Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-04-13 Thread James Heilman
With respect to Pine's request for more legal support to help deal with
undisclosed paid editing issues, to that I strongly agree.

To better address these concerns we need the WMF, communities, and
affiliate organizations to collaborate. It is a difficult problem to
address.

James

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:09 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> I tend to think along James' lines more than Risker's.
>
> Responding to Risker:
>
> It seems to me that the key point that you're missing is that Burger King
> altered Wikipedia content in order to execute this campaign. This wasn't a
> simple case of an organization reusing existing Wikipedia content; the
> organization appears to have altered Wikipedia content to suit their
> purposes regardless of an obvious conflict of interest with Wikipedia's
> purpose of being an educational resource rather than an advertising
> platform.
>
> It seems to me that entities of varying sizes -- from a start-up brand that
> wants to make itself look important by having a Wikipedia article, to large
> corporations and government officials -- will continue to alter Wikipedia
> content in ways that are inappropriate and do a disservice to our readers
> (including advertising, inserting "alternative facts" for medical and
> political content, and eliminating negative information that certain people
> and organizations find inconvenient) and cost editors' and administrators'
> collective time and attention, until there is a financial price that is put
> on this kind of behavior that is large enough to deter them. I don't see
> why we should stand idly by as our products' quality and trustworthiness
> are degraded and our resources are diverted. I'm hoping that WMF's
> enforcement actions in this domain would more than pay for themselves
> through financial penalties that WMF extracts from the wrongdoers.
>
> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-04-13 Thread Pine W
I tend to think along James' lines more than Risker's.

Responding to Risker:

It seems to me that the key point that you're missing is that Burger King
altered Wikipedia content in order to execute this campaign. This wasn't a
simple case of an organization reusing existing Wikipedia content; the
organization appears to have altered Wikipedia content to suit their
purposes regardless of an obvious conflict of interest with Wikipedia's
purpose of being an educational resource rather than an advertising
platform.

It seems to me that entities of varying sizes -- from a start-up brand that
wants to make itself look important by having a Wikipedia article, to large
corporations and government officials -- will continue to alter Wikipedia
content in ways that are inappropriate and do a disservice to our readers
(including advertising, inserting "alternative facts" for medical and
political content, and eliminating negative information that certain people
and organizations find inconvenient) and cost editors' and administrators'
collective time and attention, until there is a financial price that is put
on this kind of behavior that is large enough to deter them. I don't see
why we should stand idly by as our products' quality and trustworthiness
are degraded and our resources are diverted. I'm hoping that WMF's
enforcement actions in this domain would more than pay for themselves
through financial penalties that WMF extracts from the wrongdoers.

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-13 Thread Natacha Rault
Dear Antoine, it is solvable in French and there are some very good practice 
manual online here is one from Switzerland 
https://www.unige.ch/rectorat/egalite/files/9414/0353/2732/charte_epicene_Chancelerie_guide_formulation_non_sexiste.pdf
 
.
 

You might all appreciate an English review of these themes from an academic 
perspective : http://www.fairlanguage.org/medias 


The form you cite underneath "Un/une adminstra-teur-trice » would never be 
used. One would rather write "un administrateur ou une administratrice » in 
this case. 

