Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Esra’a Al Shafei to Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2017-12-02 Thread Tim Landscheidt
María Sefidari  wrote:

> […]

> Mike, as Cristian says - the Wikimedia movement has a history of trying to
> balance the safety concerns of volunteers in not-so-free regions (to put it
> mildly...) with having them contribute to our projects and events. We
> *need* these contributions, these voices - but we can sometimes be
> hard-pressed to understand the challenges associated. Esra'a is not
> requesting "security by obscurity" - she already has had ample media
> coverage and recognition, as can be read in the announcement. She has even
> attended and given a (wonderful) keynote at Wikimania a few months ago. We
> *can* successfully figure out together how to balance having her voice
> present while respecting her safety needs.

> […]

You are conflating two aspects here that are not congruent
(IMHO).

If someone is requesting privacy, that is to be honored by
default (there are exceptions like Essjay or Amina Abdallah
Arraf al Omari, but I don't see that applicable here).  It
is an individual choice to determine what one wants to share
about himself, and that decision is not up for discussion
(as long as there is no deception involved).

If someone (or an organization) is requesting privacy "for
safety reasons", then that argument can be analyzed,
criticized and doubted.  To parade someone in front of
several hundred strangers with the knowledge that a single
recognition would endanger that one's safety is negligent at
best (or, for a US-based organization: potentially costly).

Tim


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

2017-12-02 Thread Leila Zia
[I apologize for the longish response, and I will do what I can to take the
rest of this offlist as needed. I just see a couple of places where I need
to add more explanation.]

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 10:31 PM, mathieu stumpf guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:

> Hi Leila,
>
> First, thank you for your clear analyze and suggestions.
>
> I won't respond extensively on list about this thread anymore for now.
>
> So to your reply, I will just make a single point more clear, and take the
> rest in consideration off list.
>
> Le 01/12/2017 à 22:49, Leila Zia a écrit :
>
> (ii) I demand transparency: You need to answer my questions since
> transparency is important for us and I have the right to ask about any
> topic and demand more explanation until my satisfaction.
>
> Once again, this is not about "I, me and my". Transparency is a core value
> of *our* Wikimedia movement. So the question is not to reach my
> satifaction, but the level of transparency which is expected in the
> Wikimedia movement.
>

​(​Side-note. We should take this part offline but for the record: I
couldn't find a place where transparency was listed as an agreed upon and
shared value of our movement as a whole. There are subgroups that consider
it a core value or one of the guiding principles, and it's of course built
in in many of the things we do in Wikimedia, but I'm hesitant to call it /a
core value of our movement/ given that it's not listed somewhere as such.
btw, for the record, it's high on my personal and professional list of
values.)

​While I agree that transparency is a value for many of us, it is not very
clear, to at least me, how we as a whole define transparency to the level
that can be used in practice. In the absence of a shared practical
definition for transparency, each of us (or groups of us) define a process
as transparent as a function of how big/impactful the result of a process
is at each point in time, our backgrounds/cultures/countries-we're-from,
how much personal trust we have in the process or the people involved in
the process, etc. If this is correct, this means that in practice we as
individuals or groups define what transparency means for us and we will
demand specific things based on our own definition. So, while in theory you
are requesting/demanding something that is likely a shared value for many
of us, in practice, you are entering your own checklist (that may be shared
with some other people's view on transparency in a specific case) that once
met, you will call the process transparent. That's why I interpreted what I
heard from you as "I" demand transparency, versus "we, as a movement"
demand transparency in this case.

To give you a more specific example: as an Iranian involved in Wikimedia
movement who knows Markus through his contributions to Wikidata and at a
professional/work level, I trusted Markus' words when he said that those in
early stages of the project didn't think of Wikidata as a project that one
day becomes as big as it is today. I believe it that this was a fun project
that they wanted to see succeed, but they were not sure at all if it gets
somewhere, so the natural thing to do for them was to spend time to see if
they can help it take off at all as opposed to spending time on documenting
decisions in case it takes off and they need to show to people how they
have done things. If trust between Markus and I were broken, however, I
would likely not be content with that level of response and I would
ask/demand for more explanation. In case (ii), and in the absence of a
shared practical definition of transparency, my personal priors and
understandings of the case would define when I call the process transparent.


