[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia stewards and What the weirdest, wildest, most successful participatory project in history tells us about working together

2014-11-06 Thread Pine W
I've had a number of discussions with our stewards over the years. Many of them are dedicated, polite, clever, and highly sophisticated in the ways of the Wiki. They get no pay and little glory for their delicate work, and we often take their availability for granted. The title of this article

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

2014-11-04 Thread Pine W
Hi all, As you may have heard, I've started temporary contract work for WMF as an intern in Learning and Evaluation. [1] My work will focus on the Learning Patterns Library. [2] One of the goals for the internship is to enable easier and better reporting about grants, including financial reports.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ED response to the recommendations by the FDC Advisory Group on the APG program

2014-11-02 Thread Pine W
Hi Mike, would you like to post your questions on the talk page? A collection of questions and comments are accumulating there. I would encourage my fellow community budgeteers and strategists to comment also. Pine (speaking only in my personal capacity)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Experimenting on Wikimedians

2014-11-01 Thread Pine W
Forwarding to Research and Analytics for discussion. Pine On Oct 30, 2014 8:13 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. Splitting this out from the GLAMs/Chapters thread, I continue to regularly wonder whether we need stricter guidelines and guidance in the area of experimenting on

[Wikimedia-l] Editor interaction data sets and visualizations

2014-10-17 Thread Pine W
Dear colleagues, As you may have heard, https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Editor_Interaction_Data_Extraction_and_Visualization is an individual engagement grant proposal. I am working on this proposal with volunteer assistance and advice from Aaron Halfaker (WMF), Haitham Shammaa (WMF),

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference[1] 2015

2014-10-16 Thread Pine W
Hi, I can speak only in a personal capacity. My occasional readings of information about WMCH have been positive. I anticipate that visa problems will be no greater than they were at Wikimania London. The admittedly limited information about the bid sounds reasonable, as far as it goes. I assume

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Audit - June 30, 2014

2014-10-16 Thread Pine W
Hi Garfield, This might be a good discussion to have on Meta. Would the investment team be willing to set up a page for discussion? The guidance developed there could optionally be used by thematic organizations as well, and could be used for the WMF endowment. WMF Fundraising might want to be

[Wikimedia-l] Happy Ada Lovelace Day

2014-10-15 Thread Pine W
Ada Lovelace Day is celebrated on October 14 this year. Augusta Ada King, Countess of Lovelace (born in the year 1815) was a mathematician and computer programmer who worked on Charles Babbage's Analytical Engine. She foresaw how computers could evolve into devices that perform tasks more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Audit - June 30, 2014

2014-10-14 Thread Pine W
with organizational values. I think WMF's donors would appreciate having a policy that they could look at, especially when considering a possible WMF endowment. Pine On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 3:23 PM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaus-l] Wikimedia DC Annual Plan for 2014-15

2014-10-14 Thread Pine W
Hi Kirill, Thanks for the info. I looked at this to get ideas for Cascadia. What are WMDC's current financials, what is its budget for the 14-15 plan year, and what are its sources of funds for last year and the 14-15 year? Can you quanitify the amount of volunteer and staff hours last year? Do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Audit - June 30, 2014

2014-10-13 Thread Pine W
Hi Garfield, Thanks for the update. Is there public documentation somewhere about WMF investment policy? Who manages the investments, how was that firm or people chosen, and how often is the performance and risk of the portfolio and the investment manager reviewed by the Board? I am particularly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Audit - June 30, 2014

2014-10-13 Thread Pine W
Thanks Asaf, but I have enough volunteer work to do already (: I am simply interested in understanding what is already being done. Pine On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: reviewed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Audit - June 30, 2014

2014-10-13 Thread Pine W
Hi Nathan, there was some discussion about this around the most recent Annual Plan. While I think we need to make sure that hiring is aligned with needs and strategy, the personnel issue that worries me the most is the active editor decline. We may wish to address both of these issues in the new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [AffCom] Quarterly goals for WMF Legal

