Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Research Showcase] February 19, 2020: The Humans and Bots of Wikipedia and Wikidata

2020-02-18 Thread Janna Layton
Just a reminder that this Research Showcase will be happening tomorrow.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:32 PM Janna Layton  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The next Research Showcase will be live-streamed on Wednesday, February
> 19, at 9:30 AM PST/17:30 UTC. We’ll have presentations from Jeffrey V.
> Nickerson on human/machine collaboration on Wikipedia, and Lucie-Aimée
> Kaffee on human/machine collaboration on Wikidata. A question-and-answer
> session will follow.
>
> YouTube stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj0z20PuGIk
>
> As usual, you can join the conversation on IRC at #wikimedia-research. You
> can also watch our past research showcases here:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research/Showcase
>
> This month's presentations:
>
> Autonomous tools and the design of work
>
> By Jeffrey V. Nickerson, Stevens Institute of Technology
>
> Bots and other software tools that exhibit autonomy can appear in an
> organization to be more like employees than commodities. As a result,
> humans delegate to machines. Sometimes the machines turn and delegate part
> of the work back to humans. This talk will discuss how the design of human
> work is changing, drawing on a recent study of editors and bots in
> Wikipedia, as well as a study of game and chip designers. The Wikipedia bot
> ecosystem, and how bots evolve, will be discussed. Humans are working
> together with machines in complex configurations; this puts constraints on
> not only the machines but also the humans. Both software and human skills
> change as a result. Paper
> 
>
>
> When Humans and Machines Collaborate: Cross-lingual Label Editing in
> Wikidata
>
> By Lucie-Aimée Kaffee, University of Southampton
>
> The quality and maintainability of any knowledge graph are strongly
> influenced in the way it is created. In the case of Wikidata, the knowledge
> graph is created and maintained by a hybrid approach of human editing
> supported by automated tools. We analyse the editing of natural language
> data, i.e. labels. Labels are the entry point for humans to understand the
> information, and therefore need to be carefully maintained. Wikidata is a
> good example for a hybrid multilingual knowledge graph as it has a large
> and active community of humans and bots working together covering over 300
> languages. In this work, we analyse the different editor groups and how
> they interact with the different language data to understand the provenance
> of the current label data. This presentation is based on the paper “When
> Humans and Machines Collaborate: Cross-lingual Label Editing in Wikidata”,
> published in OpenSym 2019 in collaboration with Kemele M. Endris and Elena
> Simperl. Paper
> 
>
>
> --
> Janna Layton (she, her)
> Administrative Assistant - Product & Technology
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-18 Thread
Thankyou Pharos for expressing the issue so clearly.

In the last 2 days, purely as part of our Wikimedia projects, I have felt
/obliged/ to contribute to discussions on Telegram, Twitter, Facebook, Zoom
and IRC (and at least 2 other platforms in a passive way). All of these
discussion spaces are used by our community to talk about our Wikimedia
community issues or to work together in parallel to the normal and more
permanent on-wiki talk pages of Wikipedia, Commons, Meta... Honestly, I do
not see the point of spinning off a fringe Wikimedia alternate that in
practice cannot be expected to match the well tested and well-understood
capabilities of the mainstream applications.

Fae

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 20:18, Michael Peel  wrote:

>
>
> > On 18 Feb 2020, at 19:53, Pharos  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 8:49 AM Samuel Klein  wrote:
> >
> >> Phase V confirmed! -- I hope this means related features (a calendar +
> >> forum :) are getting included in mediawiki propre...
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >
> > Indeed, it has been a mistake to keep spinning off new discussion
> > platforms, in the hope that the next one will be different and
> controllable
> > and totally replace everything else. This has been an anti-pattern for a
> > decade. Far better to make a real investment (including both a social
> and a
> > technical investment) in the actual community platforms based on
> MediaWiki,
> > where many of the ideas that were developed for Space could be rather
> more
> > fruitfully applied, and the existing eforts by good people not be put to
> > waste.
>
> I completely agree - investing in the core platform the way to go. See you
> all on-wiki with everyone else?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-18 Thread Michael Peel


> On 18 Feb 2020, at 19:53, Pharos  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 8:49 AM Samuel Klein  wrote:
> 
>> Phase V confirmed! -- I hope this means related features (a calendar +
>> forum :) are getting included in mediawiki propre...
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> Indeed, it has been a mistake to keep spinning off new discussion
> platforms, in the hope that the next one will be different and controllable
> and totally replace everything else. This has been an anti-pattern for a
> decade. Far better to make a real investment (including both a social and a
> technical investment) in the actual community platforms based on MediaWiki,
> where many of the ideas that were developed for Space could be rather more
> fruitfully applied, and the existing eforts by good people not be put to
> waste.

I completely agree - investing in the core platform the way to go. See you all 
on-wiki with everyone else?

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-18 Thread Pharos
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 8:49 AM Samuel Klein  wrote:

> Phase V confirmed! -- I hope this means related features (a calendar +
> forum :) are getting included in mediawiki propre...
>
> 
>

Indeed, it has been a mistake to keep spinning off new discussion
platforms, in the hope that the next one will be different and controllable
and totally replace everything else. This has been an anti-pattern for a
decade. Far better to make a real investment (including both a social and a
technical investment) in the actual community platforms based on MediaWiki,
where many of the ideas that were developed for Space could be rather more
fruitfully applied, and the existing eforts by good people not be put to
waste.

