[Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong

[Andy Mabbett]

On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 at 22:14, James Heilman  wrote:
>
> We have Interactive graphs from OWID working

What are the accessibility implications of presenting data in this
manner? How is the data available to people with a visual impairment,
for instance?

Has anyone done an audit, to check compliance with WCAG [1]? Or
performance in screen-readers [2]?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Content_Accessibility_Guidelines

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_reader

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Commons isn't working in Pakistan

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On Sun, 31 Mar 2024, 08:15 Asad Jogi,  wrote:

This problem is also reported by me on phabricator
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T329264


I get "Access Denied: Restricted Task
You do not have permission to view this object." at that URL.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Mopping with the tap open

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On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 at 13:58, Romaine Wiki  wrote:

> I logged out, went to an article and clicked edit. Made some modifications 
> (in the Visual Editor), and then clicked Publish changes. In the steps I took 
> to edit the article, I got nowhere a message that Wikipedia wants to have 
> sources for the information I added.

English Wikipedia has a notice to this effect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Editpage-head-copy-warn

Discussion about improving it (and some objections to it) is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Editpage-head-copy-warn

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Bulk change of licence for Flickr images without paying: Can WMF help?

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On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 at 23:13, Fiona Romeo  wrote:

> I agree that it would be good to make it easier for Flickr photographers to 
> relicense their images for use on our projects. I can raise this through our 
> collaboration with the Flickr Foundation.

Thank you. I've replied off-list.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Bulk change of licence for Flickr images without paying: Can WMF help?

[Andy Mabbett]

I've already asked George; it was she who suggested trying Flickr directly

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On Wed, 6 Mar 2024, 23:16 Željko Blaće,  wrote:

> Hi George - would you be able to help with this?
> (I came across same issue but for lower amount of images)
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 5:21 PM Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
>
>> I have come across two cases in recent weeks, where Flickr users have
>> hundreds of potentially useful images that they are willing to change
>> to an open licence, so that we can use them on Commons, and in
>> Wikipedia and sibling projects.
>>
>> In each case, those users are not Flickr "Pro" (paid account)
>> subscribers, and the feature to bulk change image licences is only
>> available to Pro subscribers. Changing on an image-by-image basis is
>> clearly untenable.
>>
>> While it is possible for a Wikimedia volunteer to buy as a gift a
>> week-long pro subscription for a few US$, we should not have to, and I
>> wonder if it would benefit the movement for the Foundation to ask
>> Flickr to make the feature available for non-Pro users, who wish to
>> make their images freely reusable? Do WMF have a suitable contact at
>> Flickr?
>>
>> Who at WMF should I talk with about this?
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Bulk change of licence for Flickr images without paying: Can WMF help?

[Andy Mabbett]

I have come across two cases in recent weeks, where Flickr users have
hundreds of potentially useful images that they are willing to change
to an open licence, so that we can use them on Commons, and in
Wikipedia and sibling projects.

In each case, those users are not Flickr "Pro" (paid account)
subscribers, and the feature to bulk change image licences is only
available to Pro subscribers. Changing on an image-by-image basis is
clearly untenable.

While it is possible for a Wikimedia volunteer to buy as a gift a
week-long pro subscription for a few US$, we should not have to, and I
wonder if it would benefit the movement for the Foundation to ask
Flickr to make the feature available for non-Pro users, who wish to
make their images freely reusable? Do WMF have a suitable contact at
Flickr?

Who at WMF should I talk with about this?

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[Wikimedia-l] Hiba Abu Nada, RIP

[Andy Mabbett]

I just learned that a Wikimedian, Hiba Abu Nada, was one of the
casualties in Gaza. She was 32, and died on 20 October, during an
airstrike.

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiba_Abu_Nada

May the region soon be at peace.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia

[Andy Mabbett]

On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

Justapedia
>

It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows
"disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in
determining "truth" suggests.

But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly:

"The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions
regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve
to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are
required to have a high level, native understanding of written English"

Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...]
>

Oh, please. Do better than that.


[1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png

[2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikinews Facebook page hacked?

[Andy Mabbett]

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 13:37, Jeromy-Yu Chan (Jerry~Yuyu)
 wrote:

> https://www.facebook.com/wikinews

> There is a weird explicit video in the story of the page.

Gione now, thankfully; presumably deleted by Facebook.

> I wonder is it in anyone’s power to make sure it is under WMF’s control or it 
> is left to no one we know is holding it.

The contact email address on the group is on a domain that belonged to
a Wikimedian who sadly died three years ago; the domain is now
squatted.

Someone was posting as "Wikinews" as recently as August last year,
though, so the page may still be viable.


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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimania Program schedule

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On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, 03:15 Butch Bustria,  wrote:

> ...the master copy of the schedule...

Is this session really only two minutes long?

https://pretalx.com/wm2023/schedule/#2023-08-16

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: New draft chapters out for review

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On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 at 18:13, Movement Charter Drafting Committee
 wrote:

> The first set of draft chapter that we are sharing today focuses on the 
> Global Council,

The table captioned [1] "Example of a tranche system for a Global
Council of 17 people" is unreadable; please adhere to WCAG (web
accessibility) guidelines on colour contrast. They are summarised at:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility#Color

and the reasons for following them. in our movement especially, are
explained further at:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Colour_contrast

Likewise, File:GC structure (1).jpg, which is an image of text, has no
alt attribute. Please fix that, too.


[1] Caption correctly applied, here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council=prev=25298855

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: ChatGPT as a reliable source

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On Wed, 17 May 2023 at 08:08, Kiril Simeonovski
 wrote:

> Can ChatGPT be used as a reliable source and, if yes, how would the citation 
> look like?

I asked Google Bard "who is Andy Mabbett" the other day. In three
short paragraphs, there were five serious mistakes, including the
wrong year of birth; the wrong subject for my degree, and the
completely false:

   He is best known for his work on the Wikipedia article about Pink Floyd,
   which he has been the primary editor of since 2007.


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[Wikimedia-l] Saudi Arabia jails two Wikipedia staff [SIC] in ‘bid to control content’

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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jan/05/saudi-arabia-jails-two-wikipedia-staff-in-bid-to-control-content

"Administrators jailed for 32 years, and eight years, as activists
warn of ploy to infiltrate website... Two high-ranking “admins” –
volunteer administrators with privileged access to Wikipedia,
including the ability to edit fully protected pages – have been
imprisoned since they were arrested on the same day in September
2020..."



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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?

[Andy Mabbett]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 10:18, Peter Southwood
 wrote:

> If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF themselves 
> do not
> own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who created the text. They 
> can take
> this up with Google,

All of the above is true.

> the WMF cannot

That is not true. The WMF cannot sue Google as a copyright holder.
However, there is nothing stopping WM from raising the issue with
Google, and gently reminding them of their obligations. Indeed, that
would probably be more effective than individual editors doing so.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: @Wikipedia losing opportunities in Twitter

[Andy Mabbett]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 at 18:48, Lauren Dickinson  wrote:

> Also, Andy, we will follow up this week regarding your questions
> about the @WiktionaryUsers and @Wiktionary accounts.

Three working weeks have passed since the above was written; I've seen
no such follow-up. Have I missed something?

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: @Wikipedia losing opportunities in Twitter

[Andy Mabbett]

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 at 23:56, Lauren Dickinson  wrote:
>
> thanks for these comments!

Please could you also respond (here or on Meta) to the discussion on
Meta that I linked to above? A reminder of the URL:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum#Twitter

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: @Wikipedia losing opportunities in Twitter

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On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 at 01:23, Samuel Klein  wrote:
>
> +1, not just en:wp. I'd love to see community mods involved in maintaining 
> the core social accounts.

We have a Facebook group (not the ideal venue, but it works for those
of us on that site), "Wikimedia social media hub" [1], for that; but
WMF staff decided to cease their involvement about 18 months ago.


