Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-05 Thread Samuel Klein
Jonathan + Adrian -- thank you for the thoughtful ideas. Seconding that: ~ We could use warmer, less confusing ways to handle edit conflicts, deletion, and edit wars ~ We have the luxury of trying many approaches in different places, and iterating Nathan wrote: > You want a revolution to make

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banning real identities

2019-07-05 Thread Vi to
Putting it simple WMF/functionaries/the community itself should take the less invasive actions needed to protect themselves. A public list of "persona non grata" for events is needed for sure, but I don't see any practical need to have it publicly shared. Vito Il giorno ven 5 lug 2019 alle ore

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-05 Thread Todd Allen
I wish that it were. Unfortunately, it is actually the case. Todd On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 5:42 AM Michel Vuijlsteke wrote: > This is sarcasm, right? Right? > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, 12:16 Todd Allen, wrote: > > > Well, inclusionism generally is toxic. It lets a huge volume of garbage > > pile up.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-05 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
This is sarcasm, right? Right? On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, 12:16 Todd Allen, wrote: > Well, inclusionism generally is toxic. It lets a huge volume of garbage > pile up. Deletionism just takes out the trash. We did it with damn Pokemon, > and we'll eventually do it with junk football "biographies", with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banning real identities

2019-07-05 Thread Andy Mabbett
> Den fre. 5. jul. 2019 kl. 11.53 skrev Thomas Townsend > You don;t explain why being "doxxed" was a bad thing for you, or > > indeed what the downside is for anyone, You simply assert that it is > > a Bad Thing and must not happen. Would you like to give your reasons > > for those assertions?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banning real identities

2019-07-05 Thread Isaac Olatunde
Doxxing is often considered as harassment. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Harassment#Posting_of_personal_information Isaac On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 12:30 PM Todd Allen Doxing means to reveal personal data about someone against their wishes. So > if you found out my address and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banning real identities

2019-07-05 Thread Todd Allen
Doxing means to reveal personal data about someone against their wishes. So if you found out my address and telephone number and posted it to this thread, that would be doxing me. On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 5:26 AM Thyge wrote: > - and please explain the meaning of 'doxxed" as well. Is that US slang?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-05 Thread Pierre-Selim
How open minded ... That said can people participating to this thread respect the soft limit of this mailing list, i.e. this is not a chat, and I'm pretty sure your answers can wait 24 hours. Thank you. Le ven. 5 juil. 2019 à 12:16, Todd Allen a écrit : > Well, inclusionism generally is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banning real identities

2019-07-05 Thread Thyge
- and please explain the meaning of 'doxxed" as well. Is that US slang? Thyge - Sir48 Den fre. 5. jul. 2019 kl. 11.53 skrev Thomas Townsend : > Alphos > > You don;t explain why being "doxxed" was a bad thing for you, or > indeed what the downside is for anyone, You simply assert that it is > a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-05 Thread Robert Fernandez
It isn't magic. People have studied how and why it was successful and other projects were not. Wikipedia 2019 isn't the same as Wikipedia 2001. We've made lots of changes that we thought at the time were radical along the way. On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 6:01 AM Todd Allen wrote: > That "arcane

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-05 Thread Todd Allen
Well, inclusionism generally is toxic. It lets a huge volume of garbage pile up. Deletionism just takes out the trash. We did it with damn Pokemon, and we'll eventually do it with junk football "biographies", with "football" in the sense of American and otherwise. We'll sooner or later get it done

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-05 Thread Todd Allen
That "arcane lore" has resulted in the largest educational work ever produced by humanity, and free for everyone both as in speech and as in beer. So I think we need to consider carefully before radically changing it. It has worked, and worked unimaginably well, for most of two decades. That's

[Wikimedia-l] Toxic vs Non-toxic (Re: Fram en.wp office yearlock block)

2019-07-05 Thread Richard Ames
On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 09:32, Nathan wrote: > > Yes, the environment is full of toxic people. This has always been true, > and yet it exists. > Most people are non toxic in my city and in Wikipedia. Nathan's point is correct - it won't change and WMF can't fix it. Richard.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banning real identities

2019-07-05 Thread Thomas Townsend
Alphos You don;t explain why being "doxxed" was a bad thing for you, or indeed what the downside is for anyone, You simply assert that it is a Bad Thing and must not happen. Would you like to give your reasons for those assertions? The Turnip On Thu, 4 Jul 2019 at 15:12, Alphos OGame wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-05 Thread Thomas Townsend
Nathan > Yes, the environment is full of toxic people. This has always been true, > and yet it exists. You want a revolution to make Wikipedia a friendlier > place? It isn't going to happen. There is no such place, at least not with > the critical mass of human participants that this project

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-05 Thread Peter Southwood
Hi Pine, I more often find myself agreeing with you than not, but there are often nuanced differences in that opinion, which is generally not a problem. I agree that the board could have expressed their consensus opinion differently, but the fact that it is a consensus opinion will necessarily

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-05 Thread Peter Southwood
Some training and assessment might be useful. P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Raddatz Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 3:56 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block