> As far as I'm aware, this level is nothing like "a right for any
> individual to ask full transparency on any topic at whichever level it
> wants". This is just broad unfair generalization of what I said. I never
> demanded such an extensive transparency level, and I actually would raise
> against such a demand more vigorously than what I'm doing here in favor of
> more transparency on a scoped issue.
>
> My demand is on a scoped topic which, to my mind, is of deep importance
> for the general governance of the movement and its future as a whole. So if
> that is asking too much information, then yes it can be stated that I was
> wrong in my view regarding the expected level of transparency our community
> is demanding on its governance. Or maybe it's the importance of the topic
> and its impact that I'm miss-evaluating.
>
> I recognize I'm all but perfect, I do mistakes, and the form of my message
> was a terrible one. Exaggeratedly generalized interpretation of a
> transparency demand is however not a proper way to discard the underlying
> issue.
>

​Point taken. Those 3 categories and descriptions are not very carefully
crafted, partly because I wanted to share the general signals that I've
received from your messages (which btw, also touches on another topic: 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Esra’a Al Shafei to Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2017-12-02 Thread Samuel Klein
Fantastic.  !

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Christophe Henner 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> With the appointment of Raju to the Board of Trustees a couple of months
> ago, we were left with a remaining open vacancy to fill. I am thrilled to
> share that after several months of searching and discussions, we have made
> another important appointment. At our November Board Retreat, the Board
> appointed and welcomed Esra’a Al Shafei to fill our vacant expert seat.
>
> Esra'a is a prominent international human rights activist and social
> entrepreneur. She founded and directs Majal, a nonprofit which utilizes
> digital media to amplify under-reported and marginalized voices throughout
> the Middle East and North Africa. For those of you that heard her keynote
> presentation at this year's Wikimania, I think you will agree she will make
> a very valuable addition to the Board and brings an important perspective
> and skillset to the Board's efforts.
>
> Below (and on the Wikimedia Blog) you will find the official announcement
> about Esra’a Al Shafei. Please join me in warmly welcoming her to the
> Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees and to the Wikimedia movement!
>
> Christophe
> Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
>
> P.S. Due to the nature of Esra’a’s work, sharing photos or videos of Esra’a
> may endanger her safety or the safety of others. To help ensure the privacy
> and safety of Esra’a and her colleagues, we are not sharing any photographs
> or videos of Esra'a. We ask that you please join us in supporting this
> important safety consideration.
>
>
> Press release
>
> Header: Esra'a Al Shafei joins Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
>
> Subheader: Bahraini human rights activist and social entrepreneur brings to
> the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees more than a decade of experience
> in applying creative solutions to challenges faced by underserved and
> underrepresented communities.
>
> Image: https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Esraa.png[a]
>  LuEi5a9gJDpB7HWEft4/mobilebasic#cmnt1>
> [b]
>  LuEi5a9gJDpB7HWEft4/mobilebasic#cmnt2>
> [c]
>  LuEi5a9gJDpB7HWEft4/mobilebasic#cmnt3>
> [d]
>  LuEi5a9gJDpB7HWEft4/mobilebasic#cmnt4>
>
> San Francisco, California, 1 December 2017 — The Wikimedia Foundation today
> announced the appointment of Esra'a Al Shafei, a prominent human rights
> activist and a passionate defender of free expression, to the Wikimedia
> Foundation Board of Trustees.
>
> A native of Bahrain, Esra'a’s work aims to increase and protect free
> speech, promote expression for youth and underrepresented voices, and
> improve the lives of LGBTQ people in the Middle East and North Africa. She
> founded and directs Majal, a network of online platforms that
> amplify under-reported and marginalized voices.
>
> “Esra'a shares Wikimedia's foundational belief that shared knowledge can
> facilitate shared understanding,” said Wikimedia Foundation Executive
> Director, Katherine Maher. "Her achievements exemplify how intentional
> community building can be a powerful tool for positive change, while
> her passion
> for beautiful and engaging user experiences will only elevate our work. We
> are so fortunate to have her perspective in support of our global Wikimedia
> communities."
>
> Esra'a founded Majal in 2006 as Mideast Youth, at the time a series of
> blogs bringing a voice to marginalized and underrepresented young
> people across the Middle East. Today, the organization's team helps build
> communities that celebrate, protect, and promote diversity and social
> justice. Their endeavors include CrowdVoice.org, which curates crowdsourced
> media to contextualize social movements throughout the world; Mideast
> Tunes, the largest web and mobile app showcasing underground musicians in
> the Middle East and North Africa who use music as a tool for social change;
> and Ahwaa.org, an open discussion platform for Arab LGBTQ individuals that
> uses game mechanics to protect and engage its community.
>
>
> “When I first encountered Wikipedia shortly after obtaining an internet
> connection in the early 2000s, I felt that the true purpose of the internet
> was realized. With Wikipedia, I accessed research regarding persecuted
> communities in my home country and the wider region: ethnic and religious
> minorities whom we were discouraged from learning about, and whose
> histories and beliefs were dictated to us from a singular government
> perspective. Wikipedia’s open source and crowdsourcing practices would
> inspire the platforms I built to advocate for underrepresented communities,
> and the internet would shape my life’s work in advocating for freedom of
> expression and identity 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Esra’a Al Shafei to Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2017-12-02 Thread phoebe ayers
Congratulations everyone! Esra'a is a wonderful addition to the Board. I'm
delighted she was able to join!

