[Wikimedia-l] Final 2017 Brief Update - Fundraising

Hey all, For those heavy users of the English Wikipedia, you'll have noticed its been quiet on the banner front over the last week or so. This was to give the team a much needed and appreciated break over the Christmas period. We'll be doing a final push over the next 24 hours and we will be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 8:08 AM, John Erling Blad wrote: > As I recall, communication with newcomers by templates was found to be a > negative factor. > The results from past research are Not easy to summarize, and definitely not that simple, because of all the varying factors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

There are many million users registered in central auth. Most have not edited anywhere, and never even visited ar.wikipedia.org. welcoming these is actually harmful in a demonstrable way: readers will be notified of this useless welcome by email, or the notification tool. If this were multiplied

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

Norwegians in general does not use welcoming phrases unless you are family, close friend, or want something from a person. Or as friend said it; you welcome your sister and mother to the family party, the guy that shall buy your old rusty car, and your girlfriend when she comes over and you want

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

As I recall, communication with newcomers by templates was found to be a negative factor. Jeblad Den lør. 30. des. 2017, 16.58 skrev Jonathan Cardy < werespielchequ...@gmail.com>: > Hi Amir, > > It isn't too late to ask about the utility of welcome messages, but be > aware that there are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

Hi Amir, It isn't too late to ask about the utility of welcome messages, but be aware that there are reasons for their evolution over the last decade. Your email almost implied that this has been an unreviewed area for the last decade. There was some research a few years ago that concluded

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

Oh, I absolutely agree that there is an important cultural aspect here. That's why towards the end of the email I acknowledged that this has been done for many years. Nevertheless, it's worth occasionally stopping and thinking about the usefulness. These messages are supposed to be sent to new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

What are the good reason to be poaranoid? The only reason I ever heard is "is making me waste time", usually expressed wasting more time. BTW, after years of SUL most of the old time users have received a lot of welcome messages and they receive usually two new ones per year, no more in my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

Hi Ting, You make a fair point about culture, but the impression I got is that the welcomes were being sent to people who were not intentionally editing the arwiki, or aware that they were doing so, which makes this a cultural thing imposed on people who were not aware of it or expecting it,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

Hello Amir, I think what you are questioning is right. And it is necessary to ask such questions. In my day job it is my duty to ask and discuss such questions with my customers. But, with the time I sort of see that these pure utilitarian questions are not the only questions that we need

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

It's a good opportunity to step back and discuss a little something. The existence of pretty much every bot is a reason to think of a missing feature in the site's software. The same goes for templates and gadgets. Why do many wikis have custom welcome templates and bots that send them? The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

I cannot see malicious intention behind the use of the bot. If you don't feel spoken to, just ignore it. Why is this a so huge problem? Greetings Ting Am 29.12.2017 um 10:20 schrieb John Erling Blad: Users on other projects are complaining about the welcome messages at arwiki. A bot at