Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

2018-11-27 Thread Dennis During
Why not test-run the process on my favorite project - or yours?  We should
get started.

I am skeptical of the quality of judgment without a foundation of facts.
At Wiktionary we have two main definition evaluation processes, one
dependent on citations to which interpretative judgment is applies. IMO
this process works very well.  The other depends on opinion, votes,
supported by whatever facts or authority or bluster (my specialty)
advocates bring to bear.  That process, though adequate, is not as
satisfactory.

Gerard Meijssen has suggested a faith-based process. If it is almost ready
to go, let it be validated and put to use.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 16:45 Benjamin Lees  On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:06 AM Dennis During  wrote:
> >
> > Who is the judge? Are we going to join Facebook, Google, Twitter, et al
> as
> > the new press barons?
>
> All of our work on the projects necessarily involves making judgments.
> As a movement we have largely decided that editors on individual
> projects should be the ones to make those judgments.  But in some
> extreme cases, our judgment may be that we need different judges.
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 1:03 PM Dennis During  wrote:
> >
> > It is important that any wiki process be applied fairly.  In this case I
> > think the Croatian wiki cannot be the first to have a new process
> applied.
>
> I don't know whether this is the process we want.  But if it is,
> somebody's gotta go first.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

2018-11-27 Thread Benjamin Lees
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:06 AM Dennis During  wrote:
>
> Who is the judge? Are we going to join Facebook, Google, Twitter, et al as
> the new press barons?

All of our work on the projects necessarily involves making judgments.
As a movement we have largely decided that editors on individual
projects should be the ones to make those judgments.  But in some
extreme cases, our judgment may be that we need different judges.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 1:03 PM Dennis During  wrote:
>
> It is important that any wiki process be applied fairly.  In this case I
> think the Croatian wiki cannot be the first to have a new process applied.

I don't know whether this is the process we want.  But if it is,
somebody's gotta go first.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

2018-11-27 Thread Dennis During
Excuse for what? Whatever process is used needs to have integrity to be
accepted.  We are supposed to be inclusive and transparent, right?

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 15:15 David Gerard  Forgive me, but this is coming across as hopping from excuse to excuse.
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 18:03, Dennis During  wrote:
> >
> > It is important that any wiki process be applied fairly.  In this case I
> > think the Croatian wiki cannot be the first to have a new process
> applied.
> > I hope that the process that Gerard recommends has been validated in some
> > way that meets with broad, nearly universal approval.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 12:37 PM Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > We have a database with all the citations of all Wikipedias. That
> database
> > > is integrated in wikidata as we speak. What we should do is eat our own
> > > medicine and compare sources on the same subject when the subject is
> > > controversial. Our overriding policy is for Wikipedia to have a neutral
> > > point of view. So while Croation sources are fine, they need to be
> balanced
> > > for a NPOV. When sources with a different viewpoint are available,
> ignoring
> > > them is not an option.
> > >
> > > At the same time, there are sources that have been found to be
> > > untrustworthy. At some stage, sources, any and all sources can be
> assessed
> > > and even rejected.
> > >
> > > Admins and bureaucrats have their authority because they promise to
> adhere
> > > to the universal Wikipedia policies, the other reason is the trust
> their
> > > community gave them at one time. In the end, we have the mechanisms
> and the
> > > methods to assess the NPOV and the quality of articles. We have the
> > > mechanisms and methods to assess the functioning of people who are
> trusted
> > > to adhere to our policies.
> > > Thanks,
> > > GerardM
> > >
> > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 19:15, Ilario Valdelli 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > History does not require a judge. It's the storiography to be judge.
> > > >
> > > > Here the problem is to give relevance to some sources and to neglect
> > > > (completely) others.
> > > >
> > > > If a single not neutral source is considered as the Holy Bible, the
> same
> > > > pillars of Wikipedia are infringed.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018, 14:06 Dennis During  > > >
> > > > > Who is the judge? Are we going to join Facebook, Google, Twitter,
> et al
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

