Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the extension of funding by the Basque Government

2019-09-22 Thread Eduardo Testart
Galder,

Excelentes noticias! Me alegro muchísimo!


Atentamente,

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 3:33 PM John DeBruyn 
wrote:

> Most extraordinary, all involved are to be congratulated, and
> most importantly the Basque People and their Representatives who have
> through their Government rendered such generous financial support, an
> Example to the World.
>
> With Personal and Warm Regards, Sincerely, John, John DeBruyn, Denver,
> Colorado, United States of America, debruynlawoff...@gmail.com,
> http://debruyn.com
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 8:17 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
> galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear wikimedians,
> > Three years have gone since we started with the Basque Wikimedians User
> > Group Education Program, funded by the Basque Government. After two years
> > and a half of great enhancing of Basque Wikipedia (more than 2.500
> students
> > adding more than 1.5 million words on fundamental topics) the Basque
> > Government has announce us today the extension of the funding for four
> more
> > years.
> >
> > In this four years we will try to strengthen our Educaton Program but
> also
> > open to new areas in order to make our knowledge equity vision possible.
> By
> > 2024 we will have taken sure steps towards creating a free knowledge
> > ecosystem centered at Wikimedia.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Galder
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

2019-09-22 Thread Todd Allen
When I visited it, yes, the message could be dismissed.

Todd

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 4:53 PM Dennis During  wrote:

> Does anyone know whether the screen allowed a user to click through?
>
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 1:25 PM Fæ  wrote:
>
> > A screenshot has been uploaded to
> >
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMF_global_climate_strike_banner_2019.png
> > .
> >
> > Unfortunately, though web.archive.org has snapshots of the website,
> > these do not appear to render the banner as it displayed in a browser
> > on the day.
> >
> > Fae
> > --
> > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> >
> > On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 at 09:30, Alexander N Krassotkin
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >   Does anyone have a screenshot of the page with this banner? Or a
> > > link to an online archive? Or at least the banner itself?
> > >
> > > sasha.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 9:54 PM Dennis During 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I couldn't get onto WP or en.wikt shortly after I had heard about the
> > MW
> > > > participation in the strike. I jumped to an apparently wrong
> > conclusion.
> > > > Sorry.
> > > >
> > > > I am glad that the availability of free knowledge for all was not
> > disrupted.
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 3:19 AM Todd Allen 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > As far as I can tell, only the Foundation wiki is showing the
> strike
> > > > > message. That particular one is pretty much theirs to do as they
> > like with.
> > > > >
> > > > > If they started doing that to any other wikis without their
> > agreement,
> > > > > well, then we'd have a problem. But so long as it's only the WMF
> wiki
> > > > > itself, I don't see the issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > Todd
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 6:45 PM Dennis During 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I am profoundly disappointed that WMF employees don't value the
> > mission.
> > > > > > Instead they seem to simply follow fashion and force users and
> > volunteers
> > > > > > to follow their fashionable methods of advocacy.  They use their
> > monopoly
> > > > > > power to deny free access to the world's knowledge that many
> > thousands of
> > > > > > volunteers have diligently assembled. This time it is to show
> > solidarity
> > > > > > with environmental advocates. What will it be next time?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 15:35 Pine W  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a few comments.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > While I appreciate the sentiment, I wouldn't have put the
> > > > > > > wikimediafoundation.org domain "on strike", just as I wouldn't
> > have
> > > > > put
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > government agency's website "on strike". I think that some
> > discussion
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > climate change would be fine, but I think that WMF's action
> here
> > is
> > > > > > > somewhat strange.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think that asking about the climate impact of staff travel is
> > fine.
> > > > > > > However, I would also include questions about travel for
> > Wikimedia
> > > > > events
> > > > > > > more broadly. I believe that the WMF Board has indicated
> support
> > for
> > > > > > trying
> > > > > > > to reduce the Wikiverse's contributions to climate change. As
> > has been
> > > > > > > mentioned in this thread, WMF released a report yesterday
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-September/093519.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > on the subject of sustainability. While I have not read it, I
> > think
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > measuring and attempting to reduce reduce negative
> environmental
> > > > > impacts
> > > > > > > from Wikimedia activities is good, including negative
> > environmental
> > > > > > impacts
> > > > > > > from travel. However, I also think that there are some benefits
> > to
> > > > > morale
> > > > > > > and communications from in person meetings, so I would be
> > reluctant to
> > > > > > > eliminate travel and conferences entirely.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think that it's fine to ask whether WMF senior management is
> > > > > practicing
> > > > > > > what they preach. However, Fae, I feel that your tone in this
> > thread is
> > > > > > > excessively harsh on this point. I think that you could ask
> very
> > > > > similar
> > > > > > > questions with a tone that is calmer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On the subject of environmental sustainability, my main concern
> > at this
> > > > > > > time is the banner on the WMF website which I feel is somewhat
> > weird
> > > > > and
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > inconsistent with WMF's goal of being "essential
> > infrastructure". Do we
> > > > > > > want "essential infrastructure" to go on strike, particularly
> > when that
> > > > > > > infrastructure is supposed to be for an organization that
> > provides
> > > > > public
> > > > > > > service and supports the community in publishing reliable
> > scientific
> > > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