[1] https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikisocialmediahub
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: @Wikipedia losing opportunities in Twitter

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 15:45, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
 wrote:

> Subject: @Wikipedia losing opportunities in Twitter

See also the (unanswered) issue I raised, at:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum#Twitter

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Legacy maintenance

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On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 at 21:08, Risker  wrote:

> there was mention of there being 50,000 "books" attached to English 
> Wikipedia. We
> have individual images on Commons that probably have been used more often than
> that

Over a thousand times more than that, for several icon files:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MostLinkedFiles

Even our most used photograph is used more than three times as much
(Raafront.jpg Used on 185,058 pages)

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Sanctions against the Russian Federation; support for Ukrainian Wikimedians

[Andy Mabbett]

On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 18:04, Stephen LaPorte  wrote:

> The Foundation is undertaking several initiatives in assisting the Wikimedia
> communities in Ukraine and Russia, and in reviewing the potential impacts
>that the sanctions will have on the movement. We are not able to discuss all
> the specifics without potential risk to those being supported.
>
> What we can disclose is that the Trust and Safety and Human Rights units of
> the Foundation are in constant communication with community members in Ukraine
> and Russia.

Thank you for the response. It is good to know that WMF is assisting
our colleagues, and of course I understand the need for discretion
regarding specifics, but I had hoped you could tell us /something/
about what is being done in that regard.

An additional thought occurs to me: Do we know of any Wikimedians who
have become refugees, and are we assisting them in their new host
countries?

Regarding sanctions, do WMF have salaried staff or freelancers in
Russia, and what is their position now? Does WMF fund a chapter or any
other grantees in Russia, and ditto?

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Sanctions against the Russian Federation; support for Ukrainian Wikimedians

[Andy Mabbett]

On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 06:26, Stephen LaPorte  wrote:

> We share your concern for the ongoing threats to our community members in
> Ukraine and Russia, as well as our global mission to share free and open
> knowledge. As Ziko just shared, the Foundation issued a statement earlier
> today on the crisis in Ukraine.

I don't think any of us would disagree with the sentiments expressed there.

But your post does not answer the questions I posed in the original
post in this thread.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Sanctions against the Russian Federation; support for Ukrainian Wikimedians

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On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 at 22:20, Valentin Nefedov
 wrote:

> More than 70 Russian Wikipedians wrote open letter to us on our village pump
> where they condemned the invasion

This is really heartening. I am pleased - but not in the east
surprised - to see the signatories include several people I count as
friends.

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[Wikimedia-l] Sanctions against the Russian Federation; support for Ukrainian Wikimedians

[Andy Mabbett]

How do US, Geman/EU (for Wikidata) and other sanctions affect our
movement and its projects?

How is WMF supporting Wikimedians in Ukraine? And - where sanctions
allow - supporting Wikimedians in Russia, who are trying to
disseminate facts and fight censorship and propaganda?

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikimedia Announcements] Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month: We are back in 2022!

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On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 00:58, 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The timing of this campaign is of real concern and not prudent, I think, 
> especially for those of us who strive for neutrality.

Neutrality doesn't mean we pander to aggressors. HTH.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wiki-research-l] The Wikimedia Foundation Research Award of the Year - Call for Nominations

[Andy Mabbett]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 19:48, Leila Zia  wrote:

> =Eligibility criteria=

> * The publication must be available in English.

I echo others' concerns about this.

I'm equally concerned that, while WMF regard being in English as
essential for one of their awards, they do not regard the use of an
open licence as a requirement.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Marketing Mail] Re: Auction at Christie's

[Andy Mabbett]

On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 at 13:34, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
>
> Jimmy

As an aside, it would be good if Jimmy, or someone in contact with
Christie's on his behalf, could ask them to correctly attribute the
open-licensed images they've used.

"Image courtesy of Wikimedia Commons" doesn't cut it.

   
https://www.christies.com/features/First-Wikipedia-edit-to-be-sold-as-NFT-11983-1.aspx

Maybe they could release their images of the iMac under open licence,
too, in the spirit of the subject matter.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Marketing Mail] Re: Auction at Christie's

[Andy Mabbett]

On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 at 07:36, Peter Southwood
 wrote:
>
> Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Quite. As Jimmy notes in the WP:AN discussion which has already been linked to:

   I was instructed to inform the community by the Board of the WMF
and advised by
   the Foundation comms and legal staff that a post to wikimedia-l and
to my talk
   page would be the right way to do it... I can equally imagine that
if I had defied the
   board and refused to communicate with the community about it, someone would
   be getting inflamed over that.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Feedback requested on draft updated Wikimedia Foundation Conflict of Interest Policy

[Andy Mabbett]

On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 13:00, Amanda Keton  wrote:

> The Wikimedia Foundation legal team has posted a draft of an updated conflict 
> of interest policy on Meta-Wiki:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest_policy/2021_updates
>
> We are collecting feedback on the policy for the next three weeks: today 
> until 22 November.

Is there a version which highlights the changes from the current policy?

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

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On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 13:59, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

>> > Not sure that duplicating the work of a range of screen readers is the
>> > best use of our resources.
>>
>> I agree; such functionality belongs in the user client (screen reader,
>> browser, whatever), not in the subject website.
>
> an excerpt from the marketing text

As a professional web manager (1994-2011), I had companies trying to
sell me such services regularly. And why wouldn't they, given the
number of websites they could sell it to, over, and over, and over,
again?

Equally consistently, people who /needed/ such assistance told us they
wanted it in the client, not the website; and that all they required
of the websites was to be web-standards-complaint (by which they meant
WCAG[1]).


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Content_Accessibility_Guidelines

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

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On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 09:57, geni  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 16:38, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
>  wrote:

> > Create visually interesting cartography
>
> I think open street map got there first.

No; OSM supply data, in order that reusers such as WMF projects can
create their own "visually interesting" map tiles. See, for example:

   https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T289101

> > Hear the articles
>
> Not sure that duplicating the work of a range of screen readers is the
> best use of our resources.

I agree; such functionality belongs in the user client (screen reader,
browser, whatever), not in the subject website.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikitech-l] Toolhub 1.0 is launched! Discover software tools used at Wikimedia

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On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 15:58, Birgit Müller  wrote:

> We are happy to announce the launch of Toolhub – a community-authored 
> catalogue that aims to make software tools used in the Wikimedia movement 
> discoverable to everyone.

Is this tool linked to, or using, Wikidata? I can't see where.

For example, the entry for WikiShootMe is:

   https://toolhub.wikimedia.org/tools/mm_wikishootme

which has a corresponding Wikidata item:

   https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q26964791

Note that the former has no screenshot image, but Wikidata does; the
QID is not shown on the Toolhub page.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees new resolution on branding

[Andy Mabbett]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 22:49, Zack McCune  wrote:

> new work will be undertaken to develop short phrases ("taglines") that 
> affiliates can
> use optionally to show connection to the Movement or to specific projects. 
> These
> taglines might be phrases like (for example) "part of the Wikimedia Movement"
> or "supporting Wikipedia in Nigeria" that enable partners, press, and members 
> of
> the public to better understand an affiliate's work.

Can they not do that already?

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: (How) can I see the early revision history?

[Andy Mabbett]

On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 01:57, Denny Vrandečić  wrote:
>
> I wanted to see the beginning of the article about Jupiter.

> I expect more history to be in the UseMod archives.

There is a bug in the history of older articles. I raised a ticket:

   https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T292869

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: About raising money

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On Sun, 26 Sept 2021 at 16:32, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> I have asked before who sets these "required" amounts, and who directs staff
> to continue fundraising well after publicised targets are met. I have not 
> received
> a straight answer. Where, please, does the buck, literally, stop? Who has the 
> final word?

How can the latter be anyone but the board?

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Endowment reaches initial $100 million goal and welcomes new board members

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On Thu, 23 Sept 2021 at 19:27, The Cunctator  wrote:

> It's really disappointing to me that the Structured Data work has been used 
> to blow up Wikipedia's copyleft.