Kind regards,

Nattes à chat

> Le 6 avr. 2017 à 13:30, Antoine Musso  a écrit :
> 
> Le 05/04/2017 à 12:52, Fæ a écrit :
>> I'm taking that further by
>> proposing that we stick to a neutral gender for all our policies and
>> help pages. In practice this means that policies avoid using "he or
>> she" and stick to "they" or avoid using a pronoun at all. 
> 
> As a non native English speaker the use of a plural form definitely
> confuses me or at best.  The example takes a sentence from Commons:FAQ
> which roughly looks like:
> 
> A photographer has to be given credit when his or her picture is used.
> 
> With the proposal to instead:
> 
> A photographer has to be given credit when their picture is used.
> 
> Why isn't "picture" plural as well?  If using masculine as a neutral
> pronoum is the issue, just stop using the pronoum entirely. Eg one can
> instead write:
> 
> A photographer has to be given credit when the picture is used.
> 
> 
> That is going to be quite a challenge when ported to other languages.
> For 'A photographer', the english indefinite article is gender less.
> 
> In french that would be either 'un' (masculine) or 'une' (feminine).
> What some are advocating is using:
> 
>  Un/une photographe
> 
> If the noun varies as well, that becomes messy. Here for 'administrateur':
> 
> Un/une adminstra-teur-trice
> 
> That is not solvable in french and all other latin based languages most
> probably have the same issue (blame Rome!).
> 
> 
> -- 
> Antoine "hashar" Musso
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-13 Thread Natacha Rault
Hi Florence
Just a small remark : actually the message that was used in the end on the site 
notice is gender neutral, and was acceptable for all. There is sometimes a way 
out of the binary gendering in French, « nous" for example has no attributed 
gender. Using wikimedien·ne·s does not include people who do not want to be 
affiliated to any gender at all (we say a-genre in French, but I dont know the 
word in english). 
I take an example: instead of saying « lecteurs et lectrices », one can say « 
le lectorat » and nobody would even notice (even the persons opposed to the 
feminization of titles). Now here there was a big debate on Theresa May’s 
 page, and in the end one can read 
now « première ministre » which is probably one of the first time the community 
voted in this direction (with lots and lots go heated debates).
The French community is not as irrational about neutral gender as it used to 
be, that’s for sure. 
So I would not be as pessimist as you are actually, the French community is not 
used to using gender neutral language but there are examples of it. See for 
example there for the next Wikiconvention  
where the 
term « participant·e·s » shows up in the first page…
Kind regards, 
Nattes à chat



> Le 7 avr. 2017 à 21:58, Florence Devouard  a écrit :
> 
> A couple of weeks ago, I was asked - in my capacity of meta admin - to change 
> the phrasing of a site notice on meta, meant to call for participation to the 
> month of Francophonie.
> 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Centralnotice-template-WikiFranca_MC17=prev=16482259
> 
> The sentence of the call in the site notice was in language neutral 
> terminology.
> 
> "les Wikimédien.nes" instead of the more traditionnal but non neutral "les 
> Wikimédiens".
> 
> That phrasing raised an uproar on the French pump. So I replaced the term by 
> "nous" (we). Seems to settle things.
> 
> Clearly the French speaking community is not ready to adopt the gender 
> neutral specific language accross the francophones projects. Alternatives 
> (such as the "we") are possible but not always.
> 
> Florence
> 
> 
> 
> Le 06/04/2017 14:58, Fæ a écrit :
>> Thanks for the examples from French and I'm sure that our experienced
>> translators will have in mind specific best practice guides to turn
>> to. I like your illustration of "un/une adminstra-teur-trice" to show
>> the challenges. The use of "singular they" remains uncomfortable for
>> many English readers, but it has become a recommended standard for
>> journalists writing in English.[1]
>> 
>> Once the principle of gender neutrality is agreed, I just don't know
>> what our next steps will turn out to be for non-English versions.
>> However I am much encouraged by the positive views on Commons, and I'm
>> hopeful we can, and should, find a way to set a better example for our
>> fellow projects in our aim to feel welcoming for all contributors. :-)
>> 
>> Links
>> 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Fae
>> Wikimedia LGBT+
>> 
>> On 6 April 2017 at 12:30, Antoine Musso  wrote:
>>> Le 05/04/2017 à 12:52, Fæ a écrit :
  I'm taking that further by
 proposing that we stick to a neutral gender for all our policies and
 help pages. In practice this means that policies avoid using "he or
 she" and stick to "they" or avoid using a pronoun at all.
>>> 
>>> As a non native English speaker the use of a plural form definitely
>>> confuses me or at best.  The example takes a sentence from Commons:FAQ
>>> which roughly looks like:
>>> 
>>> A photographer has to be given credit when his or her picture is used.
>>> 
>>> With the proposal to instead:
>>> 
>>> A photographer has to be given credit when their picture is used.
>>> 
>>> Why isn't "picture" plural as well?  If using masculine as a neutral
>>> pronoum is the issue, just stop using the pronoum entirely. Eg one can
>>> instead write:
>>> 
>>> A photographer has to be given credit when the picture is used.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That is going to be quite a challenge when ported to other languages.
>>> For 'A photographer', the english indefinite article is gender less.
>>> 
>>> In french that would be either 'un' (masculine) or 'une' (feminine).
>>> What some are advocating is using:
>>> 
>>>   Un/une photographe
>>> 
>>> If the noun varies as well, that becomes messy. Here for 'administrateur':
>>> 
>>>  Un/une adminstra-teur-trice
>>> 
>>> That is not solvable in french and all other latin based languages most
>>> probably have the same issue (blame Rome!).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Antoine "hashar" Musso
>> 
> 
> 
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2017-04-13 Thread Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-13 Thread Subhashish Panigrahi
The Odia-language itself is gender neutral though we have some
gender-specific pronouns. So we never worried about these issues. :)

