Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-25 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya From my perspective we have always been political, from the moment we started with the concept of Free Knowledge, Eduardo listed many of the aspects that go with it. We are doing so much more we want anyone/everyone to contribute regardless of social standing, we spend millions on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-25 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi, There isn't such a thing as just one politics, therefore, the subject line question is really broad. We are not apolitical about free knowledge, no doubt about that. On the other hand, we as a movement can be or become apolitical in other political fields. All this discussion, in my opinion,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-25 Thread Tito Dutta
Greetings, It is asked: "are we apolitical?" A spin-off question: "are we unbiased?" On Wikipedia, we (are to) provide and serve knowledge/information, not any particular view(s) Thanks Tito Dutta On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 00:34, Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Meet

2020-04-25 Thread Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
I told so many times WMF should support infrastructure for the volunteers, so thank you very much for this step in that direction. A.M. Il domenica 26 aprile 2020, 01:08:01 CEST, Tito Dutta ha scritto: Hello, That's super great news. I definitely want to try it. Thanks a lot for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Meet

2020-04-25 Thread Tito Dutta
Hello, That's super great news. I definitely want to try it. Thanks a lot for working on this. Thanks Tito Dutta Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind me over email or phone call. On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 01:57, Amir Sarabadani wrote: > Hey, > "Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Meet

2020-04-25 Thread Amir Sarabadani
I proofread the email several times and still managed to miss an important point: This installation is not large and currently, it wouldn't be able to handle 100 people. It worked fine with 10 people in a meeting but not much more than that. So please be mindful in using this resource. On Sat,

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Meet

2020-04-25 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hey, "Wikimedia Meet" [0] (https://meet.wmcloud.org), is a project in Wikimedia CloudVPS for Wikimedians to meet virtually instead of using commercial services like Zoom which might have security and privacy implications [1][2]. Currently it's a jitsi (jitsi.org) installation. If you want to just

[Wikimedia-l] US passport issuance and immigration suspended

2020-04-25 Thread Bill Takatoshi
I have been waiting for more than three years for the WMF to settle the question (below) of whether our long-term editor community supports political activism, and if so, what sort, by surveying the opinions of established editors. I was promised that the WMF would include such questions in their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-25 Thread Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l
Agreed. There is no way to get around the fact that some people oppose our message of free access to our projects for everyone, and the actions we make in favor of that goal are often political. However, there is a very large gap between publicly supporting such policies as a less regulated

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 at 16:44, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 07:27, Yair Rand wrote: > > > Also importantly, the Foundation's Policy and Political Association > > Guideline, which was written by WMF Legal in the aftermath of SOPA > > Link, please. A link has been provided,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-25 Thread Camelia Boban
Absolutely agree with both. Everything we do in the wiki movement (as everything we do in our whole life) has (also) a political meaning. As we have certain goals and we take certain positions. Camelia -- *Camelia Boban* *| Java EE Developer |* *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-25 Thread Rebecca O'Neill
Well said. Everything is political, and when the movement choses not to speak out or state an opinion on something, then we are giving our support to the status quo. Believing yourself to be apolitical is as much a fantasy as being completely objective, it is inherently impossible. Rebecca On

[Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-25 Thread John Erling Blad
It is said quite often that the Wikimedia-movement is apolitical. In strongly believe the movement with its goal has never been, and never will be apolitical. When we say that knowledge should be free and fully available for everyone, then we make a political statement. It may not align with you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 07:27, Yair Rand wrote: > Also importantly, the Foundation's Policy and Political Association > Guideline, which was written by WMF Legal in the aftermath of SOPA Link, please. -- Andy Mabbett@pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread John Erling Blad
Can everyone please calm down. This is (nearly) only hyperbole. Thank you. /jeblad On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:51 AM Fæ wrote: > OPEN LETTER > > Dear Katherine Maher, > > The WMF home website landing page (https://wikimediafoundation.org) > yesterday featured a full-page banner directing all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread James Salsman
> the Foundation's Policy and Political Association Guideline, which > was written by WMF Legal in the aftermath of SOPA to iron > out clear boundaries on activism, explicitly rules out any political > activism relating to environmental issues, stating: >> Policy and political associations should

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 10:54 AM Mario Gómez wrote: > As far as I know, criticism of political lobbying by the WMF is generally > frowned upon here. Including aspersion casting against critics. > Um, what? As a (volunteer) list administrator of this mailing list, and indeed a (paid) Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread
Thanks to Greg for the quick official response from the WMF which includes the active recognition and acceptance of the problem. The open letter was also published on meta at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_website#Website_full_page_banner_promoting_EarthdayLive2020.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread Mario Gómez
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:51 AM Fæ wrote: > > Could you, or the responsible member of your management team, please > explain exactly how this happened? > > As far as I know, criticism of political lobbying by the WMF is generally frowned upon here. Including aspersion casting against critics. I