[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Decision of WLM in Ukraine organizers not to submit photos for the international round

[Željko Blaće]

Dear Olga and WLM Ukraine - your work is impressive and your efforts to
bring visibility and point to issues with WLM in 2022 are also.

I can empathize with the feeling one gets when others are benevolent to
recognize and act on what seems obvious *(as  someone who experienced war
aggression in all of my homelands, first SFR Yugoslavia, then Croatia and
Bosnia & Herzegovina. I do agree that the WLM 2022 international team
should not process Russian photos in a competitive way against Ukrainians
and I wish this was raised as an issue more publicly. WLM had issues also
before with inertia and no capacity and/or good will to recognize problems
on national levels. Here I agree with Peter on* no good options *but this
is no excuse for not exploring good-enough or better-than options!

I am hopeful that your work will sustain and that soon enough you will
inform and inspire systemic change in Wikimedia.
Meanwhile I hope WMF can practically support your work at least with
material resources to reduce some of the hardships.

In solidarity - Z. Blace
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Long Reddit post laying out inner workings of English Wikipedia

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
The best competition to the English Wikipedia? Any other Wikipedia. The
Wikimedia Foundation increasingly puts its effort outside the borders of
the USA. As a techie I am really pleased with a full fledged data centre in
France. Then there is the Abstract Wikipedia, given that facts are findable
and the advent of AI generated texts, it has the potential to give the
staid English Wikipedia a run for its money.

English Wikipedia is for me a bastion of conservatism. They consider
anything outside of their direct influence problematic and at the same time
technically they rely on Commons and Wikidata. However Wikidata has not
enough sources it is said while repeatedly it has been shown to have more
sources than English Wikipedia itself. References are considered fixed
while Wikidata shows how what is used as a reference gets debunked. English
Wikipedia could be aware of it if they cared at all..

Anyway, I hardly edit Wikipedia anymore. The politics of it all take too
much time and effort. However, I still find a niche for myself in the
Wikimedia ecosystem.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 05:34, Peter Southwood 
wrote:

> Last I heard, Wikipedia is not for sale, so not much point in persuading
> someone to try to buy it. Also some real competition could be good for
> Wikipedia, and for that matter, good for the Wikimedia Foundation. It would
> also be very interesting to see how a real challenge to English Wikipedia
> would be organized. All the previous attempts have failed, often quite
> dismally. If it were to work better, many of us would probably join it, if
> it turns out to be a thing one could join.
> Many of us are loyal to the concept of free knowledge, not so much to the
> platform it is presented on.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
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> English Wikipedia
>
> The last part of the great wall of text appears to persuade him to invest
> in
> alternatives instead of buying Wikipedia. For him Wiki is like a sole
> McDonald's in a food dessert, and that the solution is to open new
> "restaurants".
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Long Reddit post laying out inner workings of English Wikipedia

[Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l]

Cool. Sad to see that there's still no viable alternatives ATM, though there's 
some potential in Atsme's Justapedia. The proposed pitch in attracting editors 
by offering knowledge posterity like the disc on Beresheet sounds interesting.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Decision of WLM in Ukraine organizers not to submit photos for the international round

[Peter Southwood]

Sometimes there are no good options.

Cheers,

Peter

 

From: Коля Красный via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 00:12
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Cc: Коля Красный
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Decision of WLM in Ukraine organizers not to submit 
photos for the international round

 

Olga, thank you for your message, I think it's very important to know the 
insight of this decision.

And at the time when I agree with your decision to not to take responsibility 
for the risks that are (sadly still) exist for the photographers, I can not 
agree with your assumption that Wikimedians of Russia "are living normal life".

Yes, bombs are not falling onto our homes but we are having risks of other 
nature that can have same, or even worse consequences. And I'm not talking 
about mobilization that have already took few of my acquaintances, involuntary. 
I'm taking about a condition of a society when any person photographing 
anything in public can be understood by police or even by bystanders as a treat 
with a very bad result. I, personally, had a very rough conversations with 
random people on streets during my personal or even our user group photowalks. 
After the beginning of mobilization I even asked our affiliate members to 
terminate all of the photographing activities and offline events.

I'm talking about an enormous emotional pressure when authorities claim 
Wikimedia Movement as their enemy and Wikimedians as traitors and a treat to 
the "only truth". And, adding to that, some of our fellow Wikimedians are 
trying to treat us bad just because of our citizenship.