Best,
Phoebe

PS on the photos question, I worked closely with Esra'a on this for
Wikimania - it was not difficult to accommodate no photos of her, and it's
important. She has a lot of experience with how to do this practically in
group situations - being out of frame, etc - and I don't think a reluctance
to have photos of herself online changes her, or our, commitment to
crowdsourced, well-documented open projects in the slightest.

On Dec 1, 2017 3:59 PM, "Christophe Henner"  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> With the appointment of Raju to the Board of Trustees a couple of months
> ago, we were left with a remaining open vacancy to fill. I am thrilled to
> share that after several months of searching and discussions, we have made
> another important appointment. At our November Board Retreat, the Board
> appointed and welcomed Esra’a Al Shafei to fill our vacant expert seat.
>
> Esra'a is a prominent international human rights activist and social
> entrepreneur. She founded and directs Majal, a nonprofit which utilizes
> digital media to amplify under-reported and marginalized voices throughout
> the Middle East and North Africa. For those of you that heard her keynote
> presentation at this year's Wikimania, I think you will agree she will make
> a very valuable addition to the Board and brings an important perspective
> and skillset to the Board's efforts.
>
> Below (and on the Wikimedia Blog) you will find the official announcement
> about Esra’a Al Shafei. Please join me in warmly welcoming her to the
> Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees and to the Wikimedia movement!
>
> Christophe
> Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
>
> P.S. Due to the nature of Esra’a’s work, sharing photos or videos of Esra’a
> may endanger her safety or the safety of others. To help ensure the privacy
> and safety of Esra’a and her colleagues, we are not sharing any photographs
> or videos of Esra'a. We ask that you please join us in supporting this
> important safety consideration.
>
>
> Press release
>
> Header: Esra'a Al Shafei joins Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
>
> Subheader: Bahraini human rights activist and social entrepreneur brings to
> the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees more than a decade of experience
> in applying creative solutions to challenges faced by underserved and
> underrepresented communities.
>
> Image: https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Esraa.png[a]
>  LuEi5a9gJDpB7HWEft4/mobilebasic#cmnt1>
> [b]
>  LuEi5a9gJDpB7HWEft4/mobilebasic#cmnt2>
> [c]
>  LuEi5a9gJDpB7HWEft4/mobilebasic#cmnt3>
> [d]
>  LuEi5a9gJDpB7HWEft4/mobilebasic#cmnt4>
>
> San Francisco, California, 1 December 2017 — The Wikimedia Foundation today
> announced the appointment of Esra'a Al Shafei, a prominent human rights
> activist and a passionate defender of free expression, to the Wikimedia
> Foundation Board of Trustees.
>
> A native of Bahrain, Esra'a’s work aims to increase and protect free
> speech, promote expression for youth and underrepresented voices, and
> improve the lives of LGBTQ people in the Middle East and North Africa. She
> founded and directs Majal, a network of online platforms that
> amplify under-reported and marginalized voices.
>
> “Esra'a shares Wikimedia's foundational belief that shared knowledge can
> facilitate shared understanding,” said Wikimedia Foundation Executive
> Director, Katherine Maher. "Her achievements exemplify how intentional
> community building can be a powerful tool for positive change, while
> her passion
> for beautiful and engaging user experiences will only elevate our work. We
> are so fortunate to have her perspective in support of our global Wikimedia
> communities."
>
> Esra'a founded Majal in 2006 as Mideast Youth, at the time a series of
> blogs bringing a voice to marginalized and underrepresented young
> people across the Middle East. Today, the organization's team helps build
> communities that celebrate, protect, and promote diversity and social
> justice. Their endeavors include CrowdVoice.org, which curates crowdsourced
> media to contextualize social movements throughout the world; Mideast
> Tunes, the largest web and mobile app showcasing underground musicians in
> the Middle East and North Africa who use music as a tool for social change;
> and Ahwaa.org, an open discussion platform for Arab LGBTQ individuals that
> uses game mechanics to protect and engage its community.
>
>
> “When I first encountered Wikipedia shortly after obtaining an internet
> connection in the early 2000s, I felt that the true purpose of the internet
> was realized. With 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brazil