Thanks,
Richard
(User:Pharos)


> On Tue., Feb. 18, 2020, 5:31 a.m. Quim Gil,  wrote:
>
> > Last year, the Wikimedia Foundation launched Wikimedia Space to
> experiment
> > with new ways to connect volunteers, increase movement participation, and
> > showcase community stories. While we remain committed to this important
> > goal, based on lessons learned through the Space prototype, the
> Foundation
> > has decided to close Discuss Space. The Space blog, which continues to
> fill
> > a need to share news for the movement by the movement, will continue in a
> > new home. Please continue to submit community-focused stories [1], so
> that
> > we may share them with the movement.
> >
> > To learn more about the next steps, check the full announcement at
> > https://space.wmflabs.org/2020/02/18/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/
> >
> > We have learned a lot from this initiative and want to thank all Space
> > users [2] for their time and contributions. We also invite everyone
> > interested in documenting lessons learned and discussing next steps to
> join
> > us in taking this effort even further, either at the About Wikimedia
> Space
> > category in Discuss [3] or the Space talk page in Meta [4].
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Space/Editorial_guidelines#How_to_get_started
> > [2] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/u?period=all
> > [3] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/about-wikimedia-space/2
> > [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Space
> >
> > --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-18 Thread Toni Ristovski
Thank you Quim for this unfortunate information.

This is surprise for me, as Wikimedia Space is given too little time to
evolve. I really like this idea and I remembered when people asked me on
conferences what we miss as a movement, I would say that we miss place like
*Space* where you can see what others do, to see discussion about
everything, to ask ordinary questions, to share some news, to share some
beautiful moments as editors. So, this decision for me is wrong. I don`t
know who is responsible for this, but they should ask for thoughts/opinions
of people on Space and outside of Space and then to decide this kind of
decision.

Now, we are back on looking information about what is happening in
Wiki-world on your personal will, to search across haotic Meta, to read
newsletters that is too long, or to open Facebook, which I personally avoid.

And most importantly, Space for me was a channel that I could rely when I
have some problem (especially technical), but I don`t know who is
responsible in Foundation, and I would want to ask something without
annoying hundreds people on e-mail, so I would share my issue on Space, and
someone will help. So, in conclusion, finally something good happens in
movement, and Foundation decide to ruined it and kill it on a very
beginning.

Toni
editor and admin on Macedonian Wikipedia

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 4:14 PM Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> Hello Quim,
>
> Thank you for the information. It was not quite a surprise, as we did not
> hear much of Space in the last time, and I must confess myself that I only
> used it in the iniatial phase and somewhat later. I feel sorry for those
> who invested time and energy in it.
>
> I am interested in a report later, about what worked and what did not work,
> and maybe why.
>
> Kind regards,
> Ziko
>
>
>
>
>
> Am Di., 18. Feb. 2020 um 11:31 Uhr schrieb Quim Gil :
>
> > Last year, the Wikimedia Foundation launched Wikimedia Space to
> experiment
> > with new ways to connect volunteers, increase movement participation, and
> > showcase community stories. While we remain committed to this important
> > goal, based on lessons learned through the Space prototype, the
> Foundation
> > has decided to close Discuss Space. The Space blog, which continues to
> fill
> > a need to share news for the movement by the movement, will continue in a
> > new home. Please continue to submit community-focused stories [1], so
> that
> > we may share them with the movement.
> >
> > To learn more about the next steps, check the full announcement at
> > https://space.wmflabs.org/2020/02/18/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/
> >
> > We have learned a lot from this initiative and want to thank all Space
> > users [2] for their time and contributions. We also invite everyone
> > interested in documenting lessons learned and discussing next steps to
> join
> > us in taking this effort even further, either at the About Wikimedia
> Space
> > category in Discuss [3] or the Space talk page in Meta [4].
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Space/Editorial_guidelines#How_to_get_started
> > [2] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/u?period=all
> > [3] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/about-wikimedia-space/2
> > [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Space
> >
> > --
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> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Qgil-WMF
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

2020-02-18 Thread Nicole Ebber
Hello again,

I now realised that none of the participants in the audience was aware
of us recording them, and that we aren't able to identify them to ask
for their consent. We are not going to release the full video, but are
of course happy to answer potential questions and create more clarity
where needed.

