Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Dennis During
Would anyone care to specify or, at least, provide examples of "such
ideologies" as would not be "allowed in our movement"?

I have the feeling that the focus should not be on thoughts, beliefs, or
attitudes, but rather on behavior.

I get scared ("feel unsafe") whenever discussions take the turn that this
one has, condemning people for past beliefs, for example. I am already
feeling the silent menace of labellers on me for objecting to this line of
discussion.

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 6:16 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mister Thrapostibongles,
>
> I would believe so. However, after knowing a case where a WMF staff was
> fired after their denounce of such a situation caused a fuss in the target
> community, I'm not so sure the WMF shares that understanding. Until there
> is some strong standing from the WMF about such ideologies not being
> allowed in our movement, to me that still is a grey area in the CoC.
>
> Paulo
>
> Mister Thrapostibongles  escreveu no dia
> terça,
> 28/05/2019 à(s) 16:33:
>
> > Paulo
> >
> > >
> > > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a
> group
> > or
> > > community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the
> > likes
> > > of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting
> > > racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?
> > >
> >
> > Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a
> > murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view that
> a
> > certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as
> > inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of
> the
> > class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds
> for
> > feeling threatened by that participation?
> >
> > Thrapostibongles
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [African Wikimedians] Happy Africa Day: keyboards for all the languages of Africa

2019-05-28 Thread Ed Erhart
Hey folks,

That'd be me! I'll follow up with Amir and Isaac directly.

Best,
--Ed

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 10:32 AM Isaac Olatunde 
wrote:

> Sure, I'd be happy to! This makes a lot of sense. Who is in charge of the
> blog at WMF?
>
> Regards,
>
> Isaac
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 11:27 AM Gerard Meijssen  wrote:
>
> > Hey Isaac,
> > Would you be willing to either write an article about using the Yoruba
> > keyboard. Particularly what it takes to learn to use it and if/how you
> use
> > other software? It would deserve a place on the Wikimedia blog because
> the
> > keyboard effort deserves much more attention :)
> > Thanks,
> >   GerardM
> >
> > On Sat, 25 May 2019 at 11:28, Isaac Olatunde 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Amir,
> >>
> >> Thank you for this great work. I have been enjoying the Yoruba keyboard
> >> you
> >> designed for me over over three years ago. I am proud to say that in
> have
> >> translated over 250 articles from English Wikipedia to Yoruba Wikipedia
> >> using the keyboards and I have trained others on now to use it and they
> >> have also translated over 200 articles to Yoruba Wikipedia. Without,
> this
> >> keyboard it's usually uninteresting for native speakers to contribute to
> >> Yoruba Wikipedia but that problem has now been mitigated by your work.
> >>
> >> Again, thank you so much on behalf of the Yoruba Wikipedia community.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Isaac
> >>
> >> (Apology for mistakenly posting with the indaba email connected to my
> >> device)
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 8:29 AM WikiIndaba 2019 Nigeria <
> >> wikiindaba2019scholars...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hello Amir,
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for this great work. I have been enjoying the Yoruba
> keyboard
> >> > you designed for me over over three years ago. I am proud to say that
> in
> >> > have translated over 250 articles from English Wikipedia to Yoruba
> >> > Wikipedia using the keyboards and I have trained others on now to use
> it
> >> > and they have also translated over 200 articles to Yoruba Wikipedia.
> >> > Without, this keyboard it's usually uninteresting for native speakers
> to
> >> > contribute to Yoruba Wikipedia but that problem has now been mitigated
> >> by
> >> > your work.
> >> >
> >> > Again, thank you so much on behalf of the Yoruba Wikipedia community.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Isaac
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, May 25, 2019, 8:20 AM Amir E. Aharoni <
> >> > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hello, and happy Africa day!
> >> >>
> >> >> [ crossposted to African Wikimedians list, general Wikimedia list,
> and
> >> >> mediawiki-i18n ]
> >> >>
> >> >> To celebrate this, I am announcing the completion of a little pet
> >> project
> >> >> that I started a year ago: it is now easy to type in all the
> languages
> >> of
> >> >> Africa in which there is a Wikipedia or an active Incubator.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is available in all Wikimedia projects and in translatewiki.net
> .
> >> >> This release is intended for desktop and laptop computers. For mobile
> >> >> phones and tablets, I strongly recommend trying apps such as Gboard,
> >> >> SwiftKey, or African Keyboard.
> >> >>
> >> >> For full details and project description see this blog post:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://aharoni.wordpress.com/2019/05/25/happy-africa-day-keyboards-for-all-african-wikipedia-languages/
> >> >>
> >> >> Or jump straight into the (easy!!!) technical documentation here:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector/Input_methods/Africa
> >> >>
> >> >> These keyboards were tested by myself, and some of them were also
> >> tested
> >> >> by a few other people who speak these languages, and as far as I know
> >> they
> >> >> are easy to enable and disable and the work correctly. However, it's
> >> >> possible that some things are missing: I could have missed some
> >> letters, I
> >> >> could have made mistakes in documentation, I could have missed some
> >> >> languages. Please contact me if you find any problems.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks!
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> >> >> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> >> >> ‪“We're living in pieces,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Mister Thrapostibongles,