1. Your message has nothing to do with the endowment

2. You offer no evidence that "the Structured Data work has been used
to blow up Wikipedia's copyleft."

3. You do not explain what you mean by "blow up Wikipedia's copyleft."

If you wish to discuss copyright and/or structured data, please start
a new thread; and be clear there about the point you wish to make.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Results for the most contended Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election

[Andy Mabbett]

On Sat, 11 Sept 2021 at 16:45, Leo Z  wrote:

> Hope this clear some of your confusion.

Which confusion would that be?

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Results for the most contended Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election

[Andy Mabbett]

On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 19:16, Tito Dutta  wrote:

> My good wishes to all the newly selected board members of Wikimedia 
> Foundation.

AIUI, they are not yet board members, nor are they guaranteed to be.
The Trust's bylaws[1] state, at Article IV, Section 3(C) (my
**emphasis**):

   (iii) The Board will appoint candidates who are **nominated**
through this process, subject to Article IV, Section 3(A), and other
provisions of these Bylaws. In the event that a candidate is selected
who does not meet the requirements of Article IV, Section 3(A) or
other requirements of these Bylaws, or of applicable state or federal
law, the Board will (a) **not appoint the candidate**, (b) declare a
vacancy on the Board, and (c) fill the resulting vacancy, subject to
this Section 3 and to Article IV, Section 6 below.

while Article IV, Section 3(A) says:

   (i) The Board shall be composed of Trustees with a diverse set of
talents, experience, backgrounds, and competencies that will best
fulfill the mission and needs of the Foundation, **as determined by
the Board**. The Board is committed to promoting diversity and
inclusion both in terms of trustee composition and in other aspects of
its work.

Together, these seem to give the Board the option to "determine" that
the "nominated" individuals would not create a board with "a diverse
set of talents, experience, backgrounds, and competencies" and to
reject one or more of them.

Furthermore, it seems to make a lie of the claim [2] that "Members of
the Wikimedia community have the opportunity to elect four candidates
to a three-year term.", if, in fact, we merely "nominate" people for
the Board to consider.

I'd like to think I'm wrong. Can anyone show me how I am?


[1] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bylaws

[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Welcoming the first round of grants from the Equity Fund

[Andy Mabbett]

On Wed, 8 Sept 2021 at 15:09, Lisa Gruwell  wrote:

> We are excited to share that we have chosen the first round of grantees for
> the Knowledge Equity Fund pilot. The Equity Fund Committee selected six
> grantees across the Middle East, Africa, and North and South America who
> focus on issues of access, education and equity within the regions they
> support.

The press release [1] mentioned further down the thread lists:

* Arab Reporters for Investigative Journalism (ARIJ), Jordan ($250,000):
* Borealis Philanthropy’s Racial Equity in Journalism Fund, United
States ($250,000)
* Howard University School of Law and the Institute for Intellectual
Property and Social Justice (IIPSJ), United States ($260,000):
* InternetLab, Brazil ($200,000)
* Media Foundation for West Africa (MFWA), Ghana ($150,000)
* STEM en Route to Change (SeRCH) Foundation, United States ($250,000)

so three of the six recipients  - receiving $760,000 of $1,360,000; or
more than half - are in the United States.


[1] 
https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2021/09/08/wikimedia-foundation-announces-first-grant-recipients-of-new-4-5-million-equity-fund/

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Conflict of Interest - Transition from Trustee to Staff

[Andy Mabbett]

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 20:58, Chris Keating  wrote:

> Mistakes will always be made where human judgement is involved, but it seems
> that this one is being remedied and learned from both quickly and openly.

For those of us not on the call; how so?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moving Wikimania 20201 to a Virtual Event

[Andy Mabbett]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021, 14:02 Janeen Uzzell,  wrote:

> Moving Wikimania 20201 to a Virtual Event

Good to see you're taking the long view...

;-)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New collaboration with the World Health Organization

[Andy Mabbett]

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 14:32, Jorge Vargas  wrote:

> we are excited to announce a new collaboration between the Wikimedia 
> Foundation and the World Health Organization (WHO).

This is great news, albeit long overdue on the WHO's part.

>  
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:World_Health_Organization_COVID-19_Disinformation_Infographics

On a more practical level, I have marked all those images, and the
WHO's other recent uploads, in:

   
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Graphics_produced_by_World_Health_Organization

with {{do not crop}}, and added categories where I can. May I ask
other people to assist in the latter process, especially for files
using non-English texts?

I'm also marking the file pages as patrolled, whenever I edit them -
again, this needs more hands.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

[Andy Mabbett]

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 20:06, Dan Szymborski  wrote:

> The only tiniest shred of direct accountability on the board, the community
> board elections
[...]

They're not elections; we get to vote on nominations, the board decide
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

[Andy Mabbett]

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 21:50, ktsquare  wrote:

>> they must report this to AN/I

> What is AN/I

   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

[Andy Mabbett]

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 21:43, Chris Sherlock  wrote:

> I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is concerned about being
> sexually harassed they must report this to AN/I and there are no private
> mechanisms to report this sort of thing.
>
> Is this for real?

Not according to:

   https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Harassment

and particularly:

   
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Harassment#Contact_the_Foundation%E2%80%99s_Trust_and_Safety_team


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

[Andy Mabbett]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 23:29, Nathan  wrote:
>
> Tomasz notes, correctly, that OTRS agents on *general
> info queues* (which he distinguished from permission queues) just answer
> questions, they don't exercise authority. Andy's reply is both
> argumentative and inaccurate.

Mea culpa. In the initial discussion on Wikidata, and in the
discussion on the OTRS noticeboard on Commons, we were told, more than
once, by OTRS agents, that the images had been sent to "OTRS
photo-submissions". I assumed that a "photo-submissions" queue was a
form of "general info queue", since it is distinct from a permissions
queue.

For that, my apologies to Tomasz.

> Tomasz could easily be on-side for genuine
> reform. He's an insider at OTRS who acknowledges room for improvement. But
> it wouldn't surprise me if this response converts him to an opponent.

I'd like to think I know Tomasz well enough - having met him several
times, including being his guest in Warsaw - to know he's not that
fickle.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

[Andy Mabbett]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 05:04, Gnangarra  wrote:

> This page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS answers some the questions
> including a list of OTRS administrators

I don't think it fully answers any of the ten questions discussed in
this thread.

For example, while it has a list of OTRS administrators it does not -
unlike say, the pages about amins on en.Wikipedia or Commons - say
what the role of those admins is, or what limits are placed on their
actions, It does not say who appoints them (or who can un-appoint
them), or to what policies they must adhere. And it does not tell us
who else might have access to the same or higher (c/f 'crats) levels
of admin permissions that they have.

Thanks for your other comments.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

[Andy Mabbett]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 10:01, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:

> I guess - Andy's main concern is about permission queues on Commons, as the
> trigger for his question was a case on Commons.

I have already stated that this assumption is false, when someone else
made it in this very thread.

> In fact - OTRS agents answering questions for general info queues have no
> special power - I mean they do not make any "secretive" decisions

But they do; and we know that they do. The specific case to which you
refer above occurred when an OS agen declined to accept multiple
in-scope photographs, from multiple correspondents, sent at the
request of Wikidata editors, to OTRS by non-Wikimdians. This only came
to light because the person who had organised the campaign noticed,
and brought it to the attention of Wikidata editors, on Wikidata.

Nonetheless, that specific case led to general questions. about how
ORS operates across our movement.

And note that not one of the ten questions I referred to at the top of
this thread mentones any specific case.

> Add to this that
> there is a constant shortage of the active OTRS agents

Perhaps one of the reasons for this is the lack of transparency about
how OTRS operates?

> If you want to be
> an OTRS agent - just put your name on OTRS page on meta - ask some of your
> friends on your local wiki to endorse you and one of the OTRS admins simply
> checks if your edit history is OK (not too short and with no signs that you
> have a tendency to be in constant conflict with your fellow Wikipedians)
> and that's it... It really does not need any extra  regulations, as it
> works as it is now.