Best wishes,
Nicole

On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 11:30, Nicole Ebber  wrote:
>
> Hello Todd,
>
> Thanks for your question. The video is indeed incomplete. We cut if
> for the viewer's comfort, as the original version is ~60 mins long,
> and has questions and interaction with the audience at All Hands. Our
> main objective for this video was to focus on conveying the broad
> context and content of each recommendation in a quick and accessible
> way, without putting too much emphasis on specific recommendations or
> details.
>
> We'll look into whether the dialogues offer additional clarity. We
> might also have to identify those who have asked the questions and get
> their consent to publish. That can take a couple of days, so please
> stay tuned.
>
> Best wishes,
> Nicole
>
>
> On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 21:25, Todd Allen  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Nicole,
> >
> > The second video seems to be incomplete. There are, for example, several
> > jump cuts, e.g., at 05:07, 11:08, 17:08, 22:31, etc. At 11:14 the
> > presenters invite questions or comments, and at 41:32 someone is clearly
> > being called upon to offer one, but they are not shown in the video. Could
> > you please provide a link to the entire video without cuts, including any
> > questions or comments and the responses to them?
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:45 AM Nicole Ebber 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > We’re in week 4 of community conversations about the movement strategy
> > > recommendations. Thank you to everyone who has already taken part. The
> > > community conversations will continue until Friday, February 21 - you
> > > can get involved on Meta[1] in Arabic, English, French, German, Hindi,
> > > Spanish, and Portuguese, strategize with your community or
> > > organization, or send the core team your feedback to
> > > strategy2...@wikimedia.org.
> > >
> > > This current round of community conversations is the last opportunity
> > > to suggest improvements to the recommendations. They will be finalized
> > > before the end of March, and then published for the movement to
> > > understand them, reflect on what they mean in their project, local, or
> > > thematic context, and move into implementation.
> > >
> > > == Movement feedback: what happens next ==
> > > All feedback is being collected, reviewed and analyzed on an ongoing
> > > basis. Here are the  next steps after February 21:
> > >
> > > * Week commencing February 24: the core team will summarize all the
> > > feedback received in a report. You are welcome to continue commenting
> > > and discussing during this time, but the discussions will not be as
> > > closely facilitated and documented.
> > >
> > > * Week commencing March 2: the core team will publish the above report
> > > on Meta to give the movement an opportunity to review the content and
> > > give feedback as to whether it accurately reflects their input. The
> > > closing date for this is March 6. This summary report will then be
> > > finalized and published.
> > >
> > > In mid-March, the feedback from the Board of Trustees, movement
> > > conversations and reviewers' input will be considered in the creation
> > > of the final, improved set of recommendations. A rationale for things
> > > that have not been considered will be provided, too. Our aim is to
> > > have the recommendations finalized and published in late March. More
> > > about the actual integration work coming soon.
> > >
> > > == Video and podcast about our work; one-pager ==
> > > Members of the core team - Tanveer Hasan, Information and Knowledge
> > > Liaison, and Mehrdad Pourzaki, Information and Knowledge Manager -
> > > recently held a presentation about all the recommendations at the
> > > Wikimedia Foundation All Hands. They provide a quick, concise overview
> > > of every recommendation and also some insight into how each was
> > > developed. Video of the presentation [2] and the presentation slides
> > > [3] are now on Commons.
> > >
> > > Jan Ainali has interviewed me for his podcast Wikipedia Podden. I’m
> > > speaking with him about the past, present and future of movement
> > > strategy[4].
> > >
> > > The one-pager created by Andrew Lih (User:Fuzheado) has been very
> > > popular. Again, a big thank you to Andrew for putting this together.
> > > In addition to Arabic, English, and Hindi versions, it is now also
> > > available in Farsi [5, 6].
> > >
> > > == Meeting notes from the office hours  ==
> > > We have published a condensed summary of the meeting notes [7] from
> > > the office hours that were held by the core team on Thursday, January
> > > 30. The notes provide an overview of the key points and 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-18 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Quim,

Thank you for the information. It was not quite a surprise, as we did not
hear much of Space in the last time, and I must confess myself that I only
used it in the iniatial phase and somewhat later. I feel sorry for those
who invested time and energy in it.

I am interested in a report later, about what worked and what did not work,
and maybe why.

Kind regards,
Ziko





Am Di., 18. Feb. 2020 um 11:31 Uhr schrieb Quim Gil :

> Last year, the Wikimedia Foundation launched Wikimedia Space to experiment
> with new ways to connect volunteers, increase movement participation, and
> showcase community stories. While we remain committed to this important
> goal, based on lessons learned through the Space prototype, the Foundation
> has decided to close Discuss Space. The Space blog, which continues to fill
> a need to share news for the movement by the movement, will continue in a
> new home. Please continue to submit community-focused stories [1], so that
> we may share them with the movement.
>
> To learn more about the next steps, check the full announcement at
> https://space.wmflabs.org/2020/02/18/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/
>
> We have learned a lot from this initiative and want to thank all Space
> users [2] for their time and contributions. We also invite everyone
> interested in documenting lessons learned and discussing next steps to join
> us in taking this effort even further, either at the About Wikimedia Space
> category in Discuss [3] or the Space talk page in Meta [4].
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Space/Editorial_guidelines#How_to_get_started
> [2] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/u?period=all
> [3] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/about-wikimedia-space/2
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Space
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wiki Cemeteries User Group

2020-02-18 Thread Camelia Boban
Yes, I'm responding in my capacity of a UG co-founder, so from a personal
perspective (but also using the knowledge and experience gained during the
participation in the committee).
And no, even if on the territory are more than one UG, the topics could be
 different: someone could treat GLAM, someone else Education and so on. And
the language could be different too, not only on the same more extended
territory, but even in the same country. We have different UG based on
language, often acting on the same territory (lgbo Wikimedians UG, Hausa
Wikimedians UG and Wikimedia Nigeria UG are active in Nigeria, for example).