We can't get any support or appreciation from both our compatriots and people 
who share our views. We can be claimed as a treat and jailed or even killed in 
our country in any day and at the same time there are some people in the 
movement who wants us out.

Yes, what happens in Ukraine is a mess (there should be another word for that, 
but my English is not perfect, so I know only obscene synonyms) and should not 
happen anywhere and anytime. If I could do more that I've done already to stop 
that — I'd do it. But don't think that you are the only one struggling. That 
would be a bit selfish even in these damn conditions.

Cultural heritage topic was always aside of world politics and I hoped this 
time it would stay the same. Keeping in mind number of losses of Ukrainian 
heritage monuments I think that work made by Wikimedia community on 
photodocumenting them and maintenancing the database is one of the coolest 
thing humanity made so far. And all we've done in WLM along the years was 
dedicated to that. I hope that this horrible actions of a part of a Russian 
society will not intervene our productive work on that field.

--
Sorry if I've offended someone.
Nikolai Bulykin (User:Красный)
North-West Russia Wiki-Historians User Group

четверг, 15 декабря 2022г., 02:44 +06:00 от Olga Milianovych 
olga.milianov...@wikimedia.org.ua:




Hi all,

 

On behalf of the organizing team for Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine I’m 
writing to inform you of our decision not to submit photos for the 
international round. 

 

Traditionally, Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine has been one of the biggest WLM 
local contests in the world, as well as among the biggest projects supported by 
Wikimedia Ukraine.

 

This year, Ukraine and subsequently the contest has suffered from Russia’s 
full-scale invasion. Particularly, for security reasons the organizers had to 
limit submissions only to photos taken before February 24th, 2022, which is the 
date when Russia openly invaded Ukraine.

 

Despite the limitations, we managed to organize the contest in 2022 and attract 
almost 14,000 photos of Ukrainian cultural heritage from almost 300 
participants. They illustrate over 5,300 monuments, including 351 monuments 
depicted for the first time.

 

However, the local organizers will not be submitting Ukrainian photos for the 
international round because of the international organizers’ decisions to 
accept photos from Russia on the international stage. To be clear, we do not 
support this decision and had asked the international team not to accept 
Russian photos in the international round. 

 

While we fully support the spread of free knowledge in various forms, we 
believe that it is not appropriate to promote on the international level photos 
from the country that wages a brutal war against Ukraine, kills thousands of 
Ukrainians – and systematically destroys and steals Ukrainian cultural, 
architectural and archaeological monuments. 

 

Besides, Russia’s war has deprived Ukrainian photos of equal conditions in the 
competition. While daily life in Russia continues largely as normal, Ukrainian 
photographers have had to operate in extremely difficult conditions and under 
many limitations – both the formal ones imposed for security reasons and the 
overall situation in Ukraine (power blackouts, problems with 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Long Reddit post laying out inner workings of English Wikipedia

[Peter Southwood]

Last I heard, Wikipedia is not for sale, so not much point in persuading
someone to try to buy it. Also some real competition could be good for
Wikipedia, and for that matter, good for the Wikimedia Foundation. It would
also be very interesting to see how a real challenge to English Wikipedia
would be organized. All the previous attempts have failed, often quite
dismally. If it were to work better, many of us would probably join it, if
it turns out to be a thing one could join. 
Many of us are loyal to the concept of free knowledge, not so much to the
platform it is presented on.
Cheers,
Peter

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To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Cc: reybue...@proton.me
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English Wikipedia

The last part of the great wall of text appears to persuade him to invest in
alternatives instead of buying Wikipedia. For him Wiki is like a sole
McDonald's in a food dessert, and that the solution is to open new
"restaurants".
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Long Reddit post laying out inner workings of English Wikipedia

[Peter Southwood]

Bit of jumping to conclusions there. ("a lot" does not imply "all",  and
labelling things that are "fairly obvious" as an "open secret" is also a
distortion of reality )
Cheers,
Peter

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English Wikipedia

"A lot of it is fairly obvious"

So all the problems he described are already an open secret here, right? If
so then that's disheartening.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Most visited articles in 2022

[Samuel Klein]

I love this.  The Nigeria data (23M views for *Search* pages, 5M for *main
pages*, 7M for the entire rest of the list!) is a reminder of how important
those are to readers + perhaps how high bounce rates are...  Small
improvements there make huge improvements to site experience :)  Maybe also
improvements to how easily people can get the right search result without
being taken to a special:search page!   It would be great to see a
*country* facet
on topviews

