Right. "Let's take all of the bad takes on how Wikipedia, incentives, and
decentralized production work, pile them onto a raft made of Ether and
magnesium, and float into the future!"
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:06 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> Advertising-funded Wikipedia that
On the subject of Jimbo being exempt from term limits, my belief is that
Jimbo's seat should become a standard community-chosen seat, and no one
should be exempt from term limits. I am particularly mindful of the
governance problems that have happened while Jimbo has been on the WMF
Quick, non-neutral comments on the article, abridged for people on the go:
>> Wikipedia is the sixth most visited website in the world. Therefore,
Lunyr sees the potential revenue from advertising on its platform at a very
Of course, nobody has ever thought of planting ads on a Top
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Fæ wrote:
> because the new company "will compete for staff, stories and
> donations". Will you be resigning from the WMF board of trustees
I hope not. I hardly see a conflict of loyalties; to the extent there is
an overlap of
Congratulations, welcome to the affiliates.
Hope we can work on projects and contribute together.
Hugs from Brazil,
User Group Wikimedia Comunity Brasil
Em 26 de abr de 2017 00:51, "Anna Torres" escreveu:
Welcome to the Wikimedia movement!
Welcome to the Wikimedia movement!
Can't wait to start working with you!!
Hugs from Argentina!
2017-04-26 0:25 GMT-03:00 Kirill Lokshin :
> Hi everyone!
> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> the Wikimedians of Peru User Group
I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
the Wikimedians of Peru User Group  as a Wikimedia User Group. The
group will work to promote the Wikimedia projects in Peru, and plans to
support events, such as edit-a-thons, in the region.
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> When individuals are discredited in this way, your option, you are judging
> these people. That is in my opinion a mistake. You may judge a situation
> and determine because of what you consider your
Along with the public announcement to the press about Wikitribune, was
the story that you had immediately resigned from The Guardian's board
because the new company "will compete for staff, stories and
donations". Will you be resigning from the WMF board of trustees
To clarify, when we talk about resolving a compliance issue, what we mean
-- in most cases -- is producing the reports, records, or similar artifacts
that were required by a particular legal agreement, rather than effecting a
change in the status of the affected group. For example,
On 26 April 2017 at 02:31, Kirill Lokshin wrote:
> Having said that, there are certain issues that can prevent a smooth
> transition from a chapter to a user group. In particular, any individuals
> considered to have personal responsibility for an
On 26 April 2017 at 00:06, David Gerard wrote:
> Advertising-funded Wikipedia that micropays participants from
> advertising revenue, on the Ethereum blockchain! The important bit is
> to give them startup money.
> "Lunyr: Decentralized Wikipedia on the blockchain"
Nowhere in my last three e-mails did I imply that the process was arbitrary or
unfair. I have expressed in both my correspondence to this list AND to my
private correspondence with the parties involved that it is your prerogative to
determine our status or not. That’s fine and
I have a question: the news about pending Chinese "supply-side structural
reforms" is almost all about matching supply to demand; for example see
But if you look at pp. 42 and 63 here, you see the proposaled legislative
Advertising-funded Wikipedia that micropays participants from
advertising revenue, on the Ethereum blockchain! The important bit is
to give them startup money.
"Lunyr: Decentralized Wikipedia on the blockchain"
On 25 April 2017 at 22:59, Jimmy Wales wrote:
> Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia activities,
> to combat fake news. It is important to me that I share directly with
> all of you information about this new initiative early on.
I was one of
Thank you for your mail to this list; I saw the announcement earlier this
day and read the Wikitribune.com website, watched the video, and also read
a newspaper article. Honestly, I am still not quite sure whether I
understood fully what Wikitribune is supposed to be. :-)
- What is
Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia activities,
to combat fake news. It is important to me that I share directly with
all of you information about this new initiative early on.
The new project will use a wiki-style setup and experiment with
bringing together professional
When individuals are discredited in this way, your option, you are judging
these people. That is in my opinion a mistake. You may judge a situation
and determine because of what you consider your responsibility to either
accept or no longer accept the existence of a chapter, whatever entity.