May WikiDonne or Wikimedia Italy say something if a cimitery UG want the
recognition in Italian language? No, because Italian is a language (spoken
in Italy, but also in Switerland, Albania, Argentina etc) not a country, so
geographical discrepancy (in Italy WMIT could have something to say). As
language coverage, WDG could say something, but cimitery is not related to
gender gap (so different topic from WDG).

(For now) At the base of the UG's recognition are also language and
topic/area of activity, not only territory. These are the models
 right
now, with the strategy direction everything could change.

Camelia



On Tue, Feb 18, 2020, 2:17 PM Isaac Olatunde 
wrote:

> You are probably responding in your personal capacity and not as an AffCom
> member. So, I am going to take this as your personal opinion. But if the
> intention is to begin to recognize country-specific or region-specific
> cemeteries, I doubt you will be able to manage the potential conflicts that
> may arise from such recognition in countries with multiple user groups
> already.
>
> Regards
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 2:05 AM Camelia Boban 
> wrote:
>
>> @Isaac Why not ?
>>
>> Camelia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno mar 18 feb 2020 alle ore 14:00 Isaac Olatunde <
>> reachout2is...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Congratulations to the founding members. @Rosie, I hope we will not begin
>>> to see country-specific cementeries like "Wiki Cemeteries User Group
>>> Nigeria", "Wiki Cementeries User Group Africa" etc for example.
>>>
>>> Regards?
>>> Isaac
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 1:47 AM Camelia Boban 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > @Ciell
>>> > As one of who joined the group, I can say it is not the charm of the
>>> > cemetery itself, but the particularities of the local culture and the
>>> > history (many of the personalities are buried, often the texts on the
>>> > funeral stones are real poems and the funeral stones themselves are
>>> > cultural heritage).
>>> > Just think to Campo Verano
>>> >  and Protestant
>>> > Cimitery 
>>> (Keats,
>>> > Shelley, Gramsci and many other) in Rome, Staglieno
>>> >  in
>>> > Genoa, Merry
>>> > Cimitery  in Săpânța
>>> > (Romania) etc.
>>> >
>>> > Camelia
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > *Camelia Boban*
>>> >
>>> > *| Java EE Developer |*
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia Foundation*
>>> > Diversity WG for Wikimedia Strategy 2030
>>> > *Interwiki Women
>>> >  |
>>> **Wiki
>>> > Loves Sport  | Wiki
>>> > Loves
>>> > Fashion *
>>> > WMIT  - WMSE
>>> >  - WMAR
>>> >  - WMCH
>>> >  Member
>>> >
>>> > M. +39 3383385545
>>> > camelia.bo...@gmail.com
>>> > *Aissa Technologies* * | *Twitter
>>> >  *|* *LinkedIn
>>> > *
>>> > *Wikipedia  **|
>>> > **WikiDonne
>>> > UG * | *WikiDonne Project
>>> >  *
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Il giorno mar 18 feb 2020 alle ore 13:27 Ciell Wikipedia <
>>> > ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>> >
>>> > > What?? There are more Wikipedians with this craaazy fascination for
>>> > > cemeteries and burial ceremonies?? 
>>> > >
>>> > > Congratulations on your recognition as a UG, and I'll surely be in
>>> touch.
>>> > >
>>> > > Best,
>>> > > Ciell
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Op di 18 feb. 2020 02:28 schreef Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight <
>>> > > rosiestep.w...@gmail.com>:
>>> > >
>>> > > > Hi everyone!
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-18 Thread Samuel Klein
Phase V confirmed! -- I hope this means related features (a calendar +
forum :) are getting included in mediawiki propre...



On Tue., Feb. 18, 2020, 5:31 a.m. Quim Gil,  wrote:

> Last year, the Wikimedia Foundation launched Wikimedia Space to experiment
> with new ways to connect volunteers, increase movement participation, and
> showcase community stories. While we remain committed to this important
> goal, based on lessons learned through the Space prototype, the Foundation
> has decided to close Discuss Space. The Space blog, which continues to fill
> a need to share news for the movement by the movement, will continue in a
> new home. Please continue to submit community-focused stories [1], so that
> we may share them with the movement.
>
> To learn more about the next steps, check the full announcement at
> https://space.wmflabs.org/2020/02/18/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/
>
> We have learned a lot from this initiative and want to thank all Space
> users [2] for their time and contributions. We also invite everyone
> interested in documenting lessons learned and discussing next steps to join
> us in taking this effort even further, either at the About Wikimedia Space
> category in Discuss [3] or the Space talk page in Meta [4].
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Space/Editorial_guidelines#How_to_get_started
> [2] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/u?period=all
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wiki Cemeteries User Group

2020-02-18 Thread Isaac Olatunde
You are probably responding in your personal capacity and not as an AffCom
member. So, I am going to take this as your personal opinion. But if the
intention is to begin to recognize country-specific or region-specific
cemeteries, I doubt you will be able to manage the potential conflicts that
may arise from such recognition in countries with multiple user groups
already.