.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 5:53 PM Hal Triedman  wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> Looks like Isaac and I had the same thought here. I also spent ~45 minutes
> hacking together a script that collects the top (up to) 500 pages for a
> given country from 1 December 2021 through 30 November 2022 using the WMF
> pageviews API . All
> of the datasets are relatively small and available for download and free
> use
> .
> Code for generating these lists is available on the WMF gitlab instance
> , and runs in
> ~3.5 hours on a normal Macbook, if anyone wants to download/fork it and try
> it on their own.
>
> There are only 135 ISO codes included in this set of files — I removed
> codes that WMF doesn't release data about or that have no data reported for
> the 365 day period in question. Let me know if you have any questions, and
> hope this helps!
>
> Hal
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 8:18 AM Isaac Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Romaine,
>> Building on Chico's comment, I put together an example notebook of how to
>> estimate such a list from the public data in case you're curious (I
>> calculated it for January-November for Nigeria in the example). It's not a
>> perfect approach in that it makes some assumptions and uses incomplete data
>> but probably is close to what the actual list would be (details in the
>> link). You'd likely want to use your knowledge of the region/languages to
>> filter out pages like Special:Search and bot-driven views that slipped
>> through into the data (like Cookie and Cleopatra in the example below).
>>
>> Notebook:
>> https://public.paws.wmcloud.org/User:Isaac_(WMF)/Top_Read_2022_Geo.ipynb#Example-Results-(Nigeria-for-2022)
>>
>> It makes use of these public Wikimedia resources:
>> * PAWS infrastructure: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/PAWS
>> * Pageviews API:
>> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/AQS/Pageviews
>> * Python mwviews library for interacting with the pageviews API:
>> https://github.com/mediawiki-utilities/python-mwviews
>>
>> You can read instructions for how to copy this notebook and run it for
>> other countries here:
>> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/PAWS/Getting_started_with_PAWS#Fork
>>
>> Best,
>> Isaac
>>
>> Copying the top-100 output for Nigeria below for ease of access:
>>
>> article views
>> 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search 13696500
>> 2 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookie_(informatique) 10754500
>> 3 https://ig.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search 7579900
>> 4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page 5502800
>> 5 https://ig.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihü_kárírí:Search 1791900
>> 6 https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy 87
>> 7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bet9ja 664700
>> 8 https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use 646900
>> 9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXX 624200
>> 10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria 491700
>> 11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra 429900
>> 12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II 328400
>> 13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bola_Tinubu 320300
>> 14 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXX_(film_series) 234700
>> 15 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Africa_2022/en
>> 230600
>> 16 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Obi 229000
>> 17 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Adeboye 197300
>> 18
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2022_in_Nigeria
>> 154600
>> 19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXX:_Return_of_Xander_Cage 143000
>> 20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin 131100
>> 21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War 122700
>> 22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_(beer) 116800
>> 23 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_III 114600
>> 24 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa_Cup_of_Nations 112300
>> 25 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer 110300
>> 26 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_Datti_Baba-Ahmed 108700
>> 27 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristiano_Ronaldo 106300
>> 28
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2022_in_South_West_Nigeria
>> 99700
>> 29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atiku_Abubakar 91800
>> 30 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup 91300
>> 31 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO 86300
>> 32 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erling_Haaland 84800
>> 33 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Decision of WLM in Ukraine organizers not to submit photos for the international round

[Коля Красный via Wikimedia-l]

