Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

[Ruslan Takayev]

Dariusz,

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak  wrote:
>
>
> I'm investigating with the BGC what went wrong with the whole process (that
> some Board members did not have full information) and we're hoping to come
> back with learning from this failure, as it was just one point of several
> that were suboptimal.

In your investigation it might be worthwhile noting that both Boryana
Dineva and Arnnon were at one stage Tesla employees?

My apologies if this has already been raised prior?

Ruslan

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are articles being deleted?

[Ruslan Takayev]

Geni stated: "As so many projects have learned so painfully in the
last decade the
English Wikipedia knows what they are doing."

Sorry, but that is not correct and Mitar's case is evidence of this.

Here we have an article on a cultural organization in Slovenia, which
a cursory glance of Google shows is notable, being deleted outright by
an admin who 1) does not speak Slovenian (and therefore unable to
check sources) and 2) who likely did not do the same cursory glance
that I did.

http://www.culture.si/en/Poligon_Creative_Centre is one awesome source
that is not only reliable but also establishes the so-called
importance of Poligon; i.e. "...the biggest artist run space in
Slovenia."

Culture.si is an encyclopedia project of the Slovenian Ministry of
Culture, devoted to the culture of Slovenia. If Culture.si, which is
not editable by the public, has an article on an organization, then so
should Wikipedia.

On http://www.culture.si/en/Culture.si:About under "Enhance Wikipedia!
Reuse our content" (yes, it is CC licensed!) they state "Wikipedia in
English has over 3 million articles but not many of them are related
to culture in/from Slovenia."

This is, unfortunately, true. There is likely to be more articles on
Game of Thrones, than there is on Slovenian culture.

As to the article in question, it is possible that it needed a little
bit of cleanup; the solution in such instances would be put a
cleanup/notability tag on it, and fix issues through collaborative
editings.

If, at the whim of an admin, it was really required to be moved out of
mainspace it could have been moved to Draft namespace, or even user
space, with a note being left for the editor on their talk page.

This would be good practice, and it astounds me that after all the
words written both on the project and on this very list, no-one has
had the foresight to do one of the two above things for Mitar. Even
now, he is asking on IRC for someone to provide him with the text that
was deleted, and that request is being ignored.

Mitar, don't apologize for anything you have done on Wikipedia, or
said on this mailing list, as you have shed some light on how
Wikipedia fails on many levels with new editors.

Warm regards,

Ruslan Takayev

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

[Ruslan Takayev]

Andreas, et al

James' now-released email is quite damning in many aspects.

I am very concerned that James was essentially bullied by way of threat
into voting in the affirmative by other members of the BoT. James, would
you care to name those Trustees who did this? Given the recent Harassment
Survey results, it should be clear that there is NO room for harassment on
WMF projects, and those who threatened/bullied you should stand down
immediately.

Lila also has a lot to answer for in not making the BoT aware of what the
Knight Foundation grant was all about beforehand. Lila, any chance you can
explain why?

I can feel a further rift and a vote of no confidence in both the BoT and
WMF management coming on.

Warm regards,

Ruslan Takayev

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> More on this from James Heilman and others in the current Signpost issue.
>
> From the editors: Help wanted
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-02-03/From_the_editors
>
> In focus: The Knight Foundation grant: a timeline and an email to the board
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-02-03/In_focus
>
> Op-ed: So, what’s a knowledge engine anyway?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-02-03/Op-ed
>
> Special report: Board chair and new trustee speak with the ''Signpost''
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-02-03/Special_report
>
> Traffic report: Bowled
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-02-03/Traffic_report
>
> News and notes: Harassment survey 2015; Luis Villa to leave WMF; knowledge
> engine background
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-02-03/News_and_notes
>
> Featured content: This week's featured content
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-02-03/Featured_content
>
> Arbitration report: Catching up on arbitration
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-02-03/Arbitration_report
>
>
> Single page view
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single/2016-02-03
>
> PDF version
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-02-03
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/wikisignpost / https://twitter.com/wikisignpost
> --
> Wikipedia Signpost Staff
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost
>
> Andreas
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 6:17 AM, Tim Starling <tstarl...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On 07/02/16 09:41, Chris Keating wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I have some one question for you.
> > >>
> > >> I am having a very hard time wrapping my head around how the grant
> > >> information you posted lead to WMF BoT voting James Heilman of the
> > board in
> > >> a vote of no-confidence.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Ruslan - what makes you think the two issues are connected?
> > >
> > > I have heard nothing from the WMF that suggests that they are.
> > >
> > > A few other people are trying to draw some link between the two, but
> the
> > > burden of proof is on them not on Lila
> >
> > Maybe you missed this:
> >
> > <
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/James_Heilman_removal_FAQ#What_happened.3F
> > >
> >
> > In which James Heilman, by way of explaining why he was removed from
> > the board, complains of a lack of transparency, links to the
> > announcement of the Knight Foundation grant, and comments "many
> > details however are still missing."
> >
> > -- Tim Starling
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

[Ruslan Takayev]

Hi Lila, et al

I have some one question for you.

I am having a very hard time wrapping my head around how the grant
information you posted lead to WMF BoT voting James Heilman of the board in
a vote of no-confidence.

Something just doesn't add up here.

Any chance you can publish the actual grant application from the WMF to the
Knight Foundation?

I am guessing that the devil will be in those details; details which thus
far the WMF has kept completely under wraps.

I look forward to you releasing the grant application at your earliest
convenience.

Warm regards,

Ruslan Takayev


On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Lila Tretikov <l...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi Anthony,
>
> I know this request was for the Board, but I took time to explain as much
> as I could about the context of this grant and the work it funds as well as
> to answer as many questions as possible that I have seen. I realize many
> people a curious about what it actually funds, so you will find the
> statement of work cut and pasted there.
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LilaTretikov_(WMF)#Knowledge_Engine_grant
> <
> https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUser_talk%3ALilaTretikov_%28WMF%29%23Knowledge_Engine_grant=D=1=AFQjCNHbv_CPFd5d3dh7WKET5YlNSZvHdA
> >
>
> Hope this answers some of your questions,
> Lila
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Just copying part of Andreas's comment from another thread:
> >
> > "...can the board now please come to a decision on whether the Knight
> > Foundation grant letter and grant application documents will be posted on
> > Meta, and if not, provide an explanation to the community why they cannot
> > be made public?
> >
> > "To recap, Jimmy Wales said over two weeks ago on his talk page[1] that
> in
> > his opinion the documentation should be posted on Meta, to clear the air
> > around this issue. However, nothing appears to have happened since then."
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJimbo_Wales=698861097=698860874
> >
> > Anthony Cole
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

[Ruslan Takayev]

Patricio, et al

Are we any closer to having public comments from the BoT on how the Arrnon
debacle was able to occur?

I am especially interested in how Boryana fits in with this. Given
Boryana's shared history t Telsa with Arnnon, she would surely have known
about Arnnon's past at Google, but it would appear this past was never
mentioned in the presentation to the board by her. At best this could be
seen as an attempt to secure "jobs for the boys"; at worst it can be seen
as incompetence on the part of Boryana.

On 11 January, Lila Tretikov posted to this very list,[1] and stated:

"I would like to thank everyone involved in this search, especially Amy
Elder and Boryana , who managed the recruiting process through a new, open
approach."

When was this "new, open approach" to recruitment introduced? It certainly
was not prior to the appoinment of Arnnon to the Board, otherwise we
wouldn't be where we are at now. And what is this "new, open approach"?

Unfortunately for Lila, she has now publicly backed her HR team, and as she
would certainly have been involved in the recruitment of Boryana, this
reflects poorly on her as well. Lila already has enough issues to deal
with, as they relate to her tenure as WMF ED, particularly if Gayle Young
is to be believed (there is nothing to suggest she shouldn't!)[2]

I look forward to a response Patricio, rather than the sound of crickets
that the community has come to expect from the WMF, the BoT and yourself
over the last month.

