For those heavy users of the English Wikipedia, you'll have noticed its
been quiet on the banner front over the last week or so. This was to give
the team a much needed and appreciated break over the Christmas period.
We'll be doing a final push over the next 24 hours and we will be
On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 8:08 AM, John Erling Blad wrote:
> As I recall, communication with newcomers by templates was found to be a
> negative factor.
The results from past research are Not easy to summarize, and
definitely not that simple, because of all the varying factors
There are many million users registered in central auth. Most have not
edited anywhere, and never even visited ar.wikipedia.org. welcoming these
is actually harmful in a demonstrable way: readers will be notified of this
useless welcome by email, or the notification tool. If this were
Norwegians in general does not use welcoming phrases unless you are family,
close friend, or want something from a person. Or as friend said it; you
welcome your sister and mother to the family party, the guy that shall buy
your old rusty car, and your girlfriend when she comes over and you want
As I recall, communication with newcomers by templates was found to be a
Den lør. 30. des. 2017, 16.58 skrev Jonathan Cardy <
> Hi Amir,
> It isn't too late to ask about the utility of welcome messages, but be
> aware that there are
It isn't too late to ask about the utility of welcome messages, but be aware
that there are reasons for their evolution over the last decade. Your email
almost implied that this has been an unreviewed area for the last decade.
There was some research a few years ago that concluded
Oh, I absolutely agree that there is an important cultural aspect here.
That's why towards the end of the email I acknowledged that this has been
done for many years.
Nevertheless, it's worth occasionally stopping and thinking about the
usefulness. These messages are supposed to be sent to new
What are the good reason to be poaranoid? The only reason I ever heard is "is
making me waste time", usually expressed wasting more time.
BTW, after years of SUL most of the old time users have received a lot of
welcome messages and they receive usually two new ones per year, no more in my
Hi Ting, You make a fair point about culture, but the impression I got is that
the welcomes were being sent to people who were not intentionally editing the
arwiki, or aware that they were doing so, which makes this a cultural thing
imposed on people who were not aware of it or expecting it,
I think what you are questioning is right. And it is necessary to ask
such questions. In my day job it is my duty to ask and discuss such
questions with my customers.
But, with the time I sort of see that these pure utilitarian questions
are not the only questions that we need
It's a good opportunity to step back and discuss a little something.
The existence of pretty much every bot is a reason to think of a missing
feature in the site's software. The same goes for templates and gadgets.
Why do many wikis have custom welcome templates and bots that send them?
I cannot see malicious intention behind the use of the bot. If you don't
feel spoken to, just ignore it. Why is this a so huge problem?
Am 29.12.2017 um 10:20 schrieb John Erling Blad:
Users on other projects are complaining about the welcome messages at
arwiki. A bot at
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