2014-10-12 Thread Pine W
Hi Nemo, Cascadia Wikimedians' current discussions with Affcom and WMF Legal are about some wording on the Affiliation Agreement document. We have not discussed becoming a chapter in any great detail, and as you note the WMF Board created a longevity requirement. We have had informal meetings in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [AffCom] Quarterly goals for WMF Legal

2014-10-11 Thread Pine W
10, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kirill, my understanding is that Affcom functions under the Legal department, much like the Individual Engagement Grants Committee functions under the Grantmaking department. Is that so, and if not, which department

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [AffCom] Quarterly goals for WMF Legal

2014-10-11 Thread Pine W
a long way. Best regards, Lodewijk (outgoing AffCom member, not speaking on behalf of anyone else) 2014-10-11 10:23 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com: Thank you for that information, Asaf, Kirill, and James. James: my point still stands that somehow at IEGCom we are able

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly goals for WMF Legal

2014-10-10 Thread Pine W
, and that may add to the response time as well. As I say, please feel free to email me, and we will try to expedite a response to your specific question. Best, Stephen On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Geoff, In light of the above discussion about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-09 Thread Pine W
I'm sure a Board member, Lila, or Erik will correct me if I am mistaken, but my understanding is that there is internal agreement at Board level that the Product side of the org needs some systemic changes, that Lila was chosen with the goal of making those changes, and that some changes are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-09 Thread Pine W
can address or should I ask Garfield? Thanks, Pine On Oct 9, 2014 4:44 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure a Board member, Lila, or Erik will correct me if I am mistaken, but my understanding

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-09 Thread Pine W
, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the detailed comments, Erik. As someone who spent several volunteer hours reviewing the current Annual Plan, I would appreciate getting an understanding of how the change of emphasis to quarterly reviews affects budgets, hiring

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-08 Thread Pine W
Hi Lila, May I request a Tech Talk about efficiency and quality of Wikimedia software development? It would be interesting to have you, Erik and Damon as presenters. Thanks, Pine On Oct 7, 2014 9:07 AM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: Are you in? Or are you out? That is the question.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Intoduction for OPW Round 9 (Wikimedia Identities Editor)

2014-10-08 Thread Pine W
Hi Divyanshi, Let me ask Quim to point you in the right direction. Pine On Oct 7, 2014 6:48 AM, Divyanshi Kathuria divyanshikathu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everyone, warm greetings to you all. This is Divyanshi Kathuria and I am currently pursuing BTech 2nd Year in Computer Science

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Jake Orlowitz/Ocaasi comes onto the Grantmaking team at WMF with The Wikipedia Library

2014-10-06 Thread Pine W
It's great to hear that this is official, Ocaasi and colleagues. Thanks also to Siko and Anasuya for supporting this. [COI declaration: I'm on IEGCom and I sonewhat passionately believe that we grow the awesome. :) ] Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list,

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Phabricator is now open for everyone

2014-10-06 Thread Pine W
Forwarding good news. Pine -- Forwarded message -- From: Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org Date: Oct 6, 2014 2:35 PM Subject: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Phabricator is now open for everyone To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Today we celebrate an important

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2014-10-05 Thread Pine W
Hi Itzik, If I understand you correctly, you are asking about whether WMF and thematic organization bylaws should allow employees to vote in trustee elections for their own orgs. I can see how this could create interesting conflict-of-interest problems. However, in all non-autocratic republics

[Wikimedia-l] Quarterly review for Grantmaking

2014-10-05 Thread Pine W
Tilman, thanks for those notes. There was discussion awhile ago about involving the community in quarterly reviews, and I have some questions and comments about this review, mostly for Lila. However, I would like to see the notes from the group mentioned at the end of the quarterly review before

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2014-10-05 Thread Pine W
How are we doing on SUL finalization anyway? If I remember correctly the lead on this is Dan so I'm pinging him. Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly review for Grantmaking