I would believe so. However, after knowing a case where a WMF staff was
fired after their denounce of such a situation caused a fuss in the target
community, I'm not so sure the WMF shares that understanding. Until there
is some strong standing from the WMF about such ideologies not being
allowed in our movement, to me that still is a grey area in the CoC.

Paulo

Mister Thrapostibongles  escreveu no dia terça,
28/05/2019 à(s) 16:33:

> Paulo
>
> >
> > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a group
> or
> > community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the
> likes
> > of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting
> > racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?
> >
>
> Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a
> murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view that a
> certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as
> inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of the
> class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds for
> feeling threatened by that participation?
>
> Thrapostibongles
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Eduardo Testart
It should be, but I don't find this kind of comments particulary useful,
since they doesn't seem to contribute to the overall discussion.

I believe that a central or unique code of conduct that everyone adheres
to, should be the most efficient way to go, if any particulairties are
needed to be put in place, those should be adressed as such, particular
aditions due to a particular context.

Cheers!

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 5:14 PM Dennis During  wrote:

> Is Wikimedia 'friendly' to or 'safe' for people who voted for, donated to,
> or worked for Trump or Farage or Reagan or LePen or Berlusconi or Modi or
> Bolsonaro or Orban or Bush or Thatcher or Churchill?
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:04 PM camelia boban 
> wrote:
>
> > I agree a unique, inconfondible and free of interpretations CoC to be
> > adopted by all UGs, as suggested by Thrapostibongles.
> >
> > Camelia
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Camelia Boban*
> >
> > *| Java EE Developer |*
> > *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia *Foundation
> > Coordinator - Diversity Working Group for Wikimedia Strategy 2030
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> >
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> >  *
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Il giorno mar 28 mag 2019 alle ore 17:33 Mister Thrapostibongles <
> > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> >
> > > Paulo
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a
> > group
> > > or
> > > > community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the
> > > likes
> > > > of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration,
> promoting
> > > > racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a
> > > murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view
> that
> > a
> > > certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as
> > > inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of
> > the
> > > class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds
> > for
> > > feeling threatened by that participation?
> > >
> > > Thrapostibongles
> > > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Dennis During
Is Wikimedia 'friendly' to or 'safe' for people who voted for, donated to,
or worked for Trump or Farage or Reagan or LePen or Berlusconi or Modi or
Bolsonaro or Orban or Bush or Thatcher or Churchill?

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:04 PM camelia boban 
wrote:

> I agree a unique, inconfondible and free of interpretations CoC to be
> adopted by all UGs, as suggested by Thrapostibongles.
>
> Camelia
>
>
> --
> *Camelia Boban*
>
> *| Java EE Developer |*
> *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia *Foundation
> Coordinator - Diversity Working Group for Wikimedia Strategy 2030
> Chair & co-founder - WikiDonne User Group *| WikiDonne Project ideator*
>
> *Diversity Space @ Wikimania 2019 Co-Lead*
> WMIT - WMSE - WMCH - WMAR Member
>
> M. +39 3383385545
> camelia.bo...@gmail.com
> *Aissa Technologies* * | *Twitter
>  *|* *LinkedIn
> *
> *Wikipedia  **|
> **WikiDonne
> UG * | *WikiDonne Project
>  *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Il giorno mar 28 mag 2019 alle ore 17:33 Mister Thrapostibongles <
> thrapostibong...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> > Paulo
> >
> > >
> > > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a
> group
> > or
> > > community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the
> > likes
> > > of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting
> > > racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?
> > >
> >
> > Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a
> > murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view that
> a
> > certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as
> > inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of
> the
> > class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds
> for
> > feeling threatened by that participation?
> >
> > Thrapostibongles
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread camelia boban
I agree a unique, inconfondible and free of interpretations CoC to be
adopted by all UGs, as suggested by Thrapostibongles.

