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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Peru User Group

2017-04-26 Thread Jorge Vargas

¡Felicitaciones! Que buena noticia. :)

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Biyanto Rebin <
biyanto.re...@wikimedia.or.id> wrote:

> Congratulations Peruvian Wikimedians :)
>
> Pada tanggal 27 Apr 2017 07.56, "Johnattan Rupire" 
> menulis:
>
> > Its a very good news! let's keep doing activities, thank you all!
> > :)
> >
> > El 26/04/17 a las 12:46, Joseph Dess Mura escribió:
> >
> > Thanks for the especial and constantly support, Edgar, in order to
> forming
> > and helping the creation of this user group :)
> >
> > El abr 26, 2017 12:29 PM, "Edgar José Rosero Villacís" <
> > ejroser...@gmail.com> escribió:
> >
> >> We at Ecuador are happy that our neighbors finally got recognized. We're
> >> grateful that our efforts in helping their community to figure out ways
> to
> >> develop their user group have turned into this. Congratulations,
> >> Wikimedistas de Perú!
> >>
> >> 2017-04-26 6:30 GMT-05:00 Kangah Donatien KOFFI <
> donatien.ka...@gmail.com
> >> >:
> >>
> >>> A good news after de-recognition.
> >>>
> >>> Welcome,
> >>>
> >>> 2017-04-26 3:25 GMT+00:00 Kirill Lokshin :
> >>>
>  Hi everyone!
> 
>  I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
>  recognized the Wikimedians of Peru User Group [1] as a Wikimedia User
>  Group.  The group will work to promote the Wikimedia projects in Peru,
>  and plans to support events, such as edit-a-thons, in the region.
> 
>  Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> 
>  Regards,
>  Kirill Lokshin
>  Chair, Affiliations Committee
> 
>  [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedistas_de_Perú
> 
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> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> *Donatien Kangah*
> >>> Wikimédien| Chef de Projets| Entrepreneur Social | Consultant Formateur
> >>> Numérique
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> *Edgar J. Rosero Villacís*
> >> Móvil: (+593) 96 934 4829 <+593%2096%20934%204829>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Peru User Group

2017-04-26 Thread Biyanto Rebin

Congratulations Peruvian Wikimedians :)

Pada tanggal 27 Apr 2017 07.56, "Johnattan Rupire" 
menulis:

> Its a very good news! let's keep doing activities, thank you all!
> :)
>
> El 26/04/17 a las 12:46, Joseph Dess Mura escribió:
>
> Thanks for the especial and constantly support, Edgar, in order to forming
> and helping the creation of this user group :)
>
> El abr 26, 2017 12:29 PM, "Edgar José Rosero Villacís" <
> ejroser...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> We at Ecuador are happy that our neighbors finally got recognized. We're
>> grateful that our efforts in helping their community to figure out ways to
>> develop their user group have turned into this. Congratulations,
>> Wikimedistas de Perú!
>>
>> 2017-04-26 6:30 GMT-05:00 Kangah Donatien KOFFI > >:
>>
>>> A good news after de-recognition.
>>>
>>> Welcome,
>>>
>>> 2017-04-26 3:25 GMT+00:00 Kirill Lokshin :
>>>
 Hi everyone!

 I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
 recognized the Wikimedians of Peru User Group [1] as a Wikimedia User
 Group.  The group will work to promote the Wikimedia projects in Peru,
 and plans to support events, such as edit-a-thons, in the region.

 Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!

 Regards,
 Kirill Lokshin
 Chair, Affiliations Committee

 [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedistas_de_Perú

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>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Wikimédien| Chef de Projets| Entrepreneur Social | Consultant Formateur
>>> Numérique
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Móvil: (+593) 96 934 4829 <+593%2096%20934%204829>
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia Chile Board

2017-04-26 Thread Andy Cruz y Corro

Mucho éxito y abrazos desde México!

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Marco Correa  wrote:

> [Sorry for crossposting]
>
> Hi,
>
> Last Saturday Wikimedia Chile held their Annual General Assembly where a
> new Board was elected. I'm glad to announce you the brand new board of our
> Chapter, composed of 6 members, of which 3 are new.
>
> - Marco Correa, President.
> - Rocío Consales, Vicepresident.
> - Carlos Figueroa, Secretary.
> - Osmar Valdebenito, Treasurer.
> - Dennis Tobar, Member.
> - Claudio Loader, Member.
>
> Our former Board members Sarah Chambers, Juan David Ruiz and Eduardo
> Testart were not running for a new term. We are very grateful for their
> service these years, specially of Juan David and Eduardo, both Board
> members since the beginning of our Chapter.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> *Marco Correa Pérez*
> President - Wikimedia Chile
> http://www.wikimediachile.cl
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will you be at the WMF mothership Wednesday evening?

2017-04-26 Thread Asaf Bartov

(Such a list exists and is regularly used, including by Wayne. He just made
a mistake in addressing this announcement this time.)

  A.

On Apr 26, 2017 11:31, "Tomasz Ganicz"  wrote:

> Well... If you buy me a ticket from Warsaw to SF I can consider to visit
> you :-)
>
> Seriously speaking - I suggest to establish local E-mail list for SF
> located folks for such announcements :-) Wikimedia-l is global list.
>
>
>
> 2017-04-26 8:27 GMT+02:00 J. :
>
> > Please join us in downtown San Francisco in you are at the Wikimedia
> > Foundation mothership!
> >
> > The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather for
> the
> > '''Bay Area WikiSalon''' series to collaborate, mingle, and learn about
> new
> > projects and ideas.
> >
> > We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles.
> Newcomers
> > and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is
> > available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages
> (including
> > beer and wine) plus light snacks.
> >
> > We will have some announcements and lightning talks from the floor, and a
> > breakout session. This is our one year anniversary, so there will be
> cake!
> >
> > Please RSVP here:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bay_Area_WikiSalon_April_2017
> >
> > ... and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. This also
> > helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in. If you do not
> have
> > time to RSVP, go ahead and crash the gates and Stephen will get you in!
> >
> > See you soon! {{u|Checkingfax}} (Wayne) and {{u|Ben Creasy}}
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] General Counsel: Welcome Eileen Hershenov

2017-04-26 Thread Samuel Klein

Welcome Eileen, I wish you every success.
And tremendous love and thanks to Michelle, for all of your help and
inspiration.-Sam

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:

> 2017-04-26 15:33 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher :
>
> > Michelle
>
>
> Michelle was one of my personally favourite employees of WMF with which I
> had occasion to meet face to face - so I wish her great continuation of her
> carrier somewhere else and be missing her.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] General Counsel: Welcome Eileen Hershenov

2017-04-26 Thread Dan Rosenthal

Michelle is beyond amazing, end of story. Best of luck to the new incoming
GC, and hope she can fill the very big shoes.

-Dan

Dan Rosenthal

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Philippe Beaudette 
wrote:

> For nearly a decade, I worked (sometimes closely, sometimes not as closely)
> with Michelle Paulson.  She dazzled me with her brilliance and her care for
> Wikimedia and Wikimedians around the globe.  Anytime that I needed someone
> to fight with me because a Wikimedian was in some way threatened, I never
> had to check - because I knew that Michelle was either there ahead of me,
> or right besides me.
>
> She is unwavering in her care for Wikimedians - she feels that calling very
> deeply.  Wikimedia owes much to her.
>
> But speaking personally, I've seen the toll that it took on her, and I've
> felt a touch of it myself.  Michelle - go take a good long break.  You've
> earned it.  Well done, my friend.  Well done.
>
> philippe
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Tomasz Ganicz 
> wrote:
>
> > 2017-04-26 15:33 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher :
> >
> > > Michelle
> >
> >
> > Michelle was one of my personally favourite employees of WMF with which I
> > had occasion to meet face to face - so I wish her great continuation of
> her
> > carrier somewhere else and be missing her.
> >
> > Hopefully, our new General Counsel will be even better.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] General Counsel: Welcome Eileen Hershenov

2017-04-26 Thread Philippe Beaudette

For nearly a decade, I worked (sometimes closely, sometimes not as closely)
with Michelle Paulson.  She dazzled me with her brilliance and her care for
Wikimedia and Wikimedians around the globe.  Anytime that I needed someone
to fight with me because a Wikimedian was in some way threatened, I never
had to check - because I knew that Michelle was either there ahead of me,
or right besides me.