2014-10-05 Thread Pine W
://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-October/074824.html ) On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Tilman, thanks for those notes. As mentioned at the top of the page, these minutes were actually taken by Anna Koval and Maria Cruz. (I had been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2014-10-05 Thread Pine W
Thanks Dan. Can you share an approximate completion date? (What is with half of the WMF staff responding to routine emails on weekends? All you workaholics and overachievers...) :) Pine On Oct 5, 2014 8:55 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 5 October 2014 10:00, Pine W wiki.p

[Wikimedia-l] Individual Engagement Grants Committee membership appointments

2014-10-02 Thread Pine W
The Individual Engagement Grants Committee (IEGCom) is pleased to announce that the following contributors are appointed as new members of the Committee: Calliopejen1 Kirill Lokshin Poupou l'quourouce Rjensen Thepwnco For the Committee, Pine ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF September 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, October 2, 18:00 UTC

2014-09-30 Thread Pine W
Sounds good, thanks Erik. Pine On Sep 29, 2014 10:02 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Praveena. For future meetings, could you set up a place on Meta where people can make requests and suggestions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Damon Sicore joins WMF as Vice President of Engineering

2014-09-29 Thread Pine W
Thanks for this good news that's timely for Strategic Plan development. Damon, it would be nice if you would set up an IRC office hour for QA with the community. Cheers, Pine On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 10:40 AM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 29 September 2014 13:38, Lila

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Individual Engagement Grant funding available

2014-09-29 Thread Pine W
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/IEG_Round_Two_-_2014/ru Pine On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Forwarding from Siko Bouterse: Greetings! The Wikimedia Foundation Individual Engagement Grants program is accepting proposals for funding new experiments

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF September 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, October 2, 18:00 UTC

2014-09-28 Thread Pine W
. Please bear in mind that we might not be able to address your inquiries this week -- it depends on how many topics are already in the pipeline for the next meeting. Thanks, Praveena On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Praveena, My understanding

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF September 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, October 2, 18:00 UTC

2014-09-27 Thread Pine W
discussed on the agenda, then please join the meeting next Thursday and ask questions on IRC. Thanks, Praveena On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Praveena, Can you provide a little more detail about what this meeting is likely to include? I am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Be part of the most epic data collection and analysis of Wikimedia programs!

2014-09-26 Thread Pine W
detailed response. Answers in line! On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anasuya, Thanks for this announcement. It will be interesting to see what we learn from this round. I have a few questions. * People may feel more comfortable with providing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF September 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, October 2, 18:00 UTC

2014-09-25 Thread Pine W
Hi Praveena, Can you provide a little more detail about what this meeting is likely to include? I am particularly interested in knowing if Lila will share a timeline and milestones for development of the Strategic Plan, and if we'll get an update from Analytics about accounting for mobile

[Wikimedia-l] ***Security notice*** for IRC: vulnerability prior to September 15, change passwords

2014-09-24 Thread Pine W
All, As you may have heard, Freenode found some compromised servers on their networks. Network traffic, including SSL traffic, may have been sniffed by a third party. This likely affects many Wikimedia IRC users, including users who do not speak English, so please forward this notice and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Be part of the most epic data collection and analysis of Wikimedia programs!

2014-09-24 Thread Pine W
Hi Anasuya, Thanks for this announcement. It will be interesting to see what we learn from this round. I have a few questions. * People may feel more comfortable with providing reports in languages that are familiar to them. Are responses allowed in languages other than English? * The Start

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-09-23 Thread Pine W
I can't recall the details of the discussion, but I think the suggestion was made for these grants to go through GAC in the future. I still think that makes sense, if GAC has the technical knoweledge to make informed decisions about these kinds of grants. Thanks, Pine On Sep 23, 2014 12:09 AM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-21 Thread Pine W
Thanks, but I'm looking for something that is more specific to MediaWiki and that commits development teams to specific, standardized, and transparently measured quality metrics as products advance or regress in their path to production release. Pine