2017-12-02 Thread Milos Rancic
Since WMF is not interested in the deescalation of the conflict and
actively obstructs the mediation process by doing something it said
just a couple of days it wont' do, I am leaving my role as a mediator
in this dispute resolution.

P.S. This was for your information. I am not interested in your opinion.

On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Milos Rancic  wrote:
> Chico, Rodrigo and I had a very good meeting today. It lasted one hour
> and half, we were talking about various topics (via Google Hangouts)
> they care of and we've reached the agreement about the initial steps.
> (They've both agreed to lift the communication ban while talking with
> me.)
>
> Before taking mediation to myself, I've asked Patricio to do the same,
> but he is busy these days and he will join it in few months, after he
> comes out the busy days. (Both Rodrigo and Chico agreed with Patricio
> as a mediator, as well.)
>
> At this point of time, we've concluded the following:
>
> * Rodrigo apologized to Chico for harsh words.
> * Chico promised that their group won't raise the issues between the
> groups further.
> * Both of them agreed to treat this as their internal problem they are
> working to solve.
> * At the end of the week I will have separate meetings with Chico and
> Joao on one side and Rodrigo and Henrique on the other.
> * In two weeks, Rodrigo, Chico and I will have the next meeting.
>
> At this point of time and as long as I mediate in this case, I would
> ask WMF to refrain from any actions.
>
> I will inform you about the next steps and let's hope we'll solve this
> situation in the next couple of months.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Esra’a Al Shafei to Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2017-12-02 Thread Scott MacLeod
Welcome, Esra'a !

Fantastic, and congratulations!

Regards, Scott



On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Pierre-Selim 
wrote:

> Welcome Esra'a !
>
> Le 1 déc. 2017 23:23, "Michael Peel"  a écrit :
>
> > Thank you, Esra’a, for volunteering!
> >
> > However, I’m very concerned by this:
> >
> > "P.S. Due to the nature of Esra’a’s work, sharing photos or videos of
> > Esra’a may endanger her safety or the safety of others. To help ensure
> the
> > privacy and safety of Esra’a and her colleagues, we are not sharing any
> > photographs or videos of Esra'a. We ask that you please join us in
> > supporting this important safety consideration.”
> >
> > This is security by obscurity (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q133735) -
> > which is at best a temporary measure that won’t last, particularly in a
> > high-profile position like this. Aside from the potential media coverage,
> > Wikimedia events are very well photographed by Wikimedians who want to
> > illustrate a rather well-read encyclopaedia… This leads to an awkward
> > situation where someone’s safety and Wikimedia’s openness are
> conflicting,
> > which is not OK.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> > > On 1 Dec 2017, at 19:59, Katherine Maher  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you, Christophe, for sharing this excellent news.
> > >
> > > Those of you who were at Wikimania or watching on the livestream had
> the
> > > chance to get acquainted with Esra'a through her keynote. I'm certain
> > that,
> > > if you were part of that audience, you'll join me in agreeing that she
> is
> > > an exceptional and accomplished individual who brings a whole host of
> > > talents to our movement. I'm personally delighted that she will be
> > lending
> > > her perspective and wisdom to our movement and to the governance of the
> > > Wikimedia Foundation. There is so much we can learn from her, and I
> hope
> > > she finds her tenure on the Board to be rewarding.
> > >
> > > Esra'a, thank you so very much for joining our Board and engaging even
> > more
> > > with our movement! It is an honor to have this opportunity to work with
> > you.
> > >
> > > Yours,
> > > Katherine
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Liam Wyatt 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Fantastic Wikimania keynote, fascinating addition to the board,
> fabulous
> > >> addition to our community.
> > >>
> > >> Welcome.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 at 22:28, Anna Stillwell  >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Welcome, Esra'a. Thank you for taking the time to serve. I look
> forward
> > >> to
> > >>> your contribution.
> > >>> /a
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Christophe Henner <
> > >> chen...@wikimedia.org>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  Hi everyone,
> > 
> >  With the appointment of Raju to the Board of Trustees a couple of
> > >> months
> >  ago, we were left with a remaining open vacancy to fill. I am
> thrilled
> > >> to
> >  share that after several months of searching and discussions, we
> have
> > >>> made
> >  another important appointment. At our November Board Retreat, the
> > Board
> >  appointed and welcomed Esra’a Al Shafei to fill our vacant expert
> > seat.
> > 
> >  Esra'a is a prominent international human rights activist and social
> >  entrepreneur. She founded and directs Majal, a nonprofit which
> > utilizes
> >  digital media to amplify under-reported and marginalized voices
> > >>> throughout
> >  the Middle East and North Africa. For those of you that heard her
> > >> keynote
> >  presentation at this year's Wikimania, I think you will agree she
> will
> > >>> make
> >  a very valuable addition to the Board and brings an important
> > >> perspective
> >  and skillset to the Board's efforts.
> > 
> >  Below (and on the Wikimedia Blog) you will find the official
> > >> announcement
> >  about Esra’a Al Shafei. Please join me in warmly welcoming her to
> the
> >  Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees and to the Wikimedia
> movement!
> > 
> >  Christophe
> >  Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
> > 
> >  P.S. Due to the nature of Esra’a’s work, sharing photos or videos of
> > >>> Esra’a
> >  may endanger her safety or the safety of others. To help ensure the
> > >>> privacy
> >  and safety of Esra’a and her colleagues, we are not sharing any
> > >>> photographs
> >  or videos of Esra'a. We ask that you please join us in supporting
> this
> >  important safety consideration.
> > 
> > 
> >  Press release
> > 
> >  Header: Esra'a Al Shafei joins Wikimedia Foundation Board of
> Trustees
> > 
> >  Subheader: Bahraini human rights activist and social entrepreneur
> > >> brings
> > >>> to
> >  the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees more than a decade of
> > >>> experience
> >  in applying creative solutions to challenges 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Esra’a Al Shafei to Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2017-12-02 Thread Isaac Olatunde
Respecting the privacy of others is one of our core values as a movement.
Esra’a Al Shafei is not an anonymous person, AFAIK. If they are not willing
to share their photos or video or does not wish to be photographed, I don't
see any problem with that and I think we should respect their decision.

Regards,

Isaac

On Dec 2, 2017 5:31 AM, "Cristian Consonni"  wrote:

> On 01/12/2017 23:22, Michael Peel wrote:
> > Thank you, Esra’a, for volunteering!
>
> Welcome,Esra'a!
>
> > However, I’m very concerned by this:
> >
> > "P.S. Due to the nature of Esra’a’s work, sharing photos or videos of
> Esra’a may endanger her safety or the safety of others. To help ensure the
> privacy and safety of Esra’a and her colleagues, we are not sharing any
> photographs or videos of Esra'a. We ask that you please join us in
> supporting this important safety consideration.”
> >
> > This is security by obscurity (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q133735) -
> which is at best a temporary measure that won’t last, particularly in a
> high-profile position like this. Aside from the potential media coverage,
> Wikimedia events are very well photographed by Wikimedians who want to
> illustrate a rather well-read encyclopaedia… This leads to an awkward
> situation where someone’s safety and Wikimedia’s openness are conflicting,
> which is not OK.
>
> Sorry, but I have to disagree, Mike.
>
> Openness - as generally understood in Wikimedia - does not conflict with
> respecting someone's privacy, much less so with not endangering their
> safety. I believe that respecting the privacy and anonymity of our
> editors (and readers, as well) is a value of Wikimedia.
>
> Furthermore, I feel that Wikimedians value very highly their privacy and
> anonimity, in fact, there are several Wikipedians with whom I have
> edited pages for years now, and I still have no idea of their real
> names, their age, their gender or where they live. All I know is their
> nicknames on the projects and it's perfectly fine like that. There are
> several rules that the communities have adopted to protect the privacy
> and anonymity of every user.
>
> Even at in-person events, there are usually ways to signal the fact that
> one does not want to be photographed or have photos or recordings of
> him/her, put online. You can also wear a badge with just your nickname
> and not your real name, so that's not new even for our live events.
>
> I agree with the idea that occupying a high-profile position and trying
> to limit one's own exposure are conflicting goals, but I am sure that
> this was very carefully.
>
> So, I understand that this may seem different from the usual, but,
> actually, it is not.
>
> Ciao,
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Esra’a Al Shafei to Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2017-12-02 Thread María Sefidari
Welcome Esra'a! I look forward to working with you. :)