2019-09-22 Thread Dennis During
Does anyone know whether the screen allowed a user to click through?

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 1:25 PM Fæ  wrote:

> A screenshot has been uploaded to
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMF_global_climate_strike_banner_2019.png
> .
>
> Unfortunately, though web.archive.org has snapshots of the website,
> these do not appear to render the banner as it displayed in a browser
> on the day.
>
> Fae
> --
> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
>
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 at 09:30, Alexander N Krassotkin
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >   Does anyone have a screenshot of the page with this banner? Or a
> > link to an online archive? Or at least the banner itself?
> >
> > sasha.
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 9:54 PM Dennis During 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I couldn't get onto WP or en.wikt shortly after I had heard about the
> MW
> > > participation in the strike. I jumped to an apparently wrong
> conclusion.
> > > Sorry.
> > >
> > > I am glad that the availability of free knowledge for all was not
> disrupted.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 3:19 AM Todd Allen 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > As far as I can tell, only the Foundation wiki is showing the strike
> > > > message. That particular one is pretty much theirs to do as they
> like with.
> > > >
> > > > If they started doing that to any other wikis without their
> agreement,
> > > > well, then we'd have a problem. But so long as it's only the WMF wiki
> > > > itself, I don't see the issue.
> > > >
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 6:45 PM Dennis During 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I am profoundly disappointed that WMF employees don't value the
> mission.
> > > > > Instead they seem to simply follow fashion and force users and
> volunteers
> > > > > to follow their fashionable methods of advocacy.  They use their
> monopoly
> > > > > power to deny free access to the world's knowledge that many
> thousands of
> > > > > volunteers have diligently assembled. This time it is to show
> solidarity
> > > > > with environmental advocates. What will it be next time?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 15:35 Pine W  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have a few comments.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While I appreciate the sentiment, I wouldn't have put the
> > > > > > wikimediafoundation.org domain "on strike", just as I wouldn't
> have
> > > > put
> > > > > a
> > > > > > government agency's website "on strike". I think that some
> discussion
> > > > of
> > > > > > climate change would be fine, but I think that WMF's action here
> is
> > > > > > somewhat strange.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think that asking about the climate impact of staff travel is
> fine.
> > > > > > However, I would also include questions about travel for
> Wikimedia
> > > > events
> > > > > > more broadly. I believe that the WMF Board has indicated support
> for
> > > > > trying
> > > > > > to reduce the Wikiverse's contributions to climate change. As
> has been
> > > > > > mentioned in this thread, WMF released a report yesterday
> > > > > > <
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-September/093519.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > on the subject of sustainability. While I have not read it, I
> think
> > > > that
> > > > > > measuring and attempting to reduce reduce negative environmental
> > > > impacts
> > > > > > from Wikimedia activities is good, including negative
> environmental
> > > > > impacts
> > > > > > from travel. However, I also think that there are some benefits
> to
> > > > morale
> > > > > > and communications from in person meetings, so I would be
> reluctant to
> > > > > > eliminate travel and conferences entirely.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think that it's fine to ask whether WMF senior management is
> > > > practicing
> > > > > > what they preach. However, Fae, I feel that your tone in this
> thread is
> > > > > > excessively harsh on this point. I think that you could ask very
> > > > similar
> > > > > > questions with a tone that is calmer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the subject of environmental sustainability, my main concern
> at this
> > > > > > time is the banner on the WMF website which I feel is somewhat
> weird
> > > > and
> > > > > is
> > > > > > inconsistent with WMF's goal of being "essential
> infrastructure". Do we
> > > > > > want "essential infrastructure" to go on strike, particularly
> when that
> > > > > > infrastructure is supposed to be for an organization that
> provides
> > > > public
> > > > > > service and supports the community in publishing reliable
> scientific
> > > > > > information? I think not. However, I think that the banner is
> > > > regrettably
> > > > > > consistent with the series of surprising decisions from WMF in
> the past
> > > > > few
> > > > > > months. That is, to me, the most concerning element in all of
> this. If
> > > > > WMF
> > > > > > wants to be a public service infrastructure provider then I
> think that
> > > > it
> > > > > > should act like 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

