Re: [Wikimedia-l] Would people be interested in a "Community Metrics and Activities Meeting"?

2018-07-28 Thread Pine W
 Hi all,

I am scheduling this meeting for Monday, July 30th at 7 PM UTC / 12 PM
Pacific. The number of people who have indicated interest is small, so this
will be more of a casual meetup than a formal event. I think that this type
of online international meetup could be fun and interesting. We'll see what
happens.

To join the meeting, you will need the Zoom software from
https://www.zoom.us, or you can join by telephone.

If you install the Zoom software then you can join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS
or Android with this link: https://zoom.us/528900812

As an alternative, you can join by telephone from many places throughout
the world. Phone numbers are listed at https://zoom.us/zoomconference. You
will need the meeting ID, which is 528-900-812. If you join by phone then
your phone number will be visible to other participants in the meeting.

If more people are interested in the future then I may do some thinking
about how to plan and organize the meeting, but for now we can be
relatively casual. My plan is to do a brief round of introductions at the
meeting, review some of the top-level metrics from around Wikimedia, and
then open the floor for roundtable discussion.

I look forward to the conversation on the 30th.

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Celebrating Wikimania 2018 online

2018-07-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
I have added the minimal I have to do for  Mozambique [1].  They are three
Listeria lists and consequently they will update. I do work on the data but
my objective is not to complete them all.  I add the relation to the higher
level "administrative and territorial entity". To do this I often add new
ones and change items that are a combination of two levels (eg a town and
an entity). These are different, require different statements.

What I also do is copy these queries to Wikipedias. I do that when I do
that. Now I am working on the Zulu Wikipedia so the Yoruba and other
Wikipedias have to wait.

My wish is for people to notice this work, contribute to it and use the
result in templates. In the Celtic Knot conference, at the recent
Wikimania, presentations were made how information can be provided from
Wikidata using infoboxes that require little expertise and work. When a
small Wikipedia does not have basic information like the places where
people were born or died, that information has to be available from
something different from articles. When it is not possible to link, the
article will quickly become rather empty.

There is an ongoing discussion to update the Incubator project by providing
them with wikis. Supporting them with data is something I have advocated
for years. Particularly Africa has not been treated equally, the
information / data gap is huge. Have a look at this as well when you care
for Mozambique [2].
Thanks,
  GerardM



[1]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GerardM/Geography_of_Mozambique
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GerardM/Africa#Mozambique

On 27 July 2018 at 00:25, Paulo Santos Perneta 
wrote:

> Hi
> ​
> Yaroslav ,
>
> I'm working with Mozambique as well. I've been thinking about adding all
> those divisions to Wikidata, and then generating the Wikipédia articles
> from that info (not "live", though, just copying the information). I
> believe it would be much quicker, and would fill and correct Wikidata
> entries on the way.
>
> If you are interested in using something like that, please drop me a note.
>
> ​All the best,
>
> Paulo​
>
>
> 2018-07-26 17:25 GMT+01:00 Yaroslav Blanter :
>
> > Hi Gerard,
> >
> > when you come to Mozambique, pls let me know, there are reliable sources
> > down to the third level administrative divisions. For example, the two
> > sources present in
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzi_District
> >
> > are available for every district (though I so far only added about half
> of
> > them to the English Wikipedia articles).
> >
> > Cheers
> > ​​
> > Yaroslav
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
> > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > I do blog and tweet using #AfricaGap..  At this time I am adding
> > countries
> > > and their "administrative and territorial entities" in Wikidata. In
> many
> > a
> > > Wikipedia, they want to have "human settlements" linked to the lowest
> > level
> > > and these to every time a higher level.
> > >
> > > What I do is add more and more countries. The information is
> incomplete.
> > It
> > > takes a lot of people and a lot of time to get this done. To gain
> > > participation, I add Listeria list to a set of Wikipedias. I work on
> > > cleaning up the data but there is much to be done. One of the benefits
> of
> > > the Listeria lists for me is that I notice any and all activity. After
> > > Wikimania there was a spike, thanks to some bot work.
> > >
> > > What I have noticed is that information on Wikipedias did not keep up
> > with
> > > changes that rearanged these "territories". Consequently start and end
> > > dates are missing on many items. For me, the current situation is most
> > > relevant and historic "territories" are not really considered by me.
> > >
> > > You find what I am working on here [1]. You will find much of the same
> > data
> > > on several (African language) Wikipedias.
> > > Thanks,
> > >  GerardM
> > >
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GerardM/Africa#African_
> > > geographical_subdivisions
> > >
> > > On 26 July 2018 at 12:33, KuboF Hromoslav 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Great idea Romaine!
> > > >
> > > > I am now working on Esperanto Wikivoyage (in Incubator), mostly to
> make
> > > it
> > > > fully working. Now I am finishing Europe and immediately after that I
> > > will
> > > > focus on Africa (not only for the Africagap and to help our
> colleagues
> > > but
> > > > also to support tourism and facilitate meetings in Africa).
> > > >
> > > > See you online!
> > > > KuboF Hromoslav
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > po 23. 7. 2018 o 20:25 Romaine Wiki 
> > napísal(a):
> > > >
> > > > > The official part of Wikimania is over, this does not prevent
> > ourselves
> > > > > from celebrating Africa's first Wikimania online, in more
> particular:
> > > > > writing Wikipedia articles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Africa is under represented in Wikipedia, by writing about it we
> both
> > > > > celebrate our great 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "State of Wikimedia Research" presentation at Wikimania 2018