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-21 Thread Pine W
Given longtime experience with problematic releases of MediaWiki features, I think that published quality standards that products must meet in order to become production releases could help to limit the number and seriousness of additional troubled launches. These standards would also reduce the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-21 Thread Pine W
Just a few thoughts: * I agree that the tone of the email that started this discussion about software quality standards was unnecessarily critical. Even in production releases, users may find occasional bugs. * The intent of HHVM implementation and James' quick response to the problem report are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Jessie's IDEO adventure

2014-09-18 Thread Pine W
I'll repeat what I said earlier on the IEGCom email list: I appreciate Jessie's positive approach to program evaluation. Also, the detail and scope of evaluation reports has ramped up significantly over the past year, which has been great to see. Thanks for all your work, Jessie. Pine On Thu,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia: Ghana User Group

2014-09-15 Thread Pine W
Hello Ghana Wikimedians, A few years ago I volunteered with a nonprofit that supported education in Africa, and I have some knowledge about your country. Congratulations on your achievement. Pine On Sep 15, 2014 2:55 PM, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cascadia Wikimedians

2014-09-14 Thread Pine W
Thank you very much, Kirill and Affcom. (: Just a small amendment: we also have likely members in the British Columbia Province of Canada, and we are proud to include them in our membership if they wish to affiliate with Cascadia Wikimedians. Our most frequent activities occur in the Seattle and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

2014-09-12 Thread Pine W
, but there will inevitably be some as long as there are fewer places than people. Ed Saperia Conference Coordinator Wikimania London Sent from my iPhone On 12 Sep 2014, at 01:44, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of having this event be a pre-conference for Wikimania. That may

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

2014-09-12 Thread Pine W
Regional conferences are easier to attend for the locals, but... * There would be less mixing of people and thematic organizations from different regions * WMF's travel costs would skyrocket if it tried to send the same number of people to several regional events, and WMF would also likely have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

2014-09-11 Thread Pine W
I like the idea of having this event be a pre-conference for Wikimania. That may reduce total travel costs and travel time for the people who usually attend both events. This may also simplify planning for people and thorgs. Pine On Sep 11, 2014 5:25 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikipedia access traces ?

2014-09-10 Thread Pine W
Hi Valerio, This kind of request is a better fit for the Research mailing list. I've included the email for that list in the To: line of this email reply. Pine On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Valerio Schiavoni valerio.schiav...@gmail.com wrote: Dear WikiMedia foundation, in the context of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open call for Individual Engagement Grant proposals

2014-09-09 Thread Pine W
Hi, I just tried the Try a new tool to create your proposal button and it works for me. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Heather_Walls_should_get_a_design_award Siko, feel free to delete that page as a test edit. Pine On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Nasir Khan nasir8...@gmail.com

[Wikimedia-l] Individual Engagement Grants Committee recruiting for members

2014-09-09 Thread Pine W
Dear all, The Individual Engagement Grants Committee is seeking new members. We are diverse, consensus-based committee with members on five continents and a variety of skills. As a group we speak 16 languages and have over 500,000 edits to a variety of Wikimedia sites. We review grant

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where should we organize ideas for the Strategic Plan update?

2014-09-09 Thread Pine W
for this to be an iterative, participatory process from the ground. Let us know if you'd like to participate in setting up the pages themselves. L On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: SJ, OK, currently we have mostly the 2010-15 strategy and chapter strategies

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-08 Thread Pine W
A problem that I would like Flow to solve is the high amount of labor needed to read over a dozen pages across four wikis in order for the reader to access most of the MediaViewer discussions. Pine On Sep 8, 2014 12:22 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 September 2014 05:46, John

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where should we organize ideas for the Strategic Plan update?

