Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

[Dan Szymborski]

Question about the timeline: will the community's opinions be ignored at
the July or at the August meeting? Or is this considered a continual
process? This information would help people with their planning.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 8:37 PM Zack McCune  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> We want to confirm that the Brand Project team has been directed by the
> Board to develop new branding options and to evaluate those options with
> communities. We invite your perspectives.
>
> We are asking that you continue to participate in the process which
> includes completing the survey, available in 7 languages.[1] Your
> participation in this survey will not be calculated as support for a
> change.
>
> We have been alerted to the Community open letter on renaming. We will take
> that information into the process.
>
> The Board will consider all the options, including the option to do
> nothing, and make a decision at their August meeting.
>
>-
>
>Zack & the Brand Project team
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Naming_convention_proposals
>
>
> On Friday, June 26, 2020, Tito Dutta  wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> > The timeline is pretty clear. Glad to know about the special board
> meeting
> > in early July. Other than the open letter there was a straw poll also:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_
> > brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Community_feedback_and_straw_poll
> > The early July briefing, I hope that will be presenting all the aspects
> and
> > opinions.
> >
> > Thanks
> > User:Titodutta
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 at 04:57, Nataliia Tymkiv 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I want to share with you the next steps of the Wikimedia Foundation
> Board
> > > of Trustees about the Brand Project.
> > >
> > > Originally the Board meeting dedicated to the brand project was
> supposed
> > to
> > > happen no earlier than October. The expected outcome from the project
> > were
> > > the recommendations on what the rebranding should look like - from
> > changing
> > > fonts/logos to renaming. And if there is going to be a renaming - to
> > what.
> > > Of course, the Board’s role is not in approving a change in fonts, but
> > if a
> > > recommendation to rename was to be made - the Board’s role would have
> > been
> > > to make a decision on that recommendation. The timeline has now been
> > > changed, and the renaming part of rebranding will be discussed in our
> > > August meeting.
> > >
> > > Moreover, the Board will meet in early July to receive a briefing about
> > the
> > > project and talk about the process between June 2018 - June 2020. The
> > > consolidated materials on what the brand project team has been working
> on
> > > for a while now will be presented to the Board, and these materials are
> > > also going to be posted publicly. The more-strategic conversation is
> > > planned for the August meeting. Time to prepare the materials is
> needed,
> > > and the ongoing conversations need to be summarised, so the Board can
> > have
> > > an in-depth discussion about this, before making any kind of decision.
> > >
> > > We would like to continue with the survey [1] - we have discussed the
> > > possibility of technical changes to the survey with an additional
> option
> > > like “no renaming is needed” (not the exact words, mind you), but with
> > more
> > > than 700 respondents it is not methodologically sound to change the
> > survey
> > > now. Staff have confirmed to the Board that responses to the survey
> will
> > > not be calculated as support for a change. The survey was only designed
> > to
> > > collect feedback on the possible renaming options, not as a yes/no vote
> > on
> > > whether to adopt them.
> > >
> > > Thus the timeline on rebranding for the next 6-7 weeks is as follows:
> > >
> > > * Early July - special Board meeting with the Brand project team to
> > review
> > > and discuss the process so far, and for the Board members to receive
> the
> > > briefing on discussions happening;
> > >
> > > * July - consolidated materials prepared for the July meeting will be
> > > posted publicly after the meeting;
> > >
> > > * August 5th - the Board meeting on renaming part of the rebranding,
> not
> > > about the process. The Board will make the decision about whether to
> > stop,
> > > pause, or continue the work on this, within the framework of a
> discussion
> > > on strategic goals, tensions and tradeoffs, and potential next steps.
> > >
> > > * August (after the meeting) - the Board statement on the next steps
> > about
> > > the Brand project.
> > >
> > > I also want to acknowledge receiving the Community open letter on
> > renaming
> > > [2] that was posted this week. Thank you for this statement on the
> > position
> > > of those of you who signed. I know there are other perspectives, and
> that
> > > some would agree with it who have not signed it, and that there are
> also
> > > some who 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

[Dan Szymborski]