You say "one of the OTRS admins simply checks if your edit history is
OK...", but nowhere is that documented publicly as the process that is
followed.

Furthermore, anecdotal evidence also suggests that that is not all
that there is to the process.

One of the other questions that remains unanswered is how the people
who conduct this process are themselves appointed and overseen.

> How it is practically screened has been already answered
> several times, but it is true that the process is not written down clearly

If it is not written down "clearly", show us what is written down in outline.

Why is this so difficult?

> So, maybe - I say maybe - this system needs some sort of reform to make it
> more transparent and public - but do not expect that anyone can write rules
> that may cover every possible case

This is a straw man; no-one is asking for "rules that may cover every
possible case"; and no one is asking for any new rules to be written;
we are asking to see the rules and policies *that already exist*.

> And the system will never be 100% transparent - as
> its idea is to answers E-mails under general WMF privacy policy umbrella.

...and no-one is asking to see anything that falls under the general
WMF privacy policy umbrella; indeed, I have explicitly excluded such
material when describing what I want to see.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Diff – a blog by and for the Wikimedia volunteer community

[Andy Mabbett]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 12:23, Quim Gil  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
>
> > > > > > What consultation was carried out with contributors, and the
> > > > > > wider the Wikimedia community, to inform this change?
> >
> > Although you quoted it, you seem to have overlooked this question.
>
>
> I aimed to address this question with this answer:
>
> > When we announced Next steps for Wikimedia Space [1] we said that the
> Space blog
> > would continue in a new home

> > [1] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/3184
>
> This is when we informed about this plan (February 18), also on this list.

Yes; you made an announcement. I asked about *consultation*.

> We didn't consult any further

In future, please consult - meaningfully - before making such
significant changes.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

[Andy Mabbett]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 09:03, effe iets anders  wrote:
>
> I rather have
> that people make their assumptions explicit so that you have an opportunity
> to clarify, and use that as the basis for further conversation.

You seem to be assuming - wrongly - that I have made assumptions which
I have not made explicit.

Ironically, you have not explicitly stated your assumption.

> My reading of this discussion is that there is a lot of 'secrecy' assumed

No secrecy is being assumed. Too much secrecy is being observed.

> where it is probably more a lack of existence of policies in the way Andy
> would like them to exist. This is a known problem with OTRS.

It may well be that some policies that should exist, do not, or are
''de facto'' without being written down. But until we see a
comprehensive list of those that do exist and are written, how can we
know?

> I feel comfortable sharing that the set of OTRS-wide 'policies' that is on
> the wiki, is probably of little interest to this matter.

I am very interested in seeing all those 'policies'; as others have
said they are.

As noted earlier in this thread, I do not see how I could be any more
clear about my wish to see them.

> This is why I
> noted that Jonatan's response could be misleading, because it implies all
> kind of secrecy that doesn't exist.

It stated, not implied, that "the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS
agents sign" prevented him from answering some of the questions asked
on-wiki in February, and quoted at the start of this thread.

> There are actually a few policies
> linked at [[m:OTRS <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS>]], that are
> simply copied there (Access, Activity policies).

That page, and those linked from it, do not answer the questions to
which I have already referred.

> There is some stuff about
> privacy, confidentiality and how to deal with mailing lists. Imho nothing
> that exciting.

Perhaps not exciting to you; but I and others argue that such content
should nonetheless be public. We have been told that OTRS agents are
discussing the matter on their private email and IRC channels, but
then... Nothing.

> OTRS is an immensely diverse system, and I don't think it's helpful to try
> to analyze that with overly broad questions.

I do not accept that questions such as, for example:

   5 how is OTRS overseen, and who by?

   7 what is the process for the community to remove an
  individual's OTRS permissions, if they fail to uphold
  or abide by policy?

   9 which individuals can make someone an OTRS agent,
  or remove their permissions?

   10 how are the individuals in #9 appointed and overseen?

are "overly broad"; but if you think they are, how would you narrow their focus?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

[Andy Mabbett]

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 at 17:19, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> Since it seems
> that multiple people are misunderstanding you on this point, I wonder
> whether there's anything you could do to express your views on this point
> more clearly.

Here is the entire post I made to Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard on 27 February:

#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#

We need answers to the following questions (some asked, but not
answered, above, some arising from that discussion):

1. what are OTRS' rules and policies?
2. where are those rules and policies documented, and why are they not public?
3. where are those rules and polices discussed and decided?
4. what is the process for getting those rules and policies changed
(or reworded for clarity)?
5. how is OTRS overseen, and who by?
6. what is the approval process for an individual to become an OTRS agent?
7. what is the process for the community to remove an individual's
OTRS permissions, if they fail to uphold or abide by policy?
8. if an individual has been acting contrary to policy, what is the
process for reviewing and if necessary overturning their past actions
(including contacting and apologising to their correspondents)?
9. which individuals can make someone an OTRS agent, or remove their
permissions?
10. how are the individuals in #9 appointed and overseen?

Clearly, the equivalent for these exists on Commons, and our sister
projects. OTRS agents can not expect to act without equivalent levels
of transparency and accountability, even if individual transactions
are confidential.

#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#

Please tell me which parts of it could be more clear, and how.

You certainly did not seem to be concerned about a lack of clarity in
it, when you replied:

   Excellent list, Andy. I concur... I think it would be very much in
the interests of OTRS
   agents and the Wikimedia movement overall to address this list of
questions in a
   forthright way, and make some adjustments (such as publishing
policies and a process
   for amending policies)

shortly after I posted it.

Or did you have some other unclear post in mind?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

[Andy Mabbett]

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 at 02:47, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> We would be better off if
> there were clearly articulated, published policies for OTRS

Indeed.

> I think Andy wants to hold somebody responsible for the
> absence of those things

You are mistaken; and I have complained previously in this thread and
in the on-wiki discussion about other people attempting to ascribe to
me motives or intentions that are not mine.

I am unsure why this happens, why people are so bad at it, or what
purpose it is supposed to achieve.

Please do not do so.

> But I would very much support an effort to draft, review, and publish
> policies and procedures going forward.

This is the wrong order; we /first/ need OTRS (or whoever oversees
OTRS, though five months after asking, we still don't know who that
is, if anyone) to publish its existing policies etc; then we can
review them; then we can, if necessary, draft and propose changes or
additions. And report any instances where OTRS agents are not acting
within them.

> For what it's worth, I was an OTRS agent for several years; but, precisely
> because of the absence of policies

This was presumably historical, because we have been told that there
are (now) polices, but they are (partly, perhaps mostly) on a
non-public wiki.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Diff – a blog by and for the Wikimedia volunteer community

[Andy Mabbett]

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 23:42, Quim Gil  wrote:

> When we announced Next steps for Wikimedia Space [1] we said that the Space
> blog would continue in a new home, and this is exactly what we have done.

It is not exactly what you have done, because you have merged it with
(content from) another blog or blogs.

> In order to identify the posts coming from the
> Wikimedia Blog, the Wikimedia Foundation site or Space, we have attached a
> string of text. Andy, this is why your now imported blog post from 2017 has
> that extra text.

If the aim is to "identify the posts coming from the Wikimedia Blog",
then text saying "This is an archived post from blog.wikimedia.org"
will suffice.

> > > > What consultation was carried out with contributors, and the
> > > > wider the Wikimedia community, to inform this change?

Although you quoted it, you seem to have overlooked this question.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

[Andy Mabbett]

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 00:09, effe iets anders  wrote:
>
> Jonatan: Implying that there's more secrecy than necessary, is unhelpful.

Do you mean to suggest that the current level of secrecy is necessary?

> I
> would dare say that if the policies that Andy is looking for exist (given
> his inquiry he's looking for a specific set), they should and would be
> available on meta.

Apparently they are not, they are on a closed wiki; and so secret.

> If that is not the case, that is more likely due to
> laziness and/or lack of time than by design

I have been asking for them since February.

> so if you know of policies
> where that is not the case, please bring it up internally, ask for
> objections to publish it, and lets rectify.

We were told the matter had been raised on the private OTRS mailing
list, in February, and that "several of us [on the mailing list] want
to be involved in any follow up". Nonetheless, no response from that
discussion has been forthcoming, and neither the editor who said they
had raised it in the mailing list, nor the one who I quote here, has
responded to requests for updates.

> It seems that you're particularly concerned about the Commons/Permissions
> queues.

No; although this originally came to light due to a misapplication of
the policy in relation to Commons, the questions apply to OTRS across
the movement

> I'm not exactly clear on what policies you're looking for

All of them. Every single word of OTRS policy, guideline and
boilerplate, that is not of necessity confidential due to containing
personal information.

> is a bit of a mess - much of OTRS has grown organically. I doubt you
> expected much different.

I expected transparency of the standard common throughout the rest of
our movement.

> the questions are too broadly formulated for a diffuse system like this.

I very strongly disagree. But if we /cannot/ give any answer to
questions like "what are OTRS' rules and policies?" or "how is OTRS
overseen, and who by?", then that would highlight even more serious
issues.


More generally, I note that the discussion on Commons continues:

   
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#Redux%2C_June_2020

albeit with more heat that light, and that accusations about my
motives are now being flung about. Still the questions have not been
answered. Although we have been told, in the last hour or so "we do
not have a process where we monitor what other OTRS volunteers does
[sic]".

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Diff – a blog by and for the Wikimedia volunteer community

[Andy Mabbett]

On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 at 18:50, Chris Koerner  wrote:

> Diff builds on lessons and  experiences from  the
> Wikimedia Blog, the Wikimedia Foundation News, and Wikimedia Space;
> previous posts from these channels are archived on Diff.

Based on my involvement with the Blog, I've identified some issues...

At the request of the WMF, in 2017 I wrote a blog post, which was
published - after WMF's editorial approval - at:

   https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/11/29/astronaut-spoken-voice/

an independently-archived copy may be found at:

  
https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/11/29/astronaut-spoken-voice/

This has now been republished at:

   https://diff.wikimedia.org/2017/11/29/astronaut-spoken-voice/

to which the original URL has now been redirected.


The new version of the article has  footer, saying:

   Archive notice: This is an archived post from blog.wikimedia.org, and
   as such was written under a different editorial standard than Diff.

I am concerned that this unexplained comment may not reflect well on
me, as the named author.


The new version of my author profile page:

   https://diff.wikimedia.org/author/cap-andy-mabbet/

is missing the thumbnail image for the blog post; compare with the
archived version:

   
https://web.archive.org/web/20191218122440/https://blog.wikimedia.org/author/andy-mabbet/

(the spelling error in the URL has carried over from the original).

> The channel
> is primarily intended for community-authored posts, in which
> volunteers can share their stories, learnings, and ideas with each
> other.

I didn't write the above post simply to share the story with other
volunteers; it was written - I again emphasise, at the WMF's request -
 for a global audience, and presented to the press as such, as part of
a joint publicity initiative with the European Space Agency.

> content on Diff can be written and
> translated into languages to reach a wide audience.

My original post - as can be seen from the banner in the version at
the Internet Archive - was kindly translated into Italian (apt, as the
subject was an Italian Astronaut) and French. The banner containing
the links to those translations is missing from the "Diff" copy.

The original URLs of the italian and French versions:

   https://blog.wikimedia.org/it/2017/11/29/wikipedia-lascia-il-pianeta-terra

   https://blog.wikimedia.org/fr/2017/12/01/wikipedia-quitte-la-planete-terre

now redirect, respectively, to:

   https://diff.wikimedia.org/it/2017/11/29/wikipedia-lascia-il-pianeta-terra

   https://diff.wikimedia.org/fr/2017/12/01/wikipedia-quitte-la-planete-terre

each of which are returning a 404 error.

Several links to the original Italian URL, from the Italian-language
Wikipedia, including those in encyclopedia articles, and two links to
the original French URL on the French-language Wikipedia, are now
broken. Obviously this also applies to any external sites that link to
them, too.

> Still curious to learn more?

Yes: What consultation was carried out with contributors, and the
wider the Wikimedia community, to inform this change?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

[Andy Mabbett]

On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 10:05, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:
>
> czw., 9 lip 2020 o 18:53 Andy Mabbett 
> napisał(a):
>
> > On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 07:46, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:
> >
> > > > I’m unable to answer this due to the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS
> > > > agents sign.
> >
> > > Well, please do not create conspiracy theories...
> >
> > It's not a conspiracy theory if there is evidence of a conspiracy.

> What evidence?

* OTRS policies, stored on the OTRS wiki, are not public

* The questions asked in February have still not been answered

*  A post from Jonatan to this list, saying "I'm unable to answer this
due to the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS agents sign."

> General copyright rules, procedures and copyright agreement templates are
> made public in most wikis

Again; that is not what is being asked.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

[Andy Mabbett]

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 07:46, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:

> > I’m unable to answer this due to the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS
> > agents sign.

> Well, please do not create conspiracy theories...

It's not a conspiracy theory if there is evidence of a conspiracy.

> Actually, as far as I understand my role as an OTRS volunteer - there
> are no any special rules for OTRS except some technical, civility
> aspects and confidentiality of mailing with individuals

No special rules, apart from [list of special rules]?

> Regarding privacy issues - OTRS volunteers can be reported to the Ombudsman
> Commission and during my serving in this Commision there were cases related
> to OTRS.

Indeed - but I'm not asking about just privacy issues.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

[Andy Mabbett]

On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 18:52, Jonatan Svensson Glad
 wrote:

> 1. what are OTRS' rules and policies?
> I’m unable to answer this due to the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS 
> agents sign.

So who is able to answer it?

>  I believe OTRS falls under the Communications committee’s purview,

There is nothing sayng so on
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications_committee

> and perhaps T

...nor on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trust_and_Safety

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[Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

[Andy Mabbett]

OTRS is an important part of our activity, and is akey interface
between our volunteers and key partner institutions, as well as (often
notable) individuals.
By its very nature, much of what OTRS agents do cannot be as
transparent as the rest of our activities, being rightly held as
confidential.

For that reason it is essential that what can be, is as transparent as possible.

Back in February, an issue arose [1] where it became known that an
OTRS agent was rejecting images supplied by individuals at the request
of Wikidata volunteers, to illustrate Wikidata items, apparently
because that individual misunderstood and was mis-applying Commons
policy.

During the discussion of that case, on the OTRS noticeboard on
Commons, I raised ten questions [2]:

1. what are OTRS' rules and policies?

2. where are those rules and policies documented, and why are they not public?

3. where are those rules and policies discussed and decided?

4. what is the process for getting those rules and policies changed
(or reworded for clarity)?

5. how is OTRS overseen, and who by?

6. what is the approval process for an individual to become an OTRS agent?

7. what is the process for the community to remove an individual's
OTRS permissions, if they fail to uphold or abide by policy?

8. if an individual has been acting contrary to policy, what is the
process for reviewing and if necessary overturning their past actions
(including contacting and apologising to their correspondents)?

9. which individuals can make someone an OTRS agent, or remove their
permissions?

10. how are the individuals in #9 appointed and overseen?

Some discussion ensued, and an email was reportedly posted to the
closed OTRS mailing list asking for input, but after several months
(indeed, nigh on half a year), THE QUESTIONS HAVE NOT YET BEEN
ANSWERED [*] (the discussion has even had to be restored from the
page's archives).

How the OTRS system operates remains opaque to most Wikimedians.

How can we get answers to these vital questions?


[Please preferably reply in the OTRS noticeboard thread if possible.
Where discussion does take place on this mailing list, please add key
points to the noticeboard thread]

[1]  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#OTRS_&_Wikidata

[2]  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#questions

[*] A single link was provided, to
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/OTRS - which is a
set of 214 pages

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Citizendium shutting down

[Andy Mabbett]

On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 22:11, David Gerard  wrote:

> basically - nobody's editing anything any more, and the money's running out.