2019-09-22 Thread
A screenshot has been uploaded to
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMF_global_climate_strike_banner_2019.png.

Unfortunately, though web.archive.org has snapshots of the website,
these do not appear to render the banner as it displayed in a browser
on the day.

Fae
-- 
fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 at 09:30, Alexander N Krassotkin
 wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>   Does anyone have a screenshot of the page with this banner? Or a
> link to an online archive? Or at least the banner itself?
>
> sasha.
>
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 9:54 PM Dennis During  wrote:
> >
> > I couldn't get onto WP or en.wikt shortly after I had heard about the MW
> > participation in the strike. I jumped to an apparently wrong conclusion.
> > Sorry.
> >
> > I am glad that the availability of free knowledge for all was not disrupted.
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 3:19 AM Todd Allen  wrote:
> >
> > > As far as I can tell, only the Foundation wiki is showing the strike
> > > message. That particular one is pretty much theirs to do as they like 
> > > with.
> > >
> > > If they started doing that to any other wikis without their agreement,
> > > well, then we'd have a problem. But so long as it's only the WMF wiki
> > > itself, I don't see the issue.
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 6:45 PM Dennis During  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am profoundly disappointed that WMF employees don't value the mission.
> > > > Instead they seem to simply follow fashion and force users and 
> > > > volunteers
> > > > to follow their fashionable methods of advocacy.  They use their 
> > > > monopoly
> > > > power to deny free access to the world's knowledge that many thousands 
> > > > of
> > > > volunteers have diligently assembled. This time it is to show solidarity
> > > > with environmental advocates. What will it be next time?
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 15:35 Pine W  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I have a few comments.
> > > > >
> > > > > While I appreciate the sentiment, I wouldn't have put the
> > > > > wikimediafoundation.org domain "on strike", just as I wouldn't have
> > > put
> > > > a
> > > > > government agency's website "on strike". I think that some discussion
> > > of
> > > > > climate change would be fine, but I think that WMF's action here is
> > > > > somewhat strange.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that asking about the climate impact of staff travel is fine.
> > > > > However, I would also include questions about travel for Wikimedia
> > > events
> > > > > more broadly. I believe that the WMF Board has indicated support for
> > > > trying
> > > > > to reduce the Wikiverse's contributions to climate change. As has been
> > > > > mentioned in this thread, WMF released a report yesterday
> > > > > <
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-September/093519.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > on the subject of sustainability. While I have not read it, I think
> > > that
> > > > > measuring and attempting to reduce reduce negative environmental
> > > impacts
> > > > > from Wikimedia activities is good, including negative environmental
> > > > impacts
> > > > > from travel. However, I also think that there are some benefits to
> > > morale
> > > > > and communications from in person meetings, so I would be reluctant to
> > > > > eliminate travel and conferences entirely.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that it's fine to ask whether WMF senior management is
> > > practicing
> > > > > what they preach. However, Fae, I feel that your tone in this thread 
> > > > > is
> > > > > excessively harsh on this point. I think that you could ask very
> > > similar
> > > > > questions with a tone that is calmer.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the subject of environmental sustainability, my main concern at 
> > > > > this
> > > > > time is the banner on the WMF website which I feel is somewhat weird
> > > and
> > > > is
> > > > > inconsistent with WMF's goal of being "essential infrastructure". Do 
> > > > > we
> > > > > want "essential infrastructure" to go on strike, particularly when 
> > > > > that
> > > > > infrastructure is supposed to be for an organization that provides
> > > public
> > > > > service and supports the community in publishing reliable scientific
> > > > > information? I think not. However, I think that the banner is
> > > regrettably
> > > > > consistent with the series of surprising decisions from WMF in the 
> > > > > past
> > > > few
> > > > > months. That is, to me, the most concerning element in all of this. If
> > > > WMF
> > > > > wants to be a public service infrastructure provider then I think that
> > > it
> > > > > should act like one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pine
> > > > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> > > > > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

