Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

"Amir E. Aharoni" wrote: > […] > On a more practical and less ideological note, I should note that even > though I didn't run the numbers, I strongly suspect that translating 10,000 > articles to 100 languages is considerably cheaper than teaching 7 billion >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

"Amir E. Aharoni" wrote: > […] > Sometimes it is, but there is something much bigger: There are many > languages that > 1. are alive in speech (and possibly in writing) > 2. are not in danger of extinction > 3. have a large number of monolingual speakers (let's say

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Esra’a Al Shafei to Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

María Sefidari wrote: > […] > Mike, as Cristian says - the Wikimedia movement has a history of trying to > balance the safety concerns of volunteers in not-so-free regions (to put it > mildly...) with having them contribute to our projects and events. We > *need* these

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legal status of Wikimeida lists [Was: Re: The other side of the crisis at WMFR]

mathieu stumpf guntz wrote: >> I think it was important to re-explain all those points so >> that the community, which is - again - unnecessarily taken >> as witness, is not deceived by a scenario built from >> scratch. >> Again, to discredit the movement by such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

James Forrester wrote: >> For the last 12 years Flickr have a system where people can click on a >> link and get the HTML or BBCODE that properly attributes the image along >> with the link to the license and all the rest of the requirements for >> the CC license. Why

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

David Gerard wrote: >> Eh, they do and that is one of the reasons to oppose the >> Code of Conduct. Its draft implicitly alleges that the >> technical spaces currently are a cesspit that is in urgent >> need of someone with a rake while protecting actual offend- >> ers by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

Robert Fernandez wrote: >>Personally I'm much more grateful for the people who did not >>spend their energy on this code of conduct to "accidentally" >>exercise power over others > If the organizers of this proposal responded in kind with even a fraction > of the bad

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

Leila Zia wrote: > […] > On a separate note to those of you who contribute to technical spaces and > are not happy about how some aspects have gone: > Matthew and a few other people have been trying /really hard/ to make > Wikimedia's technical spaces better. You know that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > The problem with law enforcement is that it operaties nationally. It is not > obvious where people are and consequently it is not obvious what > jurisdiction is appropriate. > […] That's easy: The victim's. Tim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

Robert Fernandez wrote: > […] > And to this I would add that these are not issues of community governance > at all. The WMF should not interfere in matters of community governance > like policy issues regarding article content, etc. But when we are talking > about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [discovery] Interactive Team putting work on pause

Anna Stillwell wrote: > […] > I also hear that the pause on the interactive work is temporary. I’ve heard > them request time. I am comfortable granting that request, but no one is > required to agree with me. They’ve also said that the person with the most >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2014-2015 now on-wiki

(anonymous) wrote: > […] > This remains contradictory, and that is why I'm trying to get some clarity > on the role Sue played in the past two years. The tasks described by > Patricio in his response to the Signpost sound to me (but I might be naive > in this) to be mostly relevant to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] REMINDER: Invitation to upcoming office hours with WMF interim Executive Director

Brill Lyle wrote: > 1. The sound quality was fine from what I saw and heard. I was on a desktop > computer using the Blue Jeans thing (which had the YouTube video playing) > and IRC chat -- and etherpad > […] I listened in on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XazXyL-Ybjo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

Pavel Richter wrote: > […] >3. >So think hard before you grant confidentiality >If someone asks you to keep something they are going to tell you >confidential, think hard before you agree to it. In the case of James >Heilman (or any other board member),

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiwand

Ruslan Takayev wrote: > Wikiwand states: "Text is available under the CC BY-SA 4.0 license" > WMF projects are available under the CC BY-SA 3.0 license. > Correct me if I am wrong, but these licenses are not interchangeable and > therefore the entire Wikiwand site is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who runs the Wikimedia Shop ?

Fæ wrote: >>> (I must admit that i tested the job a year ago, the product was fine, the >>> shipment fast. A bit expensive for my taste.) >> Expensive? The profit adds funds the WMF, surely. > This is a logical fallacy that many charities fall into, and end up > damaging

[Wikimedia-l] Access to pageviews (was: An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT)

Dan Andreescu wrote: > […] > The pageview API, which is now being integrated into the Graph extension, > stats tools, iOS app, and generally making a lot of people happy, has a > long history. Various members of the community have been requesting this > feature with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why take grants?

(anonymous) wrote: > […] > But 'getting big' is maybe not the most important thing in the world. > Working on our mission, is. And part of that, is security. The WMF is not > in this world to play the odds, but rather to ensure that knowledge is > freed, and stays free - most specifically by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2015 Harassment Survey - Results Report

Maggie Dennis wrote: > In the time I've worked at the Wikimedia Foundation, I have > (unsurprisingly, given its reported prevalence) come across this kind of > harassment in my work with Support and Safety (formerly Community > Advocacy). There have been cases where

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Board-l] Fwd: WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > […] > The identified mistakes/shortcomings of the whole process: > 1. In the background check performed by the HR and the legal department we > have not had a specific PR check as an immanent part. While it sounds like > common sense (doh! I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

Yury Bulka wrote: >> A few years ago, the Wikimedia Foundation switched over to the Google Apps >> platform, which means that most e-mail sent on the wikimedia.org domain is >> now hosted by Google. > Are you sure? It doesn't look like wikimedia.org's MX point to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: >> Thanks for talking about it Dariusz. >> Could you please make a serious declaration of interests as is being >> discussed at [1]. This will help set a ethical model for the rest of >> the WMF board to follow without needing a year to think about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

"Peter Southwood" wrote: > I agree. > The situation may well be metastable, in that the WMF may > get away with alienating the crowd for a long time, until it > reaches a tipping point, when the reaction becomes > catastrophic and non-reversible. At which point

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

"Peter Southwood" wrote: > You are quite correct, we cannot force the board to > respond. However if they don't we are free to vote with our > feet - or not. The fundamental rule of crowdsourcing is 'do > not alienate your crowd'. They tread a delicate line, >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Geohack

Nou Nouill nounou...@gmail.com wrote: [...] So, I want to ask if the Foundation have a plan to improve Geohack ? I have the impression when I see https://tools.wmflabs.org that Geohack was mainly maintain by volunteer, but for me Geohack is a core item of the Wikimedia sphere. So I don't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?

Frédéric Schütz sch...@mathgen.ch wrote: Thanks for the clarification. It's surprising to me that posting a bank account number could lead to fraud - the bank systems are supposed to be robust enough for that. My understanding is this is mostly a problem in the US, from what I heard from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?

Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: [...] Also, I'm no expert on EU regulations, but I do observe that according to the European Payments Council, it seems payees receiving SEPA credit transfers are advised to communicate the IBAN only where necessary:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Trying to understand Wikipedia Zero as some kind of self-interested organizational move is a mistake, in my view. What it is, IMHO, is a logical development based on the core mission statement of Wikipedia. And in the long term it's actually

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC funds allocation recommendation is up

Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: while, as I said, I have no particular interest in defending WMDE and have not even read their proposal, let me say that I would find that a preposterous measure of success/failure. You can't just look at a time series of the number of editors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board statement on the Media Viewer roll out

Juergen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.com wrote: Only after the last editor has been been driven away Only after the last article written by a volunteer has been published Only after the last vandal has been reverted by a volunteer Then will you find that money alone cannot write an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: Even if Timothy has been highly disruptive rather than just apparently very inefficient (which he wasn't), or if it has been donors' money that had been spent (which it wasn't), or if you had /actually/ been appointed to speak for the number one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plz ignore again

(anonymous) wrote: [...] Broadly, I don't think many people appreciate how important mailing lists have been and continue to be to Wikimedia. Both in terms of providing a(n) historical record and in terms of day-to-day workflow. It would not be a bad investment on the part of the Wikimedia

[Wikimedia-l] Only paid toolserver admins accepted by WMF?

Hi, WMDE's Silke wrote at http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.toolserver/5674 regarding the promotion of additional toolserver roots: | DaB is right: WMF as the database owner accepts only paid roots. | [...] Is that statement correct, and what is WMF's rationale for it? Tim