Some thoughts over the matter:
Wikipedia has already rules about how the users should interact and the
"penalties" that all users would endure equally if they wouldn 't apply to
them. If you are a volunteer/user the things are simple. You get blocked
and that is that. Imagine being a newbie then
There was meant to be a " " there, but my phone rudely stripped it.
If it does it again, I'll make up a rule and suspend it for a year. It's
what the WMF would want, I'm sure.
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:45 PM Andy Mabbett
> On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 20:06, Dan Szymborski wrote:
> > The
Thanks Patrick + all. It looks like most discussion is happening on Meta,
which seems fitting.
On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 4:18 PM Patrick Earley wrote:
> Hello, everyone.
> We are excited to share a draft of the Universal Code of Conduct
UCoC is pointless if their systems of enforcement are themselves biased or
weighted in any way to those who are known to the community. The large
communities already have policies, the problem in those communities is the
unwillingness and inability of the process to be enforced equally on those
On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 20:06, Dan Szymborski wrote:
> The only tiniest shred of direct accountability on the board, the community
> board elections
They're not elections; we get to vote on nominations, the board decide
whether to accept them.
Yeah, we've seen from the branding fiasco just how much the imperial
overlords deign to respect the opinions of the peasants.
The only tiniest shred of direct accountability on the board, the community
board elections, have been scuttled for Very Convenient Reasons.
The model is terribly broken
You are allowed to offer an opinion but I Honestly think that's better and
more useful on the Draft talk page.
That being said, by "effective vote or representation in the proceedings",
you probably expected a different model where different language
Wikip(m)edia community would be
I'm also perfectly free to express to the IRS that I'd really like to get a
$10 million check from them at tax time. The ability to offer an opinion on
proceedings with no effective vote or representation in the proceedings is
about as good as a fart in the wind. I'd prefer the WMF keep its
On the contrary, I do not think this is an imposition by the Board or WMF
as we are allowed to comment on the draft, and suggest improvement.
I have been following the process closely and I do not see anything that
looks like an "imposition"
The Universal Code of Conduct is not a substitute to
thanks for that update. Just to give a little more context for my message:
- In Katherine's email, there was no timeline, but it was the last
substantive email. While your response did have some helpful process
information, it did not respond to any of the substantive points. That is
As this is being explicitly imposed by the board from above without
community approval, participating in any way is ethically unsound. Doubly
so without a board election preceding this as the WMF has arbitrarily
denied communities the right, as manifested in the election of the
community seats, to
As shared previously, an update is forthcoming during the month of
September. I struggle a bit with the statement "the last month of silence,"
when Katherine, Chen, and myself have been in active communication with
the community on this topic via either wiki-l or the Conference and
is there any update on this? Has any progress been made to start a
conversation with the community organizers about this?
As an organizer, the months of silence (and the last month of silence) on
this are a little saddening.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 12:24 PM Lydia
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