Subhashish

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Amir E. Aharoni <
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

> Mmmm, the Hebrew Wikipedia has been gender-neutral for at least eight years
> :)
>
> So Commons is not exactly the first project to do this.
>
>
> בתאריך 12 באפר׳ 2017 10:14 AM,‏ "Fæ"  כתב:
>
> I am delighted to say that Wikimedia Commons is today the /first/
> project to have an official Gender-neutral language policy for its
> policies and help pages, so that the project is a welcoming
> environment for all. Thanks to everyone that took part in the
> discussions and vote!
>
> * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Use_of_gender_
> neutral_language
> *
>
> The proposal was an unplanned outcome from the WM-LGBT+ user group
> taking part in this year's Wikimedia Conference in Berlin, part of all
> the creative discussions that go on when so many international
> Wikimedians get together.
>
> If you missed it, the English Wikipedia has an ongoing 'lively'
> Request for Comment for its own Gender-neutral policy for policies,
> see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/RFC_GNL
>
> Thanks
> Fae
> Wikmedia LGBT+ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT+
> https://telegram.me/wmlgbt
>
> On 8 April 2017 at 14:04, Gnangarra  wrote:
> > I beg to differ with Anders final comment;
> >
> >>
> >> And our standpoint is that we as Wikipedians should not be first in
> >> introducing new use of language but wait until it has become mainstream
> (if
> >> it ever will be)
> >
> >
> > I have no issue within our policies and projects being a leader the use
> of
> > neutral language that encompasses all equally because neutrality is one
> of
> > the key pillars of the community.  We can and must do better to ensure
> that
> > everyone has the ability to contribute on an equal basis.
> >
> > If a language doesnt have a gender neutral way to express an individual
> > then we should be encouraging speakers to find alternative ways which can
> > best express our neutral position
> >
> > On 8 April 2017 at 20:32, Fæ  wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for the French experience. :-) You may not have picked up on
> >> the specific comment about the French Wikipedia a few days ago in the
> >> general Wikimedia Commons Village Pump discussion:[1]
> >>
> >> "* Total Support. This is not only useful to the trans community, but
> >> in the case of French, it is more inclusive for women also, as the
> >> French (I'm writing French and this does not mean francophone) have
> >> the disastrous tendency to masculinize everything pretending this is
> >> the way the french grammar addresses "gender neutrality in French". I
> >> would really like us to reflect on writing a best practice manual for
> >> all those who want to have an inclusive language (coupled with a non
> >> violent communication guide for online practices). Actually on the
> >> French wikipedia, most pronouns are in the masculine form even on talk
> >> / user / help pages, and when one raises the issue, one gets insults
> >> and very silly remarks. --Nattes à chat"
> >>
> >> It is sad to see that the local community has difficulty staying
> >> respectful or even civil when these gender related discussions arise,
> >> and should be a welcoming and open debate about the facts for modern
> >> language usage. There are no easy solutions, apart from persisting,
> >> keeping the topic on our agenda, and gradually educating where we can,
> >> even though this gets very tiring for our best volunteers!
> >>
> >> The French Wikipedia is not alone, and I have been told over the last
> >> week of exactly the same problem of "silly comments" on the German
> >> Wikipedia, and my experience with raising a Request for Comment
> >> yesterday on the English Wikipedia[2] is that discussions on this do
> >> include critical views being expressed, which is okay, in a
> >> disrespectful way, which is definitely not okay! It's a shame that
> >> even some administrators will defend intentionally disrespectful
> >> comments as so-called "free speech", rather than a breach of our
> >> civility policies or the basic WMF terms of use for our websites.[3]
> >>
> >> P.S. Florence, your email gets automatically put in spam when using
> >> Google's email system. I'm not even sure how to stop that happening
> >> for yahoo addresses to this list.
> >>
> >> Links
> >> 1. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#
> >> Defaulting_to_gender_neutral_language_in_policies_and_help_pages
> >> 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/RFC_GNL
> >> 3. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Fae
> >>
> >> On 7 April 2017 at 20:58, Florence Devouard  wrote:
> >> > A couple of weeks ago, I was asked - in my capacity of meta admin - to
> >> > change the phrasing of a site