2018-07-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
Thank you Pine, you had me interested and I watched the presentation. I
even blogged about it. Benjamin mentioned some numbers and sadly at this
time Wikidata cannot corroborate what he had to say. Doing that is a
challenge but hey, it is our own dogfood.
Thanks,
 GerardM

https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2018/07/wikipedia-where-is-all-that-research.html

On 27 July 2018 at 22:26, Pine W  wrote:

> In case people are interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE2UQu3r6vE
>
>
> The topics covered include:
> * Media and images
> * Talk page debates
> * Comparisons of Wikipedia language editions
> * Who is not participating?
> * Wikipedia as a source of data
>
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
I have. I have heard a very senior person in the WMF state that English is
the only relevant language..

PS We did not agree on that one ..

Thanks,
   GerardM

On 27 July 2018 at 13:35, Paulo Santos Perneta 
wrote:

> Hello Jane,
>
> >
> ​
> I think that we are in fact split down the middle into parties that believe
> "some languages are better than others" and "let's save all existing
> languages on the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- and
> offline".
>
> ​I don't know why do you wrote this, as I never had this impression, at
> all. We are split by languages since ​the Babel Tower was embargoed by God,
> but I never, ever remember hearing someone saying or even hinting that
> "some languages are better than others".
>
> All the best,
>
> Paulo
>
>
> 2018-07-25 8:28 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell :
>
> > Hmm. Yes and no. Yes the May 2017 conference suffered from some
> interesting
> > selection bias, but no the people there were not all brainwashed into
> > forgetting their "wildness". We are all still wild wild Wikipedians at
> > heart, speaking for the 2006 cohort in its entirety. I really doubt
> whether
> > the WMF is trying to shove us all in a direction of their choosing.
> > ​​
> > I think
> > that we are in fact split down the middle into parties that believe "some
> > languages are better than others" and "let's save all existing languages
> on
> > the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- and offline". Then
> > there is a huge discrepancy in workflow for these people and the folks
> who
> > work in just one language and never think of language as a movement topic
> > at all. Among this monolingual crowd (many of whom do not subscribe to
> any
> > mailing list or other communication outlets) are the overlapping groups
> > between the "field workers" and the "library workers". The field workers
> > tend to operate more by a "drive-by" methodology, and the "library
> workers"
> > tend to operate more by a "step-by-step" methodology. I respectfully
> submit
> > that we have all dabbled in all of these worlds and therefore we all have
> > enough common sense to shout "Whoa!" if something really really wrong
> gets
> > proposed. But in the past I have felt quite strongly that something was
> > really really wrong, but it turned out it was just a factor of me being
> > unaware of workflow difficulties experienced by others. So e.g.
> personally
> > I was against the idea of "protected pages" but have come around to
> seeing
> > they are useful - even on Wikidata.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Anders Wennersten <
> > m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote:
> >
> > > As I see it the strategy process is run for the functionaries in the
> > > movement and by them. People with focus on contributing to the projects
> > are
> > > not involved, when volunteers is mentioned it is mostly people running
> > > worskhops for beginners etc, a kind of semi functionaries, not the hard
> > > core contributes.
> > >
> > > This could be a good thing and foster a new set of moment leaders,
> fully
> > > in agreement with goals and strategy. It could also be seen as a
> > weakness,
> > > as we do not recognize the more "wild" (but creative)y culture in our
> > > communities and only have the "nice" and obedient culture being
> accepted.
> > >
> > > Facts
> > >
> > > The vision  was really created in Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries
> > >
> > > The way forward was defined by Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries
> > >
> > > The set up of work groups was from the beginning set up  to include
> > (only)
> > > functionaries (time requirement, and first it was also talked of
> > candidates
> > > should be endorsed by local chapters). And the actual selection was not
> > > done transparent as is the culture of the communities but by "boss"
> > > selection (I only feel the movement is starting to resemble a big
> > company,
> > > not the vibrant communities)
> > >
> > > Anders
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Den 2018-07-24 kl. 21:29, skrev Yaroslav Blanter:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:16 PM, David Cuenca Tudela <
> dacu...@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I do not know what really happened but if I listen to what has been
> said
> > >> here and earlier on similar occasions, my conclusion is that for the
> > >> Strategy Team we - volunteers who are working on the projects but are
> > not
> > >> associated with the chapters, do not show up at Wikimania, do not
> attend
> > >> real-life tutorials organized by WMF - just do not exist.
> > >>
> > >> If this is the case, this is a serious gap to be bridged. So far I
> have
> > >> net
> > >> see even an acknowledgement of its existence.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >> Yaroslav
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Inc. working with Go Fish Digital, a company that whitewashes Wikipedia