2018-11-27 Thread David Gerard
Forgive me, but this is coming across as hopping from excuse to excuse.
On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 18:03, Dennis During  wrote:
>
> It is important that any wiki process be applied fairly.  In this case I
> think the Croatian wiki cannot be the first to have a new process applied.
> I hope that the process that Gerard recommends has been validated in some
> way that meets with broad, nearly universal approval.
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 12:37 PM Gerard Meijssen 
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > We have a database with all the citations of all Wikipedias. That database
> > is integrated in wikidata as we speak. What we should do is eat our own
> > medicine and compare sources on the same subject when the subject is
> > controversial. Our overriding policy is for Wikipedia to have a neutral
> > point of view. So while Croation sources are fine, they need to be balanced
> > for a NPOV. When sources with a different viewpoint are available, ignoring
> > them is not an option.
> >
> > At the same time, there are sources that have been found to be
> > untrustworthy. At some stage, sources, any and all sources can be assessed
> > and even rejected.
> >
> > Admins and bureaucrats have their authority because they promise to  adhere
> > to the universal Wikipedia policies, the other reason is the trust their
> > community gave them at one time. In the end, we have the mechanisms and the
> > methods to assess the NPOV and the quality of articles. We have the
> > mechanisms and methods to assess the functioning of people who are trusted
> > to adhere to our policies.
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> >
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 19:15, Ilario Valdelli  wrote:
> >
> > > History does not require a judge. It's the storiography to be judge.
> > >
> > > Here the problem is to give relevance to some sources and to neglect
> > > (completely) others.
> > >
> > > If a single not neutral source is considered as the Holy Bible, the same
> > > pillars of Wikipedia are infringed.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018, 14:06 Dennis During  > >
> > > > Who is the judge? Are we going to join Facebook, Google, Twitter, et al
> > > as
> > > > the new press barons?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

2018-11-27 Thread Dennis During
It is important that any wiki process be applied fairly.  In this case I
think the Croatian wiki cannot be the first to have a new process applied.
I hope that the process that Gerard recommends has been validated in some
way that meets with broad, nearly universal approval.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 12:37 PM Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> We have a database with all the citations of all Wikipedias. That database
> is integrated in wikidata as we speak. What we should do is eat our own
> medicine and compare sources on the same subject when the subject is
> controversial. Our overriding policy is for Wikipedia to have a neutral
> point of view. So while Croation sources are fine, they need to be balanced
> for a NPOV. When sources with a different viewpoint are available, ignoring
> them is not an option.
>
> At the same time, there are sources that have been found to be
> untrustworthy. At some stage, sources, any and all sources can be assessed
> and even rejected.
>
> Admins and bureaucrats have their authority because they promise to  adhere
> to the universal Wikipedia policies, the other reason is the trust their
> community gave them at one time. In the end, we have the mechanisms and the
> methods to assess the NPOV and the quality of articles. We have the
> mechanisms and methods to assess the functioning of people who are trusted
> to adhere to our policies.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 19:15, Ilario Valdelli  wrote:
>
> > History does not require a judge. It's the storiography to be judge.
> >
> > Here the problem is to give relevance to some sources and to neglect
> > (completely) others.
> >
> > If a single not neutral source is considered as the Holy Bible, the same
> > pillars of Wikipedia are infringed.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018, 14:06 Dennis During  >
> > > Who is the judge? Are we going to join Facebook, Google, Twitter, et al
> > as
> > > the new press barons?
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[Wikimedia-l] Call for Applications: 2019 Ombuds Commission

2018-11-27 Thread Karen Brown
Hello all,

*I know that this is a second call, and I apologize for the potential bacn
, but it's very important to me that
we grab as wide a pool of OC applicants as we can, so I want to re-draw
people's attention to it. *

It's coming close to time for annual appointments of community members to
serve on the Ombudsman commission (OC). This commission works on all
Wikimedia projects to investigate complaints about violations of the
privacy policy, especially in use of CheckUser tools, and to mediate
between the complaining party and the individual whose work is being
investigated. They may also assist the General Counsel, the Executive
Director or the Board of Trustees in investigations of these issues. For
more on their duties and roles, see
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission

This is a call for community members interested in volunteering for
appointment to this commission. Volunteers serving in this role should be
experienced Wikimedians, active on any project, who have previously used
the CheckUser tool OR who have the technical ability to understand the
CheckUser tool and the willingness to learn it. They are expected to be
able to engage neutrally in investigating these concerns and to know when
to recuse when other roles and relationships may cause conflict.

