Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Medicine: Changes in Board Compositions

2019-08-12 Thread Rajeeb Dutta
Congrats Shani & Doug Taylor and all my best wishes for your upcoming future endeavour. Best Regards, Rajeeb Dutta. (U: Marajozkee) Sent from my iPhone > On 13-Aug-2019, at 4:43 AM, Shani Evenstein wrote: > > Dear all, > > If you've seen my post yesterday then you might have expected this

[Wikimedia-l] Affiliations Committee - Call for Advisors

2019-08-12 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Hi everyone! The Affiliations Committee – the committee responsible for guiding volunteers in establishing Wikimedia chapters, thematic organizations, and user groups – is looking for advisors! The main role of the Affiliations Committee is to guide groups of volunteers that are interested in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Pine W
Thanks for the update, Nicole. As I have been reading portions of the recommendations, I am finding it helpful to remind myself that these proposals are drafts, and to assume good faith when reading them. I have a variety of thoughts regarding proposals, including "I completely agree", "This is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:18 PM Nathan wrote: > > One counter-argument that doesn't seem to come up that often is that the > movement as a whole may be better placed to decide the needs of the > movement as a whole than smaller, more local communities. I think that idea does come up pretty

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 7:12 PM Pete Forsyth wrote: > Ziko's original comment appears to derive from the "Terms of Use/Licensing" > section of the Recommendations.[1] It says: "Present licensing for both > text and photographs should change to allow restrictions for non-commercial > use and no

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Medicine: Changes in Board Compositions

2019-08-12 Thread Shani Evenstein
Dear all, If you've seen my post yesterday then you might have expected this this announcement as well; if you haven't -- as some of you may know, I will soon be joining the Board of Trustees (August 15), and am therefore required to resign my formal role as Chair of Wikimedia Medicine (a.k.a.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Pete Forsyth
Ziko's original comment appears to derive from the "Terms of Use/Licensing" section of the Recommendations.[1] It says: "Present licensing for both text and photographs should change to allow restrictions for non-commercial use and no derivative works, if those will improve the ability of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Aron Manning
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Ziko wrote: The concern is that allowing NC and ND would lead to more content being > uploaded under these "unfree" conditions that otherwise would be uploaded > as "free". I share those concerns, and believe it's not in the general interest of uploaders to use

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 21:43, Philip Kopetzky wrote: > these are still rather talking points than specific > visions of the future and it would be great to discuss them in that way. Beyond what I have already said, I do not see any merit in discussing glib statements like "All change has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Aron, Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 22:34 Uhr schrieb Aron Manning < aronmanni...@gmail.com>: > > Part of this would be the addition of NC and ND licenses. This doesn't mean > that there will be less free content, but instead more material will be > possible to be uploaded, from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Andy, the way the recommendations were drafted was not straightforward and they are still drafts, some less defined than might be ideal at this point in time. Personally I would not accept such a statement in a final recommendation, but these are still rather talking points than specific

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Aron Manning
We've been waiting for the moment the WMF starts a conversation of proposed changes. It finally came, and I appreciate this good faith effort. I hope we can give constructive feedback and get involved in a civil manner, without focusing on perceived hostilities. The Terms of Use/Licensing Policy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] [Eduwiki] The Wikipedia & Education User Group: Changes in Board Composition

2019-08-12 Thread Nichole Saad
Congrats, Filip, João & LiAnna! We look forward to working closely with you :) best, Nichole On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:41 AM Rajeeb Dutta wrote: > Congrats João & LiAnna, thanks Shani for the updates and wishing Shani and > Ananth all my best wishes for your upcoming future endeavour. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Anders Wennersten
I want to express my appreciation for the work being done and the result. I am not able to get to grips with all parts of the recommendation but as I understand there are two key messages: *To distribute  many of the function now at WMF in SF to different locations in the world (whereof 50%