She is unwavering in her care for Wikimedians - she feels that calling very
deeply.  Wikimedia owes much to her.

But speaking personally, I've seen the toll that it took on her, and I've
felt a touch of it myself.  Michelle - go take a good long break.  You've
earned it.  Well done, my friend.  Well done.

philippe

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:

> 2017-04-26 15:33 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher :
>
> > Michelle
>
>
> Michelle was one of my personally favourite employees of WMF with which I
> had occasion to meet face to face - so I wish her great continuation of her
> carrier somewhere else and be missing her.
>
> Hopefully, our new General Counsel will be even better.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Rogol Domedonfors

Jimmy

I support this suggestion.  The Wikitribune trademark is assigned to Jimmy
Group Ltd, a company in which all the shares are owned by you – it is a
conventional commercial operation of which you are the owner.  Its
activities directly overlap with one of the Foundations projects, Wikinews,
and with the news-gathering aspects of Wikipedia, which have been the
subject of much WMF publicity in recent months.  Consequently, it is in
direct competition with the Foundation for donor money and volunteer time.
It is simply untenable for you to be a trustee of the Foundation while you
are the owner and director of a competing commercial operation.

"Rogol"

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Fæ  wrote:

> Hi Jimmy,
>
> Along with the public announcement to the press about Wikitribune, was
> the story that you had immediately resigned from The Guardian's board
> because the new company "will compete for staff, stories and
> donations".[1] Will you be resigning from the WMF board of trustees
> because the Wikitribune commercial venture is a conflict of loyalties?
>
> This seems like an issue that the revitalized Wikimedia Foundation
> Board Governance Committee should make an independent statement about,
> considering the unique nature of your permanent unelected seat as a
> WMF trustee?[2]
>
> For the record, it is worth noting that in February 2016,[3] your
> conflict of loyalties between being the successful owner of the Wikia
> commercial venture, and holding a permanent seat on the board of the
> Wikimedia Foundation was raised as a discussion topic on this list.
> Wikia has never been publicly declared by the WMF board as a possible
> conflict of interest, despite a history of staff migrating directly
> from WMF to Wikia, and the obvious reputational benefits to Wikia from
> having their owner sitting on the WMF board. In fact apart from
> denying the possibility that this was an issue with your statement "I
> have always declared, formally and in writing, my role at Wikia. I
> have additionally worked to make sure that all board members know
> about it, and I have on multiple occasions recused myself from votes
> where there could be a perceived or actual conflict of interest", you
> refused properly to engage further with discussing this potential
> conflict of loyalties in 2016, nor did you supply any evidence of a
> formal declaration apart from your email, nor has it ever been
> declared in the public minutes of WMF board meetings as an interest if
> you have recused from votes or strategic discussion at your meetings
> as a trustee; though SJ confirmed that he thought you had declared
> this as an interest in past board meetings, presumably this was
> mistakenly and unfortunately left out of the minutes each time it
> happened.
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
>
> Links:
> 1. "Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales exits Guardian board over
> conflict of interest with Wikitribune news site"
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/04/25/wikipedia-
> co-founder-jimmy-wales-exits-guardian-board-conflict/
> 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> Board_Governance_Committee
> 3. "Jimmy Wales' potential conflict of loyalties for Wikia Inc. versus
> WMF" https://lists.gt.net/wiki/foundation/685587
>
> On 25 April 2017 at 22:59, Jimmy Wales  wrote:
> >
> > Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia activities,
> > to combat fake news. It is important to me that I share directly with
> > all of you information about this new initiative early on.
> >
> > The new project  will use a wiki-style setup and experiment with
> > bringing together professional journalists and community contributors to
> > produce fact-checked, global news stories.  At launch, we'll be using a
> > hacked version of wordpress and we'll be evaluating whether that's the
> > right tool moving forward.  Wordpress has a lot to
> > commend it (free software, mature platform, used by lots of newsrooms,
> > active developer ecosystem) but also has some philosophy that's quite
> > "top down" in a way.
> > (Not many people would think in a wiki way when setting up a newsroom!)
> >
> > This new initiative, Wikitribune, will be a learning experience - my
> > vision is one that I've had a hard time explaining... except to
> > Wikimedians who tend to immediately
> > get it.
> >
> > While I am launching this project independent from Wikipedia and the
> > Wikimedia Foundation, it is my plan that this new project will work
> > alongside Wikimedia in the free knowledge movement. For example, I hope
> > that the numerous Wikinews/Wikinoticias/Wikinotizie/etc. communities can
> > collaborate with the  Wikitribune community in way that allows both to
> > learn and benefit from each other. Additionally, Wikitribune will
> > utilize the same Creative Commons license (CC-BY) as other free content
> > projects in
> > the news space - so they can take the stories written by our
> > professional

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Andrew Lih

Thanks for the reminder about that message, I had actually forgotten about
it.
-Andrew


On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Andrea Zanni 
wrote:

> Last time I remember we had a discussion¹ was September 2011 (!):
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-
> September/thread.html
>
> There are several threads worth revisiting:
> I was looking for an old-but-great Andrew Lih's post about Wikinews², and I
> re-discovered that a project had forkedfrom Wikinews in 2011³: it was
> called the http://theopenglobe.org, and (spoiler) it's now dead.
>
> Generally speaking, I think that Jimmy experimenting with another project
> speaks volume:
> and I do think it's a good idea.
>
> Simply put, we have a lot of zombie projects, and we¹ never had the will to
> do the tough decision
> of killing them... *or* really investing in them.
> At the moment, the actual policy with sister projects (all of them, minus
> Wikidata), is
> "don't ask don't tell".
>
> The communities do what they can, and what they cannot do they don't.
> There is no non-volunteer development, and even no knowledge about sister
> projects, both within the WMF and the rest of the movement. Wikipedians
> rarely go in sister projects.
>
> I really hope this Strategy process will be seen by the larger community as
> the right chance to discuss all this. A lot of strategy statements go into
> the direction "collect/provide all written and oral knowledge ever
> produced", which is more or less our vision, and this is why we thought to
> create non-encyclopedic projects in the first place (a image archive; a
> library; a dictionary; a quote compendium; etc.).
>
> It's probably time that we have this conversation.
>
> Aubrey
> (your friendly occasional Nemo)
> Wikisource Community User Group
>
>
> 
> ¹ meaning, *we* that live on these mailing lists
> ² this:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-
> September/068381.html
> ³
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-
> September/068290.html
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Ariel Glenn WMF 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jimmy,
> >
> > The articles I've read on the new venture have been like appetizers,
> > providing just enough information to generate a new list of questions.
> :-)
> > So, in no particular order, here are some things that came to mind:
> >
> > Will the focus be investigative journalism, or "deep dives" in the manner
> > of newsdeeply.com, or breaking news, or something else?
> >
> > AIUI, fact-checking will be done by community volunteers in the
> > collaborative manner of Wikipedia; will they flag information that they
> > consider to be problematic, annotate draft news articles with comments
> and
> > questions, revise drafts themselves,...?
> >
> > The website shows an initial goal of ten journalists to be hired; does
> this
> > include copy editors as well?  And more generally, how will copy editing
> be
> > handled?
> >
> > With what frequency do you envision news to be published, e.g. a weekly
> > magazine, a daily feed of several short pieces and one feature article,
> > ...?
> >
> > Who will have access to journalists' notes and other raw materials?  How
> > will sources be protected while permitting maximum participation of
> > community volunteers in the vetting/fact-checking process?  Will there be
> > provision for leakers, i.e. some sort of SecureDrop thing?  If so, how
> will
> > that be handled?
> >
> > Will guides be produced around vetting of information, like e.g. the
> guide
> > at verificationhandbook.com?  More generally, how will community members
> > learn vetting and verification skills for journalism?
> >
> > How will good-faith disputes around fact-checking be resolved and by
> whom?
> > How will trolls be handled?
> >
> > Will Wikitribune journalists collaborate with other groups doing
> > like-minded work, for example bellingcat.com?
> >
> > I gather that there are developers working on this project too, at least
> on
> > wordpress hacking; are they also part of the crowdfunding?  More
> generally,
> > is budget/staffing information available or will it be soon?
> >
> > What roles will the four named advisors play in this project, with their
> > specific skillsets?
> >
> > In an ever shrinking paid market for journalism, where funding is harder
> > and harder to come by and many publications have closed their doors or
> > turned digital-only, what are your thoughts about competing in that
> market,
> > both as a job provider and potentially taking subscribers from other
> media?
> >
> > Please feel free to ramble on at length about these topics as much as you
> > like; I'm interested in the broader picture and not just the specific
> > details :-)
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
> > Ariel
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Jimmy Wales 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Samuel Klein

To the initial thread:

Jimbo, Thanks for sharing this, and good luck with the project. Do you see
WikiTribune collaborating with De Correspondent and other
reader-collaborative news efforts? How are you thinking about the topic
selection, and work in various languages? Are you focusing more on
investigating the unknown, or clarifying messy current events where
'reliable sources' are dominated by rumor and propaganda?