Olga, thank you for your message, I think it's very important to know the 
insight of this decision.
And at the time when I agree with your decision to not to take responsibility 
for the risks that are (sadly still) exist for the photographers, I can not 
agree with your assumption that Wikimedians of Russia "are living normal life".
Yes, bombs are not falling onto our homes but we are having risks of other 
nature that can have same, or even worse consequences. And I'm not talking 
about mobilization that have already took few of my acquaintances, involuntary. 
I'm taking about a condition of a society when any person photographing 
anything in public can be understood by police or even by bystanders as a treat 
with a very bad result. I, personally, had a very rough conversations with 
random people on streets during my personal or even our user group photowalks. 
After the beginning of mobilization I even asked our affiliate members to 
terminate all of the photographing activities and offline events.
I'm talking about an enormous emotional pressure when authorities claim 
Wikimedia Movement as their enemy and Wikimedians as traitors and a treat to 
the "only truth". And, adding to that, some of our fellow Wikimedians are 
trying to treat us bad just because of our citizenship.
We can't get any support or appreciation from both our compatriots and people 
who share our views. We can be claimed as a treat and jailed or even killed in 
our country in any day and at the same time there are some people in the 
movement who wants us out.
Yes, what happens in Ukraine is a mess (there should be another word for that, 
but my English is not perfect, so I know only obscene synonyms) and should not 
happen anywhere and anytime. If I could do more that I've done already to stop 
that — I'd do it. But don't think that you are the only one struggling. That 
would be a bit selfish even in these damn conditions.
Cultural heritage topic was always aside of world politics and I hoped this 
time it would stay the same. Keeping in mind number of losses of Ukrainian 
heritage monuments I think that work made by Wikimedia community on 
photodocumenting them and maintenancing the database is one of the coolest 
thing humanity made so far. And all we've done in WLM along the years was 
dedicated to that. I hope that this horrible actions of a part of a Russian 
society will not intervene our productive work on that field.
--
Sorry if I've offended someone.
Nikolai Bulykin (User:Красный)
North-West Russia Wiki-Historians User Group четверг, 15 декабря 2022г., 02:44 
+06:00 от Olga Milianovych  olga.milianov...@wikimedia.org.ua :

>Hi all,
>
>On behalf of the organizing team for Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine I’m 
>writing to inform you of our decision not to submit photos for the 
>international round. 
>
>Traditionally, Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine has been one of the biggest WLM 
>local contests in the world, as well as among the biggest projects supported 
>by Wikimedia Ukraine.
>
>This year, Ukraine and subsequently the contest has suffered from Russia’s 
>full-scale invasion. Particularly, for security reasons the organizers had to 
>limit submissions only to photos taken before February 24th, 2022, which is 
>the date when Russia openly invaded Ukraine.
>
>Despite the limitations, we managed to organize the contest in 2022 and 
>attract almost 14,000 photos of Ukrainian cultural heritage from almost 300 
>participants. They illustrate over 5,300 monuments, including 351 monuments 
>depicted for the first time.
>
>However, the local organizers will not be submitting Ukrainian photos for the 
>international round because of the international organizers’ decisions to 
>accept photos from Russia on the international stage. To be clear, we do not 
>support this decision and had asked the international team not to accept 
>Russian photos in the international round. 
>
>While we fully support the spread of free knowledge in various forms, we 
>believe that it is not appropriate to promote on the international level 
>photos from the country that wages a brutal war against Ukraine, kills 
>thousands of Ukrainians – and systematically destroys and steals Ukrainian 
>cultural, architectural and archaeological monuments. 
>
>Besides, Russia’s war has deprived Ukrainian photos of equal conditions in the 
>competition. While daily life in Russia continues largely as normal, Ukrainian 
>photographers have had to operate in extremely difficult conditions and under 
>many limitations – both the formal ones imposed for security reasons and the 
>overall situation in Ukraine (power blackouts, problems with internet 
>connectivity, personal hardship etc.)
>
>Therefore, we cannot accept Ukrainian photos competing alongside Russian ones 
>– we do not think that in current circumstances it is the right thing to 
>announce which Ukrainian photos are better and which are worse than Russian 
>ones.
>
>We are grateful to Ukrainian 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Most visited articles in 2022

[James Gaunt]

That's really great to see. Is there a way to see most edited by location
too?

Thanks

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supports the efforts of the Wikimedia Foundation in Australia. We
acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of the lands upon which we live,
work and share knowledge.


