Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-03 Thread Nick Wilson (Quiddity)
There are 4 or more different problems being discussed here, and it would be helpful to be precise about each of them, and keep them separate because they are technically distinct, despite being thematically linked. (Note: I'm not a dev, which both helps me simplify the explanation, but also means

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-03 Thread Risker
Just noting in passing that ascribing this to the gadgets that make up a personal profile...isn't always what is the problem. I don't think standard non-logged-in profile has any of these finicky bits, yet the same thing happens to users who are not logged in. All the time - half the time I find

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-03 Thread James Heilman
These issues can be fixed. Have the banners load below the buttons we typically click on. Move the gadgets to the left of "read" rather than to the right of "view history". I have proposed this for TW as I mentioned here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Twinkle#Button_load_issues J

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French executive director

2017-09-03 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sun, 3 Sep 2017 13:37:24 +0200 Samuel Le Goff wrote: > Hello all, > > The Board of wikimedia France wishes to inform you that Ms Nathalie > Martin is leaving her position as executive director of Wikim├ędia > France. > A hiring process will be organised in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-03 Thread David Gerard
On 2 September 2017 at 02:09, Michael Peel wrote: > This is possibly the most annoying feature of the Wikimedia projects at the > moment. You access a page. Then you start reading or editing it. And then > suddenly the page jumps when a fundraising banner / central notice /

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-03 Thread Peter Southwood
Is it not possible to display a warning immediately that more things are going to load, so that one waits until it is all done? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of James Salsman Sent: Sunday, 03 September 2017

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-03 Thread James Salsman
Can't we render each gadget in a Foundation-controlled with a height taller than the gadget ever typically flows to? On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Krinkle wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Unexpected page jumps are never fun. They tend to be known as a "reflow" or > FOUC [1],

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-03 Thread Krinkle
Hi Mike, Unexpected page jumps are never fun. They tend to be known as a "reflow" or FOUC [1], and are common all over the web at different times. Unfortunately, while there may be multiple gadgets / features exhibiting this undesired behaviour, it is not a general problem or limitation. As

[Wikimedia-l] French executive director

2017-09-03 Thread Samuel Le Goff
Hello all, The Board of wikimedia France wishes to inform you that Ms Nathalie Martin is leaving her position as executive director of Wikim├ędia France. A hiring process will be organised in the coming weeks to find a suitable replacement. In the meantime, secretary general Cyrille Bertin will