Regards

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 2:05 AM Camelia Boban 
wrote:

> @Isaac Why not ?
>
> Camelia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Il giorno mar 18 feb 2020 alle ore 14:00 Isaac Olatunde <
> reachout2is...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Congratulations to the founding members. @Rosie, I hope we will not begin
>> to see country-specific cementeries like "Wiki Cemeteries User Group
>> Nigeria", "Wiki Cementeries User Group Africa" etc for example.
>>
>> Regards?
>> Isaac
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 1:47 AM Camelia Boban 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > @Ciell
>> > As one of who joined the group, I can say it is not the charm of the
>> > cemetery itself, but the particularities of the local culture and the
>> > history (many of the personalities are buried, often the texts on the
>> > funeral stones are real poems and the funeral stones themselves are
>> > cultural heritage).
>> > Just think to Campo Verano
>> >  and Protestant
>> > Cimitery 
>> (Keats,
>> > Shelley, Gramsci and many other) in Rome, Staglieno
>> >  in
>> > Genoa, Merry
>> > Cimitery  in Săpânța
>> > (Romania) etc.
>> >
>> > Camelia
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > *Camelia Boban*
>> >
>> > *| Java EE Developer |*
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia Foundation*
>> > Diversity WG for Wikimedia Strategy 2030
>> > *Interwiki Women
>> >  |
>> **Wiki
>> > Loves Sport  | Wiki
>> > Loves
>> > Fashion *
>> > WMIT  - WMSE
>> >  - WMAR
>> >  - WMCH
>> >  Member
>> >
>> > M. +39 3383385545
>> > camelia.bo...@gmail.com
>> > *Aissa Technologies* * | *Twitter
>> >  *|* *LinkedIn
>> > *
>> > *Wikipedia  **|
>> > **WikiDonne
>> > UG * | *WikiDonne Project
>> >  *
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Il giorno mar 18 feb 2020 alle ore 13:27 Ciell Wikipedia <
>> > ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>> >
>> > > What?? There are more Wikipedians with this craaazy fascination for
>> > > cemeteries and burial ceremonies?? 
>> > >
>> > > Congratulations on your recognition as a UG, and I'll surely be in
>> touch.
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > > Ciell
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Op di 18 feb. 2020 02:28 schreef Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight <
>> > > rosiestep.w...@gmail.com>:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi everyone!
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
>> > recognized
>> > > > [1] Wiki Cemeteries User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User Group. The
>> group
>> > > > aims to collaborate around the scope of cemeteries with existing
>> > > > Affiliates; connect with new partners and editors, especially in the
>> > > field
>> > > > of traditional genealogy; understand cultural sensitivities around
>> the
>> > > > theme of cemeteries; understand cemetery culture, including the
>> role of
>> > > > caretakers, specialty items (e.g. flags for veterans, flower
>> wreaths),
>> > > and
>> > > > so forth.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Regards,
>> > > >
>> > > > Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
>> > > >
>> > > > Chair, Affiliations Committee
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > [1]
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wiki_Cemeteries_User_Group
>> > > >
>> > > > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Cemeteries_User_Group
>> > > >
>> > > > 
>> > > >
>> > > > 
>> > > >
>> > > > 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wiki Cemeteries User Group

2020-02-18 Thread Camelia Boban
@Isaac Why not ?

Camelia














Il giorno mar 18 feb 2020 alle ore 14:00 Isaac Olatunde <
reachout2is...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Congratulations to the founding members. @Rosie, I hope we will not begin
> to see country-specific cementeries like "Wiki Cemeteries User Group
> Nigeria", "Wiki Cementeries User Group Africa" etc for example.
>
> Regards?
> Isaac
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 1:47 AM Camelia Boban 
> wrote:
>
> > @Ciell
> > As one of who joined the group, I can say it is not the charm of the
> > cemetery itself, but the particularities of the local culture and the
> > history (many of the personalities are buried, often the texts on the
> > funeral stones are real poems and the funeral stones themselves are
> > cultural heritage).
> > Just think to Campo Verano
> >  and Protestant
> > Cimitery 
> (Keats,
> > Shelley, Gramsci and many other) in Rome, Staglieno
> >  in
> > Genoa, Merry
> > Cimitery  in Săpânța
> > (Romania) etc.
> >
> > Camelia
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Camelia Boban*
> >
> > *| Java EE Developer |*
> >
> >
> >
> > *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia Foundation*
> > Diversity WG for Wikimedia Strategy 2030
> > *Interwiki Women
> >  | **Wiki
> > Loves Sport  | Wiki
> > Loves
> > Fashion *
> > WMIT  - WMSE
> >  - WMAR
> >  - WMCH
> >  Member
> >
> > M. +39 3383385545
> > camelia.bo...@gmail.com
> > *Aissa Technologies* * | *Twitter
> >  *|* *LinkedIn
> > *
> > *Wikipedia  **|
> > **WikiDonne
> > UG * | *WikiDonne Project
> >  *
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Il giorno mar 18 feb 2020 alle ore 13:27 Ciell Wikipedia <
> > ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> >
> > > What?? There are more Wikipedians with this craaazy fascination for
> > > cemeteries and burial ceremonies?? 
> > >
> > > Congratulations on your recognition as a UG, and I'll surely be in
> touch.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Ciell
> > >
> > >
> > > Op di 18 feb. 2020 02:28 schreef Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight <
> > > rosiestep.w...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
> > recognized
> > > > [1] Wiki Cemeteries User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User Group. The
> group
> > > > aims to collaborate around the scope of cemeteries with existing
> > > > Affiliates; connect with new partners and editors, especially in the
> > > field
> > > > of traditional genealogy; understand cultural sensitivities around
> the
> > > > theme of cemeteries; understand cemetery culture, including the role
> of
> > > > caretakers, specialty items (e.g. flags for veterans, flower
> wreaths),
> > > and
> > > > so forth.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wiki_Cemeteries_User_Group
> > > >
> > > > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Cemeteries_User_Group
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wiki Cemeteries User Group

2020-02-18 Thread Isaac Olatunde
Congratulations to the founding members. @Rosie, I hope we will not begin
to see country-specific cementeries like "Wiki Cemeteries User Group
Nigeria", "Wiki Cementeries User Group Africa" etc for example.

Regards?
Isaac

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 1:47 AM Camelia Boban 
wrote:

> @Ciell
> As one of who joined the group, I can say it is not the charm of the
> cemetery itself, but the particularities of the local culture and the
> history (many of the personalities are buried, often the texts on the
> funeral stones are real poems and the funeral stones themselves are
> cultural heritage).
> Just think to Campo Verano
>  and Protestant
> Cimitery  (Keats,
> Shelley, Gramsci and many other) in Rome, Staglieno
>  in
> Genoa, Merry
> Cimitery  in Săpânța
> (Romania) etc.
>
> Camelia
>
>
> --
> *Camelia Boban*
>
> *| Java EE Developer |*
>
>
>
> *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia Foundation*
> Diversity WG for Wikimedia Strategy 2030
> *Interwiki Women
>  | **Wiki
> Loves Sport  | Wiki
> Loves
> Fashion *
> WMIT  - WMSE
>  - WMAR
>  - WMCH
>  Member
>
> M. +39 3383385545
> camelia.bo...@gmail.com
> *Aissa Technologies* * | *Twitter
>  *|* *LinkedIn
> *
> *Wikipedia  **|
> **WikiDonne
> UG * | *WikiDonne Project
>  *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Il giorno mar 18 feb 2020 alle ore 13:27 Ciell Wikipedia <
> ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> > What?? There are more Wikipedians with this craaazy fascination for
> > cemeteries and burial ceremonies?? 
> >
> > Congratulations on your recognition as a UG, and I'll surely be in touch.
> >
> > Best,
> > Ciell
> >
> >
> > Op di 18 feb. 2020 02:28 schreef Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight <
> > rosiestep.w...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > Hi everyone!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
> recognized
> > > [1] Wiki Cemeteries User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group
> > > aims to collaborate around the scope of cemeteries with existing
> > > Affiliates; connect with new partners and editors, especially in the
> > field
> > > of traditional genealogy; understand cultural sensitivities around the
> > > theme of cemeteries; understand cemetery culture, including the role of
> > > caretakers, specialty items (e.g. flags for veterans, flower wreaths),
> > and
> > > so forth.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
> > >
> > > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wiki_Cemeteries_User_Group
> > >
> > > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Cemeteries_User_Group
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > 
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wiki Cemeteries User Group

2020-02-18 Thread Camelia Boban
@Ciell
As one of who joined the group, I can say it is not the charm of the
cemetery itself, but the particularities of the local culture and the
history (many of the personalities are buried, often the texts on the
funeral stones are real poems and the funeral stones themselves are
cultural heritage).
Just think to Campo Verano
 and Protestant
Cimitery  (Keats,
Shelley, Gramsci and many other) in Rome, Staglieno
 in
Genoa, Merry
Cimitery  in Săpânța
(Romania) etc.

Camelia


--
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*| Java EE Developer |*



*Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia Foundation*
Diversity WG for Wikimedia Strategy 2030
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Loves Sport  | Wiki Loves
Fashion *
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Il giorno mar 18 feb 2020 alle ore 13:27 Ciell Wikipedia <
ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> What?? There are more Wikipedians with this craaazy fascination for
> cemeteries and burial ceremonies?? 
>
> Congratulations on your recognition as a UG, and I'll surely be in touch.
>
> Best,
> Ciell
>
>
> Op di 18 feb. 2020 02:28 schreef Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight <
> rosiestep.w...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> > [1] Wiki Cemeteries User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group
> > aims to collaborate around the scope of cemeteries with existing
> > Affiliates; connect with new partners and editors, especially in the
> field
> > of traditional genealogy; understand cultural sensitivities around the
> > theme of cemeteries; understand cemetery culture, including the role of
> > caretakers, specialty items (e.g. flags for veterans, flower wreaths),
> and
> > so forth.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
> >
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> >
> >
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wiki_Cemeteries_User_Group
> >
> > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Cemeteries_User_Group
> >
> > 
> >
> > 
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand

2020-02-18 Thread Joy Agyepong
Welcome and congratulations to all new members!


Best,
Joy

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, 12:24 Ciell Wikipedia, 
wrote:

> This is super!
> Congratulations to all involved, and I hope you'll be able to expand your
> activities towards your goal in becoming one of our new chapters.
>
> Toitoitoi!
>
> Kia Ora,
> Ciell
>
> Op di 18 feb. 2020 02:28 schreef Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight <
> rosiestep.w...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> > [1] Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand [2] as a Wikimedia User
> > Group. The group aims to represent the Wikimedia Foundation’s mission in
> > New Zealand: to empower and engage people to collect and develop
> > educational content under a free license, so it can be shared and reused
> > freely for any purpose.
> >
> >
> > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
> >
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> >
> >
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wikimedia_User_Group_of_Aotearoa_New_Zealand#Liaison%27s_Signature
> >
> > [2]
> >
> >
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> >  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wiki Cemeteries User Group

2020-02-18 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
What?? There are more Wikipedians with this craaazy fascination for
cemeteries and burial ceremonies?? 

Congratulations on your recognition as a UG, and I'll surely be in touch.

Best,
Ciell


Op di 18 feb. 2020 02:28 schreef Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight <
rosiestep.w...@gmail.com>:

> Hi everyone!
>
>
>
> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> [1] Wiki Cemeteries User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group
> aims to collaborate around the scope of cemeteries with existing
> Affiliates; connect with new partners and editors, especially in the field
> of traditional genealogy; understand cultural sensitivities around the
> theme of cemeteries; understand cemetery culture, including the role of
> caretakers, specialty items (e.g. flags for veterans, flower wreaths), and
> so forth.
>
>
>
> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
>
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
>
>
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wiki_Cemeteries_User_Group
>
> [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Cemeteries_User_Group
>
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand

2020-02-18 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
This is super!
Congratulations to all involved, and I hope you'll be able to expand your
activities towards your goal in becoming one of our new chapters.

Toitoitoi!

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Op di 18 feb. 2020 02:28 schreef Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight <
rosiestep.w...@gmail.com>:

> Hi everyone!
>
>
>
> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> [1] Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand [2] as a Wikimedia User
> Group. The group aims to represent the Wikimedia Foundation’s mission in
> New Zealand: to empower and engage people to collect and develop
> educational content under a free license, so it can be shared and reused
> freely for any purpose.
>
>
> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
>
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
>
>
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wikimedia_User_Group_of_Aotearoa_New_Zealand#Liaison%27s_Signature
>
> [2]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_User_Group_of_Aotearoa_New_Zealand
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-18 Thread Camelia Boban
Hi Quim and Paulo,

Like anything we lose as a movement (see also Wikipedia Zero), I am very
sorry for this decision, for those who worked and for those who were
comfortable with the platform.
I was not, as I am not with Phabricator (despite being a developer). It's a
matter of habits and preferences, of course, so my opinion has the same
value as someone else who loves them.
I don't really know the whole situation (expenses, number of users etc),
but I think we shouldn't have the same philosophy as Google, which lets go
of products that - not only from a commercial point of view, but in terms
of use - they didn't have the turnout expected.
We are different and I may be sentimental, but I expect that we keep the
projects standing even if we have only one user.

Camelia


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Il giorno mar 18 feb 2020 alle ore 11:44 Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulospern...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Hello Quim,
>
> I knew this was a possibility, but it still is a big surprise for me that
> the WMF has not recognized the enormous value and potential of Wikimedia
> Space, which was a space incredibly more friendlier and easier to use than
> anything I've ever seen onwiki. As we discussed last November in
> WikiIndaba, it only needed to be somehow connected to the Wikimedia
> Projects, so that we could get the notifications there - as a standalone
> project it's very difficult to follow, since apart from real life we have
> mail, social networks, chats - and the wikimedia projects constantly
> draining attention and competing for time.
>
> But... All the investment, all the information shared there, will be lost?
>
> I suspect that after this last debacle of Wikimedia Space, it will be
> considerably more difficult for people to embark in more new WMF
> adventures. It was already difficult with this one.
>
> Bad decisions at top level -> lots of money wasted, valuable WMF staff time
> and expertise wasted... and a lot of volunteer time and expertise, and
> community goodwill burned for nothing, like if we have plenty of that.
>
> Best,
> Paulo
>
> Quim Gil  escreveu no dia terça, 18/02/2020 à(s)
> 10:31:
>
> > Last year, the Wikimedia Foundation launched Wikimedia Space to
> experiment
> > with new ways to connect volunteers, increase movement participation, and
> > showcase community stories. While we remain committed to this important
> > goal, based on lessons learned through the Space prototype, the
> Foundation
> > has decided to close Discuss Space. The Space blog, which continues to
> fill
> > a need to share news for the movement by the movement, will continue in a
> > new home. Please continue to submit community-focused stories [1], so
> that
> > we may share them with the movement.
> >
> > To learn more about the next steps, check the full announcement at
> > https://space.wmflabs.org/2020/02/18/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/
> >
> > We have learned a lot from this initiative and want to thank all Space
> > users [2] for their time and contributions. We also invite everyone
> > interested in documenting lessons learned and discussing next steps to
> join
> > us in taking this effort even further, either at the About Wikimedia
> Space
> > category in Discuss [3] or the Space talk page in Meta [4].
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Space/Editorial_guidelines#How_to_get_started
> > [2] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/u?period=all
> > [3] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/about-wikimedia-space/2
> > [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Space
> >
> > --
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> > Senior Manager of Community Relations @ Wikimedia Foundation
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Qgil-WMF
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Les sans pagEs User Group

2020-02-18 Thread GERBET Remy via Wikimedia-l
Congratulations to this wonderfull group :) 

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Le 2020-02-18 07:41, Camelia Boban a écrit :

> Happy
for this.
> Congratulations to the group members ❤.
> 
> Camelia
> 
>
--
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> 
> *| Java EE Developer |*
> 
> *Affiliations
Committee - **Wikimedia Foundation*
> Diversity WG for Wikimedia
Strategy 2030
> *Interwiki Women
>
 |
**Wiki
> Loves Sport 
| Wiki Loves
> Fashion
*
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 - WMSE
>
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>
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>
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> 
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> 
> Il giorno mar
18 feb 2020 alle ore 02:33 Lucas Werkmeister <
>
m...@lucaswerkmeister.de> ha scritto:
> 
>> That sounds great,
congratulations to the group and all the best for
>> your future
work!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Lucas
>> 
>> On 17.02.20 20:05, Rosie
Stephenson-Goodknight wrote:
>>> Hi everyone!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm very
happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
>>> [1]
Les sans pagEs [2] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group aims to be a
>>>
community effort and an association for users who work on issues
related
>> to
>>> women and gender issues and more generally to
diversity (territorial,
>>> cultural, linguistic, generational, gender,
attitudinal and ability,
>> etc.)
>>> within the French speaking
wikimedia movement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please join me in congratulating the
members of this new user group!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Rosie
Stephenson-Goodknight
>>>
>>> Chair, Affiliations
Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>>
>>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Les_sans_pagEs_User_Group
>>>
>>>
[2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Les_sans_pagEs
>>>
>>>

>>>
>>>

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-18 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello Quim,

I knew this was a possibility, but it still is a big surprise for me that
the WMF has not recognized the enormous value and potential of Wikimedia
Space, which was a space incredibly more friendlier and easier to use than
anything I've ever seen onwiki. As we discussed last November in
WikiIndaba, it only needed to be somehow connected to the Wikimedia
Projects, so that we could get the notifications there - as a standalone
project it's very difficult to follow, since apart from real life we have
mail, social networks, chats - and the wikimedia projects constantly
draining attention and competing for time.

But... All the investment, all the information shared there, will be lost?

I suspect that after this last debacle of Wikimedia Space, it will be
considerably more difficult for people to embark in more new WMF
adventures. It was already difficult with this one.

Bad decisions at top level -> lots of money wasted, valuable WMF staff time
and expertise wasted... and a lot of volunteer time and expertise, and
community goodwill burned for nothing, like if we have plenty of that.

Best,
Paulo

Quim Gil  escreveu no dia terça, 18/02/2020 à(s) 10:31:

> Last year, the Wikimedia Foundation launched Wikimedia Space to experiment
> with new ways to connect volunteers, increase movement participation, and
> showcase community stories. While we remain committed to this important
> goal, based on lessons learned through the Space prototype, the Foundation
> has decided to close Discuss Space. The Space blog, which continues to fill
> a need to share news for the movement by the movement, will continue in a
> new home. Please continue to submit community-focused stories [1], so that
> we may share them with the movement.
>
> To learn more about the next steps, check the full announcement at
> https://space.wmflabs.org/2020/02/18/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/
>
> We have learned a lot from this initiative and want to thank all Space
> users [2] for their time and contributions. We also invite everyone
> interested in documenting lessons learned and discussing next steps to join
> us in taking this effort even further, either at the About Wikimedia Space
> category in Discuss [3] or the Space talk page in Meta [4].
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Space/Editorial_guidelines#How_to_get_started
> [2] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/u?period=all
> [3] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/about-wikimedia-space/2
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Space
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[Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-18 Thread Quim Gil
Last year, the Wikimedia Foundation launched Wikimedia Space to experiment
with new ways to connect volunteers, increase movement participation, and
showcase community stories. While we remain committed to this important
goal, based on lessons learned through the Space prototype, the Foundation
has decided to close Discuss Space. The Space blog, which continues to fill
a need to share news for the movement by the movement, will continue in a
new home. Please continue to submit community-focused stories [1], so that
we may share them with the movement.

To learn more about the next steps, check the full announcement at
https://space.wmflabs.org/2020/02/18/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/

We have learned a lot from this initiative and want to thank all Space
users [2] for their time and contributions. We also invite everyone
interested in documenting lessons learned and discussing next steps to join
us in taking this effort even further, either at the About Wikimedia Space
category in Discuss [3] or the Space talk page in Meta [4].

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Space/Editorial_guidelines#How_to_get_started
[2] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/u?period=all
[3] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/about-wikimedia-space/2
[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Space

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