2014-09-08 Thread Pine W
...@gmail.com wrote: How about a category on Meta with a set of infobox templates like those on the strategy wiki? With a summary kept updated at [[m:strategy]] On Sep 5, 2014 5:03 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Heh. That was not my first time when I started typing my email address

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-07 Thread Pine W
I would suggest aiming for a series of base hits. (: An attempt was made to hit VE out of the park. We know how well that worked. I think a lot of the work of capturing suggestions is supposed to be done by the project manager and the engineering community liaisons. It would be interesting to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-06 Thread Pine W
Something that that would be useful is a video demonstration of Flow in action. I like the goal of VE in principle, and I hear lots of comments to the effect that it is improving over time. MediaViewer seems to be on the road to improvement. I understand where both of those are headed. But I am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow - it does not flow

2014-09-06 Thread Pine W
rik, I appreciate your engaging with this *early* enough for design decisions to be adjusted before Flow gets to major rollouts. Romaine, if the Dutch uses of features like templates are not being taken into account in how features are designed, I suggest contacting the Engineering community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow - it does not flow

2014-09-06 Thread Pine W
Tim, I read that a bit differently. Flow is an *experimental* but already feature rich alternative... We will aim to cover one major set of new deployments per quarter, *carefully picking use cases*. This looks to me like the kind of incremental rollout that is appropriate. The idea of users

[Wikimedia-l] add use of wikimetrics to my resume

2014-09-05 Thread Pine W
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] add use of wikimetrics to my resume

2014-09-05 Thread Pine W
Sorry, that was intended as a note to self. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Where should we organize ideas for the Strategic Plan update?

2014-09-05 Thread Pine W
Heh. That was not my first time when I started typing my email address and instead Gmail autofilled wikimedia-l. This is what I get for choosing wiki.pine instead of pine.wiki. I need some coffee or more sleep. Anyway, this is what was supposed to go to Wikimedia-l: Do we have a central place

Re: [Wikimedia-l] add use of wikimetrics to my resume

2014-09-05 Thread Pine W
liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: Note to self: Add Familiarity with dangers of the 'reply-all' and 'auto-complete address' functions in e-mail clients. ;-) -Liam On 5 September 2014 13:52, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, that was intended as a note to self. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Pine W
FWIW, ironically the tangled discussions about MediaViewer across multiple pages have made me think that having a more organized way to read discussions would be a good idea. My understanding is that this is one of Flow's objectives. If Flow can achieve this in a way that is helpful and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffCom - Call for candidates 2015 [UPDATE]

2014-09-05 Thread Pine W
Hi Varnet, I have emailed Affcom or individual members on more than one occasion for an update about the Cascadia Wikimedians user group application. We finished our response to Affcom's last question on August 7, which was almost a month ago. We have projects that we would like to start that are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-01 Thread Pine W
martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 31, 2014 11:46 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Just in terms of the amount of everyone's time that MediaViewer, Superprotect and related issues are absorbing, this situation is a net negative for the projects. Also, the amount

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-31 Thread Pine W
Just in terms of the amount of everyone's time that MediaViewer, Superprotect and related issues are absorbing, this situation is a net negative for the projects. Also, the amount of emotional hostility that this situation involves is disheartening. Personally, I would like to see us building on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-28 Thread Pine W
widely that changes will be considered as long as they are reasonable and do not interfere with our prime directive. Again, it is about the readers not super users. Thanks, GerardM On 25 August 2014 11:16, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: The issue is not just that individual users may

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-25 Thread Pine W
The issue is not just that individual users may want to opt out, it's whether it should be activated by default for readers. There is also the matter of licensing information. I'm not aware of where thermonuclear was was threatened. There were, and continues to be, discussion about forking. MV is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-24 Thread Pine W
Yes, we could look at Google's infoboxes as doing us a favor because they decrease the load on our servers. We would need to account for those views in some way if we are interested in quantifying success in the sense of total views of our content regardless of where it is reproduced. However, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-24 Thread Pine W
I have heard very few people say don't ever change the interface. I have heard people say don't force an interface change on me that I don't think is an improvement. VE was a good example. The sentiment of the community wasn't that VE''s concept is wrong, it's that the implementation and rollout

