[Wikimedia-l] Re: Chat GPT

[Steven Walling]

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 9:47 PM Gergő Tisza  wrote:

> Just to give a sense of scale: OpenAI started with a $1 billion donation,
> got another $1B as investment, and is now getting a larger investment from
> Microsoft (undisclosed but rumored to be $10B). Assuming they spent most of
> their previous funding, which seems likely, their operational costs are in
> the ballpark of $300 million per year. The idea that the WMF could just
> choose to create conversational software of a similar quality if it wanted
> seems detached from reality to me.
>

Without spending billions on LLM development to aim for a
conversational chatbot trying to pass a Turing test, we could definitely
try to catch up to the state of the art in search results. Our search
currently does a pretty bad job (in terms of recall especially). Today's
featured article in English is the Hot Chip album "Made in the Dark", and
if I enter anything but the exact article title the typeahead results are
woefully incomplete or wrong. If I ask an actual question, good luck.

Google is feeling vulnerable to OpenAI here in part because everyone can
see that their results are often full of low quality junk created for SEO,
while ChatGPT just gives a concise answer right there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Menu_(2022_film) is one of the top
viewed English articles. If I search "The Menu reviews" the Google results
are noisy and not so great. ChatGPT actually gives you nothing relevant
because it doesn't know anything from 2022. If we could just manage to
display the three sentence snippet of our article about the critical
response section of the article, it would be awesome. It's too bad that the
whole "knowledge engine" debacle poisoned the well when it comes to a
Wikipedia search engine, because we could definitely do a lot to learn from
what people like about ChatGPT and apply to Wikipedia search.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Chat GPT

[Gergő Tisza]

Just to give a sense of scale: OpenAI started with a $1 billion donation,
got another $1B as investment, and is now getting a larger investment from
Microsoft (undisclosed but rumored to be $10B). Assuming they spent most of
their previous funding, which seems likely, their operational costs are in
the ballpark of $300 million per year. The idea that the WMF could just
choose to create conversational software of a similar quality if it wanted
seems detached from reality to me.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Chat GPT

[Adam Sobieski]

Wikimedia Mailing List,


Hello. I just discovered this mailing list thread and am also interested in the 
topics of crowdsourcing and dialogue systems. I support the vision of 
man-machine collaboration and synergy indicated by Victoria Coleman.

With respect to the state of the art, modern dialogue systems include: ChatGPT 
by OpenAI, Sparrow by DeepMind, and TeachMe by AI2. These modern dialogue 
systems can interact with end-users conversationally about knowledge; some can 
cite their sources; and some can learn, on-the-fly, from operators in control 
centers, subject-matter experts, and/or broader crowdsourced communities.

Major search engine providers are, according to news reports, already, or soon 
will be, integrating modern dialogue systems. Will the Wikimedia Search 
Platform be exploring conversational search features?

User experiences for control center operators or for broader communities of 
editors to interact with that knowledge, that content, utilized by large-scale 
dialogue systems could be Wiki-based.

In theory, community dashboards, potentially personalized for each editor, 
could be provided for editors to determine which articles were popular or 
trending in terms of usage by dialogue systems' end-users, or otherwise 
determined to be in potential need of human review, moderation, or curation. 
These and other related approaches to community productivity enhancement could 
be of use for amplifying the performance of and synergy between communities of 
editors and AI systems.

In a recent bibliography [1], I reference some contemporary scholarly and 
scientific publications hoping to point to and to indicate that research is 
underway into how modern dialogue systems could interoperate with, interact 
with, both read from and write to, Wiki systems.





Best regards,

Adam

[1] http://www.phoster.com/dialogue-systems-and-information-retrieval/


From: Raymond Leonard 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 2:06 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Chat GPT

Of relevance to this conversation:

https://www.wired.com/story/large-language-models-artificial-intelligence/

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 9:32 AM Neurodivergent Netizen 
mailto:idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
One concern I have is that all “oldbies” like myself have all seen bots 
basically decay after whomever is maintaining goes inactive. Of course, this 
could be mostly rectified by having the AI be open source. This leaves the 
“people” aspect; that is, not only does the AI need to be maintained, but 
interest needs to be maintained as well.

From,
I dream of horses
She/her





On Dec 30, 2022, at 8:53 AM, Victoria Coleman 
mailto:vstavridoucole...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Anne,

Interestingly enough what these large companies have to spend a ton of money on 
is creating and moderating content. In other words people. Passionate 
volunteers in large numbers is what the movement has in abundance. Imagine the 
power of combining the talents and passion of our community members with the 
advances offered by AI today. I was struck recently during a visit to NVIDIA 
how language models have changed. Back in my day, we would have to build one 
language model per domain and then load it in to the device, a computer or a 
phone, to  use. Now they have one massive combined language model in a data 
center full of their GPUs which is there so long as you are connected. My sense 
is that within the guard rails offered by our volunteer community, we could use 
AI to force multiply their efforts and make knowledge even more accessible than 
it is today.  Both for those who create and record knowledge as well as those 
who consume it. In the case of Chat GPT, our volunteers could use supervised 
learning for example to narrow down the mistakes the bot makes - which should 
be many fewer that the Open AI version since the Wikipedia version would be 
trained on good, clean Wikipedia content which is constantly reviewed by the 
community.

