Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
Some thoughts over the matter: Wikipedia has already rules about how the users should interact and the "penalties" that all users would endure equally if they wouldn 't apply to them. If you are a volunteer/user the things are simple. You get blocked and that is that. Imagine being a newbie then

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Dan Szymborski
There was meant to be a " " there, but my phone rudely stripped it. If it does it again, I'll make up a rule and suspend it for a year. It's what the WMF would want, I'm sure. On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:45 PM Andy Mabbett wrote: > On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 20:06, Dan Szymborski wrote: > > > The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks Patrick + all. It looks like most discussion is happening on Meta, which seems fitting. On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 4:18 PM Patrick Earley wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > We are excited to share a draft of the Universal Code of Conduct >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Gnangarra
UCoC is pointless if their systems of enforcement are themselves biased or weighted in any way to those who are known to the community. The large communities already have policies, the problem in those communities is the unwillingness and inability of the process to be enforced equally on those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 20:06, Dan Szymborski wrote: > The only tiniest shred of direct accountability on the board, the community > board elections [...] They're not elections; we get to vote on nominations, the board decide whether to accept them. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Dan Szymborski
Yeah, we've seen from the branding fiasco just how much the imperial overlords deign to respect the opinions of the peasants. The only tiniest shred of direct accountability on the board, the community board elections, have been scuttled for Very Convenient Reasons. The model is terribly broken

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Isaac Olatunde
Hello Dan, You are allowed to offer an opinion but I Honestly think that's better and more useful on the Draft talk page. That being said, by "effective vote or representation in the proceedings", you probably expected a different model where different language Wikip(m)edia community would be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Dan Szymborski
I'm also perfectly free to express to the IRS that I'd really like to get a $10 million check from them at tax time. The ability to offer an opinion on proceedings with no effective vote or representation in the proceedings is about as good as a fart in the wind. I'd prefer the WMF keep its

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Isaac Olatunde
On the contrary, I do not think this is an imposition by the Board or WMF as we are allowed to comment on the draft, and suggest improvement. I have been following the process closely and I do not see anything that looks like an "imposition" The Universal Code of Conduct is not a substitute to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Covid-19] An update on in-person gatherings

2020-09-08 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Lydia, thanks for that update. Just to give a little more context for my message: - In Katherine's email, there was no timeline, but it was the last substantive email. While your response did have some helpful process information, it did not respond to any of the substantive points. That is no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Dan Szymborski
As this is being explicitly imposed by the board from above without community approval, participating in any way is ethically unsound. Doubly so without a board election preceding this as the WMF has arbitrarily denied communities the right, as manifested in the election of the community seats, to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Covid-19] An update on in-person gatherings

2020-09-08 Thread Lydia Hamilton
Hi Lodewijk, As shared previously, an update is forthcoming during the month of September. I struggle a bit with the statement "the last month of silence," when Katherine, Chen, and myself have been in active communication with the community on this topic via either wiki-l or the Conference and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Covid-19] An update on in-person gatherings

2020-09-08 Thread effe iets anders
Hi all, is there any update on this? Has any progress been made to start a conversation with the community organizers about this? As an organizer, the months of silence (and the last month of silence) on this are a little saddening. Thanks, Lodewijk On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 12:24 PM Lydia