Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia, right, but on the blockchain

2017-04-25 Thread Samuel Klein
Right. "Let's take all of the bad takes on how Wikipedia, incentives, and decentralized production work, pile them onto a raft made of Ether and magnesium, and float into the future!" On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:06 PM, David Gerard wrote: > Advertising-funded Wikipedia that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread Pine W
On the subject of Jimbo being exempt from term limits, my belief is that Jimbo's seat should become a standard community-chosen seat, and no one should be exempt from term limits. I am particularly mindful of the governance problems that have happened while Jimbo has been on the WMF Board, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia, right, but on the blockchain

2017-04-25 Thread Andy Cruz y Corro
Quick, non-neutral comments on the article, abridged for people on the go: >> Wikipedia is the sixth most visited website in the world. Therefore, Lunyr sees the potential revenue from advertising on its platform at a very high level. Of course, nobody has ever thought of planting ads on a Top

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread Samuel Klein
Fae. On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Fæ wrote: > > because the new company "will compete for staff, stories and > donations".[1] Will you be resigning from the WMF board of trustees > I hope not. I hardly see a conflict of loyalties; to the extent there is an overlap of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Peru User Group

2017-04-25 Thread Chico Venancio
Congratulations, welcome to the affiliates. Hope we can work on projects and contribute together. Hugs from Brazil, Chico Venancio User Group Wikimedia Comunity Brasil Em 26 de abr de 2017 00:51, "Anna Torres" escreveu: Welcome to the Wikimedia movement! Can't wait

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Peru User Group

2017-04-25 Thread Anna Torres
Welcome to the Wikimedia movement! Can't wait to start working with you!! Hugs from Argentina! 2017-04-26 0:25 GMT-03:00 Kirill Lokshin : > Hi everyone! > > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized > the Wikimedians of Peru User Group

[Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Peru User Group

2017-04-25 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Hi everyone! I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized the Wikimedians of Peru User Group [1] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group will work to promote the Wikimedia projects in Peru, and plans to support events, such as edit-a-thons, in the region. Please join

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > When individuals are discredited in this way, your option, you are judging > these people. That is in my opinion a mistake. You may judge a situation > and determine because of what you consider your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread
Hi Jimmy, Along with the public announcement to the press about Wikitribune, was the story that you had immediately resigned from The Guardian's board because the new company "will compete for staff, stories and donations".[1] Will you be resigning from the WMF board of trustees because the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Hi Craig, To clarify, when we talk about resolving a compliance issue, what we mean -- in most cases -- is producing the reports, records, or similar artifacts that were required by a particular legal agreement, rather than effecting a change in the status of the affected group. For example,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Craig Franklin
Hi Kirill, On 26 April 2017 at 02:31, Kirill Lokshin wrote: > > Having said that, there are certain issues that can prevent a smooth > transition from a chapter to a user group. In particular, any individuals > considered to have personal responsibility for an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia, right, but on the blockchain

2017-04-25 Thread geni
On 26 April 2017 at 00:06, David Gerard wrote: > Advertising-funded Wikipedia that micropays participants from > advertising revenue, on the Ethereum blockchain! The important bit is > to give them startup money. > > "Lunyr: Decentralized Wikipedia on the blockchain" >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Josh Lim
Hi Kirill, Nowhere in my last three e-mails did I imply that the process was arbitrary or unfair. I have expressed in both my correspondence to this list AND to my private correspondence with the parties involved that it is your prerogative to determine our status or not. That’s fine and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread James Salsman
I have a question: the news about pending Chinese "supply-side structural reforms" is almost all about matching supply to demand; for example see http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-01/22/c_136004899.htm But if you look at pp. 42 and 63 here, you see the proposaled legislative reforms are

[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia, right, but on the blockchain

2017-04-25 Thread David Gerard
Advertising-funded Wikipedia that micropays participants from advertising revenue, on the Ethereum blockchain! The important bit is to give them startup money. "Lunyr: Decentralized Wikipedia on the blockchain"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread David Gerard
On 25 April 2017 at 22:59, Jimmy Wales wrote: > Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia activities, > to combat fake news. It is important to me that I share directly with > all of you information about this new initiative early on. I was one of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Jimmy, Thank you for your mail to this list; I saw the announcement earlier this day and read the Wikitribune.com website, watched the video, and also read a newspaper article. Honestly, I am still not quite sure whether I understood fully what Wikitribune is supposed to be. :-) - What is

[Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread Jimmy Wales
Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia activities, to combat fake news. It is important to me that I share directly with all of you information about this new initiative early on. The new project will use a wiki-style setup and experiment with bringing together professional

