Hi Lukas,
I appreciate you opening up on this. I have a hard time following the line
of argument. I can appreciate that it can be stressful to see someone
generalize opposition to this extent, and I dont think it is helpful to the
conversation, because it basically rejects all solutions out of
Hi all,
I hope this email finds you well.
I'm reaching out to let you know that the Research team [1] at the
Wikimedia Foundation has been working on developing a taxonomy of
knowledge gaps for the Wikimedia projects. We now have the first draft
of the taxonomy ready and we're seeking your input
[*Spanish below*]
Comrades:
I hope everyone is in good health. I write to inform you of the update of
the Wikimedia Chile board. I have submitted my resignation to the
presidency, since I obtained a scholarship to study in Spain. The new
president of WMCL is Carlos Figueroa, whom the whole team
I'd like to thank the list administrators for:
* their transparency in handling this moderation request
* the clarity in describing how to and how not to criticize
* for not banning Dan but patiently giving clear guidelines
While I don't find Dan's language as offensive as to be banworthy, it is
Hello,
As one of the list subscribers who contacted the list moderators about the
messages in question, please let me second the sentiment that this list
should welcome discourse that is honest and frank while remaining
constructive and civil. Being subscribed to this list can be stressful for
Mr. Szymborski,
I understand you have very little faith in the Wikimedia Foundation, and
are upset about some past decisions and statements it has made. As I
already wrote above, you are welcome to express that criticism so long as
you manage to remain civil, which includes avoiding vulgarity.
Sure, WMF running roughshod over the community is something that doesn't
happen.
I must be imagining the events that led to the community open letter on
renaming, which featured nearly a thousand individual endorsers and 72
community affiliates.
I'm not "confused" at all. Nor do I have any willingness to be "educated"
by you. I reject your argument and I will reiterate that nothing I said
would be in violation of any UCoC in existence.
This kind of condescending talking-down-to is far more insulting than
anything I said. Perhaps you
I strongly disagree. There's no "reasonable person" standard in which
anything I said would be found offensive. I'm frequently sought out by
professors as a *mentor* for journalism students and we talk about issues
such as this. I'm no shock jock.
If anything, this spell highlights one of the
Hi all,
Last month, Katherine shared with you a preview of the work that the Events
team has been leading on resources to support in-person gatherings. We have
seen more countries shift restrictions on in-person events, and we want to
respond to those changing realities for communities that live
Is the objection to the words he used or to the way he used them?
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Asaf Bartov
Sent: 09 September 2020 21:57
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice
For a UVoC to be helpful, it would have to be sufficiently clear about what is
unacceptable, and why it is unacceptable, and would itself have to be
sufficiently clear and acceptable to be seen as fair by the communities who
would be bound by it. This is not easy to do, and the talk page
Anders, I think you are referring to jargon. I agree that it should be avoided
in the interests of clarity and ease of reliable translation.
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Anders Wennersten
Sent: 10
I want to echo Jackies two mail
The community for svwp is not so big and complicated issues on conduct
are uncommon. But when they occur we often get caught in argument like "
you who claim to decide over svwp CoC are just a small kabal of some
10-120 admins, you are unrepresentative and the
Dan,
I am so glad you have given us a real-world example as to how a Universal
Code of Conduct would be super helpful. It would provide you with a clear
understanding of how your comments impacted others. It wasn't just your use
of the word "flatulence" (which, funny enough, I had to reference
Wikipedia has been a third tier social media platform since its inception.
Luckily we are better known for being an encyclopedia.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:31 AM Dan Szymborski
wrote:
> I am absolutely flabbergasted that a generic reference of an organization
> to flatulence, something we see
You read my mind...
P
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Gnangarra
Sent: 10 September 2020 13:50
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice
one measure of good judgement would those decline the
one measure of good judgement would those decline the opportunity to be a
list administrator :D
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 19:41, Peter Southwood
wrote:
> Good judgement is often such a subjective thing, Everyone thinks they have
> it. A bit like the Dunning-Kruger effect.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
>
Are those things not already covered by the terms of use?
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Amir Sarabadani
Sent: 10 September 2020 13:22
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code
Good judgement is often such a subjective thing, Everyone thinks they have
it. A bit like the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Asaf Bartov
Sent: 10 September 2020 12:55
To: Wikimedia
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020, 14:05 Fæ wrote:
>
> Who are the list mods?
The current list admins are John Vandenberg, Shani Evenstein, and I.
Unfortunately, this is not made clear at
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
That is indeed unfortunate! It *used* to list explicit
I just want to say while I agree IMO there's a growing disconnect in some
parts of WMF with the communities but it's not happening here. In fact it's
also the other way around. Some people in communities and some communities
in general have been growing too disconnected from the framework they are
Hi Asaf,
Who are the list mods? Unfortunately, this is not made clear at
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
In line with what you say here, a track record that, say, included
deliberately misusing administrator or checkuser tools on Wikimedia
projects, should certainly be
I would say first and foremost, good judgment. As measured by the person's
track record on-wiki and on this list.
Preferring to err on the side of caution, people under community sanctions,
or who have themselves been moderated for on-list misconduct, need not
apply.
A.
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020,
Asaf,
What are the criteria for eligibility as moderator for this list?
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Asaf Bartov
Sent: 10 September 2020 11:07
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l]
As you can see, Dan, your choice of imagery, appreciated and encouraged in
less buttoned-up journalism, is offensive to some subscribers here. Your
strong criticism of the Foundation, on the other hand, is perfectly
acceptable.
As a professional wordsmith, I am confident you can continue to
I'd be happy to help out. I have set up and managed several lists
related to our Wikimedia LGBT+ community.
As a well-known commentator about the WMF and safe spaces, including
running a global RFC that held to account a WMF board member, it might
add a useful perceived balance to moderation
I am absolutely flabbergasted that a generic reference of an organization
to flatulence, something we see in rated-G television isn't considered
"collegial" enough yet the actions that the WMF has taken over the last 18
months, many of which were pushed by people on this list *are* considered
Is the Foundation willing to fund pronunciation remediation this winter?
On Wednesday, September 9, 2020, Srishti Sethi wrote:
> Hello Chris,
>
> Yes, mentoring organizations provide funding for the Outreachy internships.
> For the upcoming winter round, WMF will be funding up to 6 projects.
>
Hello Asaf
I am a list administrator in at least 5 Wikimedia mailing lists and I
believe I have the relevant experience in this area.
I'd be happy to help out if you need more hands.
Regards
Isaac
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020, 10:08 Asaf Bartov, wrote:
> Indeed, there is a potential conflict of
Indeed, there is a potential conflict of interest here. This is why I
strongly tend to leniency, *especially* when unacceptable discourse
coincides with criticism of the Foundation. In this case, we received
requests from two list subscribers to moderate Dan. We did so, while
underscoring that
Is there a record somewhere of what unacceptable language was used and
against what standard it was judged to be unacceptable?
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of Asaf Bartov
Sent: 09 September 2020 21:57
To:
Hello,
A code of conduct id something many of us have asked the WMF to write for many
years. We are asking the WMF to take an active part in stopping abusive
behaviors in our community.
On fr wiki, many admins say they are tired of conflicts and that they did not
enroll to deal with them. A
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