Warm regards,

Ruslan Takayev

[1]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-January/080987.html
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Vote_of_no_confidence_on_Arnnon_Geshuri/sig=prev=15276441

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Patricio Lorente <
patricio.lore...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Throughout the discussion about the appointment of Arnnon Geshuri to the
> Board of Trustees, the Board has carefully listened to you and discussed
> internally. Earlier today, Arnnon decided to step down from the Board. To
> paraphrase his words, he doesn't want to be a distraction for the important
> discussions that the community and the Foundation need to face in the times
> to come. We want to thank Arnnon for his ongoing commitment and for helping
> us to move forward.
>
> The Board Governance Committee is working to improve and update our
> selection processes before we fill the vacancy left by Arnnon’s departure.
> We are sorry for the distress and confusion this has caused to some in our
> community, and also to Arnnon.
>
> Patricio and Alice
>
> 
>
> Patricio Lorente
> Chair, Board of Trustees
>
> Alice Wiegand
> Vice Chair, Board of Trustees
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

[Ruslan Takayev]

Chris, et al

Ruslan - what makes you think the two issues are connected?
>

James was pushing for greater transparency on the BoT. This is the one
major issue that arose during James on the board that wasn't transparent at
the time.

You can put 2 + 2 together from that.


> I have heard nothing from the WMF that suggests that they are.
>

We've heard sound bytes, but we haven't heard anything of substance from
the BoT on the issue of why James was ushered off the Board.

>
> A few other people are trying to draw some link between the two, but the
> burden of proof is on them not on Lila
>

Lila could easily shut down these lines of questioning by publishing the
grant application, as was originally requested by others.

Warm regards,

Ruslan Takayev

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >
> >
> > I have some one question for you.
> >
> > I am having a very hard time wrapping my head around how the grant
> > information you posted lead to WMF BoT voting James Heilman of the board
> in
> > a vote of no-confidence.
> >
>
> Ruslan - what makes you think the two issues are connected?
>
> I have heard nothing from the WMF that suggests that they are.
>
> A few other people are trying to draw some link between the two, but the
> burden of proof is on them not on Lila
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Katy Love to direct WMF Resources team

[Ruslan Takayev]

Maggie, et al

Is Katy "stepping into" the role on a full-time, permanent basis?

I ask this question, as questions I asked relating to the "new, open
approach" towards recruitment at the WMF are yet to be answered[1] and I
don't recall there being any advertisements as a call for applications to
fill Siko's position.

TBH, this doesn't sound like a "new, open approach" towards recruitment at
the WMF, but more of the same..."jobs for the boys".

Comment would be welcome Maggie.

Warm regards,

Ruslan Takayev

[1]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-February/081677.html


On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Maggie Dennis <mden...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:

> Hello, all.
>
> I am delighted to announce that Katy Love has agreed to step into the role
> of Director of Resources in the Community Engagement department, picking up
> the baton so ably carried by Siko Bouterse before her. Katy has been with
> the Wikimedia Foundation since January 2013, beginning as the first program
> officer to work with the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC). I’m grateful
> to her for moving into this role and am looking forward to collaborating
> with her closely in WMF’s Community Engagement department.
>
> We will be hiring her replacement to oversee the FDC/full annual plan
> grants program in the weeks ahead.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Maggie
>
> P.S. Their page! https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Resources
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

[Ruslan Takayev]

Jimmy, et al

As yet, we have yet to have coherent believable reasoning for the removal
of James Heilman from the BoT, but one of the reasons that has been put out
there (rightly or wrongly) is that James was talking to staff about the
state of affairs at the WMF.

Is this trip not the exact same thing that James was alleged to have done
all those months ago? i.e. talking to staff.

Why are trustees, including yourself, only now willing to listen to staff
concerns? The time for that was BEFORE the proverbial poo hit the fan.

I am seeing the announcement of your trip as nothing more than a "knight in
shining armor" routine, that frankly is too little too late.

Warm regards,

Ruslan Takayev


On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 4:06 AM, Jimmy Wales <jimmywa...@ymail.com> wrote:

> Here is a note that I just sent to the staff mailing list (stuck in a
> queue at the moment, so some staff will see it here first.).
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> I am coming to San Francisco on Saturday for a few days to meet with a
> lot of you.  I know many of you are not actually in San Francisco, so
> I'll be sure to set aside time for remote meetings as well.
>
> By now you of course have heard that Lila is leaving us, and my hope is
> that we're going to enter a new era of stability and productivity.  And
> for that to happen, the board - including me - needs to hear from you,
> to listen and learn.
>
> Brion Vibber, who I hired as the first ever employee of the Foundation,
> said this to me on Facebook recently: "Jimmy Wales welcome back to the
> conversation. I look forward to how you address the current crisis, and
> hope it will involve the kind of careful listening and thoughtful
> consideration that I remember from 2001."
>
> That's what I want, too.  I want to listen and I want to help the board
> make good decisions.
>
> For me, the mission - a free encyclopedia for every single person on the
> planet, in their own language - is what brought us all together.  It's
> what keeps us going even in difficult times.  But my view is that it
> doesn't have to be difficult times.  Working at the WMF should be - and
> will be, I really think - a joy: the joy of working with the best
> colleagues, the joy of doing work that matters to the world, and the joy
> of working for the fantastic global community of Wikipedians.
>
> I'll be reaching out to some of you - probably starting with people I
> already know - but please reach out to me as well if you'd like to meet.
>
> I'm in SF from Saturday afternoon through Wednesday evening, so
> depending on demand, I may not be able to see everyone, but I'd like to
> get a good overview.
>
> --Jimbo
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

[Ruslan Takayev]

Hello Arnnon, and welcome.

It is great that you are working hard to earn our trust.
Unfortunately, your statement, which is somewhat self-serving, totally
omits the issues that a very wide cross-section of the Wikimedia
community has a MAJOR issue with.

So perhaps you can answer some questions:

1) Why did you do it?

2) Would you do it again?

3) What have you learned from you role in the scheme that has cost
those companies hundreds of millions of dollars?

And most importantly,

4) Why should we trust you?

If you can't answer these questions, please resign.

Warmest regards,

Ruslan Takayev

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update from the Board

[Ruslan Takayev]

Alice, et al

Ars Technica have now reported on Arnnon's statement, and your statement.[1]

Their previous article[2] touches on the Meta discussion.

Le Monde has also published an article on this debacle,[3] as a result
of the original Ars Technica piece.

Please take the time to read the comments. People are already
cancelling their regular donations to the Foundation in response to
Arnnon's appointment to the BoT.

Forget about "Wikimedians" for a moment. ^ ^ (John Q Public) are the
people you have to convince that Arnnon is worthy of being a WMF
Trustee. As you can see from many of the comments, the public thus far
does not believe he is.

Given the Ars Technica article has led to the BBC, Le Monde, etc
picking up on the story, I'm not really sure you have the ability to
delay a full explanation for another week, as this is possibly going
to blow up in your faces long before then.

Warm regards,



Ruslan Takayev


[1] 
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/wikimedia-board-official-responds-to-editors-geshuri-is-an-excellent-candidate
[2] 
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/editors-demand-ouster-of-wikimedia-board-member-involved-in-no-poach-deal/
[3] 
http://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2016/01/26/une-motion-de-defiance-contre-un-administrateur-de-wikimedia_4854041_4408996.html

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Alice Wiegand <awieg...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Dear all,
> the Board has read your messages and is discussing the concerns you have
> raised about Arnnon Geshuri’s appointment. We need to consider all
> information and we have conversations among ourselves. Arnnon and the board
> are listening to your worries and talking with community members,
> considering people's opinions and his own next steps.
>
> In the recent round of appointments, the Board identified that we needed
> support and expertise in two areas: financial oversight and planning, and
> human resources. Kelly and Arnnon were identified through the process,
> reviewed alongside other nominees, and selected as finalists based on their
> expertise and backgrounds. We all agreed they were excellent candidates and
> people, and supported their progress as finalists.
>
> We understand this conversation will continue, and we will continue to
> monitor it. However, we want to be clear that the Board approved Arnnon
> unanimously and still believes he is a valuable member of the team.
>
> Please see this as a brief update. We owe you a more detailed response, and
> we plan to come back to you with more information soon.
>
> Alice.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

[Ruslan Takayev]

Gerard, et al

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hoi,
> A few things are clear. Having a WMF project intended to compete with
> Google is bonkers.


