[Wikimedia-l] Re: "content was" when deleting pages - is it useful?

2022-01-17 Thread Peter Southwood 
If the reason for deletion was to suppress undesirable content, why would one 
want part of it to remain viewable? Cheers, Peter

 

From: Vi to [mailto:vituzzu.w...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 17 January 2022 23:45
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: "content was" when deleting pages - is it useful?

 

On it.wiki we removed both this and "the only editor was..." which proved to be 
misleading for newcomers, e.g. "I don't think that being the sole editor is a 
valid reason for this deletion".

 

Vito

 

Il giorno lun 17 gen 2022 alle ore 15:19 Amir E. Aharoni 
 ha scritto:

Hallo!

 

There's an old MediaWiki feature: When an administrator deletes a page, a bit 
of its content is automatically added to an edit summary. This is later 
viewable in deletion logs.

 

If you edit in the English, German, or Italian Wikipedia, then you haven't 
actually seen this feature in years, because administrators in these wikis 
essentially removed it by locally blanking the system messages that make it 
work.

 

In many other wikis, however, this feature is still working.

 

Is it actually useful? Or should it perhaps be removed?

 

Here's a Phabricator task about it:

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T299351

 

If you have an opinion, weigh in there or here.

 

Thanks!


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[Wikimedia-l] Re: "content was" when deleting pages - is it useful?

2022-01-17 Thread Vi to 
On it.wiki we removed both this and "the only editor was..." which proved
to be misleading for newcomers, e.g. "I don't think that being the sole
editor is a valid reason for this deletion".

Vito

Il giorno lun 17 gen 2022 alle ore 15:19 Amir E. Aharoni <
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> ha scritto:

> Hallo!
>
> There's an old MediaWiki feature: When an administrator deletes a page, a
> bit of its content is automatically added to an edit summary. This is later
> viewable in deletion logs.
>
> If you edit in the English, German, or Italian Wikipedia, then you haven't
> actually seen this feature in years, because administrators in these wikis
> essentially removed it by locally blanking the system messages that make it
> work.
>
> In many other wikis, however, this feature is still working.
>
> Is it actually useful? Or should it perhaps be removed?
>
> Here's a Phabricator task about it:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T299351
>
> If you have an opinion, weigh in there or here.
>
> Thanks!
>
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] This Month in GLAM: December 2021

2022-01-17 Thread The 'This Month in GLAM' team 
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: "content was" when deleting pages - is it useful?

2022-01-17 Thread Strainu 
On ro.wp, we empty the summary when the reason is "Obscene content"
and leave it otherwise. For me, it used to be useful as a quick check
on admins. However, now that many deletions are made through Twinkle
and the Infoboxes are ubiquitous (taking up from the displayed text),
this is less useful.

Strainu

În lun., 17 ian. 2022 la 16:19, Amir E. Aharoni
 a scris:
>
> Hallo!
>
> There's an old MediaWiki feature: When an administrator deletes a page, a bit 
> of its content is automatically added to an edit summary. This is later 
> viewable in deletion logs.
>
> If you edit in the English, German, or Italian Wikipedia, then you haven't 
> actually seen this feature in years, because administrators in these wikis 
> essentially removed it by locally blanking the system messages that make it 
> work.
>
> In many other wikis, however, this feature is still working.
>
> Is it actually useful? Or should it perhaps be removed?
>
> Here's a Phabricator task about it:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T299351
>
> If you have an opinion, weigh in there or here.
>
> Thanks!
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: "content was" when deleting pages - is it useful?

2022-01-17 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
This is an interesting point, because many trolls actually WIN when we delete 
something, because their trolling is there forever. It should be visible for 
administrators, or if you search for it, but not in the deleted article itself.

From: Amir E. Aharoni 
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 4:03 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: "content was" when deleting pages - is it useful?

Yes, that's what I imagine.

In the Hebrew Wikipedia, this feature is still active, and someone wondered 
what is it actually good for. When I delete pages, I definitely erase things 
that may be in any way problematic. And sometimes I delete them even if they 
aren't. If this feature didn't exist, it wouldn't bother me. But that's my 
experience--maybe I'm missing something.

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‫בתאריך יום ב׳, 17 בינו׳ 2022 ב-16:35 מאת ‪Newyorkbrad‬‏ 
<‪newyorkb...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
The problem with this feature was that when the deleted material was libelous, 
offensive, etc., it would still automatically be copied into the deletion 
summary, which served to defeat the entire purpose of deleting it.

Newyorkbrad/IBM


On Monday, January 17, 2022, Amir E. Aharoni 
mailto:amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il>> wrote:
Hallo!

There's an old MediaWiki feature: When an administrator deletes a page, a bit 
of its content is automatically added to an edit summary. This is later 
viewable in deletion logs.

If you edit in the English, German, or Italian Wikipedia, then you haven't 
actually seen this feature in years, because administrators in these wikis 
essentially removed it by locally blanking the system messages that make it 
work.

In many other wikis, however, this feature is still working.

Is it actually useful? Or should it perhaps be removed?

Here's a Phabricator task about it:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T299351

If you have an opinion, weigh in there or here.

Thanks!