SJ

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Jimmy Wales 
wrote:

>
> Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia activities,
> to combat fake news. It is important to me that I share directly with
> all of you information about this new initiative early on.
>
> The new project  will use a wiki-style setup and experiment with
> bringing together professional journalists and community contributors to
> produce fact-checked, global news stories.  At launch, we'll be using a
> hacked version of wordpress and we'll be evaluating whether that's the
> right tool moving forward.  Wordpress has a lot to
> commend it (free software, mature platform, used by lots of newsrooms,
> active developer ecosystem) but also has some philosophy that's quite
> "top down" in a way.
> (Not many people would think in a wiki way when setting up a newsroom!)
>
> This new initiative, Wikitribune, will be a learning experience - my
> vision is one that I've had a hard time explaining... except to
> Wikimedians who tend to immediately
> get it.
>
> While I am launching this project independent from Wikipedia and the
> Wikimedia Foundation, it is my plan that this new project will work
> alongside Wikimedia in the free knowledge movement. For example, I hope
> that the numerous Wikinews/Wikinoticias/Wikinotizie/etc. communities can
> collaborate with the  Wikitribune community in way that allows both to
> learn and benefit from each other. Additionally, Wikitribune will
> utilize the same Creative Commons license (CC-BY) as other free content
> projects in
> the news space - so they can take the stories written by our
> professional journalists and communities and make use of them.
>
> You can find out more information about Wikitribune at:
> https://www.wikitribune.com
>
> Thank you for your time and I'm happy to answer questions!  (But I'm
> quite swamped with everything at the moment so please forgive me if I
> answer in bursts!)
>
> --Jimbo
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Yaroslav Blanter

For Wikivoyage in 2012, there were two factors which contributed to the
increase of editing activity:

1) Greater visibility as a WMF project;

2) Moving to a new platform without advertisements (I for one joined it at
the very first day it moved for exactly this reason).

However, concerning the readership, the English Wikivoyage still suffers
because seacrh engines think it is a clone of Wikitravel and do not show
it. Nobody knows what to do with that. Other language editions have less of
this problem.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Erik Zachte  wrote:

> For those who don't know, the jump in active wikis in Wikivoyage is when
> we forked and adopted the Wikitravel project.
> Edits before 2013 were not done under our umbrella.
>
> @SJ, there is no trend chart for 'active wikis' in 'Other projects', as
> those are not a homogeneous group.
>
> But for wiki specific trends in that group see
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/ReportCardTopWikis.htm
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Samuel Klein
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 17:55
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!
>
> Interesting, thanks Erik.  I like those views!
>
> The jump in Wikivoyage activity in 2013 is telling: public attention to
> projects has a tremendous difference in their ability to attract and keep
> dedicated long-term contributors.
>
> That's one of the only times we've had a set of big public news items and
> discussions about a sister project, in a decade.  [It would be nice to see
> similar charts for commons/wikidata/wikispecies; those generally had less
> dramatic / more niche public attention, and mainly around their founding.]
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Erik Zachte 
> wrote:
>
> > Here is a high level Wikistats page on how our projects fared in terms
> > of active wikis.
> > https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ProjectTrendsActiveWikis.html
> >
> > Erik Zachte
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of Alessandro Marchetti
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 13:01
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!
> >
> > So we are talking about dead/small projects now? I work on many of
> > them and I think that what WMF is mainly rationalization. It's not
> > about just turning them off but merging, interacting or rebranding many
> times. IMHO.
> > The problem are both the few user active on them which are proud and
> > they want to loose their "little space" and the snob attitude of users
> > on big wikipedias. Such a pity, there is plenty of room for
> > improvement once you go beyond the simplest black/white scenario. I
> > guess people just need time to think of the platform as an ecosystem,
> > where really few things needs to be removed, whilst it does require
> > flexibility to integrate and rethink them. I hope new generation of
> users will help us in going that directions.
> > i am still wondering why we don't have a unified cross-language
> > platform for some of them yet. I don't care if in 2003 or 2004 someone
> > was unable to understand English... we had commons, wikidata, SUL...
> > seriously talk to newbies and get over it. I am not citing any
> > platform specifically here, just to avoid long mails defending the
> > status quo. Let's leave colonel Kurtz in the jungle, he will get tired
> one day.
> > But about wikinews for example, I make interviews on itwikinews. Not
> > recently, but I have a long list of option when i have more time. I
> > link them to the articles, they looks fine as an integration. Also
> > they are a wonderful way to establish different connections. So sad
> > noone uses it, because they could. The news part has low activity, but
> > for example it still attracts new young users. One of the most
> > motivated young WMI members comes from the "poor" itwikinews. He's
> > very young yet he organized an event, specifically in an area where
> > wiki.activities were missing since a decade. Without the freedom of
> > wikinews, he would have needed much time to get the same level of
> > confidence. I don't think that itwikipedia users understand these
> > aspects, do they? So can you find me a replacement for that? And
> > please notice, i am not defending my little garden here, I just work
> > there sometimes and I see things that are useful to preserve. Can you do
> it somehow, while closing it? That's what I need to know.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Il Mercoledì 26 Aprile 2017 12:16, David Gerard
> >  ha scritto:
> >
> >
> >  On 26 April 2017 at 09:23, Andrea Zanni 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Last time I remember we had a discussion¹ was September 2011 (!):
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/th
> > > re
> > > ad.html
> >
> >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Erik Zachte

For those who don't know, the jump in active wikis in Wikivoyage is when we 
forked and adopted the Wikitravel project.
Edits before 2013 were not done under our umbrella.

@SJ, there is no trend chart for 'active wikis' in 'Other projects', as those 
are not a homogeneous group.

But for wiki specific trends in that group see 
https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/ReportCardTopWikis.htm

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of 
Samuel Klein
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 17:55
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

Interesting, thanks Erik.  I like those views!

The jump in Wikivoyage activity in 2013 is telling: public attention to 
projects has a tremendous difference in their ability to attract and keep 
dedicated long-term contributors.

That's one of the only times we've had a set of big public news items and 
discussions about a sister project, in a decade.  [It would be nice to see 
similar charts for commons/wikidata/wikispecies; those generally had less 
dramatic / more niche public attention, and mainly around their founding.]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Erik Zachte  wrote:

> Here is a high level Wikistats page on how our projects fared in terms 
> of active wikis.
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ProjectTrendsActiveWikis.html
>
> Erik Zachte
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On 
> Behalf Of Alessandro Marchetti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 13:01
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!
>
> So we are talking about dead/small projects now? I work on many of 
> them and I think that what WMF is mainly rationalization. It's not 
> about just turning them off but merging, interacting or rebranding many 
> times. IMHO.
> The problem are both the few user active on them which are proud and 
> they want to loose their "little space" and the snob attitude of users 
> on big wikipedias. Such a pity, there is plenty of room for 
> improvement once you go beyond the simplest black/white scenario. I 
> guess people just need time to think of the platform as an ecosystem, 
> where really few things needs to be removed, whilst it does require 
> flexibility to integrate and rethink them. I hope new generation of users 
> will help us in going that directions.
> i am still wondering why we don't have a unified cross-language 
> platform for some of them yet. I don't care if in 2003 or 2004 someone 
> was unable to understand English... we had commons, wikidata, SUL... 
> seriously talk to newbies and get over it. I am not citing any 
> platform specifically here, just to avoid long mails defending the 
> status quo. Let's leave colonel Kurtz in the jungle, he will get tired one 
> day.
> But about wikinews for example, I make interviews on itwikinews. Not 
> recently, but I have a long list of option when i have more time. I 
> link them to the articles, they looks fine as an integration. Also 
> they are a wonderful way to establish different connections. So sad 
> noone uses it, because they could. The news part has low activity, but 
> for example it still attracts new young users. One of the most 
> motivated young WMI members comes from the "poor" itwikinews. He's 
> very young yet he organized an event, specifically in an area where 
> wiki.activities were missing since a decade. Without the freedom of 
> wikinews, he would have needed much time to get the same level of 
> confidence. I don't think that itwikipedia users understand these 
> aspects, do they? So can you find me a replacement for that? And 
> please notice, i am not defending my little garden here, I just work 
> there sometimes and I see things that are useful to preserve. Can you do it 
> somehow, while closing it? That's what I need to know.
>
>
>
>
>
> Il Mercoledì 26 Aprile 2017 12:16, David Gerard 
>  ha scritto:
>
>
>  On 26 April 2017 at 09:23, Andrea Zanni  wrote:
>
> > Last time I remember we had a discussion¹ was September 2011 (!):
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/th
> > re
> > ad.html
>
>
> Everyone interested in Wikified news should read the Wikinews threads 
> in that page.
>
> That's where the complaint that Wikinews is process-heavy comes from.
> But it really isn't process-heavy at all, if you look at the actual 
> process. The blocker appears to have been insufficient or careless 
> reviewers. (Japan getting a new Prime Minister apparently not being 
> relevant to Wikinews because the sources weren't in English.)
>
> You'll also see numbers as to why it looks like a dead project from 
> any reasonable outside perspective.
>
>
> - d.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Samuel Klein

Interesting, thanks Erik.  I like those views!

The jump in Wikivoyage activity in 2013 is telling: public attention to
projects has a tremendous difference in their ability to attract and keep
dedicated long-term contributors.

That's one of the only times we've had a set of big public news items and
discussions about a sister project, in a decade.  [It would be nice to see
similar charts for commons/wikidata/wikispecies; those generally had less
dramatic / more niche public attention, and mainly around their founding.]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Erik Zachte  wrote:

> Here is a high level Wikistats page on how our projects fared in terms of
> active wikis.
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ProjectTrendsActiveWikis.html
>
> Erik Zachte
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Alessandro Marchetti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 13:01
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!
>
> So we are talking about dead/small projects now? I work on many of them
> and I think that what WMF is mainly rationalization. It's not about just
> turning them off but merging, interacting or rebranding many times. IMHO.
> The problem are both the few user active on them which are proud and they
> want to loose their "little space" and the snob attitude of users on big
> wikipedias. Such a pity, there is plenty of room for improvement once you
> go beyond the simplest black/white scenario. I guess people just need time
> to think of the platform as an ecosystem, where really few things needs to
> be removed, whilst it does require flexibility to integrate and rethink
> them. I hope new generation of users will help us in going that directions.
> i am still wondering why we don't have a unified cross-language platform
> for some of them yet. I don't care if in 2003 or 2004 someone was unable to
> understand English... we had commons, wikidata, SUL... seriously talk to
> newbies and get over it. I am not citing any platform specifically here,
> just to avoid long mails defending the status quo. Let's leave colonel
> Kurtz in the jungle, he will get tired one day.
> But about wikinews for example, I make interviews on itwikinews. Not
> recently, but I have a long list of option when i have more time. I link
> them to the articles, they looks fine as an integration. Also they are a
> wonderful way to establish different connections. So sad noone uses it,
> because they could. The news part has low activity, but for example it
> still attracts new young users. One of the most motivated young WMI members
> comes from the "poor" itwikinews. He's very young yet he organized an
> event, specifically in an area where wiki.activities were missing since a
> decade. Without the freedom of wikinews, he would have needed much time to
> get the same level of confidence. I don't think that itwikipedia users
> understand these aspects, do they? So can you find me a replacement for
> that? And please notice, i am not defending my little garden here, I just
> work there sometimes and I see things that are useful to preserve. Can you
> do it somehow, while closing it? That's what I need to know.
>
>
>
>
>
> Il Mercoledì 26 Aprile 2017 12:16, David Gerard 
> ha scritto:
>
>
>  On 26 April 2017 at 09:23, Andrea Zanni  wrote:
>
> > Last time I remember we had a discussion¹ was September 2011 (!):
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/thre
> > ad.html
>
>
> Everyone interested in Wikified news should read the Wikinews threads in
> that page.
>
> That's where the complaint that Wikinews is process-heavy comes from.
> But it really isn't process-heavy at all, if you look at the actual
> process. The blocker appears to have been insufficient or careless
> reviewers. (Japan getting a new Prime Minister apparently not being
> relevant to Wikinews because the sources weren't in English.)
>
> You'll also see numbers as to why it looks like a dead project from any
> reasonable outside perspective.
>
>
> - d.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] General Counsel: Welcome Eileen Hershenov

2017-04-26 Thread Tomasz Ganicz

2017-04-26 15:33 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher :

> Michelle


Michelle was one of my personally favourite employees of WMF with which I
had occasion to meet face to face - so I wish her great continuation of her
carrier somewhere else and be missing her.

Hopefully, our new General Counsel will be even better.








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Re: [Wikimedia-l] General Counsel: Welcome Eileen Hershenov

2017-04-26 Thread Lane Rasberry

Hello,

Eileen has been a great support to me at Consumer Reports in doing
Wikimedia projects with in New York City.  Many Wikimedia community members
take for granted that organizations can easily engage in Wikimedia
projects, but actually, if an organization attempts a collaboration with
Wikipedia then all sorts of unexpected challenges arise. I think that it is
great that the Wikimedia Foundation is taking a lawyer who has seen the
other side and knows what it is like to be in an organization which wishes
to do things on-wiki, but encounters barriers and has many questions.

Eileen's essential help with Wikipedia at Consumer Reports has been my
major interaction with her but I know her to be well regarded from many
perspectives. I am thrilled that the WMF has brought on someone with a long
history of advocacy in consumer nonprofit media and whose values match
those of the Wikimedia community as I understand it.

Best wishes -


-- 
*Lane Rasberry*
Wikipedian in Residence
Consumer Reports
lrasbe...@consumer.org
(914) 378-2684
Cr.org


On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Katherine Maher 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am writing to share some news about the leadership of our Legal
> department at the Wikimedia Foundation. Over the last eight months, we’ve
> worked to identify a permanent General Counsel for the Wikimedia
> Foundation. I am delighted to share that we have found a new General
> Counsel, Eileen Hershenov.  I am sad to say that our respected colleague
> and friend Michelle Paulson has decided this is a good time to move on to
> something new.
>
> *Michelle moving on*
>
> Michelle Paulson, who has been serving as interim General Counsel, has
> decided that after nine years it is time to move on from the Wikimedia
> Foundation. Michelle has made her mark here: she served as interim General
> Counsel twice; created our legal fellowship program, pushed to make key
> policies more user-friendly and aligned with our core values; protected the
> office, organization, and volunteers from threats; helped built a new
> Foundation public policy program; vigorously and passionately defended the
> privacy and security of our users; advocated for truly inclusive policies
> and recruiting practices; and acted as a steadfast voice and advocate for
> the values which make our movement possible.
>
> Michelle’s brilliance, humor, professionalism, and determination have
> fundamentally shaped our organization and movement. We will miss her
> immensely, and I look forward to seeing what she will achieve in the name
> of justice, equity, openness, and opportunity.
>
> *Eileen Hershenov joining our movement*
>
> Today I would like to introduce you to Eileen Hershenov, who will join us
> as General Counsel on May 8th.
>
> Eileen has nearly 30 years of experience in media and intellectual property
> law, as well as in civil rights and civil liberties law, not-for-profit law
> and governance, and privacy and cyber-security. She is passionately
> committed to values that make our movement possible: free expression,
> access to knowledge, freedom of association and an internet that embodies
> the open-source movement and that resists censorship and surveillance.
> Throughout her career, she has applied these values to her work with a
> unique focus on grassroots organizing and advocacy.
>
> Previously, Eileen served as Vice President and General Counsel for
> Consumers Union, the not-for-profit publisher of Consumer Reports magazine
> and ConsumerReports.org, for 10 years. In that role, she worked with tens
> of thousands of volunteers in the organization’s advocacy programs. Before
> Consumer Reports she spent 11 years at the Open Society Foundations, where
> she served as the General Counsel to the global foundation network,
> overseeing the legal work of the foundations in close to 40 countries
> across the globe.
>
> Eileen was also the founding general counsel for the Central European
> University,[1] the first U.S.-accredited liberal arts university located in
> a former Communist country. She has worked for the American Civil Liberties
> Union and the NOW Legal Defense Fund. Most recently, she has been working
> at Miller Korzenik Sommers Rayman LLP, a media law firm, and serving on the
> boards of a number of public interest justice organizations.
>
> *Next steps*
>
> Eileen is based in New York City, and will relocate to San Francisco with
> her family this summer. Until then, she will be commuting to the office
> starting in May to begin work with the Legal team.
>
> Transitions can feel uncertain, but I know that this movement is one that
> is welcoming and appreciative of what new colleagues bring to our efforts.
> We had hoped Michelle would stay with us as Deputy General Counsel, but
> after nine years I think we all can appreciate the desire for a wikibreak
> (and rumors of a new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] General Counsel: Welcome Eileen Hershenov