I agree totally, but didn't Jimmy once have plans for a Google-killing
machine with a view to buying himself a new jet?

Warm regards,

Ruslan Takayev
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Katy Love to direct WMF Resources team

[Ruslan Takayev]

Derek, et al

I was not attacking Katy in any way.

I have now read Maggie's response (which I thank her for making), and
whilst from that response it may appear Katy is the best person for the
job, I still question what this "new, open approach" to recruitment at the
WMF entails...

Internal promotions with no advertizing and no interviews, etc indicates to
me there is no "new, open approach" to recruitment at the WMF. It certainly
would appear that this "new, open approach" that was touted by Lila has yet
to filter down to the wider WMF structures from the ED's office, or from
Boryana Dineva's office. Or were we being sold buzz words with no substance?

It is, of course, the WMF's right to do what it wants in terms of
recruiting and promotions but for all too long the WMF has been seen to be
an organization which favors insiders for recruitment needs.

It would have been good to see Katy sit in this position on a temporary
basis whilst a full open recruitment process was carried out...Wikimedia is
NOT the only community-driven organization out there, and for such an
important position as "Director" the WMF does itself a disservice not to
advertize for as many suitable applicants at possible.

Is Katy a good recommendation for the job as Director of Community
Resources? Sure. Is she the best person for the job? Only a fully
transparent approach to recruitment could possibly ascertain that.

It would still be great to get some words from WMF recruitment, or whatever
fanciful name they call themselves these days, on such issues.

Is Boryana Dineva back from leave yet? Perhaps she could address this "new,
open approach" to recruitment for us?

Kind regards,

Ruslan Takayev



On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Derek V.Giroulle <
derekvgirou...@wikimedia.be> wrote:

> Asaf ,
>
> First of all, by your definition of censorship then I must consider that
> my reaction to
> ruslanś message was censored, what makes ruslanś message  immune for
> censorship that
> my reaction doesn't qualify for ?
> so I reduced my criticism to the quote you made in the message below
>
> Some of the _questions_ ruslan asked certainly were legitimate, also by my
> standards
> but i was not talking about his _questions_ ... i was criticizing some of
> his "_statements_"
> and "_remarks_",  the implied comments had personal implications and thus
> were directed
> at Katy  and that was what I qualified as disrespectful of a valuable
> person.
> Ruslanś _remarks_  were imho not questioning the WMF decisions or the
> selection/decision proces,
> he was attacking the outcome ... I read that in Maggieś response also
>
> Derek
>
>
> On 27-02-16 21:37, Asaf Bartov wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Derek V.Giroulle <
>> derekvgirou...@wikimedia.be> wrote:
>>
>> I'm very sorry that  Ruslan Takayev's message got through the moderation
>>> IMHO his  statement and remarks  are not respectful
>>>
>>> I strongly disagree, Derek.  That would have been outright censorship.
>> Ruslan asked a perfectly legitimate and useful question; Maggie thought so
>> too, and provided a clear and informative response, which has the added
>> benefit of answering it for other people who may have had the same
>> question
>> as Ruslan but didn't express it.
>>
>> Questioning WMF decisions, particularly with reference to our principles
>> or
>> to previous stated positions, is certainly appropriate and legitimate, and
>> does not constitute disrespect.
>>
>>  A.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiwand

[Ruslan Takayev]

Wikiwand states: "Text is available under the CC BY-SA 4.0 license"

WMF projects are available under the CC BY-SA 3.0 license.

Correct me if I am wrong, but these licenses are not interchangeable and
therefore the entire Wikiwand site is a copyright violation?

Warm regards,

Ruslan Takayev



On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se
> wrote:

> What is WMFs position on Wikiwand [1]?
>
> is it a complement or a commercial run interface that is  better that we
> can offer?
>
> Anders
>
> [1] http://www.wikiwand.com/about
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