Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-02 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
For a while I have had a strong sensation, possibly unjustly so, of a highly over-complicated result. There are many good words, but I keep not seeing a simple, concise, intuitively understood statement. I feel we are still missing an understandable elevator pitch. If asked, I seriously doubt I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-02 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hello, If you feel a strong urge to reject the text, there is obviously nothing preventing anyone from creating a Meta-Wiki page to that purpose. However, I would first ask to reflect on the process, its outcome, and where it's going. Strategy is complicated. Building a movement strategy even

[Wikimedia-l] Ombuds Commission now accepting nominations

2017-10-02 Thread Karen Brown
Hello all, Please accept my apologies if you are receiving this a number of times today. We have sent it out to multiple mailing lists in order to reach as many community members as possible. It's coming close to time for annual appointments of community members to serve on the Ombudsman

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-02 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
As I mentioned earlier on a different occasion, at the very first step we at the Russian Wikivoyage have taken the strategy discussion seriously and compiled this document (Russian + translation to English),

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-02 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Joseph, We must distinguish between the community, the movement and partners of the movement. The Wikimedia movement is not a community, it consists of several communities. Such as the community of Wikipedia in French, of Wikidata or of Mediawiki.org. Staffers of the WMF are part of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-02 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I don't read Ziko's concern as one that suggests to exclude developers or teachers. I read it as a suggestion that "... and beyond" is too inclusive, and thus it doesn't mean much. This is a concern that I share myself. I'm all for being inclusive, but the whole point of defining something is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-02 Thread
All possible stakeholders and participants in our 'value chain' should be consulted and be part of developing strategy. That does not make them all the same as the community that create our projects or sustain our content long term. It's a mime that has been pushed and stretched until the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-02 Thread Joseph Seddon
Based on your definition of community does that mean that mediawiki developers are not part of the Wikimedia community? Are people who volunteer in the real world or teachers who incorporate Wikipedia into their classes not part of the Wikimedia community? Members of staff of GLAM institutions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-02 Thread
Ziko's point may not fit the rigid Americanocentric ideal of everything must be positive, fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one, but he's spot on with how the foundations remain flawed. Only ever hearing congratulations and thanks can get you to a win, but will never keep you there. Return to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-02 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Katherine, This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from being a useful and appropriate document for our future. The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in the rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

2017-10-02 Thread Arjuna Rao Chavala
Hi On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga < kcvel...@wikimedia.in> wrote: > Greetings, > > Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh, > India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively > contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons