Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Scholarship for 2020 Wikimania now open

2020-02-19 Thread effe iets anders
For clarification, from the website: * Deadline for applying for scholarships: *17 March 2020* 23:59 UTC-12:00 * Apply here: https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_81GOJ9AFVdPHZgp and frequently asked questions:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-19 Thread Samuel Klein
It would be nice to have a tool for long standing editors to clean up a newbies talk page for them, leave messages for the overeager templaters, and help them out / welcome them in untemolsted language. Then a little ML could go a long way in guessing which newbies are in this situation and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-19 Thread Risker
I do think that there are benefits in continuing to explore WMF/movement-managed communication tools outside of the onwiki/IRC/mailing list paradigm; we have long known that a lot of voices are excluded from using these channels, and that is not helpful in growing a large, international,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-19 Thread Rebecca O'Neill
I've been involved in the movement for ~7 years, took one look at IRC and walked very quickly the other way, having used it 15+ years ago. I'm all for retro, but that was taking it too far. Relying on a tool that has been been haemorrhaging users for years, and golden years are seen as around 20

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-19 Thread Todd Allen
Then, they're welcome to pop on in any time. If they choose not to, well, no one can make them. Anyone is able to use those tools. Todd On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 3:32 PM Guillaume Paumier wrote: > Hi, > > Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 10:31, Todd Allen a écrit : > > > I don't think anyone had bad

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-19 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 10:31, Todd Allen a écrit : > I don't think anyone had bad intentions. It was just redundant. > > Real time communication is on IRC. Asynchronous communication is either on > the wiki, preferably, or on the mailing list. > > Quit trying to make us TwitFaceTube. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-19 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 7:31 PM Todd Allen wrote: > > Quit trying to make us TwitFaceTube. The tools we already have work just > fine. > Apparently not if people go there en masse instead of using on-wiki channels. Yaroslav > > Todd > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 10:41 AM Yaroslav Blanter wrote:

[Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-19 Thread Andy Mabbett
I have just come across a case on en.Wikipedia where the daughter of an article subject added details of his funeral (his death in 1984,w as already recorded) and his view about an indent in his life. Her six sequential edits - her first and only contribution to Wikipedia - totalled 1254

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Project Grant Proposal on *Disinformation*

2020-02-19 Thread Jake Orlowitz
Hi all, I'm proposing a Wikimedia Foundation Project Grant to study *disinformation* and provide actionable insights and recommendations. Please check it out and endorse it if you support it.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

2020-02-19 Thread Todd Allen
I don't like those either. I tend to ignore email unless there's a very good reason for private communication. If not, well, post a message on my talk page. The recording is incomplete. A complete recording would be the raw video of the session without cuts or edits, and with everyone there aware

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

2020-02-19 Thread Aron Manning
Hi Todd, I'm not sure how your comment about "backchanneling" is applicable to a recording made in public. Please express your views in a good-faith and respectful manner. On Wikimedia projects, we do things in full public view. To prove your point, please link to the log of the irc channels

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-19 Thread Todd Allen
I don't think anyone had bad intentions. It was just redundant. Real time communication is on IRC. Asynchronous communication is either on the wiki, preferably, or on the mailing list. Quit trying to make us TwitFaceTube. The tools we already have work just fine. Todd On Wed, Feb 19, 2020,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

2020-02-19 Thread Todd Allen
Nicole, While I appreciate you taking the time to respond, this is exactly why we distrust this kind of backchanneling. If you have something to say, you say it publicly, open to criticism and dispute. You don't say it in a "salon" or a "survey" or anything else insulated from that. On Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-19 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
I provided feedback previously on Space earlier and I could not find it now but I assume it was taken into consideration when the decision was taken. Without repeating it, let me remark that the two main questions, which remained unsolved, were (i) what is the target audience and (ii) what is the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Research Showcase] February 19, 2020: The Humans and Bots of Wikipedia and Wikidata

2020-02-19 Thread Janna Layton
The Research Showcase will be starting in about 30 minutes! Details below. On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 1:32 PM Janna Layton wrote: > Hi all, > > The next Research Showcase will be live-streamed on Wednesday, February > 19, at 9:30 AM PST/17:30 UTC. We’ll have presentations from Jeffrey V. >

[Wikimedia-l] soweego 2 proposal

2020-02-19 Thread Marco Fossati
[You can safely skip this message if you have already seen it in the Wikidata mailing list, and pardon for the spam] Hi everyone, --- TL;DR: soweego 2 is on its way. Here's the Project Grant proposal:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-19 Thread Quim Gil
Thank you for all the feedback. After scanning different channels, we have a wide range of opinions which reflect how deep and complex the problem of cross-wiki collaboration is, and also how differently the Space prototype and this decision is being perceived. We will process this feedback and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-19 Thread James Salsman
> ... it has been a mistake to keep spinning off new discussion > platforms, in the hope that the next one will be different and controllable > and totally replace everything else. This has been an anti-pattern for a > decade. Far better to make a real investment (including both a social and a >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Les sans pagEs User Group

2020-02-19 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Thank you for this announcement! And to all the wonderful people, contributors and organisations (Wikimedia France, Wikimedia CH and the WMF) who have helped us achieve this goal. A special thanks to Anthere who did all the preliminary work to achieve this. With wiki love Nattes à chat > Le