Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

[Benjamin Ikuta]

My two cents: I'd rather have such discussions on wiki. 

Old browsers are more compatible with the wiki website, and it'd be more 
convenient and accessible otherwise. 



On Jun 25, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Fæ  wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 18:47, Maria Cruz  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> Today, the Wikimedia Foundation's Community Engagement department is
>> launching Wikimedia Space *[1]*, a platform for movement *[2]* organizers,
>> affiliates, contributors, partners, and the Foundation to share news,
>> questions, and conversations.
>> 
>> Learning from others has been the bedrock for development and growth in our
>> movement. With this platform, we want to promote these sorts of enriching
>> exchanges by welcoming people from every background to build strong and
>> diverse communities, breaking down the barriers for entry to our movement,
>> and focusing our efforts on facilitating collaboration, including from
>> communities that are new to our movement.
>> 
>> Wikimedia Space is a single place for collaboration, comprising Blog *[1]*
>> and Discuss *[3]* hubs. The Blog section provides a movement-wide platform
>> for project updates, recent events, and shared learnings. We have designed
>> editorial guidelines that allow everyone to share their news with others.
>> Wikimedia Space also allows anybody to add an event, which can be
>> discovered in a calendar *[4]* or a map *[5] *of the movement. We want this
>> new space to be safe and welcoming, especially for newcomers, and this is
>> why it is governed by a code of conduct *[6]*, and relies on active
>> community moderation.
>> 
>> Wikimedia Space is currently a prototype, built on WordPress *[7]* and
>> Discourse *[8]*. While at present it only operates in English, it will
>> evolve to include multiple languages in the near future. This project is
>> only possible with your participation. Spread the news and join Wikimedia
>> Space *[9]*!
>> 
>> Read more about the features you’ll find on our blog post. We have also
>> published posts on how to make this space yours, so it can best serve your
>> needs. You can find all the documentation for this project on its page on
>> Meta.
>> 
>> See you at Wikimedia Space!
>> 
>> 
>> *María Cruz * \\  Communications and Outreach Manager, Community Engagement
>> \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>> mc...@wikimedia.org  |  Twitter:  @marianarra_
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [1] https://space.wmflabs.org
>> 
>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement
>> 
>> [3] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/
>> 
>> [4] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/events/l/calendar
>> 
>> [5] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/events/l/map
>> 
>> [6] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/guidelines
>> 
>> [7] https://wordpress.org/
>> 
>> [8] https://discourse.org/
>> [9] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/how-to-join-wikimedia-space/113
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> 
> Does this mean we should plan to stop using https://outreach.wikimedia.org?
> 
> The two appear to serve the same purpose and are governed by the same
> codes of conduct.
> 
> Thanks,
> Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

There seems to be a trend on the part of the WMF, however, both to try to
control onwiki Wikimedia communities (wiki.en current case), and at the
same time divert part of the communities to closed platforms under direct
or indirect WMF control.

I'm also not sure anymore that Wikimedia volunteers and the WMF do share
the same mission. I would like to be, but I'm not.

Best,
Paulo



Amir Sarabadani  escreveu no dia quarta, 26/06/2019
à(s) 00:58:

> I have no comment on Wikimedia Space. IMHO it's too soon to criticize it
> but I want to point out to a pattern that I have been seeing in the past
> couple of months by several people in this very mailing list.
>
> You have been repeating the word "WMF" (four time, for four different
> purposes) and treating it as a big monolith which is far from truth, WMF
> consists of different teams with different focuses, priorities, goals, and
> processes.
>
> This type of comments also increases the tension by promoting concept of
> "volunteer vs. WMF". It's not a war, we have the same mission. Stop
> criticizing a huge organization devoted to support volunteers (which you
> can't deny all of its good deeds, like keeping servers the world-class
> website running while being horribly understaffed, we have only 1% of
> Google's staff) because you disagree with this project or that program.
>
> Criticize projects, criticize actions (which can be valid), but don't be
> like "here we go again, WMF".
>
> I'm a volunteer at night, WMDE staff at day. Right now, it's the volunteer
> hats on.
>
> Best
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 01:19 Yair Rand  wrote:
>
> > I'm getting so many red flags.
> >
> > Established by WMF via secret (non-transparent) process, with no
> community
> > involvement? Non-wiki environment, with the same scope as existing wikis?
> > WMF-decided conduct policies? Every single moderator is a WMF employee?
> > Forum using closed groups, with non-transparent communication?
> > (Closed-source software, unless I'm mistaken?) So far outside Wikimedia
> > spaces that the only place it was even _announced_ was an off-wiki
> mailing
> > list?
> >
> > Is there something the Wikimedia Foundation would like to tell us?
> >
> > -- Yair Rand
> >
> > ‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 25 ביוני 2019 ב-14:56 מאת ‪Pine W‬‏ <‪
> wiki.p...@gmail.com
> > ‬‏>:‬
> >
> > > Hi Maria,
> > >
> > > Thanks for this update.
> > >
> > > I hope that you can answer a question. I may be mistaken, but my
> > impression
> > > is that the purposes that are outlined for Wikimedia Space are within
> the
> > > intended scopes of the Meta and Outreach wikis, as well as
> Wikimedia-l. I
> > > think that the community would be willing to consider design
> improvements
> > > and additional features for Meta and Outreach, such as calendar and map
> > > tools that are easy to use. Design improvements and additional features
> > > might also be welcome by third parties who use MediaWiki software and
> > could
> > > eventually have the option to implement the changes on their own sites.
> > Can
> > > you explain the decision to launch a new site instead of proposing
> design
> > > improvements and additional features for Meta and Outreach?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Pine
> > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

[Lucas Werkmeister]

On 26.06.19 01:22, Yair Rand wrote:
> ‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 25 ביוני 2019 ב-18:02 מאת ‪Lucas Werkmeister‬‏ <‪
> m...@lucaswerkmeister.de‬‏>:‬
> 
>> On 25.06.19 23:18, Yair Rand wrote:
>>> So far outside Wikimedia
>>> spaces that the only place it was even _announced_ was an off-wiki
>> mailing
>>> list?
>>
>> Where would you have announced it, then? I asked for a movement-wide
>> announcement place a while ago in a different context [1] and got no
>> satisfactory answer; the most popular one was wikimedia-l (this list),
>> and the only on-wiki answers were “the village pumps” (i. e. scattered)
>> – with the caveat that you should translate your message first, which
>> doesn’t scale well. I’m not saying the Space shouldn’t have been
>> announced anywhere else, but it certainly seems to me that there is a
>> need for a space like it, and in particular I don’t understand why you
>> criticize the choice of wikimedia-l for the initial announcement when
>> there seems to be good consensus for it being a central movement
>> announcement and discussion platform.
>>
>> [1]: https://twitter.com/LucasWerkmeistr/status/1107337860389265413
> 
> 
> I would have publicly announced it at least on the place that it's trying
> to replace: Meta-wiki.

Sorry if this sounds like I’m just repeating the question, but where on
metawiki specifically? Because there’s no such thing as a village pump
there, as far as I’m aware – a page titled Village pump [1] exists, but
it’s just a redirect to Wikimedia Forum [2], which is described as “a
central place for *questions and discussions* about the Wikimedia
Foundation and its projects” (emphasis mine). It’s not a place for
announcements, and there are no other announcements on it, so I
certainly wouldn’t expect the Wikimedia Space announcement to be there.
Meta:Discussion pages [3] also emphasizes that Wikimedia Forum is a page
about the Wikimedia Foundation, whereas Wikimedia Space should be, as I
understand it, a movement-wide thing (though initiated by the Foundation).

I maintain that there is no single on-wiki place for movement-wide
announcements like this, and wikimedia-l is currently the most obvious
venue; and since Discourse can offer several improvements over a mailing
list (no need to set up a pseudonymous email if you want to remain
anonymous, and it’s easier to follow a discussion without subscribing to
the list), I’m excited about the possibilities this brings.

Cheers,
Lucas

PS: Minor note about the automatic promotion on Discourse – to my own
surprise, I earned level 1 just a few minutes after sending my other
email. It’s a much lower barrier than autoconfirmed status :)

[1]: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Village_pump
[2]: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum
[3]: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Discussion_pages

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

[Amir Sarabadani]

I have no comment on Wikimedia Space. IMHO it's too soon to criticize it
but I want to point out to a pattern that I have been seeing in the past
couple of months by several people in this very mailing list.

You have been repeating the word "WMF" (four time, for four different
purposes) and treating it as a big monolith which is far from truth, WMF
consists of different teams with different focuses, priorities, goals, and
processes.

This type of comments also increases the tension by promoting concept of
"volunteer vs. WMF". It's not a war, we have the same mission. Stop
criticizing a huge organization devoted to support volunteers (which you
can't deny all of its good deeds, like keeping servers the world-class
website running while being horribly understaffed, we have only 1% of
Google's staff) because you disagree with this project or that program.

Criticize projects, criticize actions (which can be valid), but don't be
like "here we go again, WMF".

I'm a volunteer at night, WMDE staff at day. Right now, it's the volunteer
hats on.

Best


On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 01:19 Yair Rand  wrote:

> I'm getting so many red flags.
>
> Established by WMF via secret (non-transparent) process, with no community
> involvement? Non-wiki environment, with the same scope as existing wikis?
> WMF-decided conduct policies? Every single moderator is a WMF employee?
> Forum using closed groups, with non-transparent communication?
> (Closed-source software, unless I'm mistaken?) So far outside Wikimedia
> spaces that the only place it was even _announced_ was an off-wiki mailing
> list?
>
> Is there something the Wikimedia Foundation would like to tell us?
>
> -- Yair Rand
>
> ‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 25 ביוני 2019 ב-14:56 מאת ‪Pine W‬‏ <‪wiki.p...@gmail.com
> ‬‏>:‬
>
> > Hi Maria,
> >
> > Thanks for this update.
> >
> > I hope that you can answer a question. I may be mistaken, but my
> impression
> > is that the purposes that are outlined for Wikimedia Space are within the
> > intended scopes of the Meta and Outreach wikis, as well as Wikimedia-l. I
> > think that the community would be willing to consider design improvements
> > and additional features for Meta and Outreach, such as calendar and map
> > tools that are easy to use. Design improvements and additional features
> > might also be welcome by third parties who use MediaWiki software and
> could
> > eventually have the option to implement the changes on their own sites.
> Can
> > you explain the decision to launch a new site instead of proposing design
> > improvements and additional features for Meta and Outreach?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

[Yair Rand]

‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 25 ביוני 2019 ב-18:02 מאת ‪Lucas Werkmeister‬‏ <‪
m...@lucaswerkmeister.de‬‏>:‬

> On 25.06.19 23:18, Yair Rand wrote:
> > So far outside Wikimedia
> > spaces that the only place it was even _announced_ was an off-wiki
> mailing
> > list?
>
> Where would you have announced it, then? I asked for a movement-wide
> announcement place a while ago in a different context [1] and got no
> satisfactory answer; the most popular one was wikimedia-l (this list),
> and the only on-wiki answers were “the village pumps” (i. e. scattered)
> – with the caveat that you should translate your message first, which
> doesn’t scale well. I’m not saying the Space shouldn’t have been
> announced anywhere else, but it certainly seems to me that there is a
> need for a space like it, and in particular I don’t understand why you
> criticize the choice of wikimedia-l for the initial announcement when
> there seems to be good consensus for it being a central movement
> announcement and discussion platform.
>
> [1]: https://twitter.com/LucasWerkmeistr/status/1107337860389265413


I would have publicly announced it at least on the place that it's trying
to replace: Meta-wiki.


> > Every single moderator is a WMF employee?
>
> There can hardly be many other moderators immediately after launch, but
> if you check the “trust levels and user rights” post [2], you’ll see
> that the software (Discourse) automatically promotes users based on
> certain criteria (similar to autoconfirmed status on-wiki), and the
> highest level seems in principle to be open to any user (though the
> criteria still have to be fleshed out, which to me seems reasonable at
> this stage.)
>
>
The outline ELappen (WMF) put up says explicitly that Wikimedia Space is
intended to be "A news and discussion space for the Wikimedia movement run
by Community Relations."

In the past, Wikimedia institutions have built things at the community's
request, with an clear "We set up the technical work, everything in it is
the community's responsibility now" message. This is pretty much the exact
opposite of that, especially since there already was a space that was
community-run with the same scope.

Moderation of communications is something the WMF does not run, period. The
perception that the WMF might think it can get involved in it is what led
to the current chaos on enwiki.

[2]:
>
> https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/trust-levels-and-user-rights-in-wikimedia-space/89
>
> > Forum using closed groups, with non-transparent communication?
>
> This question is a bit too short for me to make sense of, sorry. Closed
> groups are not the default, so are you criticizing their mere existence?
> Do you want to claim that that closed groups are never, ever warranted?
> Because in my experience the claim at [3] that “[b]ecause on-wiki spaces
> don’t allow for [closed] collaboration, some volunteers have gravitated
> toward … other … platforms” is completely true.
>
> [3]: https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/closed-groups/87
>
>
It is very deliberate that on-wiki spaces don't allow for closed
collaboration. Non-transparent activities is generally not accepted without
a very good reason.

> (Closed-source software, unless I'm mistaken?)
>
> Both WordPress and Discourse are free and open source software.
>
>
Last time the WMF set something up with WordPress, they did the whole thing
in private, failed to publish the source code for the custom theme for
months after launch, and also user violated privacy requirements by sharing
data with third parties by loading data from external websites. I see a new
website secretly set up with WordPress, a new tracker for the fact that
it's violating the privacy of every user by loading third-party resources
(T226559), and no mention anywhere of the publishing of the theme's source
code. It is, of course, perfectly possible that I just missed it, or that
there's no issue for some other reason.

Also there's no content license information anywhere. Or pages about dumps,
which would probably be necessary for allowing forking.

I don't understand how we got to the point where something like this isn't
even known about until after its launch. Or how it looks like everything
about it was built by the WMF. I don't understand what's going on in there.
It's quite concerning.

-- Yair Rand


> Cheers,
> Lucas
>
> >
> > Is there something the Wikimedia Foundation would like to tell us?
> >
> > -- Yair Rand
> >
> > ‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 25 ביוני 2019 ב-14:56 מאת ‪Pine W‬‏ <‪
> wiki.p...@gmail.com
> > ‬‏>:‬
> >
> >> Hi Maria,
> >>
> >> Thanks for this update.
> >>
> >> I hope that you can answer a question. I may be mistaken, but my
> impression
> >> is that the purposes that are outlined for Wikimedia Space are within
> the
> >> intended scopes of the Meta and Outreach wikis, as well as Wikimedia-l.
> I
> >> think that the community would be willing to consider design
> improvements
> >> and additional features for Meta and Outreach, such as calendar and 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

[Lucas Werkmeister]

On 25.06.19 23:18, Yair Rand wrote:
> So far outside Wikimedia
> spaces that the only place it was even _announced_ was an off-wiki mailing
> list?

Where would you have announced it, then? I asked for a movement-wide
announcement place a while ago in a different context [1] and got no
satisfactory answer; the most popular one was wikimedia-l (this list),
and the only on-wiki answers were “the village pumps” (i. e. scattered)
– with the caveat that you should translate your message first, which
doesn’t scale well. I’m not saying the Space shouldn’t have been
announced anywhere else, but it certainly seems to me that there is a
need for a space like it, and in particular I don’t understand why you
criticize the choice of wikimedia-l for the initial announcement when
there seems to be good consensus for it being a central movement
announcement and discussion platform.

[1]: https://twitter.com/LucasWerkmeistr/status/1107337860389265413

> Every single moderator is a WMF employee?

There can hardly be many other moderators immediately after launch, but
if you check the “trust levels and user rights” post [2], you’ll see
that the software (Discourse) automatically promotes users based on
certain criteria (similar to autoconfirmed status on-wiki), and the
highest level seems in principle to be open to any user (though the
criteria still have to be fleshed out, which to me seems reasonable at
this stage.)

[2]:
https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/trust-levels-and-user-rights-in-wikimedia-space/89

> Forum using closed groups, with non-transparent communication?

This question is a bit too short for me to make sense of, sorry. Closed
groups are not the default, so are you criticizing their mere existence?
Do you want to claim that that closed groups are never, ever warranted?
Because in my experience the claim at [3] that “[b]ecause on-wiki spaces
don’t allow for [closed] collaboration, some volunteers have gravitated
toward … other … platforms” is completely true.

[3]: https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/closed-groups/87

> (Closed-source software, unless I'm mistaken?)

Both WordPress and Discourse are free and open source software.

Cheers,
Lucas

> 
> Is there something the Wikimedia Foundation would like to tell us?
> 
> -- Yair Rand
> 
> ‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 25 ביוני 2019 ב-14:56 מאת ‪Pine W‬‏ <‪wiki.p...@gmail.com
> ‬‏>:‬
> 
>> Hi Maria,
>>
>> Thanks for this update.
>>
>> I hope that you can answer a question. I may be mistaken, but my impression
>> is that the purposes that are outlined for Wikimedia Space are within the
>> intended scopes of the Meta and Outreach wikis, as well as Wikimedia-l. I
>> think that the community would be willing to consider design improvements
>> and additional features for Meta and Outreach, such as calendar and map
>> tools that are easy to use. Design improvements and additional features
>> might also be welcome by third parties who use MediaWiki software and could
>> eventually have the option to implement the changes on their own sites. Can
>> you explain the decision to launch a new site instead of proposing design
>> improvements and additional features for Meta and Outreach?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Pine
>> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

[Jan Ainali]

Den tis 25 juni 2019 kl 23:19 skrev Yair Rand :

> (Closed-source software, unless I'm mistaken?)
> -- Yair Rand
>

Both Wordpress and Discourse are open source as far as I can see. Which one
are you referring to?

/Jan



>
> ‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 25 ביוני 2019 ב-14:56 מאת ‪Pine W‬‏ <‪wiki.p...@gmail.com
> ‬‏>:‬
>
> > Hi Maria,
> >
> > Thanks for this update.
> >
> > I hope that you can answer a question. I may be mistaken, but my
> impression
> > is that the purposes that are outlined for Wikimedia Space are within the
> > intended scopes of the Meta and Outreach wikis, as well as Wikimedia-l. I
> > think that the community would be willing to consider design improvements
> > and additional features for Meta and Outreach, such as calendar and map
> > tools that are easy to use. Design improvements and additional features
> > might also be welcome by third parties who use MediaWiki software and
> could
> > eventually have the option to implement the changes on their own sites.
> Can
> > you explain the decision to launch a new site instead of proposing design
> > improvements and additional features for Meta and Outreach?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

[Yair Rand]

I'm getting so many red flags.

Established by WMF via secret (non-transparent) process, with no community
involvement? Non-wiki environment, with the same scope as existing wikis?
WMF-decided conduct policies? Every single moderator is a WMF employee?
Forum using closed groups, with non-transparent communication?
(Closed-source software, unless I'm mistaken?) So far outside Wikimedia
spaces that the only place it was even _announced_ was an off-wiki mailing
list?

Is there something the Wikimedia Foundation would like to tell us?

-- Yair Rand

‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 25 ביוני 2019 ב-14:56 מאת ‪Pine W‬‏ <‪wiki.p...@gmail.com
‬‏>:‬

> Hi Maria,
>
> Thanks for this update.
>
> I hope that you can answer a question. I may be mistaken, but my impression
> is that the purposes that are outlined for Wikimedia Space are within the
> intended scopes of the Meta and Outreach wikis, as well as Wikimedia-l. I
> think that the community would be willing to consider design improvements
> and additional features for Meta and Outreach, such as calendar and map
> tools that are easy to use. Design improvements and additional features
> might also be welcome by third parties who use MediaWiki software and could
> eventually have the option to implement the changes on their own sites. Can
> you explain the decision to launch a new site instead of proposing design
> improvements and additional features for Meta and Outreach?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

[Pine W]

Hi Maria,

Thanks for this update.

I hope that you can answer a question. I may be mistaken, but my impression
is that the purposes that are outlined for Wikimedia Space are within the
intended scopes of the Meta and Outreach wikis, as well as Wikimedia-l. I
think that the community would be willing to consider design improvements
and additional features for Meta and Outreach, such as calendar and map
tools that are easy to use. Design improvements and additional features
might also be welcome by third parties who use MediaWiki software and could
eventually have the option to implement the changes on their own sites. Can
you explain the decision to launch a new site instead of proposing design
improvements and additional features for Meta and Outreach?

Thank you,

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

[Fæ]

On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 18:47, Maria Cruz  wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Today, the Wikimedia Foundation's Community Engagement department is
> launching Wikimedia Space *[1]*, a platform for movement *[2]* organizers,
> affiliates, contributors, partners, and the Foundation to share news,
> questions, and conversations.
>
> Learning from others has been the bedrock for development and growth in our
> movement. With this platform, we want to promote these sorts of enriching
> exchanges by welcoming people from every background to build strong and
> diverse communities, breaking down the barriers for entry to our movement,
> and focusing our efforts on facilitating collaboration, including from
> communities that are new to our movement.
>
> Wikimedia Space is a single place for collaboration, comprising Blog *[1]*
> and Discuss *[3]* hubs. The Blog section provides a movement-wide platform
> for project updates, recent events, and shared learnings. We have designed
> editorial guidelines that allow everyone to share their news with others.
> Wikimedia Space also allows anybody to add an event, which can be
> discovered in a calendar *[4]* or a map *[5] *of the movement. We want this
> new space to be safe and welcoming, especially for newcomers, and this is
> why it is governed by a code of conduct *[6]*, and relies on active
> community moderation.
>
> Wikimedia Space is currently a prototype, built on WordPress *[7]* and
> Discourse *[8]*. While at present it only operates in English, it will
> evolve to include multiple languages in the near future. This project is
> only possible with your participation. Spread the news and join Wikimedia
> Space *[9]*!
>
> Read more about the features you’ll find on our blog post. We have also
> published posts on how to make this space yours, so it can best serve your
> needs. You can find all the documentation for this project on its page on
> Meta.
>
> See you at Wikimedia Space!
>
>
> *María Cruz * \\  Communications and Outreach Manager, Community Engagement
> \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
> mc...@wikimedia.org  |  Twitter:  @marianarra_
> 
>
>
> [1] https://space.wmflabs.org
>
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement
>
> [3] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/
>
> [4] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/events/l/calendar
>
> [5] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/events/l/map
>
> [6] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/guidelines
>
> [7] https://wordpress.org/
>
> [8] https://discourse.org/
> [9] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/how-to-join-wikimedia-space/113
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Does this mean we should plan to stop using https://outreach.wikimedia.org?

The two appear to serve the same purpose and are governed by the same
codes of conduct.

Thanks,
Fae
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[Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

[Maria Cruz]

Hello everyone,

Today, the Wikimedia Foundation's Community Engagement department is
launching Wikimedia Space *[1]*, a platform for movement *[2]* organizers,
affiliates, contributors, partners, and the Foundation to share news,
questions, and conversations.

Learning from others has been the bedrock for development and growth in our
movement. With this platform, we want to promote these sorts of enriching
exchanges by welcoming people from every background to build strong and
diverse communities, breaking down the barriers for entry to our movement,
and focusing our efforts on facilitating collaboration, including from
communities that are new to our movement.

Wikimedia Space is a single place for collaboration, comprising Blog *[1]*
and Discuss *[3]* hubs. The Blog section provides a movement-wide platform
for project updates, recent events, and shared learnings. We have designed
editorial guidelines that allow everyone to share their news with others.
Wikimedia Space also allows anybody to add an event, which can be
discovered in a calendar *[4]* or a map *[5] *of the movement. We want this
new space to be safe and welcoming, especially for newcomers, and this is
why it is governed by a code of conduct *[6]*, and relies on active
community moderation.

Wikimedia Space is currently a prototype, built on WordPress *[7]* and
Discourse *[8]*. While at present it only operates in English, it will
evolve to include multiple languages in the near future. This project is
only possible with your participation. Spread the news and join Wikimedia
Space *[9]*!

Read more about the features you’ll find on our blog post. We have also
published posts on how to make this space yours, so it can best serve your
needs. You can find all the documentation for this project on its page on
Meta.

See you at Wikimedia Space!


*María Cruz * \\  Communications and Outreach Manager, Community Engagement
\\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
mc...@wikimedia.org  |  Twitter:  @marianarra_



[1] https://space.wmflabs.org

[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement

[3] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/

[4] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/events/l/calendar

[5] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/events/l/map

[6] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/guidelines

[7] https://wordpress.org/

[8] https://discourse.org/
[9] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/how-to-join-wikimedia-space/113
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Research Showcase] June 26, 2019 at 11:30 AM PST, 19:30 UTC

[Janna Layton]

Time correction:

The next Research Showcase will be live-streamed next Wednesday, June 26,
at *11:30 AM PDT/18:30 UTC*.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 4:11 PM Janna Layton  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The next Research Showcase will be live-streamed this Wednesday, June 26,
> at 11:30 AM PST/19:30 UTC. We will have three presentations this showcase,
> all relating to Wikipedia blocks.
>
> YouTube stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiUfpmeJG7E
>
> As usual, you can join the conversation on IRC at #wikimedia-research. You
> can also watch our past research showcases here:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research/Showcase
>
> This month's presentations:
>
> Trajectories of Blocked Community Members: Redemption, Recidivism and
> Departure
>
> By Jonathan Chang, Cornell University
>
> Community norm violations can impair constructive communication and
> collaboration online. As a defense mechanism, community moderators often
> address such transgressions by temporarily blocking the perpetrator. Such
> actions, however, come with the cost of potentially alienating community
> members. Given this tradeoff, it is essential to understand to what extent,
> and in which situations, this common moderation practice is effective in
> reinforcing community rules. In this work, we introduce a computational
> framework for studying the future behavior of blocked users on Wikipedia.
> After their block expires, they can take several distinct paths: they can
> reform and adhere to the rules, but they can also recidivate, or
> straight-out abandon the community. We reveal that these trajectories are
> tied to factors rooted both in the characteristics of the blocked
> individual and in whether they perceived the block to be fair and
> justified. Based on these insights, we formulate a series of prediction
> tasks aiming to determine which of these paths a user is likely to take
> after being blocked for their first offense, and demonstrate the
> feasibility of these new tasks. Overall, this work builds towards a more
> nuanced approach to moderation by highlighting the tradeoffs that are in
> play.
>
>
> Automatic Detection of Online Abuse in Wikipedia
>
> By Lane Rasberry, University of Virginia
>
> Researchers analyzed all English Wikipedia blocks prior to 2018 using
> machine learning. With insights gained, the researchers examined all
> English Wikipedia users who are not blocked against the identified
> characteristics of blocked users. The results were a ranked set of
> predictions of users who are not blocked, but who have a history of conduct
> similar to that of blocked users. This research and process models a system
> for the use of computing to aid human moderators in identifying conduct on
> English Wikipedia which merits a block.
>
> Project page:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/University_of_Virginia/Automatic_Detection_of_Online_Abuse
>
> Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIhdb4-hKBo
>
>
> First Insights from Partial Blocks in Wikimedia Wikis
>
> By Morten Warncke-Wang, Wikimedia Foundation
>
> The Anti-Harassment Tools team at the Wikimedia Foundation released the
> partial block feature in early 2019. Where previously blocks on Wikimedia
> wikis were sitewide (users were blocked from editing an entire wiki),
> partial blocks makes it possible to block users from editing specific pages
> and/or namespaces. The Italian Wikipedia was the first wiki to start using
> this feature, and it has since been rolled out to other wikis as well. In
> this presentation, we will look at how this feature has been used in the
> first few months since release.
>
>
> --
> Janna Layton (she, her)
> Administrative Assistant - Audiences & Technology
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>


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[Wikimedia-l] Facebook rfc on designing a Content Moderation Oversight Board

[Edward Saperia]

I thought this was interesting - it acknowledges many issues that come up
frequently in our community - released in January but I believe they still
consider many of these questions as open ones:

https://fbnewsroomus.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/draft-charter-oversight-board-for-content-decisions-2.pdf

Draft Charter: An Oversight Board for Content Decisions

"Every day, teams at Facebook make difficult decisions about what content
should stay up and what should come down.

As our community has grown to more than 2 billion people, we have come to
believe that Facebook should not make so many of those decisions on its own
— that people should be able to request an appeal of our content decisions
to an independent body.

To do that, we are creating an external board. The board will be a body of
independent experts who will review Facebook's most challenging content
decisions - focusing on important and disputed cases. It will share its
decisions transparently and give reasons for them.

The board will be able to reverse Facebook’s decisions about whether to
allow or remove certain posts on the platform. Facebook will accept and
implement the board's decisions.

Facebook takes responsibility for our content decisions, policies and the
values we use to make them. The purpose of the board is to provide
oversight of how we exercise that responsibility and to make Facebook more
accountable.

The following draft raises questions and considerations, while providing a
suggested approach that constitutes a model for the board's structure,
scope and authority. It is a starting point for discussion on how the board
should be designed and formed. What the draft does not do is answer every
proposed question completely or finally.

We are actively seeking contributions, opinions and perspectives from
around the world on each of the questions outlined below."

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