A survey in which the board's decision cannot possibly be disputed sounds
like a perfect fit rather than an unfit one.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:35 AM Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> It is not methodologically sound to continue using a survey which is unfit
> for purpose, regardless of how many people have responded. It is ethically
> questionable to continue using a survey which simply does not allow for the
> possibility of being completely wrong when this possibility has been
> brought up so many times by so many interested and affected parties.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Nataliia Tymkiv
> Sent: 27 June 2020 01:27
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps
>
> Dear all,
>
> I want to share with you the next steps of the Wikimedia Foundation Board
> of Trustees about the Brand Project.
>
> Originally the Board meeting dedicated to the brand project was supposed to
> happen no earlier than October. The expected outcome from the project were
> the recommendations on what the rebranding should look like - from changing
> fonts/logos to renaming. And if there is going to be a renaming - to what.
> Of course, the Board’s role is not in approving a change in fonts, but if a
> recommendation to rename was to be made - the Board’s role would have been
> to make a decision on that recommendation. The timeline has now been
> changed, and the renaming part of rebranding will be discussed in our
> August meeting.
>
> Moreover, the Board will meet in early July to receive a briefing about the
> project and talk about the process between June 2018 - June 2020. The
> consolidated materials on what the brand project team has been working on
> for a while now will be presented to the Board, and these materials are
> also going to be posted publicly. The more-strategic conversation is
> planned for the August meeting. Time to prepare the materials is needed,
> and the ongoing conversations need to be summarised, so the Board can have
> an in-depth discussion about this, before making any kind of decision.
>
> We would like to continue with the survey [1] - we have discussed the
> possibility of technical changes to the survey with an additional option
> like “no renaming is needed” (not the exact words, mind you), but with more
> than 700 respondents it is not methodologically sound to change the survey
> now. Staff have confirmed to the Board that responses to the survey will
> not be calculated as support for a change. The survey was only designed to
> collect feedback on the possible renaming options, not as a yes/no vote on
> whether to adopt them.
>
> Thus the timeline on rebranding for the next 6-7 weeks is as follows:
>
> * Early July - special Board meeting with the Brand project team to review
> and discuss the process so far, and for the Board members to receive the
> briefing on discussions happening;
>
> * July - consolidated materials prepared for the July meeting will be
> posted publicly after the meeting;
>
> * August 5th - the Board meeting on renaming part of the rebranding, not
> about the process. The Board will make the decision about whether to stop,
> pause, or continue the work on this, within the framework of a discussion
> on strategic goals, tensions and tradeoffs, and potential next steps.
>
> * August (after the meeting) - the Board statement on the next steps about
> the Brand project.
>
> I also want to acknowledge receiving the Community open letter on renaming
> [2] that was posted this week. Thank you for this statement on the position
> of those of you who signed. I know there are other perspectives, and that
> some would agree with it who have not signed it, and that there are also
> some who would not agree. We expect that the Board meetings and
> communication after them will address the concerns raised in the letter.
>
> Stay safe,
> antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv
> Acting Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
>
> [1] https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9G2dN7P0T7gPqpD
>
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_open_letter_on_renaming
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

[WereSpielChequers]

Dear Natalia,

I wouldn't say that it was a badly designed survey, more that it was a
survey designed to constrain responses to three specific options. The
problem is with the choice of those options and that the survey seems to be
designed to push the community into a particular direction, rather than
find out what direction if any the community wanted to go in.

"No name change is necessary" is not the only missing option. I'm sure I am
not the only person who accepts that Wikipedia and Wikimedia are
sufficiently similar that it causes confusion, or who knows that some
people assume that we are connected to WikiLeaks. Changing the name of the
WMF to something that is a suitable parent for all the projects, not just
Wikipedia, and that reduces confusion with WikiLeaks should be a relatively
harmless thing for the WMF to do. There are only a limited number of
projects that the WMF can take on at any time, and this wouldn't have been
my priority. But if you are going to rebrand, then doing so without
differentiating yourselves from WikiLeaks, and without maintaining some
sense of being a parent for multiple projects not just one favoured child,
does seem to me to be a mistake. So "if you want to change your name, don't
change it to Wikipedia, Wiki or to something you can't trademark" is also a
position, I suspect it is stronger than "no name change is necessary".