On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 9:54 AM Hal Triedman  wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> Looks like Isaac and I had the same thought here. I also spent ~45 minutes
> hacking together a script that collects the top (up to) 500 pages for a
> given country from 1 December 2021 through 30 November 2022 using the WMF
> pageviews API . All
> of the datasets are relatively small and available for download and free
> use
> .
> Code for generating these lists is available on the WMF gitlab instance
> , and runs in
> ~3.5 hours on a normal Macbook, if anyone wants to download/fork it and try
> it on their own.
>
> There are only 135 ISO codes included in this set of files — I removed
> codes that WMF doesn't release data about or that have no data reported for
> the 365 day period in question. Let me know if you have any questions, and
> hope this helps!
>
> Hal
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 8:18 AM Isaac Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Romaine,
>> Building on Chico's comment, I put together an example notebook of how to
>> estimate such a list from the public data in case you're curious (I
>> calculated it for January-November for Nigeria in the example). It's not a
>> perfect approach in that it makes some assumptions and uses incomplete data
>> but probably is close to what the actual list would be (details in the
>> link). You'd likely want to use your knowledge of the region/languages to
>> filter out pages like Special:Search and bot-driven views that slipped
>> through into the data (like Cookie and Cleopatra in the example below).
>>
>> Notebook:
>> https://public.paws.wmcloud.org/User:Isaac_(WMF)/Top_Read_2022_Geo.ipynb#Example-Results-(Nigeria-for-2022)
>>
>> It makes use of these public Wikimedia resources:
>> * PAWS infrastructure: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/PAWS
>> * Pageviews API:
>> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/AQS/Pageviews
>> * Python mwviews library for interacting with the pageviews API:
>> https://github.com/mediawiki-utilities/python-mwviews
>>
>> You can read instructions for how to copy this notebook and run it for
>> other countries here:
>> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/PAWS/Getting_started_with_PAWS#Fork
>>
>> Best,
>> Isaac
>>
>> Copying the top-100 output for Nigeria below for ease of access:
>>
>> article views
>> 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search 13696500
>> 2 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookie_(informatique) 10754500
>> 3 https://ig.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search 7579900
>> 4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page 5502800
>> 5 https://ig.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihü_kárírí:Search 1791900
>> 6 https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy 87
>> 7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bet9ja 664700
>> 8 https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use 646900
>> 9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXX 624200
>> 10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria 491700
>> 11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra 429900
>> 12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II 328400
>> 13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bola_Tinubu 320300
>> 14 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXX_(film_series) 234700
>> 15 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Africa_2022/en
>> 230600
>> 16 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Obi 229000
>> 17 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Adeboye 197300
>> 18
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2022_in_Nigeria
>> 154600
>> 19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXX:_Return_of_Xander_Cage 143000
>> 20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin 131100
>> 21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War 122700
>> 22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_(beer) 116800
>> 23 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_III 114600
>> 24 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa_Cup_of_Nations 112300
>> 25 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer 110300
>> 26 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_Datti_Baba-Ahmed 108700
>> 27 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristiano_Ronaldo 106300
>> 28
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2022_in_South_West_Nigeria
>> 99700
>> 29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atiku_Abubakar 91800
>> 30 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup 91300
>> 31 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO 86300
>> 32 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erling_Haaland 84800
>> 33 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–Ukraine_relations 84300
>> 34 

[Wikimedia-l] Decision of WLM in Ukraine organizers not to submit photos for the international round

[Olga Milianovych]

Hi all,

On behalf of the organizing team for Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine I’m
writing to inform you of our decision not to submit photos for the
international round.

Traditionally, Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine has been one of the biggest
WLM local contests in the world, as well as among the biggest projects
supported by Wikimedia Ukraine.

This year, Ukraine and subsequently the contest has suffered from Russia’s
full-scale invasion. Particularly, for security reasons the organizers had
to limit submissions only to photos taken before February 24th, 2022, which
is the date when Russia openly invaded Ukraine.

Despite the limitations, we managed to organize the contest in 2022 and
attract almost 14,000 photos of Ukrainian cultural heritage from almost 300
participants. They illustrate over 5,300 monuments, including 351 monuments
depicted for the first time.

However, the local organizers will not be submitting Ukrainian photos for
the international round because of the international organizers’ decisions
to accept photos from Russia on the international stage. To be clear, we do
not support this decision and had asked the international team not to
accept Russian photos in the international round.

While we fully support the spread of free knowledge in various forms, we
believe that it is not appropriate to promote on the international level
photos from the country that wages a brutal war against Ukraine, kills
thousands of Ukrainians – and systematically destroys and steals Ukrainian
cultural, architectural and archaeological monuments.

Besides, Russia’s war has deprived Ukrainian photos of equal conditions in
the competition. While daily life in Russia continues largely as normal,
Ukrainian photographers have had to operate in extremely difficult
conditions and under many limitations – both the formal ones imposed for
security reasons and the overall situation in Ukraine (power blackouts,
problems with internet connectivity, personal hardship etc.)

Therefore, we cannot accept Ukrainian photos competing alongside Russian
ones – we do not think that in current circumstances it is the right thing
to announce which Ukrainian photos are better and which are worse than
Russian ones.

We are grateful to Ukrainian participants and volunteers who have made the
contest possible this year against the odds, as well as to international
organizers for their hard work in supporting the largest photo contest in
the Wikimedia ecosystem.