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When individuals are discredited in this way, your option, you are judging these people. That is in my opinion a mistake. You may judge a situation and determine because of what you consider your responsibility to either accept or no longer accept the existence of a chapter, whatever entity.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-04-25 Thread David Goodman
Considering the purpose of wikidata, it might make sense for it to have somewhat different rules also. Unlike Wikipedia, it is a directory On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 12:56 PM, James Heilman wrote: > The terms of use as explained on meta apply to all projects unless an >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Lucas Teles
For a long time, we saw a few chapters with too little or no activity in the movement and their recognition was kept in spite of it. I saw that and it bothered me a little but not so much so I didn't say something about it. Last year, AffCom started to do what it have to be done (better late than

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why We Read Wikipedia in your language

2017-04-25 Thread Leila Zia
Hi all, [This is likely my last update here until after the study is done and we have results to share.] Thank you for all the responses on and off-list and the work some of you have already started doing. :) We have requests by 10 more languages

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-04-25 Thread James Heilman
The terms of use as explained on meta apply to all projects unless an alternative is in place. So sister projects do have similar restrictions on undisclosed paid editing. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use#4._Refraining_from_Certain_Activities Different projects of course have varied

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Kirill Lokshin
User groups are, indeed, a more "light-weight" model of affiliation, with significantly fewer compliance requirements -- at least for groups which are unincorporated and do not receive significant grants -- and the Affiliations Committee has, in the past, encouraged chapters struggling with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Gnangarra wrote: > > I look at the current processes around affiliates thats made it a longer > journey for any group to become a chapter, but once there it appears rather > to not take that way in reverse. Maybe the process could be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread James Heilman
Running a "user group" is much less bureaucratic overhead. Can WMPH not just rejoin the movement as that? When the capacity to return to chapter status develops the group can than apply for chapter status. James On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 5:17 AM, Josh Lim wrote: > First

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Gnangarra
Thank you Kirill that is a lot clearer and answers sufficiently most of my concerns. To me this process and these announcements(Philippines and Hong Kong) have been distasteful in the harshness of the language being used, while such formal language is necessary and appropriate for the official

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Josh, We are, as a movement, remarkably forgiving of things like missed deadlines, incomplete reports, and other compliance issues that, in a different environment, might be regarded with rather more severity. This is, I think, as it should be; we are, for the most part, volunteers -- often

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-04-25 Thread Gabriel Thullen
I agree wholeheartedly with Vito. Thank you for bringing up this issue. Wikidata is part of the umbrella group of Wikimedia projects. Wikipedia has strict rules governing paid editing (at least in EN), and these rules are not even the same across different language editions. Most of the other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Josh Lim
First of all, I'm not blaming anyone. I'm merely stating what is our position: that is, that we've been dealing with our issues to the best of our ability.   That said, I'm sorry, but I will not tolerate being told that I am "misleading" the movement by telling people what we've done to get

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Maor Malul
The de-recognition notice was sent on February 26 to WMPH. If you read the original email sent, it clearly says that on September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate, and given a deadline to correct a list of issues, which was not met. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Gnangarra, I joined AffCom in 2015, at that time the issue with Wikimedia Philippines was already on the table. The AffCom and the WMF had tried two years to get a settlement without a de-recognition with them. Meanwhile it is 2017, I don't believe Josh could resolve the problem in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Gnangarra
In the original email from Josh he raises some points about still working to address the issues in the five hours between his email and your response which have occurred between 9pm and 2am in San Francisco it appears that it could not be possible for the WMF to have considered and refuted what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I think that the biggest misunderstanding is in the acronym because in the page the Phil-community uses the acronym of WMPH which seems more connected to WM Philippines instead of PH-WC. Kind regards On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Maor Malul wrote: > Hello, > > The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Maor Malul
Thanks Ting, It was indeed a hard decision, but like you say, disclosing details may avoid rumours and drama, which probably cause more damage to the movement. We'll raise your observation with the WMF and see if that can implemented. Anyway, I also hope no more affiliates have to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-04-25 Thread Vi to
We currently have some mean to fight paid editing, terms of services are "easy to violate" thus giving us a straightforward way to take action. But too often I see something like: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16826370 obvious paid editors left totally free to do their job without even attracting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Maor Malul
Hello, The wikimedians from the Phillippines that attended the WMCON are /not /members of WMPH but of PhilWiki Community [1], which is a completely different Wikimedia affiliate. If you read the original e-mail sent, the governance issues started to appear in 2014, and the chapter was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Gnangarra
It appears to me as this discussion has caused some confusion and it should be clarified as I know that the Philippines had two members at the recent Wikimedia Conference in Berlin arent there reporting requirements attached to eligibility requirements. They are also part of the group organising

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, we try, and some times try very very hard to be nice and to protect other people. But the world is some times not nice and some times really really bad things happen. Just for the next time (and there will be next times coming), my suggestion for the WMF and also for other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-25 Thread Maor Malul
Hello Josh, The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further details of the very serious governance issues in order not to hurt the movement and the reputation of the people involved. Please, avoid misleading and adding drama to this situation -which is already difficult, and