Camelia


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Il giorno mar 28 mag 2019 alle ore 17:33 Mister Thrapostibongles <
thrapostibong...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Paulo
>
> >
> > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a group
> or
> > community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the
> likes
> > of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting
> > racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?
> >
>
> Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a
> murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view that a
> certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as
> inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of the
> class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds for
> feeling threatened by that participation?
>
> Thrapostibongles
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Mister Thrapostibongles
Thomas

An excellent idea, no doubt, but is multiplying codes of conduct really the
best way forward?  Would it not be better if the Foundation were to
promulgate a single code of conduct covering all its projects and spaces,
and then supplement that with individual guidelines in specific cases?

Thrapostibongles

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 7:34 AM Thomas Shafee 
wrote:

> Hello Wikimedia-l,
>
> This is a quick request for comment for those interested in codes of
> conduct (relevant to user groups and possibly projects as well).
>
> In collaboration with the Wikimedia Foundation’s trust and safety team, a
> code of conduct has been drafted over the last few months for the
> WikiJournal
> User Group . We
> have drawn inspiration from CoCs used in different Wikimedia areas and open
> projects (listed below the draft).
>
> *Draft code of conduct available here*
> <
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft
> >
>
> Everyone is welcome to provide suggestions over the next week on how to
> improve it: please join the discussion here
> <
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft
> >
> !
>
> It has been written to be adaptable to other user groups, affiliates and
> projects if they want to adapt & adopt something (generalised version
> <
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/General
> >
> ).
>
> The user group was We were initially aiming to vote on it in May, however
> in order to give a bit more time for feedback, that's being extended to
> early June.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Thomas Shafee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Mister Thrapostibongles
Paulo

>
> I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a group or
> community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the likes
> of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting
> racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?
>

Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a
murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view that a
certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as
inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of the
class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds for
feeling threatened by that participation?

Thrapostibongles
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [African Wikimedians] Happy Africa Day: keyboards for all the languages of Africa

2019-05-28 Thread Isaac Olatunde
Sure, I'd be happy to! This makes a lot of sense. Who is in charge of the
blog at WMF?

Regards,

Isaac

On Sat, May 25, 2019, 11:27 AM Gerard Meijssen  Hey Isaac,
> Would you be willing to either write an article about using the Yoruba
> keyboard. Particularly what it takes to learn to use it and if/how you use
> other software? It would deserve a place on the Wikimedia blog because the
> keyboard effort deserves much more attention :)
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On Sat, 25 May 2019 at 11:28, Isaac Olatunde 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Amir,
>>
>> Thank you for this great work. I have been enjoying the Yoruba keyboard
>> you
>> designed for me over over three years ago. I am proud to say that in have
>> translated over 250 articles from English Wikipedia to Yoruba Wikipedia
>> using the keyboards and I have trained others on now to use it and they
>> have also translated over 200 articles to Yoruba Wikipedia. Without, this
>> keyboard it's usually uninteresting for native speakers to contribute to
>> Yoruba Wikipedia but that problem has now been mitigated by your work.
>>
>> Again, thank you so much on behalf of the Yoruba Wikipedia community.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Isaac
>>
>> (Apology for mistakenly posting with the indaba email connected to my
>> device)
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 8:29 AM WikiIndaba 2019 Nigeria <
>> wikiindaba2019scholars...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Amir,
>> >
>> > Thank you for this great work. I have been enjoying the Yoruba keyboard
>> > you designed for me over over three years ago. I am proud to say that in
>> > have translated over 250 articles from English Wikipedia to Yoruba
>> > Wikipedia using the keyboards and I have trained others on now to use it
>> > and they have also translated over 200 articles to Yoruba Wikipedia.
>> > Without, this keyboard it's usually uninteresting for native speakers to
>> > contribute to Yoruba Wikipedia but that problem has now been mitigated
>> by
>> > your work.
>> >
>> > Again, thank you so much on behalf of the Yoruba Wikipedia community.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Isaac
>> >
>> > On Sat, May 25, 2019, 8:20 AM Amir E. Aharoni <
>> > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello, and happy Africa day!
>> >>
>> >> [ crossposted to African Wikimedians list, general Wikimedia list, and
>> >> mediawiki-i18n ]
>> >>
>> >> To celebrate this, I am announcing the completion of a little pet
>> project
>> >> that I started a year ago: it is now easy to type in all the languages
>> of
>> >> Africa in which there is a Wikipedia or an active Incubator.
>> >>
>> >> This is available in all Wikimedia projects and in translatewiki.net.
>> >> This release is intended for desktop and laptop computers. For mobile
>> >> phones and tablets, I strongly recommend trying apps such as Gboard,
>> >> SwiftKey, or African Keyboard.
>> >>
>> >> For full details and project description see this blog post:
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://aharoni.wordpress.com/2019/05/25/happy-africa-day-keyboards-for-all-african-wikipedia-languages/
>> >>
>> >> Or jump straight into the (easy!!!) technical documentation here:
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector/Input_methods/Africa
>> >>
>> >> These keyboards were tested by myself, and some of them were also
>> tested
>> >> by a few other people who speak these languages, and as far as I know
>> they
>> >> are easy to enable and disable and the work correctly. However, it's
>> >> possible that some things are missing: I could have missed some
>> letters, I
>> >> could have made mistakes in documentation, I could have missed some
>> >> languages. Please contact me if you find any problems.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] AI Image Restoration