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-20 Thread Pine W
Erik, I am curious to hear your thoughts about the proposed Technology Committee. That idea has some community support and had been discussed at some length on the WMF Board Noticeboard. Pine On Aug 19, 2014 11:55 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:48 PM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recruiting for Wikimedia security newsletter

2014-08-19 Thread Pine W
Hi Wil, Yes, this newsletter will be similar to those on the page you linked. The relevance of an article about check fraud is that Wikimedia thematic organizations should be aware of financial security issues that could impact them, and check fraud is one of those issues. Yes, a how-to article

[Wikimedia-l] Accounting software for thematic orgs

2014-08-19 Thread Pine W
Hi all, There are online small business accounting software packages. Do any thematic orgs have experience with them? Any recommendations? I am thinking about proposing Quickbooks Online for the Cascadia user group, but as this Forbes article says, there are competitors:

[Wikimedia-l] Recruiting for Wikimedia security newsletter

2014-08-18 Thread Pine W
Hi, In collaboration with Chris Steipp, I am considering starting a monthly security newsletter for Wikimedia, focused on common risks and mitigation techniques. The target audience is the broad Wikimedia community including developers, WMF and chapter employees, and volunteers with high risk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Coming to a wiki near you

2014-08-15 Thread Pine W
Gerard, I believe that the disputes about MediaViewer are mostly about the desktop platform's version, as most editors use the desktop platform to edit. In general terms, I have yet to hear someone say that the Mobile platform is a low development priority. I am familiar with Mobile-l. Mobile

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Pine W
FYI, Lila had chosen to engage in discussion on her meta talk page. Numerous editors are commenting there. Discussion also continues on the meta RFC and on the English Wikipedia arbitration workshop page. Pine On Aug 14, 2014 12:03 AM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Erik On Thu,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-12 Thread Pine W
FWIW, Lila's comments were made before the start of this email thread about superprotect. Pine On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Forwarding comments from Lila from https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALilaTretikovdiff=9454366oldid=9339030

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-12 Thread Pine W
Straniu, Jimbo's comments in his keynote about forking concerned encouraging competent editors who can't work cooperatively with other people to fork in a way that would be better for everyone in the long run. I don't believe this disappointing confrontation between the WMF and volunteers were

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-10 Thread Pine W
Lila, I hope you are aware of the issues being described in this thread. Would you please state your views on this situation? Pine On Aug 10, 2014 6:09 PM, Tomasz W. Kozłowski twkozlow...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 August 2014 01:05, John Lewis wrote: The people who were actually responsible

Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)

2014-08-09 Thread Pine W
? Pine On Aug 8, 2014 1:10 AM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Quim, it seems to me that the methods used by Features have repeatedly produced troubled results over the years, so it's time for a different approach. Note

[Wikimedia-l] Lila's keynote speech at Wikimania 2014

2014-08-09 Thread Pine W
Hi all, I would like to encourage those of us who may have missed Lila's keynote speech at Wikimania to listen to it. [1] In her speech, Lila takes a long view of Wikimedia's history and future. She talks about incremental and disruptive changes that are happening socially and technologically

Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)

2014-08-08 Thread Pine W
Quoting MZMcBride: ...the two issues (a rush to deploy features versus resource allocation for unwanted features), while sometimes intertwined, can certainly also be discrete. I agree with you in this point, and the Technical Committee is intended in part to improve both situations. Quoting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] Transparency and right to be forgotten notices from search engines

2014-08-07 Thread Pine W
it might be possible to work some of them out e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gerry_Hutch#Removal_from_Google_Search Simon -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W Sent: 07 August 2014

Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)

2014-08-07 Thread Pine W
Quim, can you clarify your comments about the Technology Committee? The committee is my proposal as a community member; it is not a top-down, Board-created idea. Its membership is designed to be broadly representative of the MediaWiki user community. The Board mandate is necessary to give TechCom

Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)

2014-08-06 Thread Pine W
, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: MzMcbride, I'm not sure that WMF is overstaffed, but I would like to see more specific performance metrics for some groups. The FDC commented on this as well