2018-07-28 Thread Alex Monk
On 28 July 2018 at 03:19, Gregory Varnum  wrote:

> Thank you to everyone that has provided thoughtful and constructive input
> on this discussion, and to the volunteers who are investigating the
> possible policy violations. We have some additional information on this
> vendor relationship and on steps being taken that we believe will be
> helpful to this discussion.

[...]

As we are now aware of the vendor's possible violations and feel they
> should have shared this information with us during discussions, we will not
> be pursuing any future working relationship with Go Fish Digital and will
> be requesting that they honor our contractual agreement by not discussing
> their past relationship with us for promotional purposes. Additionally, we
> are reviewing the way that this vendor was selected in an effort to see if
> we can identify what led to this issue and better identify these types of
> concerns when identifying future vendors and executing agreements with them.

Thank you, it sounds like some lessons have/are being learnt.

On 28 July 2018 at 03:19, Gregory Varnum  wrote:

> they did not request or receive access to any Wikimedia user data. The
> contract concluded last month.
>
This is interesting, considering they asked for and received some data
according to:
* https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T194287 - this one didn't happen but
shows they requested some data
* https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193052 - where they received the above
data, I'm assuming that Googlebot etc. bots are not being considered
Wikimedia Users under your definition.
* https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192893 - they have some access until
Wednesday (while the contract ended last month)? That console apparently
includes some PII, which may include 'actual users'? Are they 'Google
users' instead of 'Wikimedia users' at that point? Some clarification on
this might be a good idea.

On 28 July 2018 at 03:19, Gregory Varnum  wrote:

> Again, we appreciate the attention provided to this by the functionaries
> and others who raised these concerns.


There's two more interesting things I noticed from looking at the SPI page:
* The article on SurveyMonkey is listed in the current case. I believe
that's another company/site that has been used by Wikimedia in the past.
** I'm not sure if it's still in use.
** I haven't looked into who made what edit, and the 'LinkedIn search'
comment next to it doesn't tell me much.
* In the history, Deskana (the volunteer account of an Audiences department
PM involved in the Go Fish Digital engagement based on the above phab
links, who is also a CU) was one of the people to have closed a case on
this SPI page the past, for inactivity in December (a few months before the
engagement): https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?
title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/BurritoSlayer&
diff=815611486=805166806=source
** I'm not aware of any Go Fish Digital connection being known at that
point in time so hopefully this was entirely normal and not of any concern.
** When did Go Fish Digital in particular first get proposed within the
foundation exactly?
** Who has been included in the functionaries' discussion on this subject?
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