2017-04-26 Thread Bobby Shabangu

Congrats and Welcome to Eileen Hershenov!

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Katherine Maher 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am writing to share some news about the leadership of our Legal
> department at the Wikimedia Foundation. Over the last eight months, we’ve
> worked to identify a permanent General Counsel for the Wikimedia
> Foundation. I am delighted to share that we have found a new General
> Counsel, Eileen Hershenov.  I am sad to say that our respected colleague
> and friend Michelle Paulson has decided this is a good time to move on to
> something new.
>
> *Michelle moving on*
>
> Michelle Paulson, who has been serving as interim General Counsel, has
> decided that after nine years it is time to move on from the Wikimedia
> Foundation. Michelle has made her mark here: she served as interim General
> Counsel twice; created our legal fellowship program, pushed to make key
> policies more user-friendly and aligned with our core values; protected the
> office, organization, and volunteers from threats; helped built a new
> Foundation public policy program; vigorously and passionately defended the
> privacy and security of our users; advocated for truly inclusive policies
> and recruiting practices; and acted as a steadfast voice and advocate for
> the values which make our movement possible.
>
> Michelle’s brilliance, humor, professionalism, and determination have
> fundamentally shaped our organization and movement. We will miss her
> immensely, and I look forward to seeing what she will achieve in the name
> of justice, equity, openness, and opportunity.
>
> *Eileen Hershenov joining our movement*
>
> Today I would like to introduce you to Eileen Hershenov, who will join us
> as General Counsel on May 8th.
>
> Eileen has nearly 30 years of experience in media and intellectual property
> law, as well as in civil rights and civil liberties law, not-for-profit law
> and governance, and privacy and cyber-security. She is passionately
> committed to values that make our movement possible: free expression,
> access to knowledge, freedom of association and an internet that embodies
> the open-source movement and that resists censorship and surveillance.
> Throughout her career, she has applied these values to her work with a
> unique focus on grassroots organizing and advocacy.
>
> Previously, Eileen served as Vice President and General Counsel for
> Consumers Union, the not-for-profit publisher of Consumer Reports magazine
> and ConsumerReports.org, for 10 years. In that role, she worked with tens
> of thousands of volunteers in the organization’s advocacy programs. Before
> Consumer Reports she spent 11 years at the Open Society Foundations, where
> she served as the General Counsel to the global foundation network,
> overseeing the legal work of the foundations in close to 40 countries
> across the globe.
>
> Eileen was also the founding general counsel for the Central European
> University,[1] the first U.S.-accredited liberal arts university located in
> a former Communist country. She has worked for the American Civil Liberties
> Union and the NOW Legal Defense Fund. Most recently, she has been working
> at Miller Korzenik Sommers Rayman LLP, a media law firm, and serving on the
> boards of a number of public interest justice organizations.
>
> *Next steps*
>
> Eileen is based in New York City, and will relocate to San Francisco with
> her family this summer. Until then, she will be commuting to the office
> starting in May to begin work with the Legal team.
>
> Transitions can feel uncertain, but I know that this movement is one that
> is welcoming and appreciative of what new colleagues bring to our efforts.
> We had hoped Michelle would stay with us as Deputy General Counsel, but
> after nine years I think we all can appreciate the desire for a wikibreak
> (and rumors of a new puppy!). In the meantime, Eileen and Michelle are
> working together to ensure that we have a smooth transition and no balls
> get dropped. I am so grateful to Michelle for her generosity of time,
> attention, and care in working to make sure this transition supports the
> Legal team, the Foundation, and the movement.
>
> We will publish a formal public announcement closer to Eileen’s first day.
> Until then, please join me in welcoming Eileen and thanking Michelle for
> her years of commitment to our movement.
>
> Yours,
> Katherine
>
> --
> Katherine Maher
>
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>
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[Wikimedia-l] General Counsel: Welcome Eileen Hershenov

2017-04-26 Thread Katherine Maher

Hi all,

I am writing to share some news about the leadership of our Legal
department at the Wikimedia Foundation. Over the last eight months, we’ve
worked to identify a permanent General Counsel for the Wikimedia
Foundation. I am delighted to share that we have found a new General
Counsel, Eileen Hershenov.  I am sad to say that our respected colleague
and friend Michelle Paulson has decided this is a good time to move on to
something new.

*Michelle moving on*

Michelle Paulson, who has been serving as interim General Counsel, has
decided that after nine years it is time to move on from the Wikimedia
Foundation. Michelle has made her mark here: she served as interim General
Counsel twice; created our legal fellowship program, pushed to make key
policies more user-friendly and aligned with our core values; protected the
office, organization, and volunteers from threats; helped built a new
Foundation public policy program; vigorously and passionately defended the
privacy and security of our users; advocated for truly inclusive policies
and recruiting practices; and acted as a steadfast voice and advocate for
the values which make our movement possible.

Michelle’s brilliance, humor, professionalism, and determination have
fundamentally shaped our organization and movement. We will miss her
immensely, and I look forward to seeing what she will achieve in the name
of justice, equity, openness, and opportunity.

*Eileen Hershenov joining our movement*

Today I would like to introduce you to Eileen Hershenov, who will join us
as General Counsel on May 8th.

Eileen has nearly 30 years of experience in media and intellectual property
law, as well as in civil rights and civil liberties law, not-for-profit law
and governance, and privacy and cyber-security. She is passionately
committed to values that make our movement possible: free expression,
access to knowledge, freedom of association and an internet that embodies
the open-source movement and that resists censorship and surveillance.
Throughout her career, she has applied these values to her work with a
unique focus on grassroots organizing and advocacy.

Previously, Eileen served as Vice President and General Counsel for
Consumers Union, the not-for-profit publisher of Consumer Reports magazine
and ConsumerReports.org, for 10 years. In that role, she worked with tens
of thousands of volunteers in the organization’s advocacy programs. Before
Consumer Reports she spent 11 years at the Open Society Foundations, where
she served as the General Counsel to the global foundation network,
overseeing the legal work of the foundations in close to 40 countries
across the globe.

Eileen was also the founding general counsel for the Central European
University,[1] the first U.S.-accredited liberal arts university located in
a former Communist country. She has worked for the American Civil Liberties
Union and the NOW Legal Defense Fund. Most recently, she has been working
at Miller Korzenik Sommers Rayman LLP, a media law firm, and serving on the
boards of a number of public interest justice organizations.

*Next steps*

Eileen is based in New York City, and will relocate to San Francisco with
her family this summer. Until then, she will be commuting to the office
starting in May to begin work with the Legal team.

Transitions can feel uncertain, but I know that this movement is one that
is welcoming and appreciative of what new colleagues bring to our efforts.
We had hoped Michelle would stay with us as Deputy General Counsel, but
after nine years I think we all can appreciate the desire for a wikibreak
(and rumors of a new puppy!). In the meantime, Eileen and Michelle are
working together to ensure that we have a smooth transition and no balls
get dropped. I am so grateful to Michelle for her generosity of time,
attention, and care in working to make sure this transition supports the
Legal team, the Foundation, and the movement.

