[Wikimedia-l] Diversity in Wikimedia

2017-09-06 Thread Romaine Wiki 
I made a mistake, a very personal mistake. Not realising that I made this
mistake at that time, but ever since I kept an unpleasant feeling about it.
I signed up for attending the Diversity Conference later this year, and
with that there were a lot of personal questions asked on the field of
diversity. I think it is very good to have attention for diversity is my
opinion, as Wikipedia (etc) should cover the whole of the diversity of
mankind in knowledge. I stayed vague in the application about my personal
way of diversity, but even with doing that I disclosed too much of my
personal "diversity" feelings, and that is my mistake. Any more deeper
explaing on this I do not want, that is too personal.

But why do I write about it here? Because in the rejection of the
application I was triggerd by something what concerns me. In the message it
said:
"Many strong applications were submitted [...]"
To me this reeds as that if someone does not want to open up their feelings
regarding personal diversity, while trying to influence the movement with
more diversity, this can't ever lead to a strong application.

In this world there are many people that express themselves strongly in
their diversity, but that is only half of the people with the diversity.
The other half keeps it indoors, mostly hidden for the outside world of
anonymous people.

It can be a choice of organisers to select only those applications that
have a strong story in the field of diversity (like for example because WMF
funds only a meager conference). But then I think half of the diversity is
missing. That is my concern.

In many conferences it is natural that if someone has a strong application,
that person gets granted to come to the conference. With a Diversity
Conference I think it should work the other way round: the stronger the
story, and thus the stronger the application, the less it is needed to
attend. The weaker the application, as result of a weaker story, the more
that person can benefit from a conference on Diversity. I think we should
be aware of this, otherwise we miss the big gaps in diversity, big gaps
that are not addressed, aren't seen.


To say it otherwise:
What are the topics in Wikipedia with the loudest form of expression in the
world? football, disasters, politics, religion, ...
What are the topics with the softest form of expression in the world? ...
I think those are not in Wikipedia.


Romaine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-09-06 Thread John Erling Blad 
Stright from the Norwegian Åndsverksloven

§ 3. The author is entitled to be named as good practice, as well as on
copies of the intellectual property as when made available to the public.

Good practice on Wikipedia is a reference in the page history.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:35 AM, Gnangarra  wrote:

> Kaya
>
> With all due respect if there are potential solutions already created then
> it doent matter which project or what language they are on they can be
> adapted and translated as necessary, even made global
>
>
>
>
> On 29 August 2017 at 19:53, Gerard Meijssen 
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > With all due respect. These templates are probably English Wikipedia
> only.
> > Consequently they are not available on a Wikimedia level.
> > Thanks,
> >   GerardM
> >
> > On 29 August 2017 at 13:39, Richard Farmbrough  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > We have a number of source specific templates, such  as {{EB1911}} for
> > > acknowledging re-used source material.  There is as yet no automatic
> > >  mechanism for changing these as and when the actual copying is
> replaced
> > > entirely.
> > >
> > > On 28 Aug 2017 01:18, "Gnangarra"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > but the information is exactly the same, url, date, author, title -
> the
> > > > refn template can include anything you need to add including license
> > > detail
> > > > ie cc-by all of which can be internal or external links
> > > >
> > > > On 28 August 2017 at 00:26, John Erling Blad 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Citation and reuse is two different things.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Gnangarra 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > that notice states that text has been used, a specific citation
> > where
> > > > the
> > > > > > text would add context by using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> > > > > > Template:Refn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 27 August 2017 at 22:22, John Erling Blad 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Use of a template does not accurately identify the copied text,
> > and
> > > > in
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > case nor the author.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The license is the contract with the author and the reason why
> > the
> > > > text
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > be copied. If the license says the author shall be identified,
> > the
> > > by
> > > > > > > attribution clause, then a link to the site is not good enough.
> > If
> > > > the
> > > > > > > share alike clause is given, then it is even harder to give
> > correct
> > > > > > credit,
> > > > > > > as the request for credit can be pretty weird.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyhow, a page that is later edited is not necessarily
> something
> > > the
> > > > > > > external editor has created, he or she has created a part that
> at
> > > > some
> > > > > > > point in time was incorporated in the page, and the present
> page
> > > may
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > even contain this content anymore.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Gnangarra <
> gnanga...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:CC-notice on
> > en
> > > at
> > > > > > least
> > > > > > > > specifically for the purpose of incorporating text licensed
> > cc-by
> > > > > > content
> > > > > > > > within articles
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 27 August 2017 at 21:28, John Erling Blad <
> jeb...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In some cases we need to attribute content created on
> > external
> > > > > sites,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > reused on Wikimedia-sites. In Norway Åndsverksloven says
> "The
> > > > > creator
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > the right to be named according to good practice"
> > > ("Opphavsmannen
> > > > > har
> > > > > > > > krav
> > > > > > > > > på å bli navngitt slik som god skikk tilsier") and for our
> > > > content
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > given by our license and our terms of use. That means by a
> > link
> > > > to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > page
> > > > > > > > > if possible, or if possible an entry in the history.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now we use a template on the page itself, or similar, but
> it
> > is
> > > > not
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > page on our site that the external entity has provided,
> they
> > > have
> > > > > > > > provided
> > > > > > > > > the content at their site. So we must say that in some
> > > consistent
> > > > > > way.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I believe that the best option would be to have a log entry
> > > > > injected
> > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > the history for our page that says "this revision comes in
> > full
> > > > or
> > > > > > part
> > > > > > > > > from that external source". Such an entry could be made by
> > the
> > > > > editor
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > by
>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-06 Thread Andy Mabbett 
On 2 September 2017 at 02:09, Michael Peel  wrote:

> This is possibly the most annoying feature of the Wikimedia projects at the
> moment. You access a page. Then you start reading or editing it. And then
> suddenly the page jumps when a fundraising banner / central notice /
> gadget / beta feature loads.

Yes, very annoying.

The new syntax highlighter, in Beta, (the last time I looked) badly
compounds this.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How can we fix the two-stage page loading problem?

2017-09-06 Thread Lodewijk 
Hi David,

Would you mind elaborating on the first point? I vaguely recall test
banners being shown to logged in users, but don't recall seeing one myself
while logged in for a while.

Best,
Lodewijk

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 2:16 PM, David Emrany  wrote:

> a) This is incorrect
> b) how many years would "for several years" encompass?
>
> David
>
> On 9/5/17, Joseph Seddon  wrote:
> > WMF hasn't shown fundraising banners to logged in users for several
> years.
> >
> > Regards
> > Seddon
>
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