Or, as en.Wikipedia puts it: "As of January 2019, it had 16,978
articles, of which 166 had achieved editorial approval, and around 2
contributors who made at least 1 edit in the previous month."

How's Everipedia getting on, BTW?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Preventing conflicts of interest in Wikimedia organizations' employment and financial relationships

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On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 20:21, Pine W  wrote:

> For example, is there any monitoring of the bank accounts of board
> members and executives

I  very much hope not. That would be an outrageous intrusion.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

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On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 15:53, Gnangarra  wrote:

> I think we could start to make the category structure obsolete  and focus
> on structured data

I think that would be an excellent move; but first we need to stop and
reverse the harmful "keyword stuffing" encouraged by the WMF:

   
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Structured_data/Computer-aided_tagging#Upcoming_improvement_to_computer-aided_tagging

   
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2020/02#Misplaced_invitation_to_%22tag%22_images

You'll note my request on the latter page that the WMF provide
evidence of consensus for their model of tagging has been repeatedly
ignored; on 29 February this year I wrote - in response to a claim
from a WMF staff member that "we're not ignoring anything":

"You have been called out for ignoring questions, by a number of
people. You have only just - on 29 February - replied to some of the
points I raised on this page on 11 February - nearly three weeks ago -
even though I and others complained about your lack of response on 14
February. You have yet to respond to requests to show where there is
consensus for the tool to operate, or to use depicts statements in the
manner it is - including in the very post you reply to here. Most
significantly, you have yet to answer requests to explain how the
tool, or the invitation to tag, can be turned off."

My post was eventually archived, with no response to it.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates from Wikimedia Foundation Board

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On Sat, 2 May 2020 at 22:30, Pine W  wrote:

> I must point out that, at this time, the WMF Board has not received
> consent from the community to make changes to its size or composition,
> nor to alter the terms for the holders of community-nominated seats to
> the Board.
>
> I suggest that the Board start an RfC on Meta regarding extending the
> terms of existing community-selected trustees by one year. This would
> be a simple RfC and easy to implement.
>
> A more complex RfC would be needed regarding the size and composition
> of the Board.

> WMF has a pattern of making significant decisions which it has not
> discussed with the community in advance and for which it has not
> obtained the community's consent. The fact that the Board continues in
> this pattern even after a governance review is concerning.

From the e-mail to which you reply;

"We plan to present the Board’s vision and hold a community discussion
as part of the process for the Bylaws change."

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

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On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 at 16:44, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 07:27, Yair Rand  wrote:
>
> > Also importantly, the Foundation's Policy and Political Association
> > Guideline, which was written by WMF Legal in the aftermath of SOPA
>
> Link, please.

A link has been provided, off-list:


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal/Foundation_Policy_and_Political_Association_Guideline#Limited_Trademark_Endorsement

The top of that page has an FAQ, which includes:

   Is this guideline binding?

   No. Though we intend for this guideline to be our normal operating
   procedure, the Wikimedia Foundation reserves the right to take the
   best action as circumstances require. This guideline is not a contract
   or binding policy.

and the foot of the page has:

   WMF reserves the right to deviate from this policy depending on the
circumstances.
   The General Counsel must approve any such deviation.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

[Andy Mabbett]

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 07:27, Yair Rand  wrote:

> Also importantly, the Foundation's Policy and Political Association
> Guideline, which was written by WMF Legal in the aftermath of SOPA

Link, please.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia and a new Wikipedia project

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On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 01:52, Denny Vrandečić  wrote:

> As some of you know, I have been working on the idea of a multilingual
> Wikipedia for a few years now.

What's the elevator pitch for this?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Covid-19] Postponing Wikimania Bangkok until 2021

[Andy Mabbett]

On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 at 20:57, Katherine Maher  wrote:

> *== What does this mean for scholarship applications? ==*
>
> We are working on a plan for how to process Wikimania 2020 scholarship
> applications. We will share more information in the coming weeks.

The deadline for scholarship applications was 17 March (for clarity
the day before this announcement to which I'm replying).

It was clearly likely before then that this sensible decision would be taken.

I trust that people who did not apply for that reason, or who knew
they would be unavailable this year for other reasons, will be able to
apply for scholarships for next year's event?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject COVID-19 (English Wikipedia) is started

[Andy Mabbett]

On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 21:07, Paulo Santos Perneta
 wrote:

>> Covid is an abreviaton for coronavirus disease.

> No, it's an abbreviation for *Coronavirus Disease 2019* [1]

That would make "COVID-19" mean "Coronavirus Disease 2019-19".

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject COVID-19 (English Wikipedia) is started

[Andy Mabbett]

On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 20:56, Paulo Santos Perneta
 wrote:

> Even worst, it's contaminating other projects, like Wikidata and Wikimedia
> Commons, with teams of wiki.en editors going there to revert anyone that
> dares to move the disease to its proper name.

Diffs, please.

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[Wikimedia-l] World Health Organization licences & COVID-19

[Andy Mabbett]

WHO have a great video on COVID-19 ("Coronavius"):

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1APwq1df6Mw

Now would be a good time for the WMF, local chapters, other
affiliates, and individual, to publicly call on them to open licence
such material, as I have done, here:

   https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1238124060145483777

[much of their published material is under NC restrictions -
https://www.who.int/publishing/copyright/en/ ]

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

[Andy Mabbett]

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 20:36, Vi to  wrote:
>
> Hard to tell anything without the relevant link(s).

For you, maybe. Others have already given helpful replies.

My question was generic, and not about the specific case I gave as an example.

I chose not to post links to to the example, both in order to avoid a
pile-on, and to avoid us being distracted by the minutiae of the
incident concerned.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on otherprojects

[Andy Mabbett]

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 17:10, Rebecca O'Neill  wrote:
>
> I think this is what is being referenced:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#OTRS_&_Wikidata

Thank you; it is.

The issue is not with Commons, but with Commons' OTRS.

tl;dr = wanted photographs of individuals with items on Wikidata
(established 2012) , that meet Wikidata's notability criteria, are
being rejected, unseen by the Commons or Wikidata communities, by OTRS
volunteers, based on a 2010 policy that is on a password-protected
wiki. Requests for details how how that policy was arrived at, and how
it can be changed, remain unanswered.

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[Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

[Andy Mabbett]

I have just come across a case on en.Wikipedia where the daughter of
an article subject added details of his funeral (his death in 1984,w
as already recorded) and his view about an indent in his life.

Her six sequential edits - her first and only contribution to
Wikipedia - totalled 1254 characters, and were conducted over the
space of 30 minutes. They were no the best quality, lacking sources,
but were benign, and exactly what one might expect an untutored novice
to do as a first change.

As well as being reverted, she now has three templates on her talk
page; two warning her of a CoI, and sandwiching one notifying her of a
discussion about her on the COI noticeboard. These total 4094
characters or 665 words.

How do other projects deal with such cases?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

[Andy Mabbett]

On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 at 23:04, John Erling Blad  wrote:
>
> This is out in several newspapers now.
>
> "Snøhetta shall create new visual profile for Wikipedia-owner"

This edit made 10 January 2020, is relevant:

  
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project=19696096=19684544

Indeed, Snøhetta was added to that page on 18 December 2019.


User:SnøhettaAS was blocked on en.Wikipedia  on 4 October 2019, after
just three edits - two to [[Snøhetta (company)]] and one to their talk
page. No paid editing declaration had been made. The subsequent
history of that article is also worth reviewing.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome back, Turkey

[Andy Mabbett]

On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 01:13, Amanda Keton  wrote:

> Of course, there are other blocks around the world still in place, and our
> efforts in addressing this type of censorship of knowledge is far from
> over.

Do we have a central log of these blocks; and steps taken to overcome them?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] default import sources

[Andy Mabbett]

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 at 06:19, effe iets anders  wrote:

> I remember bringing this up several years ago at Dutch Wikipedia, and from
> what I recall, there were people that don't want the import function to be
> active on their wiki for more fundamental reasons (they don't want old
> versions to exist that were not created on their own wiki).