Mike, as Cristian says - the Wikimedia movement has a history of trying to
balance the safety concerns of volunteers in not-so-free regions (to put it
mildly...) with having them contribute to our projects and events. We
*need* these contributions, these voices - but we can sometimes be
hard-pressed to understand the challenges associated. Esra'a is not
requesting "security by obscurity" - she already has had ample media
coverage and recognition, as can be read in the announcement. She has even
attended and given a (wonderful) keynote at Wikimania a few months ago. We
*can* successfully figure out together how to balance having her voice
present while respecting her safety needs.

Again, thank you Esra'a for your willingness to take up the challenge of
serving on the WMF Board!

Kind regards,

María


El 2 dic. 2017 5:31, "Cristian Consonni"  escribió:

On 01/12/2017 23:22, Michael Peel wrote:
> Thank you, Esra’a, for volunteering!

Welcome,Esra'a!

> However, I’m very concerned by this:
>
> "P.S. Due to the nature of Esra’a’s work, sharing photos or videos of
Esra’a may endanger her safety or the safety of others. To help ensure the
privacy and safety of Esra’a and her colleagues, we are not sharing any
photographs or videos of Esra'a. We ask that you please join us in
supporting this important safety consideration.”
>
> This is security by obscurity (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q133735) -
which is at best a temporary measure that won’t last, particularly in a
high-profile position like this. Aside from the potential media coverage,
Wikimedia events are very well photographed by Wikimedians who want to
illustrate a rather well-read encyclopaedia… This leads to an awkward
situation where someone’s safety and Wikimedia’s openness are conflicting,
which is not OK.

Sorry, but I have to disagree, Mike.

Openness - as generally understood in Wikimedia - does not conflict with
respecting someone's privacy, much less so with not endangering their
safety. I believe that respecting the privacy and anonymity of our
editors (and readers, as well) is a value of Wikimedia.

Furthermore, I feel that Wikimedians value very highly their privacy and
anonimity, in fact, there are several Wikipedians with whom I have
edited pages for years now, and I still have no idea of their real
names, their age, their gender or where they live. All I know is their
nicknames on the projects and it's perfectly fine like that. There are
several rules that the communities have adopted to protect the privacy
and anonymity of every user.

Even at in-person events, there are usually ways to signal the fact that
one does not want to be photographed or have photos or recordings of
him/her, put online. You can also wear a badge with just your nickname
and not your real name, so that's not new even for our live events.

I agree with the idea that occupying a high-profile position and trying
to limit one's own exposure are conflicting goals, but I am sure that
this was very carefully.

So, I understand that this may seem different from the usual, but,
actually, it is not.

Ciao,



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Esra’a Al Shafei to Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2017-12-02 Thread Leinonen Teemu
Welcome Esra’a! 

And thank you Cristian for remming us all, about one of the (non-written :-) 
core values of Wikimedia. From the very beginning of the movement the idea that 
people can participate anonymously and that we respect privacy has been 
important. Lets keep it this way. 

