Some established users have the habit of reverting every edit by IPs and newbies in the articles they watch - often with the special reversion tool - no mater the content and value of the edition. That is a very consistent behavior I've been observing over more than one decade at the Wikipedia in Portuguese, and the newbie edit only stays if another established user notices the reversion, and reverts it back. Meaning: One established user has to risk potential conflict with those other established users to reinstate the newbie edition - with the result that many simply staying away from that and leaving the IP/Newbie to its fate.
It's against the community rules, but pretty much nobody seems to care - meaning: it's not really against the will of the community. The general result is a very poor experience for everyone using IPs; and slightly better (or less bad) for registered newbies, but still quite hostile. Best, Paulo Martijn Hoekstra <martijnhoeks...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia quinta, 27/02/2020 à(s) 16:41: > As a quick/rough data point I don't frequently edit wikipedia anymore, and > when I do I never log in. > > About 2/3 edits no further interactions happen. About 10% gets reverted, > about 10% of the time I get a warning and the last 10% I get a welcome > template. > > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 15:52 Marshall Miller <marshall.h.mil...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Thanks for mentioning the WMF Growth team [1], Pine. This is a really > > interesting thread that has touched on much of what the team has been > > working on alongside the Czech, Korean, Arabic, and Vietnamese Wikipedia > > communities (and with the advice of people from many different > communities > > along the way). > > > > We've tried to base our approach in research on newcomers, which taught > us > > that newcomers face three main types of challenges: technical, > conceptual, > > and cultural [2]. For instance, the research tells us that the rules of > > the wiki are hard to learn, and that a negative first interaction can > cause > > a newcomer to leave the wiki and not return -- but that a positive > > interaction, such as getting advice from a friendly editor, can cause > them > > to stay. > > > > Over the last year and a half, we have experimented on mid-size > Wikipedias > > with features that promote good communication between new and experienced > > users [3], that help newcomers teach themselves [4], and that give > > newcomers easy tasks to do [5]. The goal is to build an experience for > > newcomers that helps them get on a positive track in their first days on > > the wiki, and want to stick around to join their communities. It's > > possible that what we've learned and built so far will apply differently > to > > the largest Wikipedias. > > > > I hope that anyone who is interested in newcomers can tell us about their > > own experiences and ideas on our team's discussion page [6], or on the > > discussion pages of any of our projects. It's very important to us that > > the things we build fit in with how communities work today. Over the > next > > year, we're planning to expand the Growth features to more wikis, so we > > definitely want to talk to people who think the features might be a good > > fit for their wikis. > > > > To keep informed about the Growth team, please subscribe to our > newsletter > > [7]. > > > > [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth > > [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/New_Editor_Experiences > > [3] > > > > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth/Personalized_first_day/Newcomer_homepage#Mentorship_module > > [4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth/Focus_on_help_desk > > [5] > > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth/Personalized_first_day/Newcomer_tasks > > [6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Growth > > [7] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth/Newsletters > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:07 AM Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Not really, drawing practical advices/lessons (e.g. "differentiate > among > > > kinds of COIs") is the only sensible path towards solving issues. > > > "Let's be kind" is close to a tautology. > > > > > > Vito > > > > > > Il giorno mer 26 feb 2020 alle ore 09:59 Andy Mabbett < > > > a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> ha scritto: > > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 20:36, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hard to tell anything without the relevant link(s). > > > > > > > > For you, maybe. Others have already given helpful replies. > > > > > > > > My question was generic, and not about the specific case I gave as an > > > > example. > > > > > > > > I chose not to post links to to the example, both in order to avoid a > > > > pile-on, and to avoid us being distracted by the minutiae of the > > > > incident concerned. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Andy Mabbett > > > > @pigsonthewing > > > > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > -- > > Marshall Miller > > marshall.h.mil...@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
