Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration team reprioritization

2015-09-01 Thread Nathan
I don't know how Wikimedia engineering tracks project resource usage - is there a number out there for the total cost to the WMF associated with the Flow project? At a basic minimum, the number of developer and other hours dedicated to Flow (including fully dedicated contractors)? Is it likely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement

2015-08-31 Thread Nathan
Very sorry to hear that, Philippe. From the perspective of an outsider to the WMF and many of the "interior processes" of the Wikimedia community, you have always been a ray of light and a source of insight, knowledge and order. Your presence in a discussion, debate or process has always elevated

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-18 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Antanana, And I forgot to mention, this same issue existed in 2014 as well, with also there the downside effects. This subject is of banners has been discussed internally with the local Wiki Loves Monuments

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect's first birthday

2015-08-11 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: What I would hope for is guidance from the WMF Board that specifically outlines when WMF invocation of superprotect is and isn't appropriate [1], and which I believe is already being discussed internally by the Board. With

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Nathan
Craig - are you volunteering to lovingly handcraft the Waray encyclopedia article by article? Suggesting people go use Wikidata seems crazy. How will Waray speakers even know that Wikidata exists? How will they know how to manipulate the interface? More readable information available in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changing our volunteer structure at Wikimedia UK

2015-06-05 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: The bizarre part of this is that the charity you are currently chairman of, does not do any meaningful checks on members when they join (for five quid). The fact remains that only one person is excluded from membership, voting or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] While Election committee counts the votes...

2015-06-03 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 2015-06-03 17:42, Raymond Leonard wrote: Folks, At the link, you can find List votes: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Elections 2015 https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/list/512 Yours,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Results of the 2015 Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) election

2015-05-15 Thread Nathan
That formatting is messy for me (and it isn't perfect on Meta either), but just to clarify: The elected candidates are Lorenzo Losa, Michal Buczynski, Liam wyatt, Mike Peel and Itzik Edri? And for the ombusman, the elected person is Kirill Lokshin? Thanks, ~Nathan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Indonesia 2014 Financial Statements

2015-05-10 Thread Nathan
. Quick note on the report: In paragraph two, there is an error in the dates of the lease agreement on the English side - it should read 2014-2016, not 2016-2016. In paragraph 4, the starting account balance should be written in rupiah, not dollars. ~Nathan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-29 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote: Some questions though - if WMUK staff are included, should WUG staff also be included? If they are included, why not include the people doing staff-level volunteer work for non-staffed affiliates? If those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-28 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:43 PM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel it...@wikimedia.org.il wrote: Any response or input from the Election Committee? I think Greg said it relatively well earlier as the coordinator

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Nathan
I think this is definitely worthy of discussion and I agree that either all employees of WMF affiliates should be permitted to vote or employee status should be removed as an element of eligibility. Hopefully the board and its electioneers will weigh in with their opinions.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Nathan
The idea of community elected seats is just that; the electors are members of the community. So if we decide that employees of community organizations, like the WMF, are part of the Wikimedia community... then they should have the right to vote on community seats of the Board of Trustees. Whether

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Aleksey Bilogur aleksey.bilo...@gmail.com wrote: Employees of WMDE, a large chunk of whose funding is dependent on the decisions of the body they have just been enfranchised to vote for. Yeah, no COI there *at all*. Er, no more than any staff member of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

2015-04-08 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I like the ideas about setting up a variety of remote clusters as well as remote individual employees. Google, Microsoft and Facebook have remote clusters, and I'm sure that many other companies do this as well. Besides

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

2015-04-01 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Gilles Dubuc gil...@wikimedia.org wrote: To me Josh's point in the other thread settles this argument. I can't presume to know better than the people this service is made for what is good for them. People in other cultures have values as well. They might be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

2015-04-01 Thread Nathan
Jens - your reply to Gerard on the other thread (where it is surely off topic) was published a couple of hours ago. On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Jens Best best.j...@gmail.com wrote: Dear James, your praising of WP0 surely deserves or even needs an appropiated answer, but as I can't see my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing: The Wikipedia Prize!

2015-03-30 Thread Nathan
I'm hoping this is satire, but if it isn't, I think anyone paying others to out Wikimedians should minimally be barred from further participation in the movement. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

2015-03-19 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:16 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: when ticketed, this is usually to control numbers when space is limited. This model works pretty well and makes them popular events; indeed, they're one of our most visible public activities. I don't see where the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediameta-l] Bye

2015-02-24 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:59 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Which email ? the crowdfunding email? Austin, do the list admins have another perspective to justify their action? -- John Vandenberg I'd like the answer to this question too.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Engineering Community

2015-02-13 Thread Nathan
I think the goal with this message is to kick off a deeper, more meaningful engagement between engineering and the various communities that use MediaWiki. But it's hard to see how the message will move the needle. It's jargony, as if aimed at an audience of software developers. The mechanisms

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)

2015-02-02 Thread Nathan
I wasted the few minutes necessary to read Trillium's blog post, and I don't recommend anyone else make that same mistake. He's taken a few incidents in a 7 year period, presented them utterly without the totally necessary context, and ignored any evidence that might make it clear how silly and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please report to Google [was Re: Warning: Wikimedia-l Google Group]

2015-01-10 Thread Nathan
As was I. On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: I was resubscribed. Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikipedian in Residence at Cochrane Collaboration On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:18 AM, rubin.happy rubin.ha...@gmail.com wrote: I was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

2015-01-09 Thread Nathan
Please try not to split threads. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread Nathan
You certainly put a lot of time and effort into being wrong. Any first year undergraduate writing course will tell you that to make an argument you need to address the counter-arguments, which you have failed even to mention. Diversity of contributors isn't a social justice goal, or even a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New project idea: WikiTribute

2015-01-08 Thread Nathan
Matt, I think people politely declined to criticize your proposal in the knowledge that it was absolutely sure to fail, meaning vocal opposition was not required. But I can understand your frustration at the lack of response, so I'll briefly provide you with mine. The WikiTribute idea firstly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Leigh Thelmadatter osama...@hotmail.com wrote: I dont think the issue is the idea of encouraging projects that increase the participation of women, but rather the message that everything else is getting shoved aside. I don't see how you can come to this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-11 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Steven, Quite seriously, if you can't understand the concept of copyright and derivative works, then perhaps this is not the project for you. There's nothing more to say. Russavia That comment is unhelpful

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-11 Thread Nathan
Maybe Russavia is having a bad day and needs a time out. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-11 Thread Nathan
What about this file? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2007-11-21_Hammamet-VW-2.JPG The image is of a car, and the car has a logo and design motif on it that is surely eligible for copyright. COM:PACKAGING doesn't seem to refer to any packaging specific jurisprudence, so presumably the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-11 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Nathan To answer the tractor question first. Of course not, there is nothing copyrightable in this image. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Trademarked is never a reason for deletion. The logo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Nathan
Wasn't there also an issue with WMUK processing payments, in that they couldn't pass 100% of the donations on to the WMF but had to retain some or most of the funds in order to remain independent under British law? That seems like a good reason why the WMF might not want WMUK to process payments,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Gendergap-I] Re: Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Site Admin 1924@gmail.com wrote: Dear David This is yet another example of how Wikipedia is seriously broken Here is a screenshot of a deliberate full screen advt being thrust on the global south. http://i.imgur.com/2J0FgAP.jpg Our IT team has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: To others I imagine it reads like those spam emails with Have you seen this article? in the subject line with spoofed email addresses. Thank you for keeping working on this, and not getting pulled into emotion.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, For what it is worth ... http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_CJE-09-5_en.htm Thanks, GerardM For the benefit of others... The press release, from 2009, describes a preliminary ruling that states of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To donate or not

2014-12-05 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: What differs us from Uber and makes our position better is the fact that we are community-driven movement (as well as encyclopedia publishers are on average much more predatory organizations than various organizations of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: From my Australian perspective, it's interesting because we've never had 'net neutrality' in the way that it is described in the US and, with appropriate competition and regulation this is not been a problem. e.g.: Net

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC funds allocation recommendation is up

2014-11-25 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: Excellently put Lodewijk. In an attempt to answer your question: I would like to ask for clarification the expectations of raising funds externally. In previous years, as has been mentioned earlier in this thread, it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC funds allocation recommendation is up

2014-11-24 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Juergen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.com wrote: snip And isn't it ironic that at a time when the German chapter understood that it had to intensify links with the community and partly already succeeded in getting back on track it is given less money,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Audit - June 30, 2014