Best regards,

Victoria Coleman

On Dec 30, 2022, at 12:21 AM, Risker 
mailto:risker...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Given what we already know about AI-like projects (think Siri, Alexis, etc), 
they're the result of work done by organizations utilizing resources hundreds 
of times greater than the resources within the entire Wikimedia movement, and 
they'renot all that good if we're being honest.  They're entirely dependent on 
existing resources.  We have seen time and again how easily they can be led 
astray; ChatGPT is just the most recent example.  It is full of misinformation. 
 Other efforts have resulted in the AI becoming radicalized.  Again, it's all 
about what sources the AI project uses in developing its responses, and those 
underlying sources are generally completely unknown to the person asking for 
the information.

Ironically, our volunteers have created software that learns pretty effectively 
(ORES, several anti-vandalism "bots").  The tough 

[Wikimedia-l] Block of Wikipedia in Pakistan

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia UK Strategic Report for 21/22

[Mike Peel]

Ah - apparently you don't just scroll through the page, you have to 
click on some of the slides to expand them. I missed that! (not 
something usual from a wiki perspective!)


Thanks,
Mike

On 03/02/2023 16:22, Mike Peel wrote:

It seems very brief - just a series of bullet points accompanied by images?

Thanks,
Mike

On 03/02/2023 16:19, João Alexandre Peschanski wrote:
Indeed, what a beautiful material. Very inspiring! Congratulations 
WMUK :) Best, João


Em sex., 3 de fev. de 2023 às 13:14, Andreas Kolbe > escreveu:


    Wow, what a gorgeously designed report!

    Beautiful to look at. Love it.

    Andreas


    On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 11:03 AM Lucy Crompton-Reid
    mailto:lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk>> wrote:

    Dear all


    Wikimedia UK has just published our Strategic Report for the
    financial year 2021/22. Excitingly, this is our first fully
    digital format, which we hope brings to life the breadth of
    Wikimedia UK’s activities and impact.


    You can find the report directly here
     or on our
    website under Strategic Report.


    Best wishes

    Lucy



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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia UK Strategic Report for 21/22

[Mike Peel]

It seems very brief - just a series of bullet points accompanied by images?

Thanks,
Mike

On 03/02/2023 16:19, João Alexandre Peschanski wrote:
Indeed, what a beautiful material. Very inspiring! Congratulations WMUK 
:) Best, João


Em sex., 3 de fev. de 2023 às 13:14, Andreas Kolbe > escreveu:


Wow, what a gorgeously designed report!

Beautiful to look at. Love it.

Andreas


On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 11:03 AM Lucy Crompton-Reid
mailto:lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk>> wrote:

Dear all


Wikimedia UK has just published our Strategic Report for the
financial year 2021/22. Excitingly, this is our first fully
digital format, which we hope brings to life the breadth of
Wikimedia UK’s activities and impact.


You can find the report directly here
 or on our
website under Strategic Report.


Best wishes

Lucy



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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia UK Strategic Report for 21/22

[João Alexandre Peschanski]

Indeed, what a beautiful material. Very inspiring! Congratulations WMUK :)
Best, João

Em sex., 3 de fev. de 2023 às 13:14, Andreas Kolbe 
escreveu:

> Wow, what a gorgeously designed report!
>
> Beautiful to look at. Love it.
>
> Andreas
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 11:03 AM Lucy Crompton-Reid <
> lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Dear all
>>
>>
>> Wikimedia UK has just published our Strategic Report for the financial
>> year 2021/22. Excitingly, this is our first fully digital format, which
>> we hope brings to life the breadth of Wikimedia UK’s activities and impact.
>>
>>
>> You can find the report directly here
>>  or on our website
>>  under Strategic Report.
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Lucy
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia UK Strategic Report for 21/22

[Andreas Kolbe]

Wow, what a gorgeously designed report!

Beautiful to look at. Love it.

Andreas


On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 11:03 AM Lucy Crompton-Reid <
lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Dear all
>
>
> Wikimedia UK has just published our Strategic Report for the financial
> year 2021/22. Excitingly, this is our first fully digital format, which
> we hope brings to life the breadth of Wikimedia UK’s activities and impact.
>
>
> You can find the report directly here
>  or on our website
>  under Strategic Report.
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Lucy
>
>
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