Regards

WereSpielChequers



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> Dear all,
>
> I want to share with you the next steps of the Wikimedia Foundation Board
> of Trustees about the Brand Project.
>
> Originally the Board meeting dedicated to the brand project was supposed to
> happen no earlier than October. The expected outcome from the project were
> the recommendations on what the rebranding should look like - from changing
> fonts/logos to renaming. And if there is going to be a renaming - to what.
> Of course, the Board’s role is not in approving a change in fonts, but if a
> recommendation to rename was to be made - the Board’s role would have been
> to make a decision on that recommendation. The timeline has now been
> changed, and the renaming part of rebranding will be discussed in our
> August meeting.
>
> Moreover, the Board will meet in early July to receive a briefing about the
> project and talk about the process between June 2018 - June 2020. The
> consolidated materials on what the brand project team has been working on
> for a while now will be presented to the Board, and these materials are
> also going to be posted publicly. The more-strategic conversation is
> planned for the August meeting. Time to prepare the materials is needed,
> and the ongoing conversations need to be summarised, so the Board can have
> an in-depth discussion about this, before making any kind of decision.
>
> We would like to continue with the survey [1] - we have discussed the
> possibility of technical changes to the survey with an additional option
> like “no renaming is needed” (not the exact words, mind you), but with more
> than 700 respondents it is not methodologically sound to change the survey
> now. Staff have confirmed to the Board that responses to the survey will
> not be calculated as support for a change. The survey was only designed to
> collect feedback on the possible renaming options, not as a yes/no vote on
> whether to adopt them.
>
> Thus the timeline on rebranding for the next 6-7 weeks is as follows:
>
> * Early July - special Board meeting with the Brand project team to review
> and discuss the process so far, and for the Board members to receive the
> briefing on discussions happening;
>
> * July - consolidated materials prepared for the July meeting will be
> posted publicly after the meeting;
>
> * August 5th - the Board meeting on renaming part of the rebranding, not
> about the process. The Board will make the decision about whether to stop,
> pause, or continue the work on this, within the framework of a discussion
> on strategic goals, tensions and tradeoffs, and potential next steps.
>
> * August (after the meeting) - the Board statement on the next steps about
> the Brand project.
>
> I also want to acknowledge receiving the Community open letter on renaming
> [2] that was posted this week. Thank you for this statement on the position
> of those of you who signed. I know there are other perspectives, and that
> some would agree with it who have not signed it, and that there are also
> some who would not agree. We expect that the Board meetings and
> communication after them will address the concerns raised in the letter.
>
> Stay safe,
> antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv
> Acting Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
>
> [1] 

[Wikimedia-l] Digest of Wikimedia Clinic #003; Wikimedia Clinic #004 happening in an hour

[Asaf Bartov]

Dear Wikimedians,

The digest from Wikimedia Clinic[0] #003 has been published[1].

And here's a reminder that you are invited to attend Clinic #004, about to
take place at 17:30 UTC (in under an hour as of this posting), at the
Google Meet link below[2].

Cheers,

   A.

[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Clinics
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Clinics/003
[2] https://meet.google.com/wcu-arcq-jxg

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedia Sudan User Group

[Samir Elsharbaty]

 So great news! Looking forward to working together with our fellow
Wikimedians from Sudan!

Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)

Community Brand and Marketing coordinator

Wikimedia Foundation 



On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 10:43 AM Isaac Olatunde 
wrote:

> Thanks to AffCom for this recognition. Congratulations to the founding
> members.
>
> We look forward to collaborating with you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Isaac
>
>
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2020, 07:25 Rajeeb Dutta,  wrote:
>
> > What a wonderful news!! Congratulations and all my best wishes to all the
> > members of Wikimedia Community User Group Sudan!
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Rajeeb.
> > (U: Marajozkee)
> > (Sent from my iPhone pardon the brevity)
> >
> > > On 28-Jun-2020, at 4:31 AM, Mohammed Bachounda 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Welcome Welcome ! \○/ ... Sudanese community with us. with the
> > Wikimedian
> > > mouvement
> > > around the world.
> > >
> > > مجموعة ويكيميديا السودان معترف بها رسميا مرحبا
> > >
> > > Mohammed BACHOUNDA
> > > leader WIKIDZ Algeria
> > >
> > >> Le sam. 27 juin 2020 à 22:04, Asaf Bartov  a
> > écrit :
> > >>
> > >> Excellent news!  Welcome, Wikimedia Community User Group Sudan!
> > >>
> > >> (I hope at least their designated contacts have subscribed to this
> > mailing
> > >> list.)
> > >>
> > >>   A.
> > >>
> > >> Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)
> > >>
> > >> Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities
> > >>
> > >> Wikimedia Foundation 
> > >>
> > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> > the
> > >> sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
> > >> https://donate.wikimedia.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight <
> > >> rosiestep.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi everyone!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
> > recognized
> > >>> [1] Wikimedia Sudan User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User Group. The
> group
> > >>> aims to support Sudanese living in Sudan and in the diaspora working
> to
> > >>> help bridge the content gaps about Sudan (and broadly Africa) on the
> > web
> > >>> through the largest online Encyclopedia, Wikipedia and its sister
> > >> projects
> > >>> as well as other open projects that allow sharing and accessibility
> of
> > >> free
> > >>> knowledge.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> [1]
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Sudan
> > >>>
> > >>> [2]
> > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Sudan
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Respectfully,
> > >>>
> > >>> Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight (she/her)
> > >>>
> > >>> Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedia Sudan User Group