2014-10-15 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 10/15/2014 04:52 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: I suggest that you need a stricter definition to start with. It's also highly disputable that the Foundation would be justified in reducing the fiduciary care it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Audit - June 30, 2014

2014-10-13 Thread Nathan
Thanks Garfield. The annual plan has a nice representation of staffing growth in the last 5 years. In 2009-2010, the WMF had 50 employees. In this fiscal year it anticipates having 240. The staff expense went from 2.2m in 2009 to nearly 20m in the recently ended year, and surely much more for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding

2014-10-10 Thread Nathan
I'm sure I'm not the only one waiting with interest to see Fae's comprehensive proposal for reforming the process. Once that proposal has been offered, anyone interested can comment on whether it is an improvement to the current process. If the consensus is that it is, great! If not, then we can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding

2014-10-10 Thread Nathan
He's already stated his concerns repeatedly. It would be a lot more constructive if he had any suggestions for improvement. As always, the issue with Fae's comments is that he buries a valid point in a mess of combative argumentation and borderline offensive aspersions. If he believes the process

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-06 Thread Nathan
such as courage and integrity, I think it would have been better expressed without the ringing endorsement of Che Guevara. As you say, we should choose our words carefully and ensure that our language is positive and inclusive. This is obviously an area where we can all make progress. ~Nathan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Lighter Side of the Movement

2014-09-17 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Coincidentally, when I eye up the participation levels on this project and other WP humor projects (there are several more listed near the bottom of that page) with some rough metrics, activity seems to have peaked around

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

2014-09-11 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote: Against the funds of WMF. A second conference open to the public would be a second yearly Wikimania, and to open it means to have a budget more or less equal to Wikimania. In addition there are not represented some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

2014-09-11 Thread Nathan
Since before planning gets underway is the perfect time to clarify the conference title, and Anh Chung was kind enough to create the pages, I've taken the liberty of moving them to [[Wikimedia Affiliates Conference 2015]]. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

2014-09-11 Thread Nathan
Hi Bence, We strive not to be bound by bureaucracy, don't we? If we discover that a simple name (as generic as Wikimedia Conference) is slightly misleading, or not completely accurate, then why should we avoid changing it? Particularly as it appears that no process has begun to plan the next

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

2014-09-11 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: The name could be changed if the participants/organisers want to change it. As I tried to point out, I don't see the name as the underlying problem people really have, and changing it will not solve the problem of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

2014-09-11 Thread Nathan
An editor has moved the pages back, for anyone interested. Amusingly illogical rationale in the edit summary, but what can you do. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Belgium as a Wikimedia chapter by the WMF Board

2014-09-02 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks all! The next step will be the actual founding. In two days we already have a meeting to talk about it. Anyone interested in the founding, you are welcome to sign up at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New movement org?

2014-08-21 Thread Nathan
Hi Richard, any links to where you found this information? On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Hi all, I note that a new Wikimedia organisation has been setup in Michigan, called the Wikipedia Editors Foundation Inc, as of about a week

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New movement org?

2014-08-21 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:21 PM, James Forrester jdforres...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 August 2014 09:13, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Richard, any links to where you found this information? ​The ever-excellent OpenCorporates has its entry: https://opencorporates.com/companies

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] Transparency and right to be forgotten notices from search engines

2014-08-06 Thread Nathan
Thanks very much for this, Stephen and the legal team. I especially appreciate that the WMF has decided to make public the specific notifications of the use of the Right to be forgotten in the EU.[1] It's interesting that the bulk of the suppression requests have come from a single (ex?)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-05 Thread Nathan
On July 7th, Katherine Maher of the WMF said that they had not received any notifications and had not made a decision as to how or whether to publicize them. She did say that she thought it would be on next year's transparency report (the first instance of which either came out recently or is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unacceptable -- CheckUser abuse gone uninvestigated

2014-08-02 Thread Nathan
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 1:25 AM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Russavia said something nice to someone in 2013 on their retirement, and raised a formal complaint about an unknown CU's action in 2014. How

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-02 Thread Nathan
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: The title of the article above an image of Jimmy Wales, is: Wikipedia link to be hidden in Google under 'right to be forgotten' law Request for blocking of search results granted to anonymous applicant is first to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unacceptable -- CheckUser abuse gone uninvestigated