Best regards,
Olga Milianovych
Member of the organizing committee for Wiki Loves Monuments in Ukraine

(Disclaimer: Antanana is a member of the Wiki Loves Monuments Ukraine
organizing committee. Due to her currently serving on the Wikimedia
Foundation Board of Trustees she recused herself from taking part in
discussions and making decisions on this topic).
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Long Reddit post laying out inner workings of English Wikipedia

[Dennis During]

Which reply supports some of his and Musk's points.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 1:25 PM Dan Rosenthal  wrote:

> Man, that essay reads like someone spent a grand total of 5 days reading
> Wikipedia policies, ventured into some politically fraught articles with a
> right-wing agenda, got taken to AN/I for it, and subsequently blocked or
> banned.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 6:41 AM Vi to  wrote:
>
>> I don't know whether crossing the line "musk [...] fixing [...]
>> Wikipedia" gives me more disgust or fear.
>>
>> Vito
>>
>> Il giorno lun 12 dic 2022 alle ore 05:12 reybueno1--- via Wikimedia-l <
>> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> ha scritto:
>>
>>> This just up in /r/trueunpopularopinion and YCombinator:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueUnpopularOpinion/comments/zieyyf/wikipedia_is_not_so_great_and_is_overrated/
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoted below because it was explicitly released under public domain:
>>>
>>> You all have heard by now that Elon Musk said that Wikipedia has a "left
>>> wing bias" when the article about Twitter Files had been suggested for
>>> deletion. This has been received with mixed responses from liberals and
>>> conservatives alike; the former dismissing it as "an attack on free
>>> knowledge" and the latter cheering the move as "against censorship" and
>>> vindication of their beliefs that Big Tech is biased against them.
>>>
>>> True, Wikipedia is supposedly editable by anyone around the world and I
>>> had been an on and off editor there for years mostly doing small-ish edits
>>> like fixing typos and reverting obvious vandalism. This is done while on IP
>>> as opposed to using accounts because I would rather that some edits (i.e.
>>> sensitive topics like religious and political areas) not tied to my name
>>> and identity. However, reality is far from the preferred sugar-coated
>>> description of Wikipedia, particularly its editing community.
>>>
>>> The editing community in overall is best described as a slightly
>>> hierarchical and militaristic "do everything right" structure,
>>> traditionally associated with Dell and recently Foxconn and now-defunct
>>> Theranos. Exceptions apply in quieter and outlier areas such as local
>>> geography and space, usually the top entry points for new users wanting to
>>> try their first hand. There are higher tolerance of good-faith mistakes
>>> such as point-of-view problems and using unreliable resources, which are
>>> usually explained in detail on how to correct by them rather than a mere
>>> warning template or even an abrupt block.
>>>
>>> Ultimately those sub-communities which can be said as populated by
>>> exopedians, have relatively little to no power over the wider and core
>>> communities, mostly dominated by metapedians. A third group called
>>> mesopedians often alternates between these inner and outer workings.
>>> Communities can have shared topical interest which are grouped by
>>> WikiProject, an example being WikiProject Science
>>>
>>> I spend a lot of time casually browsing through edit wars (can be so
>>> lame at times) like a fly on the wall, along with meta venues of Wikipedia
>>> such as Articles for Deletion, Centralized discussion Neutral Point of View
>>> Noticeboard, Biographical of Living Persons Noticeboard, Conflict of
>>> Interest Noticeboard, Administrator's Noticeboard Incidents, Sockpuppet
>>> investigations, Arbitration Committee noticeboard which is the "supreme
>>> court" in Wikipedia community for serious behavioral and conduct disputes.
>>> Therefore I can sum up how the editing community really functions, although
>>> not really as extensive as you might expect because I am not a
>>> "Wikipedioholic" with respect to inner workings.
>>>
>>> Deletionism and inclusionism
>>> This has been very perennial and core reasons for just about any
>>> disputes on Wikipedia ever D Deletionists treat Wikipedia as another
>>> "regular encyclopedia" where information has to be limited once it become
>>> very much to be covered; like cutting out junk, while inclusionists treats
>>> Wikipedia as a comprehensive encyclopedia not bound by papers and thus can
>>> afford to cover as much information as it can take; one man's junk could be
>>> another man's treasure. Personally I support the latter and often the
>>> conflict between two editing ideologies leads to factionalism, where
>>> attempts to understand mutual feelings and perspectives are inadequate or
>>> even none at all.
>>>
>>> There are no absolute standards of what defines "encyclopedic knowledge"
>>> and "notability". Inclusionism posits that almost everything could become
>>> valuable and encyclopedic in the future, even if they're aren't today. An
>>> example I can think of is events, figures and stories from World War II.
>>> Deletionism has been closely related to "academic standard kicks" and rely
>>> on the premise that Wikipedia has to be of high standard and concise. There
>>> are people who deem an addition of something as useful, and there are 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Long Reddit post laying out inner workings of English Wikipedia

[Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l]

The last part of the great wall of text appears to persuade him to invest in 
alternatives instead of buying Wikipedia. For him Wiki is like a sole 
McDonald's in a food dessert, and that the solution is to open new 
"restaurants".
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Long Reddit post laying out inner workings of English Wikipedia

[Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l]

"A lot of it is fairly obvious"

So all the problems he described are already an open secret here, right? If so 
then that's disheartening.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: December Wikimedia Foundation Board Meeting Outcomes

[Samuel Klein]

Nataliia -- Thank you for posting these so promptly, I know it is harder
than it looks.  Sam.


On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 10:19 AM Nataliia Tymkiv 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees met for their final meeting of
> 2022 on December 7. Two members of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee
> (MCDC) – Érica Azzellini and Manavpreet Kaur – were invited to join the
> meeting as Board Visitors
> .
>
> == Board Business ==
>
> Quite a bit of regularly scheduled Board business was covered, including:
>
>-
>
>Appointing Mike Peel [1] to the Board and reappointing Shani Evenstein
>Sigalov to her second term [2]. Their terms will run from December 7, 2022
>until December 31, 2025. You can read more about Mike and Shani here on
>Diff [3].
>-
>
>Most of the work of the Board is done via its committees. Each year
>each Trustee’s committee assignments are approved to serve on individual
>Board committees, either as full members or as alternates. The new
>membership is listed here [4].
>-
>
>The Board also approved the September 8 Board meeting minutes [5].
>
>
> == Governance Reforms ==
>
> During the meeting, the Board also approved changes to the Affiliations
> Committee Charter [6]. Also, the Community Affairs Committee (CAC) is to
> oversee the Affiliations Committee on behalf of the board from now on, and
> will be responsible for any future revision of the Affiliations Committee
> Charter, and for appointing Board Liaisons. CAC will likewise be providing
> oversight to the Language Committee [7]. These changes will help CAC to
> work more directly with the advising Board committees, to assess and
> provide support, and to make changes quicker if needed.
>
> == 2022 Board Selection Review ==
>
> The Board also received an update from the Governance Committee on their
> recent meeting with the Elections Committee in November. The past selection
> process was challenging because of the lack of clarity on the roles of all
> the bodies involved. The Board acknowledges that the process became
> overcomplicated, and changes mid-process added more confusion and
> frustration. For the next Board selection process, there would be more
> clearly defined roles for the Elections Committee, the Governance Committee
> / Board Selection Task Force, and Foundation staff, to avoid slowdowns and
> lack of clarity on process. These updated roles and responsibilities will
> be made public to help voters and candidates understand how decisions are
> being made. The Board agreed with the recommendation from the Governance
> Committee to seat Trustees in 2024 at the December board meeting, so that
> there is enough time to plan the next selection process, and make all
> necessary changes to the SecurePoll software etc.
>
> == Foundation Updates ==
>
> During the meeting the Board also received a report from staff on the
> current financial outlook as well as an update on year-end fundraising
> revenue: the first week
> of
> the revised banner campaign on the English Wikipedia shows a roughly 50%
> decline in donations. As this was information for only one week, the Board
> needs more data to understand the implications, and will therefore be
> meeting again with staff in January to discuss next steps.
>
> After the Board meeting there was an open Q session with Foundation
> staff, to discuss the meeting outcomes, and the fundraising data.
>
> == 2023 Meeting Dates ==
>
> The regular 2023 Board meeting dates have been set and the Board will be
> meeting:
>
>-
>
>March 9-12, New York, USA
>-
>
>June 21 (Virtual)
>-
>
>August (Wikimania, Singapore, the exact date(s) TBD)
>-
>
>December 6 (Virtual)
>
>
> == Open Conversation with Trustees on December 15 ==
>
> I hope to see you at the upcoming CAC Open Conversation with Trustees
> ,
> happening December 15, at 12:00 UTC, on Zoom (write to
> ask@wikimedia.org if you would like to register). As usual, the call
> will be recorded, and there will be a live YouTube stream. This call will
> have interpretation into Arabic. As communicated before, the aim is to
> provide interpretation for any language where there are five or more
> interested community members, but as mentioned on the page, the requests
> should have been made at least 5 days before the event.
>
> [1]
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Appointing_Mike_Peel_to_the_Board_of_Trustees
>
> [2]
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Renewing_Shani_Evenstein_Sigalov%E2%80%99s_Appointment_to_the_Board_of_Trustees,_2022
>
> [3]
> 

