is that all that there is? Does it feel like you’re somehow playing hide and seek with all the knowledge that’s out

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread John Erling Blad
Sorry to people from Bergen, girls from Bergen is masculine - "jenten". I wonder if we can blame that on the Germans, "mädchen" is neutrum, perhaps they messed up the local language during the Hansa-period. On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:49 PM, John Erling Blad wrote: > There are a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread John Erling Blad
There are a lot of languages where there are no neutral gender, or where there are a single male gender, or it can even be that the only neutral gender is used for things and animals. In German there is an expectation of gender-correct form. In Norwegian there is an expectation of a neutral form.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread Raymond Leonard
One can use "one" or "one's" to substitute in many places for 3rd person singular pronouns. Not everywhere, but it is in keeping with English grammar. Peaceray On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:35 AM, J. wrote: > Instead of: > * A photographer has to be given credit when the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2017 versus movement strategy

2017-04-06 Thread Tanel Pern
Just to add to this as someone who (also) was at the conference and participated in a few of the strategy track sessions, it would have been basically impossible to provide any more information than the conference website already provides about what took place at this session beforehand, given the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and other 60+ organizations launch the Initiative for Open Citations (I4OC)

2017-04-06 Thread Victoria Coleman
Dario and team, this is a terrific achievement. Proud to see the Foundation create transparency in citation data! All the best, Victoria > On Apr 6, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Dario Taraborelli > wrote: > > Hey all, > > I wanted to let you know that we launched an

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and other 60+ organizations launch the Initiative for Open Citations (I4OC)

2017-04-06 Thread Dario Taraborelli
Hey all, I wanted to let you know that we launched an initiative this morning called: Initiative for Open Citations (I4OC). Prior to the launch of I4OC, only 1% of scholarly papers made citation data available in the open. Today, that number has jumped to 40%. We're proud to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread J.
Instead of: * A photographer has to be given credit when the picture is used. How about: * The artist must be given attribution when an image is reused. Cheers! Wayne Calhoon (AKA Checkingfax) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread Pax Ahimsa Gethen
I support rewriting sentences rather than using "singular they" if it's straightforward enough to do so, as in Gerard's example. But yes, there are people, including myself, who are neither men nor women, and using gendered language like "he or she" leaves us out. And yes, in English "you" is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread Marco Chiesa
I kinda second this, as a non native speaker the singular they sounds awkward/confusing/wrong/whatever. Maybe something like "the person's" (I hope everyone would self-recognize in this), "one's own", no adjective at all. It's a bit hard for me to understand that some person does not self

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, As a non native English speaker, I positively hate this. When you want to say that a picture of a photographer whatever, you do not have to say "his or her", it suffices to say "when a picture of a photographer is to be used, prior permission has to be asked" or whatever. Yes, it may please

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2017 versus movement strategy

2017-04-06 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hello Hajdu, As Chris mentioned, there is a lot of documentation coming from the Wikimedia conference in Berlin. In fact, there is so much documentation that it's going to take the team a few days to digitize and publish everything. You can see some of the notes from related discussions, for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2017 versus movement strategy

2017-04-06 Thread Chris Keating
Hi Texaner, I don't think everything that WMCON is meant to be a secret! I expect/hope that we'll be hearing more about the WMCON strategy discussions quite soon - after all, WMF is being very proactive about communicating what's going on with the strategy. I can imagine that it takes a little

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread
Thanks for the examples from French and I'm sure that our experienced translators will have in mind specific best practice guides to turn to. I like your illustration of "un/une adminstra-teur-trice" to show the challenges. The use of "singular they" remains uncomfortable for many English readers,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of new Affiliations Committee advisors

2017-04-06 Thread Samuele Mantani
Congratulations ;) Samuele Il 03/Apr/2017 10:27 PM, "Kirill Lokshin" ha scritto: > Hi everyone, > > I'm very pleased to announce that the Affiliations Committee has appointed > three new advisors for the coming year: Anasuya Sengupta, Patricio Lorente, > and Ting

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2017 versus movement strategy

2017-04-06 Thread Hajdu Kálmán
Hi, There is a very active campaign for strategic conversation defining the future role of Wikimedia in the world. In the last weekend has been hold the Wikimedia Conference 2017 in Berlin. On this conference was a spacial group organized from Representatives for the Movement Strategy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of new Affiliations Committee advisors

2017-04-06 Thread Subhashish Panigrahi
Congratulations Anasuya, Patricio and Ting. So great to see you all again in different avatars. :) Subhashish On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Isla Haddow-Flood wrote: > Brilliant news!! The best of the best! > > On 4 April 2017 at 21:26, Anna Torres

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-06 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 05/04/2017 à 12:52, Fæ a écrit : > I'm taking that further by > proposing that we stick to a neutral gender for all our policies and > help pages. In practice this means that policies avoid using "he or > she" and stick to "they" or avoid using a pronoun at all. As a non native English