[Isaac Olatunde]

Thanks to AffCom for this recognition. Congratulations to the founding
members.

We look forward to collaborating with you.

Regards,

Isaac


On Sun, 28 Jun 2020, 07:25 Rajeeb Dutta,  wrote:

> What a wonderful news!! Congratulations and all my best wishes to all the
> members of Wikimedia Community User Group Sudan!
>
> Best Regards,
> Rajeeb.
> (U: Marajozkee)
> (Sent from my iPhone pardon the brevity)
>
> > On 28-Jun-2020, at 4:31 AM, Mohammed Bachounda 
> wrote:
> >
> > Welcome Welcome ! \○/ ... Sudanese community with us. with the
> Wikimedian
> > mouvement
> > around the world.
> >
> > مجموعة ويكيميديا السودان معترف بها رسميا مرحبا
> >
> > Mohammed BACHOUNDA
> > leader WIKIDZ Algeria
> >
> >> Le sam. 27 juin 2020 à 22:04, Asaf Bartov  a
> écrit :
> >>
> >> Excellent news!  Welcome, Wikimedia Community User Group Sudan!
> >>
> >> (I hope at least their designated contacts have subscribed to this
> mailing
> >> list.)
> >>
> >>   A.
> >>
> >> Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)
> >>
> >> Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities
> >>
> >> Wikimedia Foundation 
> >>
> >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> the
> >> sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
> >> https://donate.wikimedia.org
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight <
> >> rosiestep.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi everyone!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
> recognized
> >>> [1] Wikimedia Sudan User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group
> >>> aims to support Sudanese living in Sudan and in the diaspora working to
> >>> help bridge the content gaps about Sudan (and broadly Africa) on the
> web
> >>> through the largest online Encyclopedia, Wikipedia and its sister
> >> projects
> >>> as well as other open projects that allow sharing and accessibility of
> >> free
> >>> knowledge.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Sudan
> >>>
> >>> [2]
> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Sudan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Respectfully,
> >>>
> >>> Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight (she/her)
> >>>
> >>> Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedia Sudan User Group

[Rajeeb Dutta]

What a wonderful news!! Congratulations and all my best wishes to all the 
members of Wikimedia Community User Group Sudan!

Best Regards,
Rajeeb.
(U: Marajozkee)
(Sent from my iPhone pardon the brevity) 

> On 28-Jun-2020, at 4:31 AM, Mohammed Bachounda  wrote:
> 
> Welcome Welcome ! \○/ ... Sudanese community with us. with the Wikimedian
> mouvement
> around the world.
> 
> مجموعة ويكيميديا السودان معترف بها رسميا مرحبا
> 
> Mohammed BACHOUNDA
> leader WIKIDZ Algeria
> 
>> Le sam. 27 juin 2020 à 22:04, Asaf Bartov  a écrit :
>> 
>> Excellent news!  Welcome, Wikimedia Community User Group Sudan!
>> 
>> (I hope at least their designated contacts have subscribed to this mailing
>> list.)
>> 
>>   A.
>> 
>> Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)
>> 
>> Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities
>> 
>> Wikimedia Foundation 
>> 
>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
>> sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
>> https://donate.wikimedia.org
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight <
>> rosiestep.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
>>> [1] Wikimedia Sudan User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group
>>> aims to support Sudanese living in Sudan and in the diaspora working to
>>> help bridge the content gaps about Sudan (and broadly Africa) on the web
>>> through the largest online Encyclopedia, Wikipedia and its sister
>> projects
>>> as well as other open projects that allow sharing and accessibility of
>> free
>>> knowledge.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [1]
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Sudan
>>> 
>>> [2]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Sudan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Respectfully,
>>> 
>>> Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight (she/her)
>>> 
>>> Chair, Affiliations Committee
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