We will publish a formal public announcement closer to Eileen’s first day.
Until then, please join me in welcoming Eileen and thanking Michelle for
her years of commitment to our movement.

Yours,
Katherine

-- 
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Wikimedia Foundation
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San Francisco, CA 94105

+1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
+1 (415) 712 4873
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Erik Zachte

Here is a high level Wikistats page on how our projects fared in terms of 
active wikis.
https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ProjectTrendsActiveWikis.html

Erik Zachte

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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

So we are talking about dead/small projects now? I work on many of them and I 
think that what WMF is mainly rationalization. It's not about just turning them 
off but merging, interacting or rebranding many times. IMHO. The problem are 
both the few user active on them which are proud and they want to loose their 
"little space" and the snob attitude of users on big wikipedias. Such a pity, 
there is plenty of room for improvement once you go beyond the simplest 
black/white scenario. I guess people just need time to think of the platform as 
an ecosystem, where really few things needs to be removed, whilst it does 
require flexibility to integrate and rethink them. I hope new generation of 
users will help us in going that directions. i am still wondering why we don't 
have a unified cross-language platform for some of them yet. I don't care if in 
2003 or 2004 someone was unable to understand English... we had commons, 
wikidata, SUL... seriously talk to newbies and get over it. I am not citing any 
platform specifically here, just to avoid long mails defending the status quo. 
Let's leave colonel Kurtz in the jungle, he will get tired one day.
But about wikinews for example, I make interviews on itwikinews. Not recently, 
but I have a long list of option when i have more time. I link them to the 
articles, they looks fine as an integration. Also they are a wonderful way to 
establish different connections. So sad noone uses it, because they could. The 
news part has low activity, but for example it still attracts new young users. 
One of the most motivated young WMI members comes from the "poor" itwikinews. 
He's very young yet he organized an event, specifically in an area where 
wiki.activities were missing since a decade. Without the freedom of wikinews, 
he would have needed much time to get the same level of confidence. I don't 
think that itwikipedia users understand these aspects, do they? So can you find 
me a replacement for that? And please notice, i am not defending my little 
garden here, I just work there sometimes and I see things that are useful to 
preserve. Can you do it somehow, while closing it? That's what I need to know.

Il Mercoledì 26 Aprile 2017 12:16, David Gerard  ha 
scritto:

 On 26 April 2017 at 09:23, Andrea Zanni  wrote:

> Last time I remember we had a discussion¹ was September 2011 (!):
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/thre
> ad.html

Everyone interested in Wikified news should read the Wikinews threads in that 
page.

That's where the complaint that Wikinews is process-heavy comes from.
But it really isn't process-heavy at all, if you look at the actual process. 
The blocker appears to have been insufficient or careless reviewers. (Japan 
getting a new Prime Minister apparently not being relevant to Wikinews because 
the sources weren't in English.)

You'll also see numbers as to why it looks like a dead project from any 
reasonable outside perspective.

- d.

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[Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia Chile Board

2017-04-26 Thread Marco Correa

[Sorry for crossposting]

Hi,

Last Saturday Wikimedia Chile held their Annual General Assembly where a
new Board was elected. I'm glad to announce you the brand new board of our
Chapter, composed of 6 members, of which 3 are new.

- Marco Correa, President.
- Rocío Consales, Vicepresident.
- Carlos Figueroa, Secretary.
- Osmar Valdebenito, Treasurer.
- Dennis Tobar, Member.
- Claudio Loader, Member.

Our former Board members Sarah Chambers, Juan David Ruiz and Eduardo
Testart were not running for a new term. We are very grateful for their
service these years, specially of Juan David and Eduardo, both Board
members since the beginning of our Chapter.

Sincerely,

*Marco Correa Pérez*
President - Wikimedia Chile
http://www.wikimediachile.cl
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-26 Thread Gnangarra

We dont blame a life saver for attempting to rescue and resuscitate a
person who is drowning

At the end of a community groups life its the very people we want to step
up are the ones who end up in the positions of responsibility as they
endeavor to save that which has great significance to them.  Its normal for
those who cause the issues and failed to meet the requirements to have
abandoned the community, thus the process holds the wrong people
accountable.  It also places an unfair expectation on these people who wont
have sufficient knowledge nor the resources to address issue in an adequate
form. By then preventing them from accessing a simpler model the process
has ensured it has someone to blame it hasnt done anything to protect the
movements identity nor enable a recovery of the movement activities in the
region afterwards.

Retail closes under performing stores all the time but in doing so they
make every attempt to protect their customers, suppliers, and retain
skilled staff at the moment our process just closes the store and doesnt
look after our clients, suppliers, nor the skilled people whos knowledge we
still need.




On 26 April 2017 at 02:17, Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> When individuals are discredited in this way, your option, you are judging
> these people. That is in my opinion a mistake. You may judge a situation
> and determine because of what you consider your responsibility to either
> accept or no longer accept the existence of a chapter, whatever entity.
> When you judge people and determine that you will not trust them in the
> future to do good. You have a problem.
>
> It is exactly when a group is small that your priority must be in growing
> the group and the quality of their interaction. By dismissing people
> totally you achieve the opposite of what we want; that is representation of
> our movement in the most optimal way.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 25 April 2017 at 18:31, Kirill Lokshin 
> wrote:
>
> > User groups are, indeed, a more "light-weight" model of affiliation, with
> > significantly fewer compliance requirements -- at least for groups which
> > are unincorporated and do not receive significant grants -- and the
> > Affiliations Committee has, in the past, encouraged chapters struggling
> > with reporting and similar requirements to consider becoming a user
> group.
> >
> > Having said that, there are certain issues that can prevent a smooth
> > transition from a chapter to a user group.  In particular, any
> individuals
> > considered to have personal responsibility for an outstanding compliance
> > issue -- which means, generally speaking, the actual signatories of a
> > chapter or grant agreement, but could potentially include every member of
> > the governing board in the case of an incorporated affiliate -- are not
> > eligible to serve as signatories of a new user group agreement until the
> > original compliance issue has been resolved.  This proves to be a
> challenge
> > when a group is small, or when the existing leadership of a group is
> > unwilling to step aside during a transition.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 12:10 PM, James Heilman 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Running a "user group" is much less bureaucratic overhead. Can WMPH not
> > > just rejoin the movement as that? When the capacity to return to
> chapter
> > > status develops the group can than apply for chapter status.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 5:17 AM, Josh Lim 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > First of all, I'm not blaming anyone. I'm merely stating what is our
> > > > position: that is, that we've been dealing with our issues to the
> best
> > of
> > > > our ability.  That said, I'm sorry, but I will not tolerate being
> told
> > > that
> > > > I am "misleading" the movement by telling people what we've done to
> get
> > > > ourselves out of this mess.  I wouldn't dare stake my own reputation
> on
> > > > misleading the movement, and for people to presume otherwise is
> > appalling
> > > > for a movement that claims to work on a fundamental assumption of
> good
> > > > faith.
> > > > It's perfectly fine that we've come to opposing conclusions as to how
> > > > compliant we are, but the facts stand that we've worked our butts off
> > to
> > > > return to compliance.  And we intend to do so.  If the Wikimedia
> > > > Foundation's ideal conclusion is that non-compliant affiliates ought
> to
> > > > disband entirely, then what good is the process in the first place if
> > the
> > > > idea is to help organizations return to compliance?
> > > > I'll affirm that we've received a deadline notice.  I confirmed that
> in
> > > my
> > > > last e-mail to this list.  The Wikimedia Foundation did give a list
> of
> > > > things that we had to fix to return to compliance.  We ticked off a
> > > number
> > > > of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Peru User Group

2017-04-26 Thread Dennis Tobar

Hey!

Congrats to UG of Peru. I can't wait to work with our neighbors :)

Cheers from Chile!

