Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-11-18 Thread Mathieu Lovato Stumpf Guntz

Hello Peter, and the rest of the rest of the list

(Please let me know if you feel like replying with a few months delay is 
perceived as an unwanted behavior, at list on the list. I don't feel 
like this issue as been closed in the mid time, so it seems to me that 
it is still relevant to provide some feedback.)


I would rather say, "if not recorded". And I think we already have all 
the necessary projects to publish the raw audio/video material (Commons) 
from which can be transcribed original interviews (Wikinews), before 
making researches that cross their informations, analyze them and aim to 
produce some syntheses/conclusions (Wikiversity), that might possibly 
serve as reference for Wikipedia¹. But even in the case were the 
Wikipedia step is not happening, the firsts elements are also worthy 
contributions to the sum of all knowledge and we should, to my mind, 
encourage, conduct and praise them as such.


Cheers,
mathieu

Le 11/05/2018 à 06:34, Peter Southwood a écrit :

If not written, how would they be referenced and verified?
Cheers,
Peter

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of 
Jean-Philippe Béland
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 6:28 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

You are missing the whole point. I'm not talking about second guessing
sources but rather changing our narrow point of views of what we consider
sources of knowledge. A lot of cultures are of oral tradition and not
written.

JP

On Thu, May 10, 2018, 16:42 Todd Allen,  wrote:


Abandoning notability and verifiability is a wide open sign for spammers
and hoaxers. We have enough of that without giving them an engraved
invitation.

If published sources are biased, the efforts to correct that should be made
at the source (literally) level. Just like rather than "disputing" a
reliable source, if we found evidence that contradicts them, we'd ask them
to correct, and then once they do we'll update the article accordingly
based on their correction. Wikipedia is not there to second-guess what
sources choose to publish or find "alternative" or "non-western" or
whatever else have you types of information. If our references are flawed,
the solution lies in getting them to correct what they're doing, not
"correcting" for any perceived bias by editors. We reflect sources, we do
not second-guess, dispute, or correct them.

Todd

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:


When Wikipedia was new and unknown there were not so many people wanting
to use it for purposes that conflict with our purposes. Times change.
Cheers,
Peter

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Béland
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:30 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

If we where that septic at the beginning, we will never have started
Wikipedia to begin with. Really, an encyclopedia written by anyone

without

any authority to double check before it is published? It is doomed to

fail.

Yes, in theory, but practice showed us otherwise. The question is not to
remove notability and verifiability requirements, but to change those
requirements to be more inclusive of different ways of sharing

knowledge. I

think practice can show us otherwise in that case too if we are ready to

do

that leap of faith, the same way we did at the beginning of Wikipedia

when

we opened editing to anybody.

JP

On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:05 AM Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:


One Jar'Edo Wens hoax is enough, and that lasted 10 years in spite of
notability and verifiability requirements, Without the verifiability
requirement  it would probably still be there. Leaps of faith are

things

that I do not generally do, I am a natural sceptic and prefer evidence,

and

where possible, reproducible results. When the evidence is intangible,

the

authors must take responsibility for their work, and that means track
record and proof of identity.
This would be more easily fitted into a new project. I do not see it as
possible in Wikipedia. If the new project became recognised as a

reliable

source then Wikipedia could use it as a source, without destroying the
credibility we have.
Cheers,
Peter

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
Behalf Of Gnangarra
Sent: 10 May 2018 15:50
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

  notability and verifiability are important,  every culture and

language

has this issue when it comes to sharing knowledge.  These culture

manage

successfully to share knowledge many of them long before the western

styles

were developed, I'd say they are robust alternatives.  The issue is how

do

we bring these sources into the western system, 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Summit 2019 – Office Hours

2018-11-18 Thread Cornelius Kibelka
Just as a reminder: The second Office Hour is still ongoing – you can join
until 19:00 [7 PM] UTC. Link to hangout:
https://meet.google.com/xaw-zecx-fam