Considering the purpose of wikidata, it might make sense for it to have
somewhat different rules also. Unlike Wikipedia, it is a directory
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 12:56 PM, James Heilman wrote:
For a long time, we saw a few chapters with too little or no activity in
the movement and their recognition was kept in spite of it. I saw that and
it bothered me a little but not so much so I didn't say something about it.
Last year, AffCom started to do what it have to be done (better late than
[This is likely my last update here until after the study is done and we
have results to share.]
Thank you for all the responses on and off-list and the work some of you
have already started doing. :) We have requests by 10 more languages
alternative is in place. So sister projects do have similar restrictions on
undisclosed paid editing.
Different projects of course have varied
User groups are, indeed, a more "light-weight" model of affiliation, with
significantly fewer compliance requirements -- at least for groups which
are unincorporated and do not receive significant grants -- and the
Affiliations Committee has, in the past, encouraged chapters struggling
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Gnangarra wrote:
> I look at the current processes around affiliates thats made it a longer
> journey for any group to become a chapter, but once there it appears rather
> to not take that way in reverse. Maybe the process could be
Running a "user group" is much less bureaucratic overhead. Can WMPH not
just rejoin the movement as that? When the capacity to return to chapter
status develops the group can than apply for chapter status.
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 5:17 AM, Josh Lim wrote:
Thank you Kirill that is a lot clearer and answers sufficiently most of my
To me this process and these announcements(Philippines and Hong Kong) have
been distasteful in the harshness of the language being used, while such
formal language is necessary and appropriate for the official
We are, as a movement, remarkably forgiving of things like missed
deadlines, incomplete reports, and other compliance issues that, in a
different environment, might be regarded with rather more severity. This
is, I think, as it should be; we are, for the most part, volunteers --
I agree wholeheartedly with Vito. Thank you for bringing up this issue.
Wikidata is part of the umbrella group of Wikimedia projects. Wikipedia has
strict rules governing paid editing (at least in EN), and these rules are
not even the same across different language editions.
Most of the other
First of all, I'm not blaming anyone. I'm merely stating what is our position:
that is, that we've been dealing with our issues to the best of our ability.
That said, I'm sorry, but I will not tolerate being told that I am "misleading"
the movement by telling people what we've done to get
The de-recognition notice was sent on February 26 to WMPH. If you read the
original email sent, it clearly says that on September 9, 2016, Wikimedia
Philippines was notified of their suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate, and
given a deadline to correct a list of issues, which was not met. The
I joined AffCom in 2015, at that time the issue with Wikimedia
Philippines was already on the table. The AffCom and the WMF had tried
two years to get a settlement without a de-recognition with them.
Meanwhile it is 2017, I don't believe Josh could resolve the problem in
In the original email from Josh he raises some points about still working
to address the issues in the five hours between his email and your response
which have occurred between 9pm and 2am in San Francisco it appears that it
could not be possible for the WMF to have considered and refuted what
I think that the biggest misunderstanding is in the acronym because in the
page the Phil-community uses the acronym of WMPH which seems more connected
to WM Philippines instead of PH-WC.
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Maor Malul wrote:
It was indeed a hard decision, but like you say, disclosing details may
avoid rumours and drama, which probably cause more damage to the
movement. We'll raise your observation with the WMF and see if that can
implemented. Anyway, I also hope no more affiliates have to be
We currently have some mean to fight paid editing, terms of services are
"easy to violate" thus giving us a straightforward way to take action. But
too often I see something like: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16826370
obvious paid editors left totally free to do their job without even
The wikimedians from the Phillippines that attended the WMCON are /not
/members of WMPH but of PhilWiki Community , which is a completely
different Wikimedia affiliate.
If you read the original e-mail sent, the governance issues started to
appear in 2014, and the chapter was
It appears to me as this discussion has caused some confusion and it should
be clarified as I know that the Philippines had two members at the recent
Wikimedia Conference in Berlin arent there reporting requirements attached
to eligibility requirements. They are also part of the group organising
Hello dear all,
we try, and some times try very very hard to be nice and to protect
other people. But the world is some times not nice and some times really
really bad things happen. Just for the next time (and there will be next
times coming), my suggestion for the WMF and also for other
The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further details of
the very serious governance issues in order not to hurt the movement and
the reputation of the people involved. Please, avoid misleading and
adding drama to this situation -which is already difficult, and
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