2014-08-02 Thread Nathan
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 9:19 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 August 2014 17:18, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: ... i personally do not care about the russavia case in particular i must say. but i care about the (non-)care of persons having access to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote: No, I'm saying this doesn't matter and people should get back to doing whatever they feel is actually important. Let it go. It really does not matter. AT ALL. I can't agree. It's clear that lives are at stake, not to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unacceptable -- CheckUser abuse gone uninvestigated

2014-08-01 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Commission, nor the WMF Board. Given this, I am asking very publicly the following questions: * (1) on what grounds a CheckUser action was performed on my account on Wikimedia Commons? * (2) who requested that it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote: No, I'm saying this doesn't matter and people should get back to doing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-07-31 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: To make matters a little worse, the US House of Representatives IP has taken to vandalising the Russian Wikipedia article for the Russian national anthem,[5] replacing sheet music for the anthem with the sheet

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Research Committee

2014-07-17 Thread Nathan
or on the other list. Thanks, Nathan On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Aaron Halfaker ahalfa...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey folks, I appreciate your discussion here. However, you're unlikely to get any participation from actual wiki researchers on wikimedia-l See wiki-research-l[1], the mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Lane Rasberry l...@bluerasberry.com wrote: Hello, I feel that this is an unethical research project and I have told the researcher so. We exchanged several emails and were unable to understand each other. I asked them to please have their university ethics

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Nathan
To avoid confusion with researchers in the future, I've made some minor changes to the research related pages on Meta (see below). This should help ensure that outdated documentation does not cause unnecessarily delay and/or expense for those interested in doing Wikimedia-related research. 1:

[Wikimedia-l] Research Committee

2014-07-16 Thread Nathan
is basically wound up without any hope or plan or achieving them. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: To avoid confusion with researchers in the future, I've made some minor changes to the research related pages on Meta (see below). This should help ensure

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Research Committee

2014-07-16 Thread Nathan
And... unsurprisingly, Aaron has reverted the changes I referred to above. Not with any explanation, of course, other than not true. Looking at the list of reviewed projects (where the review appears to constitute a small handful of questions on the talkpage), the RCOM has reviewed a total of 10

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-14 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:40 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gryllida, As I said on the Arbcom case page, RfCs result in changes to Wikipedia on a regular basis despite having a small numbers of participants in each RfC, and current English Wikipedia policy does not require a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi community members, I'm wondering how many people might be interested in having an IRC meeting regarding the community's relationship to WMF and potentially developing our own strategic plan that would be independent of

[Wikimedia-l] Right to be forgotten

2014-07-07 Thread Nathan
published some of the notifications, inducing a sort of Streisand effect. Will the WMF publish or publicly track somewhere the receipt of these notifications? ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Number of volunteers. (Was: How many volunteers (not editors) ...?)

2014-07-01 Thread Nathan
There are over four hundred list moderators?? I'm shocked there are even that many people contributing to official mailing lists! ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-27 Thread Nathan
Trillium, Let's be clear about a few things. The only data that checkusers get is a subset of the data that the WMF webservers (and all other webservers throughout the Internet) collect on all visitors. This is data that is voluntarily disclosed by readers (although they may not all be aware of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Nathan
The issue is *about* Commons but doesn't only affect Commons, particularly the discussion around alternative methods of making not-purely-free files available and searchable across Commons. As you can see from the growing discontent with Commons, this URAA issue is not the only problem. It's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Nathan
Correction - the first line should read available and searchable across WMF projects. Apologies for double posting. On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: The issue is *about* Commons but doesn't only affect Commons, particularly the discussion around alternative

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation (was Wikiconference USA in the media)

2014-06-18 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: I have taken a moment to find a relevant reference to back up my memory, see [1] which shows Salvio giuliano vigorously defending his use of the word butthurt. Salvio giulano is a current English Wikipedia Arbcom member. I have not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-17 Thread Nathan
I don't think the concept of the project is the problem. I'm skeptical that an Uncommons project built around fair use could be workable, considering that the validity of a fair use claim is context-specific and no cross-wiki project (like Commons) is going to have an easy time managing that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-17 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is the behavior of a certain core set of Commons admins; George, SJ, and Nathan: In addition to Erik Moeller's initial proposal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-17 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:29 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think the concept of the project is the problem. I'm skeptical that an Uncommons project built around fair use could be workable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On relationship gossip and appropriate conversation

