Re: [Wikimedia-l] Test Mailman3 in production

[Erik Moeller]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 12:59 AM Amir Sarabadani  wrote:
> tl;dr: https://lists-next.wikimedia.org is running mailman3.
> Please help us test the software before we upgrade the real mailing list 
> server.

Thank you so much for your hard work on this. For better or for worse,
mailing lists are still essential to the wikiverse, and this is a big
step towards making them more approachable (for one thing, by letting
folks post through the web interface).

Warmly,
Erik

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Test Mailman3 in production

[Kunal Mehta]

Hi,

On 3/25/21 11:45 PM, Pankaj Jangid wrote:

One question. I subscribe to this list via the NNTP bridge hosted at
gmane.io. Will the change make any difference at that end? I mean do the
administrators of Gmane require any change?


My understanding is that Gmane is subscribed to our mailing lists just 
like a normal user. I don't expect anything will change in that area 
since all subscriptions will be carried over.


Mailman3 also has plugins for sites like mail-archive.com[1] which I 
think are manually configured for now. I haven't looked into the 
implications of what enabling such a plugin would be though.


[1] 
https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/archiving/docs/common.html#the-mail-archive-com


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is it time for a Global Username Policy that is similar to Global Rename Policy?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Test Mailman3 in production

[Pankaj Jangid]

Amir Sarabadani  writes:

> tl;dr: https://lists-next.wikimedia.org is running mailman3. Please help us
> test the software before we upgrade the real mailing list server.

Indeed this is great news. I have subscribed to a couple of mailing
lists that are already using v3. And it really makes it easy to
manage. Thanks for working on this.

One question. I subscribe to this list via the NNTP bridge hosted at
gmane.io. Will the change make any difference at that end? I mean do the
administrators of Gmane require any change?

-- 
Regards,
Pankaj Jangid


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Test Mailman3 in production

[Amir Sarabadani]

I think the subject line is the only thing that matters but I also want to
emphasize that unlike mailman2, you can just have a central account for all
of your mailing lists. Confirm your email when registering a new user
(which you can just click on a link) and everything will be pretty
straightforward afterwards.

HTH


On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 2:11 PM Deb Tankersley 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've started to play with the interface, but questioning a bit the
> instructions given (for clarity purposes) when you're signing up for a list:
>
> Before you can start using GNU Mailman at this site, you must first confirm
>> that this is your email address.  You can do this by replying to this
>> message,
>> keeping the Subject header intact.
>>
>
> Should there be additional instructions on if something is needed in the
> body of that reply email, or that it can be empty and just keep the subject
> line the same?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Deb
>
> --
>
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>
> senior program manager, engineering
>
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 3:40 AM Pankaj Jangid 
> wrote:
>
>> Amir Sarabadani  writes:
>>
>> > tl;dr: https://lists-next.wikimedia.org is running mailman3. Please
>> help us
>> > test the software before we upgrade the real mailing list server.
>>
>> Indeed this is great news. I have subscribed to a couple of mailing
>> lists that are already using v3. And it really makes it easy to
>> manage. Thanks for working on this.
>>
>> One question. I subscribe to this list via the NNTP bridge hosted at
>> gmane.io. Will the change make any difference at that end? I mean do the
>> administrators of Gmane require any change?
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Pankaj Jangid
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Join us for the Latin America regional education meeting

[João Alexandre Peschanski]

Hello Sailesh. I hope this message finds you well.

This is very interesting. Thank you for sharing.

Could you please specify the language in which this meeting will take place
and if simultaneous translation will be made available? I am mostly
interested in knowing if translation to Portuguese will be available, as
the topic could spark some interest in the Brazilian community.

Thank you,

João

Em sex., 26 de mar. de 2021 às 13:39, Sailesh Patnaik <
spatn...@wikimedia.org> escreveu:

> Estimados y estimadas Wikimedistas,
>
> Les escribo para invitarles a la segunda reunión regional de Wikimedia y
> educación[1]. Este mes será nuestra primera reunión para Latinoamérica y
> tendrá lugar el 31 de marzo 2021 a las 14:00 UTC. Esta reunión es una
> oportunidad para aprender y compartir proyectos, herramientas, o ideas con
> la comunidad de Wikimedia y educación de la región. Será liderada en
> español por Jose Reyes, Oficial de Educación de Wikimedia México, y parte
> del equipo de EWOC como especialista de comunidades de la región.
>
> En esta reunión regional de educación para Latinoamérica contaremos con
> las presentaciones de:
>
>-
>
>José Reyes, sobre el estado de programas de educación en México
>-
>
>Novedades desde Wikimedia Argentina
>-
>
>Y la experiencia del programa ¡Leamos Wikipedia! en Bolivia
>
>
> Si tienes otros temas, ideas, o preguntas que quieras añadir a la agenda,
> puedes dejarlas aquí[5] y trataremos de incluirlas durante la reunión.
> ¡Esperamos verles ahí!
>
> Cordialmente,
>
> José, equipo EWOC, Sailesh, y equipo de Educación de la Wikimedia
> Foundation
>
> ---
>
> Dear Wikimedians,
>
>
> I am writing this email to invite you all to the second regional education
> meeting[1]. This month we are starting with our community members based in
> the Latin America region[2]. You can use these regional office hours as an
> opportunity to learn and share your projects, tools, or ideas with the
> education community from the region.
>
> These regional education meetings are planned by the community specialists
> of the EduWiki Outreach Collaborators (EWOC)[3] and the Education team. We
> are using this as an opportunity to strengthen the EduWiki network, explore
> collaboration opportunities, and identify common practices or challenges
> that are faced by our community members in different regions of the world.
> We are launching these regional office hours as a pilot initiative to
> complement our general monthly office hours[4], we encourage you to
> participate, share your ideas, and help this become a fully community-led
> initiative.
>
> Our first LatAm regional education meeting will take place on 31st March
> 2021 at 14:00 UTC, it will be led in Spanish by José Reyes, Education
> Program Manager of Wikimedia Mexico and EWOC community specialist for the
> region.
>
> At this LatAm regional education meeting, we will hear from:
>
>-
>
>Jose on the state of education in Mexico
>-
>
>Some updates from Wikimedia Argentina
>-
>
>And the experience of running Reading Wikipedia in the classroom
>program by Wikimedistas de Bolivia.
>
>
> If you have other ideas, topics, or questions you want to ask, you can add
> them to the agenda here[5]. We will try to answer them during the meeting.
> We are looking forward to seeing you there!
>
> Best!
>
> José, EWOC community specialist team, Sailesh, and Education team
>
> [1]
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/About/Office_Hours/Regional_Meeting
>
> [2]
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/About/Office_Hours/Regional_Meeting/LatAm
>
> [3]
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/EduWiki_Outreach_Collaborators
>
> [4] https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/About/Office_Hours
>
> [5]
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/About/Office_Hours/Regional_Meeting/LatAm#Add_your_agenda
>
>
> --
>
> Sailesh Patnaik (He/Him)
>
> Program Associate, Education
>
> Wikimedia Foundation 
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[Wikimedia-l] Join us for the Latin America regional education meeting

[Sailesh Patnaik]

Estimados y estimadas Wikimedistas,

Les escribo para invitarles a la segunda reunión regional de Wikimedia y
educación[1]. Este mes será nuestra primera reunión para Latinoamérica y
tendrá lugar el 31 de marzo 2021 a las 14:00 UTC. Esta reunión es una
oportunidad para aprender y compartir proyectos, herramientas, o ideas con
la comunidad de Wikimedia y educación de la región. Será liderada en
español por Jose Reyes, Oficial de Educación de Wikimedia México, y parte
del equipo de EWOC como especialista de comunidades de la región.

En esta reunión regional de educación para Latinoamérica contaremos con las
presentaciones de:

   -

   José Reyes, sobre el estado de programas de educación en México
   -

   Novedades desde Wikimedia Argentina
   -

   Y la experiencia del programa ¡Leamos Wikipedia! en Bolivia


Si tienes otros temas, ideas, o preguntas que quieras añadir a la agenda,
puedes dejarlas aquí[5] y trataremos de incluirlas durante la reunión.
¡Esperamos verles ahí!

Cordialmente,

José, equipo EWOC, Sailesh, y equipo de Educación de la Wikimedia Foundation

---

Dear Wikimedians,


I am writing this email to invite you all to the second regional education
meeting[1]. This month we are starting with our community members based in
the Latin America region[2]. You can use these regional office hours as an
opportunity to learn and share your projects, tools, or ideas with the
education community from the region.

These regional education meetings are planned by the community specialists
of the EduWiki Outreach Collaborators (EWOC)[3] and the Education team. We
are using this as an opportunity to strengthen the EduWiki network, explore
collaboration opportunities, and identify common practices or challenges
that are faced by our community members in different regions of the world.
We are launching these regional office hours as a pilot initiative to
complement our general monthly office hours[4], we encourage you to
participate, share your ideas, and help this become a fully community-led
initiative.

Our first LatAm regional education meeting will take place on 31st March
2021 at 14:00 UTC, it will be led in Spanish by José Reyes, Education
Program Manager of Wikimedia Mexico and EWOC community specialist for the
region.

At this LatAm regional education meeting, we will hear from:

   -

   Jose on the state of education in Mexico
   -

   Some updates from Wikimedia Argentina
   -

   And the experience of running Reading Wikipedia in the classroom program
   by Wikimedistas de Bolivia.


If you have other ideas, topics, or questions you want to ask, you can add
them to the agenda here[5]. We will try to answer them during the meeting.
We are looking forward to seeing you there!

Best!