2019-05-28 Thread John Erling Blad
I've been playing with an idea that a a kind of batch script could be
applied to an image, and then the result of the processing becomes the
image to display, but the real image is not changed at all. Someting
like magick-script in a tag-function.[1] I have not checked how secure
it would be, but MediaWiki already use the ImageMagick package.

[1] https://imagemagick.org/script/magick-script.php


On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 10:40 AM Fæ  wrote:
>
> For Wikimedia Commons the issue of how to handle digital restorations
> has been discussed several times, there are no single solutions. The
> general position is that original images, such as very old glass plate
> prints from archives, should be preserved and displayed in their
> original state, but there is no harm in making available restorations
> as separate files that fairly and accurately represent the photograph
> and remove damage or flaws. The reuser or reader should never be in
> doubt that they are looking at a restoration rather than the original,
> and we have to keep in mind that we do not always know whether the
> reader's monitor, display device or printer may also adapt the
> saturation and brightness of the image.
>
> Though it is possible to do large batch changes for light levels,
> sharpening, colour correction and so on, these remain controversial if
> the original file is overwritten. This is especially true when an
> artwork has been photographed or scanned.
>
> Among recent on-wiki controversy is colorization of photographs,
> especially old black and white photographs. These may be interesting,
> and at times useful for illustration, but again the reader should be
> in no doubt that they are not looking at "reality" and as good
> practice it should always be easy for the reader to navigate to the
> unenhanced original.
>
> Fae
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>
> On Tue, 28 May 2019 at 02:23, John Erling Blad  wrote:
> >
> > A quite common problem at all Wikimedia sites; we have a photo but the
> > quality is poor. An example is the old photo from the cabins at
> > Mørkedalen where a group of fighters hid out during the invasion of
> > Norway.[1]
> >
> > I've been using some manual tools to restore images, but it is very
> > slow and the result is often not very good. What if we could automate
> > the process? The work "Deep Image Prior"[2] could be a solution, it is
> > quite awesome, but it is a bit too difficult to configure for most
> > users.
> >
> > There are several such automated tools, or algorithms that can be
> > turned into automated tools, but the question is; do we want an
> > automated tool set, or do we want to keep on doing things manually?
> >
> > [1] https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skil%C3%B8perpatruljen_i_M%C3%B8rkedalen
> > [2] https://dmitryulyanov.github.io/deep_image_prior
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] AI Image Restoration

2019-05-28 Thread
For Wikimedia Commons the issue of how to handle digital restorations
has been discussed several times, there are no single solutions. The
general position is that original images, such as very old glass plate
prints from archives, should be preserved and displayed in their
original state, but there is no harm in making available restorations
as separate files that fairly and accurately represent the photograph
and remove damage or flaws. The reuser or reader should never be in
doubt that they are looking at a restoration rather than the original,
and we have to keep in mind that we do not always know whether the
reader's monitor, display device or printer may also adapt the
saturation and brightness of the image.

Though it is possible to do large batch changes for light levels,
sharpening, colour correction and so on, these remain controversial if
the original file is overwritten. This is especially true when an
artwork has been photographed or scanned.

Among recent on-wiki controversy is colorization of photographs,
especially old black and white photographs. These may be interesting,
and at times useful for illustration, but again the reader should be
in no doubt that they are not looking at "reality" and as good
practice it should always be easy for the reader to navigate to the
unenhanced original.

Fae
-- 
fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

On Tue, 28 May 2019 at 02:23, John Erling Blad  wrote:
>
> A quite common problem at all Wikimedia sites; we have a photo but the
> quality is poor. An example is the old photo from the cabins at
> Mørkedalen where a group of fighters hid out during the invasion of
> Norway.[1]
>
> I've been using some manual tools to restore images, but it is very
> slow and the result is often not very good. What if we could automate
> the process? The work "Deep Image Prior"[2] could be a solution, it is
> quite awesome, but it is a bit too difficult to configure for most
> users.
>
> There are several such automated tools, or algorithms that can be
> turned into automated tools, but the question is; do we want an
> automated tool set, or do we want to keep on doing things manually?
>
> [1] https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skil%C3%B8perpatruljen_i_M%C3%B8rkedalen
> [2] https://dmitryulyanov.github.io/deep_image_prior
>

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