Does that mean that they don't want to give proper attribution when
they use others' work?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

[Andy Mabbett]

On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 13:03, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

[...]
> Your statement, made in ignorance of the facts, is offensive not only
> to me, but chiefly to the many other volunteers who are busy growing
> Wikidata in Africa and Asia, both as a result of my voluntary
> activities and otherwise.

It's been pointed out to me that I misread the email to which I
replied; I apologise, and withdraw my comments.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

[Andy Mabbett]

On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 06:38, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:

> There is no attention from the community to get our data into Africa
> or Asia for that matter, what happened is all thanks to staff efforts.

In 2015, as a volunteer, I gave a keynote presentation on Wikidata's
sue of authority control identifiers, at the World Digital Library's
Arab Peninsula Regional Group conference in Doha

Also in 2015, I visited Tunis and Monastir, to speak as a volunteer at
WikiArabia, which was attended by both African and Asian delegates. I
also gave talks to university students, met with GLAM professionals,
and was interviewed a national radio station.

In 2016, I spent several days, as a volunteer, training Wikimedia
volunteers in Jakarta to edit Wikidata, as well as giving a talk on
Wikidata to staff of a the education ministry, with which they
collaborate.

In 2017, I visited Cairo, as a volunteer, to give a workshop on
Wikidata at WikiArabia.

In 2018, I and several other volunteers spoke at a GLAM conference in
Yerevan, and gave talks and training workshops for Wikimedia
volunteers there.

Also in 2018, while in Cape Town for Wikimania, as a volunteer, I
assisted at Wikidata workshop for South African librarians.

Near the end of 2018, I visited eastern Istanbul to give a guest
lecture on Wikidata to students at Üsküdar University. And yes, I did
so as a volunteer.

In 2019, I introduced academics from two South African Universities,
whom I met in England, to volunteers from WMZA. They are now
collaborating on introducing Wikimedia projects into further education
in that country.

I maintain ongoing relationships and online collaborations with many
of the African and Asian Wikimedians I met on my travels.

Your statement, made in ignorance of the facts, is offensive not only
to me, but chiefly to the many other volunteers who are busy growing
Wikidata in Africa and Asia, both as a result of my voluntary
activities and otherwise.


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[Wikimedia-l] .org TLD for sale?

[Andy Mabbett]

I have just seen this:

   https://savedotorg.org/

  "The .org domain is about to be sold to a private equity firm.

   "Join the coalition of nonprofits opposed to this blatant
disregard of the public interest."

WMF are among the signatories.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

[Andy Mabbett]

On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 18:33, Henry Wood  wrote:

> Is the subject being a Wikimedian relevant to whether or not material
> should be published?

In practice items about Wikimedians are /more/ likely to be deleted
than equivalent items about non-Wikimedians.

I know of cases (mostly now reversed, thankfully) where items about
the authors of academic papers - and so clearly meeting Wikidata's
notability criteria - were deleted *because* the author was also a
Wikimedian.

In one case, an item was deleted by the subject Wikimedian himself,
with no prior discussion. Despite this glaring conflict of interest,
it has never been restored.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

[Andy Mabbett]

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 23:02, Paulo Santos Perneta
 wrote:

> Andy Mabbett  escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019


>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
>>  wrote:
>>
> > Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's
> >basically a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
> >
> > It's a curious precedent.

> > The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia Community
> > User Group Wales (c/f Wikimedia UK).

> Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't believe
> it compares with a city UG.

Who made any comparison of Wales to a city?

The issue under discussion was a UG as "basically a cell of" a national chapter.

[Though if you do want such a comparison, St. P.'s population is near
double that of Wales]

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

[Andy Mabbett]

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
 wrote:

> Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's basically
> a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
>
> It's a curious precedent.

The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia Community
User Group Wales (c/f Wikimedia UK).

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Huhall] Viola wikipedia

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On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 16:46, Samuel Klein  forwarded:

> Here is a plant name (*Viola Wikipedia*), which may be first name to honor
> Wikipedia.

I have reciprocated with this:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola_wikipedia

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Wikimedia Foundation’s new CTO, Grant Ingersoll

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On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 17:55, Katherine Maher  wrote:

> I’m excited to officially welcome Grant Ingersoll as our Chief Technology
> Officer! Grant

It is UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS of Katherine to post this...

> In Grant’s own words

> We're adjusting to the empty nest life with our dog Allie (a
> black lab mix).

...without linking to at least one cute pic of Allie ;-)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki loves SDGs

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On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 09:24, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:

> Calling someone "flippant" is a direct attack -

Nobody called you flippant. Fæ said "your comments are flippant"

Please stop this, now.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Andy Mabbett]

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 14:19, Diane Ranville
 wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:28 PM Andy Mabbett 

> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_are_the_steps_that_will_take_place_between_recommendations_being_published_and_implementation

> > > perhaps that section could be updated to reflect that:

> > The section remains unchanged. Is anyone planning to update it?

> Working groups are currently working off-wiki on a new version that will
> soon be submitted to discussion again. Current versions are indeed not
> being updated (I think they are not meant to be).

Thank you, but in the email to which you replied, I was referring not
to a WG recommendation, but to the FAQ (URL above), which is clearly
at odds with the process as stated in Nicole's email.

I shall look forward to reviewing the revised recommendations.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Andy Mabbett]

The section remains unchanged. Is anyone planning to update it?

On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 14:29, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 19:48, Jeff Hawke  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:41 PM Andy Mabbett 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:55, Jeff Hawke  wrote:
> > >
> > > > the WG then collate them and decide the final form of the
> > > > recommendations, to be implemented by the WMF
> > >
> > > This seems to be missing a rather crucial intermediate step; the one
> > > where the recommendations are accepted, or not, by the wider Wikimedia
> > > community.
> > >
> >
> >  That step is not mentioned at
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_steps_will_take_place_in_the_next_few_months_to_put_a_decision-making_process_in_place?
>
> But it is alluded to further down that page, albeit with an apparent
> assumption that the recommendations will (all) be implemented:
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_are_the_steps_that_will_take_place_between_recommendations_being_published_and_implementation?
>
> In the light of Nicole's recent - and reassuring - email:
>
>https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-August/093303.html
>
> perhaps that section could be updated to reflect that:
>
>"[recommendations not needing the legal authority of the board] will
> then be further delegated to other community mechanisms and
> structures for approval or further consultation."
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Andy Mabbett]

It's now over a month since the appended exchange, when I suggested
that the answer "All change has negative connotations to some members
of the community", to the question "Could this Recommendation [to, in
part, allow material with NC and ND licences] have a negative
impact/change?" be rewritten to actually reflect the proposal's real
and significant risks.

I've just checked, and it's unchanged.


On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 17:52, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 16:51, Nicole Ebber  wrote:
>
> > This is a
> > process for all of us to shape our shared future, together; let’s keep
> > engaging and challenging one another in this same spirit.
>
> Perhaps it would also be in keeping with that spirit for this:
>
> Q4a. Could this Recommendation have a negative impact/change?
>
> All change has negative connotations to some members of the community
>
> to be re-written, to actually reflect the proposal's real and significant 
> risks?
>
> As it stands, I do not find it to be "solution-oriented", nor
> indicative of "due review and reflection", nor "in the spirit of
> collegial collaboration", and I do not think anyone could plausibly
> argue that it is any of those things.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration with Indonesian Air Force

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On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 11:50, Biyanto Rebin
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> We are happy to announce that Wikimedia Indonesia will collaborate with
> Indonesian Air Force to provide free access for their museum collection to
> wider audiences.

Great news - well done!

> We are starting to upload and provide the QR code to their collection.

Can you confirm that you will be using QRpedia?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Andy Mabbett]

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 10:42, Todd Allen  wrote:
>
> Well then, why aren't you listening?

You appear to be addressing an individual. Your top-posting does not
make the addressee clear.