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:25 AM, Kirill Lokshin 
wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
>  the Wikimedians of Peru User Group [1] as a Wikimedia User Group.  The
> group will work to promote the Wikimedia projects in Peru, and plans to
> support events, such as edit-a-thons, in the region.
>
> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>
> Regards,
> Kirill Lokshin
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedistas_de_Perú
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Alessandro Marchetti

So we are talking about dead/small projects now? 
I work on many of them and I think that what WMF is mainly rationalization. 
It's not about just turning them off but merging, interacting or rebranding 
many times. IMHO. The problem are both the few user active on them which are 
proud and they want to loose their "little space" and the snob attitude of 
users on big wikipedias. Such a pity, there is plenty of room for improvement 
once you go beyond the simplest black/white scenario. I guess people just need 
time to think of the platform as an ecosystem, where really few things needs to 
be removed, whilst it does require flexibility to integrate and rethink them. 
I hope new generation of users will help us in going that directions. i am 
still wondering why we don't have a unified cross-language platform for some of 
them yet. I don't care if in 2003 or 2004 someone was unable to understand 
English... we had commons, wikidata, SUL... seriously talk to newbies and get 
over it. I am not citing any platform specifically here, just to avoid long 
mails defending the status quo. Let's leave colonel Kurtz in the jungle, he 
will get tired one day.
But about wikinews for example, I make interviews on itwikinews. Not recently, 
but I have a long list of option when i have more time. I link them to the 
articles, they looks fine as an integration. Also they are a wonderful way to 
establish different connections. So sad noone uses it, because they could. The 
news part has low activity, but for example it still attracts new young users. 
One of the most motivated young WMI members comes from the "poor" itwikinews. 
He's very young yet he organized an event, specifically in an area where 
wiki.activities were missing since a decade. Without the freedom of wikinews, 
he would have needed much time to get the same level of confidence. I don't 
think that itwikipedia users understand these aspects, do they? So can you find 
me a replacement for that? And please notice, i am not defending my little 
garden here, I just work there sometimes and I see things that are useful to 
preserve. Can you do it somehow, while closing it? That's what I need to know.

Il Mercoledì 26 Aprile 2017 12:16, David Gerard  ha 
scritto:

 On 26 April 2017 at 09:23, Andrea Zanni  wrote:

> Last time I remember we had a discussion¹ was September 2011 (!):
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/thread.html

Everyone interested in Wikified news should read the Wikinews threads
in that page.

That's where the complaint that Wikinews is process-heavy comes from.
But it really isn't process-heavy at all, if you look at the actual
process. The blocker appears to have been insufficient or careless
reviewers. (Japan getting a new Prime Minister apparently not being
relevant to Wikinews because the sources weren't in English.)

You'll also see numbers as to why it looks like a dead project from
any reasonable outside perspective.

- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Andrea Zanni

Re: metrics and numbers,
monthly pageviews are visibile on stats.wikimedia¹, but it would be much
easier to have
a dedicated section on siteviews².

Of course, pageviews are one of the many metrics to take into consideration
while evaluation a project,
but of course it's important.

Aubrey


¹ https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyAllProjects.htm
²
https://tools.wmflabs.org/siteviews/?platform=all-access=pageviews=user=latest-20=

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:15 PM, David Gerard  wrote:

> On 26 April 2017 at 09:23, Andrea Zanni  wrote:
>
> > Last time I remember we had a discussion¹ was September 2011 (!):
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-
> September/thread.html
>
>
> Everyone interested in Wikified news should read the Wikinews threads
> in that page.
>
> That's where the complaint that Wikinews is process-heavy comes from.
> But it really isn't process-heavy at all, if you look at the actual
> process. The blocker appears to have been insufficient or careless
> reviewers. (Japan getting a new Prime Minister apparently not being
> relevant to Wikinews because the sources weren't in English.)
>
> You'll also see numbers as to why it looks like a dead project from
> any reasonable outside perspective.
>
>
> - d.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread David Gerard

On 26 April 2017 at 09:23, Andrea Zanni  wrote:

> Last time I remember we had a discussion¹ was September 2011 (!):
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/thread.html

Everyone interested in Wikified news should read the Wikinews threads
in that page.

That's where the complaint that Wikinews is process-heavy comes from.
But it really isn't process-heavy at all, if you look at the actual
process. The blocker appears to have been insufficient or careless
reviewers. (Japan getting a new Prime Minister apparently not being
relevant to Wikinews because the sources weren't in English.)

You'll also see numbers as to why it looks like a dead project from
any reasonable outside perspective.

- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will you be at the WMF mothership Wednesday evening?

2017-04-26 Thread Tomasz Ganicz

Well... If you buy me a ticket from Warsaw to SF I can consider to visit
you :-)

Seriously speaking - I suggest to establish local E-mail list for SF
located folks for such announcements :-) Wikimedia-l is global list.



2017-04-26 8:27 GMT+02:00 J. :

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> Foundation mothership!
>
> The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather for the
> '''Bay Area WikiSalon''' series to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new
> projects and ideas.
>
> We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers
> and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is
> available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages (including
> beer and wine) plus light snacks.
>
> We will have some announcements and lightning talks from the floor, and a
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>
> Please RSVP here:
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>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Andrea Zanni

Last time I remember we had a discussion¹ was September 2011 (!):
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/thread.html

There are several threads worth revisiting:
I was looking for an old-but-great Andrew Lih's post about Wikinews², and I
re-discovered that a project had forkedfrom Wikinews in 2011³: it was
called the http://theopenglobe.org, and (spoiler) it's now dead.

Generally speaking, I think that Jimmy experimenting with another project
speaks volume:
and I do think it's a good idea.

Simply put, we have a lot of zombie projects, and we¹ never had the will to
do the tough decision
of killing them... *or* really investing in them.
At the moment, the actual policy with sister projects (all of them, minus
Wikidata), is
"don't ask don't tell".

The communities do what they can, and what they cannot do they don't.
There is no non-volunteer development, and even no knowledge about sister
projects, both within the WMF and the rest of the movement. Wikipedians
rarely go in sister projects.

I really hope this Strategy process will be seen by the larger community as
the right chance to discuss all this. A lot of strategy statements go into
the direction "collect/provide all written and oral knowledge ever
produced", which is more or less our vision, and this is why we thought to
create non-encyclopedic projects in the first place (a image archive; a
library; a dictionary; a quote compendium; etc.).

It's probably time that we have this conversation.

Aubrey
(your friendly occasional Nemo)
Wikisource Community User Group



¹ meaning, *we* that live on these mailing lists
² this:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/068381.html
³
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/068290.html

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Ariel Glenn WMF 
wrote:

> Hi Jimmy,
>
> The articles I've read on the new venture have been like appetizers,
> providing just enough information to generate a new list of questions. :-)
> So, in no particular order, here are some things that came to mind:
>
> Will the focus be investigative journalism, or "deep dives" in the manner
> of newsdeeply.com, or breaking news, or something else?
>
> AIUI, fact-checking will be done by community volunteers in the
> collaborative manner of Wikipedia; will they flag information that they
> consider to be problematic, annotate draft news articles with comments and
> questions, revise drafts themselves,...?
>
> The website shows an initial goal of ten journalists to be hired; does this
> include copy editors as well?  And more generally, how will copy editing be
> handled?
>
> With what frequency do you envision news to be published, e.g. a weekly
> magazine, a daily feed of several short pieces and one feature article,
> ...?
>
> Who will have access to journalists' notes and other raw materials?  How
> will sources be protected while permitting maximum participation of
> community volunteers in the vetting/fact-checking process?  Will there be
> provision for leakers, i.e. some sort of SecureDrop thing?  If so, how will
> that be handled?
>
> Will guides be produced around vetting of information, like e.g. the guide
> at verificationhandbook.com?  More generally, how will community members
> learn vetting and verification skills for journalism?
>
> How will good-faith disputes around fact-checking be resolved and by whom?
> How will trolls be handled?
>
> Will Wikitribune journalists collaborate with other groups doing
> like-minded work, for example bellingcat.com?
>
> I gather that there are developers working on this project too, at least on
> wordpress hacking; are they also part of the crowdfunding?  More generally,
> is budget/staffing information available or will it be soon?
>
> What roles will the four named advisors play in this project, with their
> specific skillsets?
>
> In an ever shrinking paid market for journalism, where funding is harder
> and harder to come by and many publications have closed their doors or
> turned digital-only, what are your thoughts about competing in that market,
> both as a job provider and potentially taking subscribers from other media?
>
> Please feel free to ramble on at length about these topics as much as you
> like; I'm interested in the broader picture and not just the specific
> details :-)
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Ariel
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Jimmy Wales 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia activities,
> > to combat fake news. It is important to me that I share directly with
> > all of you information about this new initiative early on.
> >
> > The new project  will use a wiki-style setup and experiment with
> > bringing together professional journalists and community contributors to
> > produce fact-checked, global news stories.  At launch, we'll be using a
> > hacked version of wordpress and we'll

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Ariel Glenn WMF

Hi Jimmy,

The articles I've read on the new venture have been like appetizers,
providing just enough information to generate a new list of questions. :-)
So, in no particular order, here are some things that came to mind:

Will the focus be investigative journalism, or "deep dives" in the manner
of newsdeeply.com, or breaking news, or something else?