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] Transparency and right to be forgotten notices from search engines

2014-08-06 Thread Pine W
I see how you could read it that way, but remember that to be included on Wikipedia information should be notable and written in NPOV fashion, and the BLP policy applies. If someone wants to contest information in their BLP we have more subtle tools for handling disputes than pure removal,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)

2014-08-05 Thread Pine W
Hm. I wonder if the engineering community liason role could be adapted to address the suggestIons here. Also I would like to know what the liasons currently do besides file bug reports and respond to dev process questions, which are good to do but not what I would call strategic change management.

[Wikimedia-l] Multilingual office hours

2014-08-04 Thread Pine W
Most office hours are understandably in English, but I for one would be interested in supporting language diversity in our office hours. I believe that at least three WMF employees in the Grantmaking Department speak some Spanish, and Spanish is spoken by a large percentage of the global south,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Multilingual office hours

2014-08-04 Thread Pine W
are able to speak it, would be more feasible. Am 04.08.2014 21:39 schrieb Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com: Most office hours are understandably in English, but I for one would be interested in supporting language diversity in our office hours. I believe that at least three WMF employees

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Kenya - copyright infringement

2014-08-03 Thread Pine W
I took a look at this. From my brief investigation, this appears to be a good-faith effort by someone to locally host a Kenyan version of Wikipedia. The donation button properly links to https://donate.wikimedia.org. The server geolocates to Estonia. I am forwarding this report to Legal. I hope

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-01 Thread Pine W
to me that WMF is a funder that cares about _movement resources_, including volunteer time, and not just dollars out of its own budget. A. On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jessie, Thanks for the quick reply. Issue 1 may be challenging

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Library: June/July Books and Bytes Newsletter and Final Report

2014-08-01 Thread Pine W
Thanks Jake. TWL was used as a positive example by Jessie Wild in her grant programs evaluation. Pine On Aug 1, 2014 10:54 AM, Jake Orlowitz jorlow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, The June/July double-issue of our Books Bytes Newsletter is out:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Egypt Wikimedians User Group

2014-08-01 Thread Pine W
Thanks to the Egyptian Wikipedians for their swift responses to Signpost inquiries, this week's Signpost Education Report will include a focused discussion about Egypt, in addition to the planned report about the Education Program in the broader Arab world. For those who haven't been following

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-31 Thread Pine W
This may be technically possible but it may also be time consuming to implement, and and in the interest of using Fundriasing Tech time in optimal ways it may be that preserving donor anonymity from the IRS is a lower priority if the Foundation can meet its fundraising goals without doing this. I

[Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-07-31 Thread Pine W
In today's WMF Metrics and Activities Meeting [1] Jessie Wild's presentation starting around 1:05:00 compared the meta-level grantmaking programs. The presentation is about 12 minutes long. Jessie, I have two questions, and other people may want to ask questions as well. 1. I'm aware that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-07-31 Thread Pine W
Hi Jessie, Thanks for the quick reply. Issue 1 may be challenging to measure even with Wikimetrics. Can we talk about this during the Research Hackathon next week if we can set up a time off-list? Thanks for the info about issue 2. I am grateful to learn that you did an evaluation of PEG. It is

[Wikimedia-l] Invitation: Research Hackathon on August 6 and 7

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
The Wikimedia Research Hackathon on August 6 and 7 takes place parallel to the general Wikimania Hackathon in London. Wikimania Hackathon information is available at https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon Research Hackathon information is available at

[Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
There is a post on the blog saying that bitcoin is accepted but there are several questions about why WMF is asking for contact info. Is that an IRS requirement? Might want to post the reason in the blog entry. AFAIK with the nonprofits I donate to none require personal info for small

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
bitcoin as property (like, eg, shares) rather than currency, it triggers different - and presumably more complex - reporting requirements. Andrew. On 30 July 2014 20:20, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: There is a post on the blog saying that bitcoin is accepted but there are several

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