Commissioners are required to identify to the Wikimedia Foundation and must
be willing to comply with the appropriate Wikimedia Foundation board
policies (such as the access to non-public data policy[1] and the privacy
policy[2]). This is a position that requires a high degree of discretion
and trust.

If you are interested in serving on this commission, please write me an
email *off-list* to detail your experience on the projects, your thoughts
on the commission and what you hope to bring to the role. The commission
consists of nine members; all applications are appreciated and will be
carefully considered. The deadline for applications is end of day on 31
December, 2018.

Please feel free to pass this invitation along to any users who you think
may be qualified and  interested.

Thank you!

-Karen Brown

On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Trust & Safety team

1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Access_to_nonpublic_information_policy
2. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy

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[Wikimedia-l] [2018 Annual Report]- Open Foundation West Africa

2018-11-27 Thread Joy Agyepong
Dear Wikimedians,

I am pleased to share with you all our 2018 Annual Report
 as
per the requirements of AffCom. The report covers the entirety of our
projects and exciting activities over the period. Do enjoy the read!
Thanks to all who collaborated and shared insights with us one way or the
other. Rolling on to 2019 with greater impact!!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

2018-11-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
We have a database with all the citations of all Wikipedias. That database
is integrated in wikidata as we speak. What we should do is eat our own
medicine and compare sources on the same subject when the subject is
controversial. Our overriding policy is for Wikipedia to have a neutral
point of view. So while Croation sources are fine, they need to be balanced
for a NPOV. When sources with a different viewpoint are available, ignoring
them is not an option.

At the same time, there are sources that have been found to be
untrustworthy. At some stage, sources, any and all sources can be assessed
and even rejected.

Admins and bureaucrats have their authority because they promise to  adhere
to the universal Wikipedia policies, the other reason is the trust their
community gave them at one time. In the end, we have the mechanisms and the
methods to assess the NPOV and the quality of articles. We have the
mechanisms and methods to assess the functioning of people who are trusted
to adhere to our policies.
Thanks,
GerardM

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 19:15, Ilario Valdelli  wrote:

> History does not require a judge. It's the storiography to be judge.
>
> Here the problem is to give relevance to some sources and to neglect
> (completely) others.
>
> If a single not neutral source is considered as the Holy Bible, the same
> pillars of Wikipedia are infringed.
>
> Kind regards
>
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2018, 14:06 Dennis During 
> > Who is the judge? Are we going to join Facebook, Google, Twitter, et al
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[Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedia Community of Tatar Language User Group

2018-11-27 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Hi everyone!

I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
[1] the Wikimedia Community of Tatar Language User Group [2] as a Wikimedia
User Group. The group aims to develop Wikipedia in Tatar into most popular
content portal of the Tatar-language internet; to grow other Wikimedia
projects in the Tatar language; and to teach new generations of
Tatar-language Wikimedians, developing their skills through sharing
experiences.

Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!

Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Community_of_Tatar_language_User_Group
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_of_Tatar_language_User_Group
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[Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Democratic Republic of Congo User Group

2018-11-27 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Hi everyone!

I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
[1] the Wikimedians of Democratic Republic of Congo User Group [2] as a
Wikimedia User Group. The group aims to promote Wikipedia and its sister
projects and expand the Wikipedia community in the DRC.

Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!

Regards,
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[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wikimedians_of_Democratic_Republic_of_Congo_User_Group
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[Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Guinea Conakry

2018-11-27 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Hi everyone!

I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
[1] Wikimedia Community User Group Guinea Conakry [2] as a Wikimedia User
Group. The group aims to encourage the growth, development and
dissemination of educational content in multiple languages, with a
particular emphasis on activities taking place in Guinea.

Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!

Regards,
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[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Guinea_Conakry
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Guinea_Conakry
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia User Group Nigeria -Annual Activities Report FTY 2017-2018

2018-11-27 Thread Olushola Olaniyan via Wikimedia-l
Dear all,

Apology for the mixed up.

