Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-08-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Hi all, I checked in with Adele today, to ask about progress on the Amazon Echo licensing issue, and whether she had a rough idea when she'd be able to report back to us. Adele was happy for me to pass on here that we're unlikely to hear anything further about this until September, as Wikimania

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Devouard (gmail)
Le 04/08/2017 à 18:17, Gabriel Thullen a écrit : What is important here is that trust has to be rebuilt between the chapter members on one hand and the board & senior staff on the other hand. The way I understand the situation is that the board has expelled a few vocal opponents, a few board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Ilario, A statement[1] released at the time said, "Over the past six months, a Wikimedia UK trustee led two Wikipedia-related projects, Monmouthpedia and Gibraltarpedia, in a way that seemed to some observers to blur his roles as a Wikimedia UK trustee, a paid consultant for the projects’

[Wikimedia-l] Strategy update - Wikimania schedule, draft direction, brand awareness research, salons and events (#23)

2017-08-04 Thread Katherine Maher
Greetings — Before I get to sharing the latest updates, I want thank each of you again for your participation in the strategy process. You have helped us to shape a draft direction that we hope truly reflects the needs of every community in our movement. No matter where you plan to be in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Natacha Rault
Well thanks to Andreas for pointing this, I really believe that a movement advocating for the free sharing of knowledge can not afford to take royalist views on who is entitled or not to see the results of any audit and to reflect upon it. I want to reflect on Illario’s previous words . Well

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
James If the WMF is seen to be directing the activities of a chapter as if that chapter were a mere subsidiary, then it might inherit the responsibility for any content creation that the chapter had made in the past, or indeed might do in the future. Mind you, I only say "might", because I am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Gabriel Thullen
What is important here is that trust has to be rebuilt between the chapter members on one hand and the board & senior staff on the other hand. The way I understand the situation is that the board has expelled a few vocal opponents, a few board members have resigned, one staffer was fired for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Chris Keating
> Interesting but: "The review, commissioned by Wikimedia UK..." exactly who? > Board, community, general assembly, group of members? > By the Board. The dynamics were different to the current situation with Wikimedia France, in that the Wikimedia UK Board at the time was not engaged in a big

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Ilario, A few years ago, WMUK was required to undergo an independent governance review. The review was jointly commissioned by WMUK and WMF. The results were public.[1] That option is available for WMFR today just as it was available for WMUK a few years ago. Andreas [1]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Natacha Rault
In any case now what we would like is an independent audit, addressing very precise questions pushed by the community of members To go through an audit to get an IDEAS label is not the same as going through an audit resulting from a governance crisis, The evaluation processes are not the same,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Chris Keating
A few weeks ago I think I found a copy of WMFR's chapter agreement on a Wiki somewhere. I had the impression (maybe wrongly) that it renewed each January, and had to be cancelled by either party 3 months in advance if they did not wish to renew it. That puts the WMF's decision point somewhere in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Gilles Chagnon
I think the two audits the board refers to as those by IDEAS. However, except of the announcement of the final label, there was no report to the community. An audit usually comes with recommendations and a series of good points/concerns but as far as I know, no result was shared outside of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Only an audit can answer. To switch from rumors to facts, this is the most appropriate solution. It seems that Wikimedia France had two audits (but it would be interesting to know if limited only to the financial aspects) and another by the FDC. The General Assembly can have the power to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Ilario Valdelli
The power of WMF, defined in the agreement, is basically limited to revoke the chapters agreement. There is no mention in the Chapters agreement that WMF can take a control of a chapter and to manage a General Assembly. You forget that the legal pilaster of a chapter is the bylaws. On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Ilario Valdelli
The comment is a little bit partial. The governance is partially connected with the local system law. In some countries no profit association are linked to strict parameters and the governance is not an option. I don't know personally the system law of France, but I suppose that it's weaker

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread James Salsman
Rogol, What content protected by safe harbor provisions would the Foundation be exerting editorial control over by requiring governance standards of a Chapter? Is there some French law that requires charities to be more independent of their international affiliates than would be under such a

[Wikimedia-l] RfC regarding the Meta CU Policy

2017-08-04 Thread James Heilman
Have started a RfC on clarifying the CU policy on meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_comment/Clarification_to_CU_policy#Discuss Best -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine ___ Wikimedia-l