José, EWOC community specialist team, Sailesh, and Education team

[1]
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/About/Office_Hours/Regional_Meeting

[2]
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/About/Office_Hours/Regional_Meeting/LatAm

[3]
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/EduWiki_Outreach_Collaborators

[4] https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/About/Office_Hours

[5]
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/About/Office_Hours/Regional_Meeting/LatAm#Add_your_agenda


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Program Associate, Education

Wikimedia Foundation 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Test Mailman3 in production

[Deb Tankersley]

Hi,

I've started to play with the interface, but questioning a bit the
instructions given (for clarity purposes) when you're signing up for a list:

Before you can start using GNU Mailman at this site, you must first confirm
> that this is your email address.  You can do this by replying to this
> message,
> keeping the Subject header intact.
>

Should there be additional instructions on if something is needed in the
body of that reply email, or that it can be empty and just keep the subject
line the same?

Cheers,

Deb

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On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 3:40 AM Pankaj Jangid 
wrote:

> Amir Sarabadani  writes:
>
> > tl;dr: https://lists-next.wikimedia.org is running mailman3. Please
> help us
> > test the software before we upgrade the real mailing list server.
>
> Indeed this is great news. I have subscribed to a couple of mailing
> lists that are already using v3. And it really makes it easy to
> manage. Thanks for working on this.
>
> One question. I subscribe to this list via the NNTP bridge hosted at
> gmane.io. Will the change make any difference at that end? I mean do the
> administrators of Gmane require any change?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Pankaj Jangid
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is it time for a Global Username Policy that is similar to Global Rename Policy?

[Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l]

 It's an old topic. I tried to discuss it in 2015 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Alexmar983/sandbox#SUL_issues and also 
again at an informal after-meeting weeks ago.
First of all, there is no strong global management of username blacklist as 
people might imagine. Beyond the cases of username that might be offensive and 
blocked in one language, some platforms for example do not accept 
"institutional accounts" that are accepted on other ones, ad this is a big one. 
They should be probably unblocked on the log term

Also, dead users are handled differently.
Blocking policy for proxy are also different. 

I could go on and on but most of the problems are still there. 

Whatever, soon or later we will fix them. I suppose some people need their 
time... in some cases it does not matter anymore, you just select tolerant 
platforms and ignore the ones with more rigid or dysfunctional policies. 

It would be nice to accept that there is some work to do.

Alessandro
Il venerdì 26 marzo 2021, 10:35:09 CET, Vi to  ha 
scritto:  
 
 Username blacklist has already been global since 2015, see 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T38939
Vito

Il giorno ven 26 mar 2021 alle ore 10:06 William Chan  ha 
scritto:

Hi,
I have observed that there is a global renaming policy but a global username 
policy is absent? As we all know that usernames are global following SUL, and 
literally the same username will be used across multiple wikis.
So, a very simple question is raised: shall there be a draft of the global 
username policies, considering usernames are now global?
Also, also due to SUL, it seems that username blacklists should be put at a 
global scale, or it may just be not logical as one may just escape one wiki's 
username blacklist through creating it at another project, and use SUL to 
circumvent such block.
I hope for broad input, considering this may mean a broad policy change, and 
what I have in my mind is just a very primary idea to install a Global Username 
Policy that acts similar to the current Global Rename Policy that is in 
enforcement.
P.S. I put it here before placing it on meta RFC is not to avoid circumvention 
but hope to seek more input instead of just bumping a very large policy change 
without any external input.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is it time for a Global Username Policy that is similar to Global Rename Policy?

[Vi to]

Username blacklist has already been global since 2015, see
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T38939

Vito

Il giorno ven 26 mar 2021 alle ore 10:06 William Chan  ha
scritto:

> Hi,
>
> I have observed that there is a global renaming policy but a global
> username policy is absent? As we all know that usernames are global
> following SUL, and literally the same username will be used across multiple
> wikis.
>
> So, a very simple question is raised: shall there be a draft of the global
> username policies, considering usernames are now global?
>
> Also, also due to SUL, it seems that username blacklists should be put at
> a global scale, or it may just be not logical as one may just escape one
> wiki's username blacklist through creating it at another project, and use
> SUL to circumvent such block.
>
> I hope for broad input, considering this may mean a broad policy change,
> and what I have in my mind is just a very primary idea to install a Global
> Username Policy that acts similar to the current Global Rename Policy that
> is in enforcement.
>
> P.S. I put it here before placing it on meta RFC is not to avoid
> circumvention but hope to seek more input instead of just bumping a very
> large policy change without any external input.
>
> Regards,
> William
> User:1233
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[Wikimedia-l] Is it time for a Global Username Policy that is similar to Global Rename Policy?

[William Chan]

Hi,

I have observed that there is a global renaming policy but a global
username policy is absent? As we all know that usernames are global
following SUL, and literally the same username will be used across multiple
wikis.

So, a very simple question is raised: shall there be a draft of the global
username policies, considering usernames are now global?

Also, also due to SUL, it seems that username blacklists should be put at a
global scale, or it may just be not logical as one may just escape one
wiki's username blacklist through creating it at another project, and use
SUL to circumvent such block.

I hope for broad input, considering this may mean a broad policy change,
and what I have in my mind is just a very primary idea to install a Global
Username Policy that acts similar to the current Global Rename Policy that
is in enforcement.

P.S. I put it here before placing it on meta RFC is not to avoid
circumvention but hope to seek more input instead of just bumping a very
large policy change without any external input.

Regards,
William
User:1233
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