For a while I have had a strong sensation, possibly unjustly so, of a
highly over-complicated result. There are many good words, but I keep not
seeing a simple, concise, intuitively understood statement. I feel we are
still missing an understandable elevator pitch. If asked, I seriously
If you feel a strong urge to reject the text, there is obviously nothing
preventing anyone from creating a Meta-Wiki page to that purpose. However,
I would first ask to reflect on the process, its outcome, and where it's
Strategy is complicated. Building a movement strategy even
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As I mentioned earlier on a different occasion, at the very first step we
at the Russian Wikivoyage have taken the strategy discussion seriously and
compiled this document (Russian + translation to English),
We must distinguish between the community, the movement and partners of the
The Wikimedia movement is not a community, it consists of several
communities. Such as the community of Wikipedia in French, of Wikidata or
Staffers of the WMF are part of the
I don't read Ziko's concern as one that suggests to exclude developers or
I read it as a suggestion that "... and beyond" is too inclusive, and thus
it doesn't mean much. This is a concern that I share myself. I'm all for
being inclusive, but the whole point of defining something is
All possible stakeholders and participants in our 'value chain' should be
consulted and be part of developing strategy.
That does not make them all the same as the community that create our
projects or sustain our content long term. It's a mime that has been pushed
and stretched until the
Based on your definition of community does that mean that mediawiki
developers are not part of the Wikimedia community?
Are people who volunteer in the real world or teachers who incorporate
Wikipedia into their classes not part of the Wikimedia community?
Members of staff of GLAM institutions
Ziko's point may not fit the rigid Americanocentric ideal of everything
must be positive, fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one, but he's spot on
with how the foundations remain flawed.
Only ever hearing congratulations and thanks can get you to a win, but will
never keep you there.
Return to the
This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from being
a useful and appropriate document for our future.
The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in the
rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga <
> Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh,
> India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively
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