Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 10:42, Todd Allen wrote: > > Well then, why aren't you listening? You appear to be addressing an individual. Your top-posting does not make the addressee clear. > We've been begging WMF for years to come up with a solution for paid > editing. If you actually put something

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-25 Thread Todd Allen
Payment "in kind" is still a form of payment. Now, if it's just talking about expense reimbursement, I'm okay with that (so long as such reimbursement is done uniformly rather than just for certain people), but as far as I know that's already been done for a long time. But it's still bothersome th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-25 Thread Ilario valdelli
Hi Dariusz in recent years WMF has emphasized the concepts of diversity and equity that are excellent and desirable but should not forget that Wikipedia today is what it is thanks to a community that for over 18 years has supported these projects and that cannot be forgotten from today to tom

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-25 Thread Bence Damokos
There is merit in discussing that recommendation for what it is about (perhaps in a separate thread or on the Meta talk page), but it was not about paid editing. Best regards, Bence On Sun, 25 Aug 2019, 13:16 Ilario valdelli, wrote: > Hi Bence, > > I think that this recommendation is ambigous.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-25 Thread Ilario valdelli
You are right and this is what it should be. Anyways we must consider that the selection of the working groups followed more the parameters to select the "representatives" of Wikimedia than the "representatives" of Wikipedia's communities. Basically the experience in Wikimedia projects has be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-25 Thread Ilario valdelli
Hi Bence, I think that this recommendation is ambigous. There is a specific sentence: "We need to pay or otherwise compensate people to participate" which can be opened to any interpretation. I think that this recommendation is quite complicated to be accepted by the community because it asso

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-25 Thread Bence Damokos
The recommendation you link to was about ensuring diversity on decision making committees, and has this part “We are currently not sure about ‘paid editing’, and leaning towards not supporting that. ”. I think it would help the discussion if we did not distort the content of the recommendations, e

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-25 Thread Todd Allen
Well then, why aren't you listening? We've been begging WMF for years to come up with a solution for paid editing. If you actually put something in the ToU against it, we can get paid edit requests removed from sites like Upwork, since they will not allow requests that violate another site's term