2019-09-22 Thread Alexander N Krassotkin
Hi,

  Does anyone have a screenshot of the page with this banner? Or a
link to an online archive? Or at least the banner itself?

sasha.

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 9:54 PM Dennis During  wrote:
>
> I couldn't get onto WP or en.wikt shortly after I had heard about the MW
> participation in the strike. I jumped to an apparently wrong conclusion.
> Sorry.
>
> I am glad that the availability of free knowledge for all was not disrupted.
>
> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 3:19 AM Todd Allen  wrote:
>
> > As far as I can tell, only the Foundation wiki is showing the strike
> > message. That particular one is pretty much theirs to do as they like with.
> >
> > If they started doing that to any other wikis without their agreement,
> > well, then we'd have a problem. But so long as it's only the WMF wiki
> > itself, I don't see the issue.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 6:45 PM Dennis During  wrote:
> >
> > > I am profoundly disappointed that WMF employees don't value the mission.
> > > Instead they seem to simply follow fashion and force users and volunteers
> > > to follow their fashionable methods of advocacy.  They use their monopoly
> > > power to deny free access to the world's knowledge that many thousands of
> > > volunteers have diligently assembled. This time it is to show solidarity
> > > with environmental advocates. What will it be next time?
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 15:35 Pine W  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have a few comments.
> > > >
> > > > While I appreciate the sentiment, I wouldn't have put the
> > > > wikimediafoundation.org domain "on strike", just as I wouldn't have
> > put
> > > a
> > > > government agency's website "on strike". I think that some discussion
> > of
> > > > climate change would be fine, but I think that WMF's action here is
> > > > somewhat strange.
> > > >
> > > > I think that asking about the climate impact of staff travel is fine.
> > > > However, I would also include questions about travel for Wikimedia
> > events
> > > > more broadly. I believe that the WMF Board has indicated support for
> > > trying
> > > > to reduce the Wikiverse's contributions to climate change. As has been
> > > > mentioned in this thread, WMF released a report yesterday
> > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-September/093519.html
> > > > >
> > > > on the subject of sustainability. While I have not read it, I think
> > that
> > > > measuring and attempting to reduce reduce negative environmental
> > impacts
> > > > from Wikimedia activities is good, including negative environmental
> > > impacts
> > > > from travel. However, I also think that there are some benefits to
> > morale
> > > > and communications from in person meetings, so I would be reluctant to
> > > > eliminate travel and conferences entirely.
> > > >
> > > > I think that it's fine to ask whether WMF senior management is
> > practicing
> > > > what they preach. However, Fae, I feel that your tone in this thread is
> > > > excessively harsh on this point. I think that you could ask very
> > similar
> > > > questions with a tone that is calmer.
> > > >
> > > > On the subject of environmental sustainability, my main concern at this
> > > > time is the banner on the WMF website which I feel is somewhat weird
> > and
> > > is
> > > > inconsistent with WMF's goal of being "essential infrastructure". Do we
> > > > want "essential infrastructure" to go on strike, particularly when that
> > > > infrastructure is supposed to be for an organization that provides
> > public
> > > > service and supports the community in publishing reliable scientific
> > > > information? I think not. However, I think that the banner is
> > regrettably
> > > > consistent with the series of surprising decisions from WMF in the past
> > > few
> > > > months. That is, to me, the most concerning element in all of this. If
> > > WMF
> > > > wants to be a public service infrastructure provider then I think that
> > it
> > > > should act like one.
> > > >
> > > > Pine
> > > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> > > > ___
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