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 16:51, Nicole Ebber wrote: > This is a > process for all of us to shape our shared future, together; let’s keep > engaging and challenging one another in this same spirit. Perhaps it would also be in keeping with that spirit for this: Q4a. Could this Recommendation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Risker
Ziko and others - please, please provide your feedback to all of the working groups on all of the ideas. Please tell us when you see a draft recommendation that seems to be right. Please tell us when you see a draft recommendation that you think is unreasonable - and tell us what causes your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Chris Keating
Hi Ziko, There is in fact a rationale within the text of the recommendation. In essence, it's that some communities will never share their heritage if it can then be re-used in a manner they consider disrespectful. Of course one can disagree with that statement on a factual level, or ask for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 17:51 Uhr schrieb Nicole Ebber < nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de>: > Dear all,. > As such, constructive > feedback and solution-oriented suggestions are welcomed. Hello Nicole, For example, if I say that I am against NC and ND content on Commons, would such a feedback be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Chris Keating
Hi Yaroslav, > No, it does not work like this. Large communities are only going to accept > decisions which were discussed with them properly, on their project and in > the two-way interaction mode. The discussions on Meta in the mode "we will > listen to you and then let you know of our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
No, it does not work like this. Large communities are only going to accept decisions which were discussed with them properly, on their project and in the two-way interaction mode. The discussions on Meta in the mode "we will listen to you and then let you know of our decision" are not going to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Nicole Ebber
Dear all, We would like to offer further clarification that the recommendations for Wikimedia 2030 [1] that were shared earlier with you are indeed drafts. They represent discussions around a wide array of topics that the nine thematic working groups, affiliates and communities had identified

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NC and ND content (was: Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations...)

2019-08-12 Thread Todd Allen
NC would also create a nightmare for downstream reusers. If I want to use some portions of a Wikipedia article in a blog post, and I have a couple ads on my blog to help defray the hosting costs, does that violate NC? And certainly the stuff James brings up, regarding providing mechanisms for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Todd Allen
"And just to keep this on track, what is your view on how we can incorporate indigenous knowledge without it becoming commercialised by the current licensing scheme?" We can't and no one can. Knowledge, ideas, and concepts cannot be copyrighted to begin with. Now, specific expressions of those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NC and ND content (was: Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations...)

2019-08-12 Thread James Heilman
Yah I have mixed feelings about NC. There is a lot of great content under this license which would benefit our readers if we could use it. We for example have folks like Khan Academy and the World Health Organization who refuse to adopt open licenses. They tell us that we can use their content

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Yury Bulka
> I think that re-imagining the governance of this movement is going to be the > first step towards making any sort of progress towards the goals of either > group. I think this is what the Roles and Responsibilities working group was trying to do. 12 серпня 2019 р. 15:41:13 EEST, Adrian

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NC and ND content (was: Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations...)

2019-08-12 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, There was once a report in which I read: Wikimedia Commons should allow NC and ND content because that is somehow good for "communities that are historically prohibited from telling their stories". Then I asked on the talk page for the reasoning behind this demand/postulation. The answer I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Adrian Raddatz
I'm tempted to sit this one out. The Foundation has organized a bunch of working groups, staffed primarily through volunteers of various types, to present some strategic recommendations for moving forward into the future. We are a movement with flaws and opportunities for improvement, as with any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Yury Bulka
Maybe it is better to discuss specific recommendations on their talk pages? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Diversity/Recommendations/9 We might find ourselves discussing here only one specific recommendation while the other working groups'

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 12:47, Philip Kopetzky wrote: > > Please don't generalise frustration with your conduct on this list. You're > the only one telling people to shut up here. I have told nobody to shut up. This is a continuation of the use of character assignation to shut up points of view

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Please don't generalise frustration with your conduct on this list. You're the only one telling people to shut up here. And just to keep this on track, what is your view on how we can incorporate indigenous knowledge without it becoming commercialised by the current licensing scheme?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 11:53, Philip Kopetzky wrote: > > I'm pretty sure that that licensing recommendation is still > work-in-progress and the legal implications haven't been analysed yet. Huh. Nobody has mentioned legal implications. Not sure there are any that would be especially different to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Philip Kopetzky
I'm pretty sure that that licensing recommendation is still work-in-progress and the legal implications haven't been analysed yet. I guess that assuming good faith is not your strong suit, Fae? Be part of the solution, for once. On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 11:25, Fæ wrote: > I agree that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 10:24, Fæ wrote: > > I agree that the official announcement on Commons is worse than unfortunate. > > The announcement by the Diversity Working Group on a sub-page of the > VP of their recommendation to permit NC and ND license restrictions on > Commons, comes after no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread
I agree that the official announcement on Commons is worse than unfortunate. The announcement by the Diversity Working Group on a sub-page of the VP of their recommendation to permit NC and ND license restrictions on Commons, comes after no attempt in advance to discuss the recommendation or its

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Yury Bulka
Todd Allen writes: > There does not seem to be anywhere to comment on these, which there should > be. I saw at least one which is highly objectionable and which I would like > to object to. The Recommendations page contains a "How to Share Your Feedback" section.