- Teemu 

> On 2 Dec 2017, at 6.31, Cristian Consonni  wrote:
> 
> On 01/12/2017 23:22, Michael Peel wrote:
>> Thank you, Esra’a, for volunteering!
> 
> Welcome,Esra'a!
> 
>> However, I’m very concerned by this:
>> 
>> "P.S. Due to the nature of Esra’a’s work, sharing photos or videos of Esra’a 
>> may endanger her safety or the safety of others. To help ensure the privacy 
>> and safety of Esra’a and her colleagues, we are not sharing any photographs 
>> or videos of Esra'a. We ask that you please join us in supporting this 
>> important safety consideration.”
>> 
>> This is security by obscurity (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q133735) - 
>> which is at best a temporary measure that won’t last, particularly in a 
>> high-profile position like this. Aside from the potential media coverage, 
>> Wikimedia events are very well photographed by Wikimedians who want to 
>> illustrate a rather well-read encyclopaedia… This leads to an awkward 
>> situation where someone’s safety and Wikimedia’s openness are conflicting, 
>> which is not OK.
> 
> Sorry, but I have to disagree, Mike.
> 
> Openness - as generally understood in Wikimedia - does not conflict with
> respecting someone's privacy, much less so with not endangering their
> safety. I believe that respecting the privacy and anonymity of our
> editors (and readers, as well) is a value of Wikimedia.
> 
> Furthermore, I feel that Wikimedians value very highly their privacy and
> anonimity, in fact, there are several Wikipedians with whom I have
> edited pages for years now, and I still have no idea of their real
> names, their age, their gender or where they live. All I know is their
> nicknames on the projects and it's perfectly fine like that. There are
> several rules that the communities have adopted to protect the privacy
> and anonymity of every user.
> 
> Even at in-person events, there are usually ways to signal the fact that
> one does not want to be photographed or have photos or recordings of
> him/her, put online. You can also wear a badge with just your nickname
> and not your real name, so that's not new even for our live events.
> 
> I agree with the idea that occupying a high-profile position and trying
> to limit one's own exposure are conflicting goals, but I am sure that
> this was very carefully.
> 
> So, I understand that this may seem different from the usual, but,
> actually, it is not.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Esra’a Al Shafei to Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2017-12-02 Thread Leinonen Teemu
Welcome Esra’a,

Thanks Cristian for remming us all, about one of the (non-written :-) core 
values of Wikimedia. From the very beginning of the movement the idea that 
people can participate anonymously and that we respect privacy has been 
important. Lets keep it this way.

- Teemu

On 2 Dec 2017, at 6.31, Cristian Consonni  wrote:

On 01/12/2017 23:22, Michael Peel wrote:
Thank you, Esra’a, for volunteering!

Welcome,Esra'a!

However, I’m very concerned by this:

"P.S. Due to the nature of Esra’a’s work, sharing photos or videos of Esra’a 
may endanger her safety or the safety of others. To help ensure the privacy and 
safety of Esra’a and her colleagues, we are not sharing any photographs or 
videos of Esra'a. We ask that you please join us in supporting this important 
safety consideration.”

This is security by obscurity (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q133735) - which 
is at best a temporary measure that won’t last, particularly in a high-profile 
position like this. Aside from the potential media coverage, Wikimedia events 
are very well photographed by Wikimedians who want to illustrate a rather 
well-read encyclopaedia… This leads to an awkward situation where someone’s 
safety and Wikimedia’s openness are conflicting, which is not OK.

Sorry, but I have to disagree, Mike.

Openness - as generally understood in Wikimedia - does not conflict with
respecting someone's privacy, much less so with not endangering their
safety. I believe that respecting the privacy and anonymity of our
editors (and readers, as well) is a value of Wikimedia.

Furthermore, I feel that Wikimedians value very highly their privacy and
anonimity, in fact, there are several Wikipedians with whom I have
edited pages for years now, and I still have no idea of their real
names, their age, their gender or where they live. All I know is their
nicknames on the projects and it's perfectly fine like that. There are
several rules that the communities have adopted to protect the privacy
and anonymity of every user.

Even at in-person events, there are usually ways to signal the fact that
one does not want to be photographed or have photos or recordings of
him/her, put online. You can also wear a badge with just your nickname
and not your real name, so that's not new even for our live events.

I agree with the idea that occupying a high-profile position and trying
to limit one's own exposure are conflicting goals, but I am sure that
this was very carefully.

So, I understand that this may seem different from the usual, but,
actually, it is not.

Ciao,



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