2014-06-15 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: All: In other Wikimedia-related forums, recent discussions have focused on some (alleged) comments at the Wiki Conference in New York. Apparently, some people suggested that the WMF's Executive Director should dump

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On relationship gossip and appropriate conversation

2014-06-15 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: No, I have not recapped the whole situation. What I think is appropriate is that we find a way to bring the situation to a calm conclusion of some kind

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement on Wikipedia from participating communications firms

2014-06-12 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:11 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PRSTATEMENT The statement is a nice read and it's hardly objectionable. I'd expect nothing less from a group of public relations folks, all of whom have a very vested interest

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA in the media

2014-06-07 Thread Nathan
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Martin Rulsch martin.rul...@wikimedia.de wrote: And what's the purpose of your question(s)? How does it help you to know what he said or not? Do you want to get an impression of his character? Then better start over with fresh questions than the tendentious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Nathan
substantial input of community members. As a result, the finished policy has rightly garnered a lot of support and approval, and personally I'm happy to see it go live tomorrow. ~Nathan On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Trillium Corsage trillium2...@yandex.com wrote: I am writing to ask that the new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Nathan, 05/06/2014 18:46: As a result, the finished policy has rightly garnered a lot of support and approval, {{citation needed}} https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/05/07/launching-a-privacy-policy-built

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-06-04 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:54 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: A question to Yana et al.: Is there any reason for the WMF to promote/sign Zero agreements instead of the local chapters/user groups? I mean, if that ability was subsidized to the chapters we could have a different

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)

2014-06-03 Thread Nathan
or in part, if he proves that he is not responsible for the event giving rise to the damage. Does this, perhaps in conjunction with the Section 230 status of the WMF, provide some cover? CC'd to the advocacy advisory list. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)

2014-06-03 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:23 PM, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: On 03/06/2014 12:53, Mark wrote: On 6/2/14, 10:55 PM, ??? wrote: There is no public interest in how many time celeb X got a detention at school for not doing their homework at junior high. Isn't that the kind of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)

2014-06-03 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:54 PM, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: On 03/06/2014 22:35, Nathan wrote: Interesting. Can you link me to a biography where a school detention is the main feature of the article? How about this 8 yo? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-06-02 Thread Nathan
to respond, but I don't think there is a strong moral basis for not providing the round total number. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-06-02 Thread Nathan
observers. I looked for one in the AffCom meta garden but couldn't find anything quite like that. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-06-02 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: £2600 for everything. Got to get on! Don't want to get accused of hogging the lists! Thanks Jon! Sorry for my confusion, appreciate the response. (And its a new month, and a new posting limit!).

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-06-01 Thread Nathan
it seriously should not be too difficult to do this in a timely fashion. Cheers Russavia The conference was in Berlin, not New York. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2014 ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-30 Thread Nathan
that the program to support such an organization had died, we put in to be a user group. Out of curiosity, what does the Borregos in the name mean? ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-29 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: Wil, Just for the record, hands-off is the best way to describe our approach to wikimedia-l moderation. We (the administrators) sometimes step in when a thread or a poster gets way out of control, but for this list, that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sam, If all the steps could happen at the same time, and decisions were made by a single person, then the process could indeed be done in 30 minutes under ideal circumstances (a person being 24/7 online, and all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1 - user privacy

2014-05-29 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Lila, My read of the *new* Privacy Policy is that nonpublic emails sent to WMF should remain nonpublic unless the user gives consent to the contrary. The policy states that We may share your information for a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Chair of the Supervisory Board – the 14th WMDE General Assembly in retrospect

2014-05-29 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tuesday, May 27, 2014, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Markus Glaser markus.gla...@wikimedia.de javascript:;wrote: As we have more than 1 members now I did not realize WMDE

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome Rachel diCerbo, Director of Community Engagement

2014-05-28 Thread Nathan
Welcome Rachel! Erik (or someone else), is there a succinct description of the mission of the Community Engagement and Community Advocacy departments, and/or especially a summary of the difference between their roles? Your e-mail from December included some of this information, I'm just curious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Nathan
appreciate that you have made it clear you've seen the threads of the last few weeks and understand the concerns that posters have described. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome Rachel diCerbo, Director of Community Engagement

2014-05-28 Thread Nathan
Perfect. Thanks as always Philippe for being awesome. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

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