Kindly see the URL below:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_User_Group_Nigeria/Reports/2017-2018#Media_coverages

Thanks. for your understanding.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 2:50 PM Cornelius Kibelka <
cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> Hello Shola,
>
> is there also a link to this report?
>
> Best regards
> Cornelius
>
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 13:32, shola ishola via Wikimedia-l <
> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>> Trust you are well.
>>
>> The above abject refers.
>>
>> We are glad to share our Annual Activities Report FTY 2017-2018  with
>> you.
>>
>> We welcome your  observations, comments and words of encouragement (if
>> necessary)  .
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Olaniyan Olushola
>> The President Wikimedia User Group Nigeria.
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[Wikimedia-l] [AffComWikimedia-l] WikiDonne Report 2017/2018

2018-11-27 Thread camelia boban
Hello friends.

Is a pleasure for me to share with you WikiDonne's annual report

refering to activities we've done from November 2017 to November 2018.
Please feel free to do any comments or suggestions here or on the talk page
of the report.

Yours,
Camelia, WikiDonne User Group chair


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia User Group Nigeria -Annual Activities Report FTY 2017-2018

2018-11-27 Thread Cornelius Kibelka
Hello Shola,

is there also a link to this report?

Best regards
Cornelius

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 13:32, shola ishola via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
> Trust you are well.
>
> The above abject refers.
>
> We are glad to share our Annual Activities Report FTY 2017-2018  with
> you.
>
> We welcome your  observations, comments and words of encouragement (if
> necessary)  .
>
> Best regards,
> Olaniyan Olushola
> The President Wikimedia User Group Nigeria.
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia User Group Nigeria -Annual Activities Report FTY 2017-2018

2018-11-27 Thread shola ishola via Wikimedia-l
Dear all,
Trust you are well. 

The above abject refers. 

We are glad to share our Annual Activities Report FTY 2017-2018  with you.  

We welcome your  observations, comments and words of encouragement (if 
necessary)  . 

Best regards,
Olaniyan Olushola
The President Wikimedia User Group Nigeria. 

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] English Fundraiser Launch - Tues 28th November

2018-11-27 Thread Joseph Seddon
Minor correction! The date should have read: Tuesday 27th November :)

Many Thanks
Seddon

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:36 AM Joseph Seddon 
wrote:

> Hey all!
>
> I wanted to send a quick reminder that our English language fundraiser is
> officially launching tomorrow afternoon (Tuesday 28th November, at 16.00
> UTC) with some final systems tests running between now and then.
>
> ---Banners and Ideas---
>
> You can see the all of our current most effective fundraising banners on
> our Fundraising Ideas page where you can also contribute any specific ideas
> or stories we should tell via social media, banners, emails etc:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2017-18_Fundraising_ideas
>
> ---Blog Posts---
>
> We've recently published two blog posts about our fundraising work. The
> first covers how we try to limit the disruption to our readers during
> campaigns. The second is a recent tranche of research conducted into what
> our readers think about our fundraising. Take a look!
>
> Banner limiting:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/10/03/fundraising-banner-limit/
>
> Donor research:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/11/17/fundraising-donor-learnings/
>
>
> ---Reporting Issues---
>
> If you see any technical issues with the banners or payments systems
> please do report it on phabricator:
>
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?template=118862
>
> If you see a donor on a talk page, OTRS, or social media with questions
> about donating or having difficulties in the donation process, please refer
> them to: donate{{at}}wikimedia.org
>
> Here is also the ever present fundraising IRC channel to raise urgent
> technical issues: #wikimedia-fundraising
>
> http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=%23wikimedia-fundraising=d4
> 
>
> ---Next Updates---
>
> There will be a further launch announcement on the Wikimedia blog tomorrow
> and I will give a brief update at the end of the week with our progress and
> hopefully some interesting initial lessons learnt. A more substantial
> update will follow later in the week.
>
> Finally, I’d like to thank the community here in advance for your help and
> patience over the coming weeks. From here on out, wish us luck!
>
> Many Thanks
>
> --
>
> Seddon
>
> Community & Audience Engagement Associate
>
> Advancement (Fundraising), Wikimedia Foundation
>
>

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