AIUI, fact-checking will be done by community volunteers in the
collaborative manner of Wikipedia; will they flag information that they
consider to be problematic, annotate draft news articles with comments and
questions, revise drafts themselves,...?

The website shows an initial goal of ten journalists to be hired; does this
include copy editors as well?  And more generally, how will copy editing be
handled?

With what frequency do you envision news to be published, e.g. a weekly
magazine, a daily feed of several short pieces and one feature article, ...?

Who will have access to journalists' notes and other raw materials?  How
will sources be protected while permitting maximum participation of
community volunteers in the vetting/fact-checking process?  Will there be
provision for leakers, i.e. some sort of SecureDrop thing?  If so, how will
that be handled?

Will guides be produced around vetting of information, like e.g. the guide
at verificationhandbook.com?  More generally, how will community members
learn vetting and verification skills for journalism?

How will good-faith disputes around fact-checking be resolved and by whom?
How will trolls be handled?

Will Wikitribune journalists collaborate with other groups doing
like-minded work, for example bellingcat.com?

I gather that there are developers working on this project too, at least on
wordpress hacking; are they also part of the crowdfunding?  More generally,
is budget/staffing information available or will it be soon?

What roles will the four named advisors play in this project, with their
specific skillsets?

In an ever shrinking paid market for journalism, where funding is harder
and harder to come by and many publications have closed their doors or
turned digital-only, what are your thoughts about competing in that market,
both as a job provider and potentially taking subscribers from other media?

Please feel free to ramble on at length about these topics as much as you
like; I'm interested in the broader picture and not just the specific
details :-)

Thanks a lot!

Ariel

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Jimmy Wales 
wrote:

>
> Today I announced a new initiative, outside of my Wikimedia activities,
> to combat fake news. It is important to me that I share directly with
> all of you information about this new initiative early on.
>
> The new project  will use a wiki-style setup and experiment with
> bringing together professional journalists and community contributors to
> produce fact-checked, global news stories.  At launch, we'll be using a
> hacked version of wordpress and we'll be evaluating whether that's the
> right tool moving forward.  Wordpress has a lot to
> commend it (free software, mature platform, used by lots of newsrooms,
> active developer ecosystem) but also has some philosophy that's quite
> "top down" in a way.
> (Not many people would think in a wiki way when setting up a newsroom!)
>
> This new initiative, Wikitribune, will be a learning experience - my
> vision is one that I've had a hard time explaining... except to
> Wikimedians who tend to immediately
> get it.
>
> While I am launching this project independent from Wikipedia and the
> Wikimedia Foundation, it is my plan that this new project will work
> alongside Wikimedia in the free knowledge movement. For example, I hope
> that the numerous Wikinews/Wikinoticias/Wikinotizie/etc. communities can
> collaborate with the  Wikitribune community in way that allows both to
> learn and benefit from each other. Additionally, Wikitribune will
> utilize the same Creative Commons license (CC-BY) as other free content
> projects in
> the news space - so they can take the stories written by our
> professional journalists and communities and make use of them.
>
> You can find out more information about Wikitribune at:
> https://www.wikitribune.com
>
> Thank you for your time and I'm happy to answer questions!  (But I'm
> quite swamped with everything at the moment so please forgive me if I
> answer in bursts!)
>
> --Jimbo
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

2017-04-26 Thread Gnangarra

There is a flaw in the assumption that the current responsible person of
the chapter is the same person who was the recipient.

Example: WMAu applies for a grant to run a project in September that
project is finished but before I've written up a report I lose my seat on
the committee. If I choose to just walk away from the committee because of
what has taken place there is no way a report about the project could
written by someone else.  The new person tries to get it written after 12
months they too walk away from the committee,  a third person who may never
have met me nor know how to contact me becomes the responsible person.
Another 12 months goes by then the decision to progress to deregistration
happens.  This new responsible person is the one being held to account for
the information. Thats when the system falls over because this third person
can never address the compliance not only have we lost the community, we've
attributed blame to the wrong person on top of that we are taking punative
action the wrong person, the wider community and poisoning the external
opportunities for those who follow.  Such a process doesnt protect the
movements identity nor work in its best interest,  unless we change it
after a couple of more iterations of this process its going to create and
accelerate decline as no one will step up when help is needed.

Being professional is not just writing reports and counting number its also
about ensuring continuity over time to those external to our organisation.

On 26 April 2017 at 11:24, Nathan  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > When individuals are discredited in this way, your option, you are
> judging
> > these people. That is in my opinion a mistake. You may judge a situation
> > and determine because of what you consider your responsibility to either
> > accept or no longer accept the existence of a chapter, whatever entity.
> > When you judge people and determine that you will not trust them in the
> > future to do good. You have a problem.
> >
> > It is exactly when a group is small that your priority must be in growing
> > the group and the quality of their interaction. By dismissing people
> > totally you achieve the opposite of what we want; that is representation
> of
> > our movement in the most optimal way.
> > Thanks,
> >   GerardM
>
>
>
> It seems very strange to me to discount the mere possibility that AffComm
> may, in the course of its work, discover that specific individuals are
> untrustworthy or impossible to work with - or that signals of such a status
> must be resolved before collaboration can continue. We don't exist in a
> world where entities matter but individuals do not. It would appear that
> AffComm is trying very hard not to publicly discredit any individuals. By
> senselessly ruling out that this could be true, you're unnecessarily
> pushing them to 'out' potential misconduct in a way that won't help the
> movement or any future Philippines-based affiliate.
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[Wikimedia-l] Will you be at the WMF mothership Wednesday evening?

2017-04-26 Thread J.

Please join us in downtown San Francisco in you are at the Wikimedia
Foundation mothership!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather for the
'''Bay Area WikiSalon''' series to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new
projects and ideas.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers
and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is
available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages (including
beer and wine) plus light snacks.

We will have some announcements and lightning talks from the floor, and a
breakout session. This is our one year anniversary, so there will be cake!

Please RSVP here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bay_Area_WikiSalon_April_2017

... and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. This also
helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in. If you do not have
time to RSVP, go ahead and crash the gates and Stephen will get you in!

See you soon! {{u|Checkingfax}} (Wayne) and {{u|Ben Creasy}} (co-organizers)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Michael Snow


On 4/25/2017 10:30 PM, Pine W wrote:

On the subject of Jimbo being exempt from term limits, my belief is that
Jimbo's seat should become a standard community-chosen seat, and no one
should be exempt from term limits. I am particularly mindful of the
governance problems that have happened while Jimbo has been on the WMF
Board, and WMF's refusal to have an external inquiry into those problems by
a third party who would make a public report. I am also mindful of WMF's
clashes with the community (such as SuperProtect) that have happened while
Jimbo has been on the WMF Board. Given the totality of the circumstances, I
believe that Jimbo's seat should become a standard community-chosen seat so
that the community has a chance to express its level of confidence in
whether Jimbo should remain on the WMF Board.
People are certainly entitled to form their own opinions about Jimmy's 
ongoing role, including how or whether it should be continued. But 
simply alluding to issues that have happened while he has been on the 
Board of Trustees says very little. Jimmy has been on the Board from the 
beginning, so of course everything that has happened, good and bad, 
happened while he was on the Board. Unless there's something about his 
personal conduct or how he has used his position that uniquely 
contributes to particular problems, this sounds more like advocating 
change for the sake of change, not an actual solution to anything.


--Michael Snow

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