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: "content was" when deleting pages - is it useful?

2022-01-17 Thread Risker 
Thanks for flagging this, Amir.  You're right, the reasoning isn't
particularly well documented.  I've commented on the ticket about the
reason English Wikipedia did this, which may be helpful.

Risker/Anne

On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 at 09:19, Amir E. Aharoni 
wrote:

> Hallo!
>
> There's an old MediaWiki feature: When an administrator deletes a page, a
> bit of its content is automatically added to an edit summary. This is later
> viewable in deletion logs.
>
> If you edit in the English, German, or Italian Wikipedia, then you haven't
> actually seen this feature in years, because administrators in these wikis
> essentially removed it by locally blanking the system messages that make it
> work.
>
> In many other wikis, however, this feature is still working.
>
> Is it actually useful? Or should it perhaps be removed?
>
> Here's a Phabricator task about it:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T299351
>
> If you have an opinion, weigh in there or here.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: "content was" when deleting pages - is it useful?

2022-01-17 Thread Amir E. Aharoni 
Yes, that's what I imagine.

In the Hebrew Wikipedia, this feature is still active, and someone wondered
what is it actually good for. When I delete pages, I definitely erase
things that may be in any way problematic. And sometimes I delete them even
if they aren't. If this feature didn't exist, it wouldn't bother me. But
that's my experience--maybe I'm missing something.

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‫בתאריך יום ב׳, 17 בינו׳ 2022 ב-16:35 מאת ‪Newyorkbrad‬‏ <‪
newyorkb...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬

> The problem with this feature was that when the deleted material was
> libelous, offensive, etc., it would still automatically be copied into the
> deletion summary, which served to defeat the entire purpose of deleting it.
>
> Newyorkbrad/IBM
>
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022, Amir E. Aharoni 
> wrote:
>
>> Hallo!
>>
>> There's an old MediaWiki feature: When an administrator deletes a page, a
>> bit of its content is automatically added to an edit summary. This is later
>> viewable in deletion logs.
>>
>> If you edit in the English, German, or Italian Wikipedia, then you
>> haven't actually seen this feature in years, because administrators in
>> these wikis essentially removed it by locally blanking the system messages
>> that make it work.
>>
>> In many other wikis, however, this feature is still working.
>>
>> Is it actually useful? Or should it perhaps be removed?
>>
>> Here's a Phabricator task about it:
>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T299351
>>
>> If you have an opinion, weigh in there or here.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
>> ‪“We're living in pieces,
>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: "content was" when deleting pages - is it useful?

2022-01-17 Thread Newyorkbrad 
The problem with this feature was that when the deleted material was
libelous, offensive, etc., it would still automatically be copied into the
deletion summary, which served to defeat the entire purpose of deleting it.

Newyorkbrad/IBM


On Monday, January 17, 2022, Amir E. Aharoni 
wrote:

> Hallo!
>
> There's an old MediaWiki feature: When an administrator deletes a page, a
> bit of its content is automatically added to an edit summary. This is later
> viewable in deletion logs.
>
> If you edit in the English, German, or Italian Wikipedia, then you haven't
> actually seen this feature in years, because administrators in these wikis
> essentially removed it by locally blanking the system messages that make it
> work.
>
> In many other wikis, however, this feature is still working.
>
> Is it actually useful? Or should it perhaps be removed?
>
> Here's a Phabricator task about it:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T299351
>
> If you have an opinion, weigh in there or here.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
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> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
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[Wikimedia-l] "content was" when deleting pages - is it useful?

2022-01-17 Thread Amir E. Aharoni 
Hallo!

There's an old MediaWiki feature: When an administrator deletes a page, a
bit of its content is automatically added to an edit summary. This is later
viewable in deletion logs.

If you edit in the English, German, or Italian Wikipedia, then you haven't
actually seen this feature in years, because administrators in these wikis
essentially removed it by locally blanking the system messages that make it
work.

In many other wikis, however, this feature is still working.

Is it actually useful? Or should it perhaps be removed?

Here's a Phabricator task about it:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T299351

If you have an opinion, weigh in there or here.

Thanks!

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Queering Wikipedia 2022: User Survey

2022-01-17 Thread WM LGBT 
Update: The Queering Wikipedia 2022 survey closes in 2 weeks on 31st January.

If you are interested in supporting the only global Wikimedia event
for LGBTQIA volunteers to share and learn from our experiences, please
give feedback to help set the priorities.

Survey: 
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScLhbygKmWiyd8aemem2TcaOZ2UmL0y9YI4I57woaV8um43aw/viewform
Survey questions: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QW2022/Survey

Happy 2022!
QW2022 proposal team

On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 at 11:11, WM LGBT  wrote:
>
> Hi, fellow Wikimedians,
>
> QW2022 (Queering Wikipedia) is a global conference focused on LGBTQ+
> communities and our representation on Wikipedia and other Wikimedia
> projects in all languages.
>
> If you are a Wikimedian and LGBTQ+ or a committed ally, please help
> shape the proposal by providing feedback on what the priorities should
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>
> To read the proposal, add your support, ask questions or even
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> Visit https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LGBT to find out more about the
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