Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Peter Southwood
This seems fair comment and a useful proposal. I would support the concept of such independent surveys, and them being funded by the foundation. I see a need. Cheers, P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Bill Takatoshi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Bill Takatoshi
> No idea what could be the relation with GamerGate I too see nothing in common, and since at least a handful of people hold this view, could the parallels that they see to be made explicit, please? > pathological people, having been called out on being pathological I am having trouble finding

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread George Herbert
Quoting seraphimblade onwiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_response_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_ban_of_Fram#Editorial_independence_of_the_English_Wikipedia_community_and_response_to_Jan “Very well, here's the feedback: Don't ever again take an action of this nature. Take

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
No idea what could be the relation with GamerGate and the current issue onwiki at wiki en. Would you care to elaborate? Paulo A quinta, 13 de jun de 2019, 19:53, David Gerard escreveu: > I think the problem is that the pathological people, having been > called out on being pathological,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 19:52, David Gerard wrote: > I think the problem is that the pathological people, having been > called out on being pathological, decided to double down on the > original complainant. The supposed original complainant. We have seen scant evdience to suggest any basis of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Peter Southwood
The relevant facts to be checked were your assertion that I claimed that Wikipedia belongs to "us" Please do not misrepresent my words. I try to choose them with care. The selection of other "facts" you list below do not appear to make WMF any more an owner of Wikipedia than any of the actual

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread David Gerard
I think the problem is that the pathological people, having been called out on being pathological, decided to double down on the original complainant. See also: Gamergate, a clearly apt and apposite comparison. On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 19:48, Pine W wrote: > > I'm sad to hear that. I would not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Pine W
I'm sad to hear that. I would not want a victim to go with a request for help to WMF, local functionaries, an arbitration committee, or anyone else, and have the situation end up worse rather than better. I don't know what to recommend. Perhaps you could ask the stewards what they think. I am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
The inapposite and totally inapt intervention of the WMF, a la bull in a china shop, caused a Streisand effect on the alleged harassment that is stated to have take place. I do not knew the editor which has been pointed as the source of the denounce, or if she has made any denounce at all, but I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Pine W
*almost certainly. Reprimand to Pine for insufficient proofreading. Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Pine W
I'll note that WMF has provided a statement here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Community_response_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_ban_of_Fram=prev=901424172=source I find WMF's justifications for its actions to be unpersuasive. WMF's policies can (within some legal limits)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread John Erling Blad
So much for not quoting anyone. /jeblad On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 5:36 PM Fæ wrote: > > This misses the point, as others have highlighted already. > > The WMF can and /should/ globally and permanently ban paedophiles, > terrorists, system hackers and people making multiple cross-wiki death >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Results of the Affiliate Selected Board Seats voting

2019-06-13 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi All Thanks to the election committee for facilitating this election, and all those who voted. And as Pierre said: thanks to all those who put their name forward, it is a lot of work and involves a lot of responsibility. Congrats to Nataliia and Shani! And thank you so much to Christophe for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Peter Southwood
Is there evidence that this is the reason for the block? If so where is it stated? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Robert Fernandez Sent: 13 June 2019 18:14 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Bence Damokos
I think it is important that the WMF is taking the question of harassment seriously. If the community processes are not adequate, it is not an incorrect response to take direct action to protect the individuals that are being harassed. Ideally, community processes should be improved and WMF can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Robert Fernandez
If someone is able to harass someone for years and nothing is done then clearly community procedures are not “perfectly adequate” On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 11:36 AM Fæ wrote: > This misses the point, as others have highlighted already. > > The WMF can and /should/ globally and permanently ban

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread
This misses the point, as others have highlighted already. The WMF can and /should/ globally and permanently ban paedophiles, terrorists, system hackers and people making multiple cross-wiki death threats or threats of suicide. There are perfectly good and understandable reasons as to why the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ¿Qué te hace feliz esta semana? / What's making you happy this week?

2019-06-13 Thread Rocio Consales
Hola! On Friday we have planned an edit-a-thon #WikiGap[*1*] at the Gabriela Mistral Cultural Center (GAM)[*2*] in Santiago of Chile. The team has worked enormously. And thanks to the fact that we were able to hire two people, we can finally organize the times for the volunteers and the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread John Erling Blad
When you bad mouth other users there should be, and will be, consequences. An admin got desysoped and banned after repeated warnings? So what? The only ting to be learned is that some people believe they can do whatever they want and it has no consequences, and other people goes ballistic when

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I do not doubt that, but dismissing the current issue of project autonomy as GamerGate stuff without providing any evidence to support it does not seem helpful at all. Paulo A quinta, 13 de jun de 2019, 13:10, Robert Fernandez escreveu: > A number of people in our community literally are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Results of the Affiliate Selected Board Seats voting

2019-06-13 Thread camelia boban
These result fully confirm our initial decision , so we cannot be happier than this. So many congrats to Nat & Shani  . We congratulate all the candidates for their wiki commitment. A big thank you to the facilitators;

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Results of the Affiliate Selected Board Seats voting

2019-06-13 Thread Pierre-Selim
First of all congratulations to all candidates, it's hard to put your name forward, it takes courage and time to write a candidacy. I also want to thanks Christophe for his 3 years term. And last but not least, Nataliaa and Shani, I wish you all the best for your role as Trustees (and congrats

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Robert Fernandez
A number of people in our community literally are Gamergaters, including editors with tools. On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 3:15 AM Chris Keating wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 11:48 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Going there dismissing the whole issue as a sexist

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Results of the Affiliate Selected Board Seats voting

2019-06-13 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
Congratulations to the new members! Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής Στις Πέμ, 13 Ιουν 2019 - 6:16 π.μ. ο χρήστης Rajeeb Dutta < marajoz...@gmail.com> έγραψε: > Great new!! Congratulations to Nataliia, Shani and the current board > members who took the initiative and launched this > process of election.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Mister Thrapostibongles
Peter On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 6:45 AM Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > Check your facts. > P > Well, the Wikipedia trademark is owned by the Foundation, along with a variety of related marks, see https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_trademarks The servers on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
What is the point of addressing and lecturing an onwiki community about harassment happening offwiki, and then using that to imply all happening on that situation onwiki was about sexism and GamerGate stuff? Really, going into an already very escalated situation and making such baseless and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Chris Keating
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 11:48 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > Going there dismissing the whole issue as a sexist mob doing GamerGate kind > of stuff, what was she expecting, really. > > Maybe she was expecting people to read what she actually said, and engage with it,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread George Herbert
Phillipe wrote in part: I trust the people and the process. I wish I could find a way to share that > trust in such a way that it would be adopted by more. Maybe you have to > live it to develop it, but these are talented staff making hard decisions. > No doubt they will err some - but it’s not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Yair Rand
User:Fram posted on Commons a slice of what is purportedly the email from T, which says that "this ban has been triggered following your recent abusive communications on the project, as seen here" linking to the diff in question (#895438118). The WMFOffice account has made three statements since

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread David Gerard
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 00:19, Nathan wrote: > The > T team made a very token effort to intervene, and then imposed a high > profile ban with the flimsy excuse of a diff that says "fuck arbcom". They > then used that diff to excuse not including ArbCom, as if ArbCom had never > been subjected to