Cheers
Cornelius

On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 at 17:43, Cornelius Kibelka <
cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> We have received feedback that it might be harder this year to select the
> one delegate of your affiliate to attend the Wikimedia Summit. Also beyond
> the selection, questions arose and arise regularly around the purpose and
> objectives of the Wikimedia Summit as well as the connection to the
> Movement strategy process.
>
> As an initiative to provide clarity and support from the the Organizing
> team and the Movement Strategy Core Team, I’m hosting two office hours via
> Google Hangout. To cover more time zones and availabilities, there will be
> two calls (but both with the same content, no need to attend both):
>
>
>-
>
>Thursday, November 15, 8:00 [8 AM] UTC – link to hangout:
>https://meet.google.com/uzh-chey-rsf
>-
>
>Sunday, November 18, 18:00 [6 PM] UTC – link to hangout:
>https://meet.google.com/xaw-zecx-fam
>
>
> If you are unavailable at these proposed time slots, we can either arrange
> a call separately or you can follow up via email.
>
> As always, please let us know your concerns and questions.
>
> Best regards
>
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-- 
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http://spenden.wikimedia.de/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia's sourcing

2018-11-18 Thread Mathieu Lovato Stumpf Guntz
I would suggest to conduct them on Wikiversity, where people can collaborate on 
research projects in the same way that make Wikipedia a place no one is going 
to take an encyclopedic article seriously. 

Le 29 août 2018 22:21:08 GMT+02:00, Robert Fernandez  a 
écrit :
>Interesting metrics and ideas here, but nobody's going to take your
>research particularly seriously if you choose to post it in an open
>sewer.  I'd suggest a Medium or Wordpress blog.
>
>On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:44 AM sashi  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I thought I would ask if any of the junior or senior researchers here
>on
>> this mailing list have conducted previous inquiries into Wikipedia's
>> sourcing.
>>
>> I am currently working on a project of determining what proportion of
>> Wikipedia is sourced to newspapers, the military, the Church, social
>> media, etc.
>>
>> The data I've compiled this month, along with a brief write-up, have
>> been posted to Wikipediocracy:
>>
>> http://wikipediocracy.com/2018/08/26/wikipedia-sources-methods/
>>
>> I imagine I'm reinventing the wheel... such studies have been done
>> before, by the WMF, with power tools (bots), right?
>>
>> Thanks for any corrections / suggestions,
>>
>>sashi
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wmfall] Invitation to the October 2018 Wikimedia Monthly Activities Meeting: Thursday, October 25th, 18:00 UTC

2018-11-18 Thread Mathieu Lovato Stumpf Guntz
Hi Sasha,

Thank you for taking care of taking care of this kind of reminder. While I 
don't necessarily read them at relevant time, I always greatly appreciate them 
when they avoid me missing such an opportunity while I'm available to join.☺️

Cheers, Mathieu 

Le 25 octobre 2018 19:33:10 GMT+02:00, Sasha Redkina  a 
écrit :
>REMINDER: This meeting starts in 30 minutes.Updated agenda in the
>original email.
>
>Sasha Redkina
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>On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:47 PM Gregory Varnum 
>wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> The next Wikimedia Monthly Activities meeting will take place on
>Thursday,
>> October 25th, 2018 at 6:00 PM UTC (11 AM PDT). The IRC channel is
>> #wikimedia-office on https://webchat.freenode.net, and the meeting
>will
>> be broadcast as a live YouTube stream:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J86J8N1gExk. We’ll post the video
>> recording publicly after the meeting.
>>
>> During the October 2018 meeting, we will have an update on the
>movement,
>> Wikimedia 2030 status update, a presentation on values, principles
>and
>> methods, and more.
>>
>> Meeting agenda:
>> Welcome and introduction to agenda - 2 minutes
>> Movement update - 3 minutes
>> Values, Principles, and Methods, oh my! - 10 minutes
>> Wikimedia 2030 status update and opportunities to participate - 20
>minutes
>> Update from the Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director - 10 minutes
>> Questions and discussion - 10 minutes
>> Wikilove - 5 minutes
>>
>> Please review the meeting's Meta-Wiki page for further information
>about
>> the meeting and how to participate:
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_monthly_activities_meetings
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Flash fundraiser for Wikimedia Portugal

2018-11-18 Thread GoEthe.wiki
>Olá Gonçalo and Wikimedia Portugal.
>Was easier for me, on behalf of WikiDonne User Group, to send a PayPal to
>your individual email rather than an international money transfer from my
>bank (40% were taxes to be added).
>Good look.
>
>Camelia from WDG

Hi Camelia,

Thank you! We have now included a PayPal option to our Campaign page[1]

Cheers,
Gonçalo

[1] https://pt.wikimedia.org/wiki/Campanha_2018/en

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