[Wikimedia-l] Invitation to episode 19 of WikiAfrica Hour

[Ceslause Ogbonnaya]

Dear all,

I'm glad to invite you to episode 19 of WikiAfrica Hour, titled "*Free,
Open & Cool.*"

This episode is dedicated to discussion around what criteria a tool should
meet to be used in the Wikimedia and Open movement, tool development,
and maintenance. The episode will include a watch-party of the 2022
Wikimedia Coolest tool awards.

The episode will host User:Eugene233
, a volunteer developer in
the Wikimedia movement. He is a member of the Wikimedians of Cameroon User
Group
,
and has worked with open source communities like CiviCRM
. He was a volunteer developer on Wikispeech
 with Wikimedia SE
. He developed and is
maintaining the FormWizard extension
 for Mediawiki. He's one
of the folks behind the ISA Tool
 development and
maintenance. He recently has been involved in the development of the Scribe
 tool. He is currently assisting
the Africa Wikimedia Developers Project
 as
technical lead, and mentoring developers under the Wiki Mentor Africa
program.

Date: 16th December 2022
Time: 16:30 UTC
Details: w.wiki/5dft

Regards,
Ceslause Ogbonnaya
*Host, WikiAfrica Hour*
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's annual report for 2021

[Anton Protsiuk]

Hi all,

I'm writing to highlight that Wikimedia Ukraine's annual activity report
for 2021 has been publicly available on Meta [1].

In 2021, we continued to execute our multi-year strategy [2], which
includes five directions – enriching content of Wikipedia and its sister
projects, increasing participation in the Wikimedia projects, supporting
and helping develop the existing community, increasing public awareness
about Wikimedia, and advocating for policy changes needed to advance free
knowledge (notably freedom of panorama in Ukraine).

Some of the highlights in 2021 include supporting the Wiki Loves Earth
photo competition on the international scale; holding a big Wiki Loves
Monuments in Ukraine contest; organizing multiple campaigns to bridge
gender gap on Ukrainian-language Wikipedia and Wikiquote; publishing a
handbook on Wikipedia for teachers as part of our Wikipedia in Education
program; holding a hybrid all-Ukrainian Wikiconference; working with news
media publishers & supporting multiple social media channels to spread
awareness of Wikipedia and WMUA's projects.

If you are interested in reading about some of the case studies in greater
detail, we published articles on Diff about our experience organizing the
WikiGap 2021 campaign in Ukraine [3], as well as providing scholarships for
online conferences [4].

All of that happened before the Russian full-scale invasion of Ukraine,
which started in February of 2022. Despite Russia continuing to wage its
war against Ukraine, Wikimedia Ukraine has kept operating in 2022 – both
assisting community members in need and supporting previously planned
projects like Wiki Loves Earth internationally, Wiki Loves Monuments in
Ukraine, and much more.

We will share a detailed report on our 2022 activity in early 2023, but in
the meantime you can review slides from our presentations on the Ukrainian
community during the war [5] and Wikimedia Ukraine's approach to planning
our future activities [6], as well as read some of the personal stories of
volunteers affected by Russia's invasion [7].

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Simple/Applications/Wikimedia_Ukraine/2021#Final_report
[2] https://ua.wikimedia.org/?curid=7089
[3]
https://diff.wikimedia.org/2021/05/20/wikigap-2021-in-ukraine-results-and-insights-from-organizers/
[4]
https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/03/21/what-wikimedia-ukraine-learned-by-providing-scholarships-for-online-conferences-in-2021/
[5] https://bit.ly/3FpHAT7
[6] https://w.wiki/677V
[7]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Stories_of_Ukrainian_Wikimedians_during_the_war

Best Regards
Anton Protsiuk
Programs Coordinator at Wikimedia Ukraine
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