> We've been begging WMF for years to come up with a solution for paid
> editing. If you actually put something in the ToU against it,

What, like this?

   
https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use/en#4._Refraining_from_Certain_Activities

it was added in June 2014.

> we can get paid edit requests removed  from sites like Upwork,

How's that going, since June 2014?

> In the meantime, we get a WMF "working group" wanting to not only allow
> paid editing, but have WMF do the paying.

> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Resource_Allocation/Recommendations/C

That page says:

  "The solutions we are exploring (tentative recommendations) are:

 "Payment for ‘necessary services’ to ensure equity in who is able to spend
  their time being a Wikimedian. We’re thinking about Boards, and other
  'functionary' roles (Fund committees, etc.) that require special privilege
  access to data/tools, and have a 'term' for their role in which they are
  considered to be on duty (e.g. 2 years), and for which they are personally
  responsible. We are currently not sure about ‘paid editing’, and leaning
  towards not supporting that.  Perhaps this will be decided at a
local level,
  e.g. via the Regional Hubs."

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Andy Mabbett]

On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 19:48, Jeff Hawke  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:41 PM Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:55, Jeff Hawke  wrote:
> >
> > > the WG then collate them and decide the final form of the
> > > recommendations, to be implemented by the WMF
> >
> > This seems to be missing a rather crucial intermediate step; the one
> > where the recommendations are accepted, or not, by the wider Wikimedia
> > community.
> >
>
>  That step is not mentioned at
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_steps_will_take_place_in_the_next_few_months_to_put_a_decision-making_process_in_place?

But it is alluded to further down that page, albeit with an apparent
assumption that the recommendations will (all) be implemented:

   
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_are_the_steps_that_will_take_place_between_recommendations_being_published_and_implementation?

In the light of Nicole's recent - and reassuring - email:

   https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-August/093303.html

perhaps that section could be updated to reflect that:

   "[recommendations not needing the legal authority of the board] will
then be further delegated to other community mechanisms and
structures for approval or further consultation."

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Andy Mabbett]

On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:55, Jeff Hawke  wrote:

> the WG then collate them and decide the final form of the
> recommendations, to be implemented by the WMF

This seems to be missing a rather crucial intermediate step; the one
where the recommendations are accepted, or not, by the wider Wikimedia
community.

While some of the changes recommended may be in the gift of the WMF to
apply unilaterally, others are not, and there is ample evidence that
attempting to do so would be far from advisable.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Andy Mabbett]

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 22:09, Pine W  wrote:

> I don't want people to feel that their ideas are being casually dismissed

I don't want people to feel their genuine concerns are being casually
dismissed; not least with glib lines like "All change has negative
connotations to some members of the community".

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Andy Mabbett]

On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 23:40, Aron Manning  wrote:

> 1st article
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/20/us/slave-photographs-harvard.html> is
> about commercial use (NC): "the university is illegally profiting from the
> images by using them for “advertising and commercial purposes,” such as by
> using Renty’s image on the cover of a $40 anthropology book."

You're quoting out of context. The words you quote are proceeded by
"The lawsuit says that...". So it's no more than an allegation, which
may well prove to be false. No argument is made, that an "NC" licence
could be applied to images that were taken "almost 170 years " ago and
whose copyright has therefore almost certainly expired. If such images
were published by a GLAM under an NC licence, we'd likely ignore it
and treat them as PD.

> 2nd article
> <https://s3.amazonaws.com/documents.lexology.com/10a84c6c-538e-41d6-816e-f61460946a79.pdf>
> is
> about derivative work (ND): "The past year has had several high profile
> examples of the perceived misuse of Native American culture find
> significant echo in the media. These include a Victoria’s Secret model
> wearing a headdress during a fashion show, the No Doubt music bands
> ’cowboys and Indians' themed music video, and the use of the “Navajo” name
> and symbols on various goods by the clothing company Urban Outfitters
> attracting legal proceedings for misrepresenting the products’ origins as
> well as public ire."

The original is paywalled for me, but from what you quote, none of
those case studies concerns the use of media which could have been
released under an NC licence, and no argument is made that such a
licence could be applied to anything which would prevent such cultural
appropriation.

> It's my conclusion these "explain the need" for *some* solution to disallow
> such usages. NC and ND is one way to express this prohibition.

I see no basis for concluding that NC or ND address the probelm to
which you refer. Perhaps you would care to
elaborate on your reasoning, with examples?



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Andy Mabbett]

On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 21:43, Philip Kopetzky  wrote:

> these are still rather talking points than specific
> visions of the future and it would be great to discuss them in that way.

Beyond what I have already said, I do not see any merit in discussing
glib statements like "All change has negative connotations to some
members of the community", whether as "talking points" or anything
else

I would be happy to understand the thought process behind the working
group's proposals, and to discuss that, if they care to explain it by
giving a sensible and considered set of answers to the question "Could
this Recommendation have a negative impact/change?".

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Andy Mabbett]

On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 16:51, Nicole Ebber  wrote:

> This is a
> process for all of us to shape our shared future, together; let’s keep
> engaging and challenging one another in this same spirit.

Perhaps it would also be in keeping with that spirit for this:

Q4a. Could this Recommendation have a negative impact/change?

All change has negative connotations to some members of the community

to be re-written, to actually reflect the proposal's real and significant risks?

As it stands, I do not find it to be "solution-oriented", nor
indicative of "due review and reflection", nor "in the spirit of
collegial collaboration", and I do not think anyone could plausibly
argue that it is any of those things.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] An updated design for the Wikimedia Foundation website

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On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 at 02:31, Gregory Varnum  wrote:

> Today, we are  thrilled to share an updated visual design style on the
> Wikimedia Foundation website (wikimediafoundation.org)!

Thank you. This is a vast improvement on the previous design.

However, I'm troubled that there is a scrolling background image, and
I cannot find a way to stop it moving. This is in breach of this WCAG
2 web accessibility guideline:

   https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/time-limits-pause.html

and, if that guideline is breached right on the home page, then I am
concerned that insufficnt thought has been given to accessibility in
general.

What kind of accessibility audit was undertaken on the new design?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banning real identities

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> Den fre. 5. jul. 2019 kl. 11.53 skrev Thomas Townsend  > You don;t explain why being "doxxed" was a bad thing for you, or
> > indeed what the downside is for anyone,  You simply assert that it is
> > a Bad Thing and must not happen.  Would you like to give your reasons
> > for those assertions?

I lost my wallet to a pickpocket last week. Do I now need to give
reasons why this was a bad thing?

Quite apart from the fact that you ignore the text "It may get them
jailed for the wrong reasons. It may get them harmed for their genuine
contributions."

On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 12:25, Thyge  wrote:
>
> - and please explain the meaning of 'doxxed" as well. Is that US slang?

If only there was some sort of free online encyclopedia, where such
things could be looked up:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

[Andy Mabbett]

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 19:18, Kirill Lokshin  wrote:

> Rather, the problem occurs when a *popular* competent editor violates the
> civility policy (or, for particularly popular editors, virtually any other
> policy); the traditional consensus-based approach to policy enforcement
> makes it difficult, if not impossible, to effectively sanction an editor
> with a substantial contingent of vocal supporters who will argue against
> any such sanctions whenever the opportunity arises.

This.

And a number (not everyone, of course) of those screaming loudest
about the WMF's recent action are those whose style of behaviour would
see them sanctioned if a civility policy were properly enforced.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

[Andy Mabbett]

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 19:52, David Gerard  wrote:

> I think the problem is that the pathological people, having been
> called out on being pathological, decided to double down on the
> original complainant.

The supposed original complainant.

We have seen scant evdience to suggest any basis of truth in this.

> See also: Gamergate, a clearly apt and apposite
> comparison.

Indeed.

And blaiming WMF for this is ridiculous.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

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On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 18:51, Todd Allen  wrote:

> It is not always necessary for everyone to see everything,
> but it is crucial for the accused party to. They have the right to defend
> themself.

Do they, really?

If your local restaurant or supermarket decides to ban you, do you
have that right then?

What about Facebook, Twitter, or Flickr?

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