[Wikimedia-l] Starting School Activity: Possible Support and Tips

2018-02-21 Thread Zubin JAIN
Hi,
I'm trying to start a new school activity at my high school geared towards
contributing to Wikimedia projects and was wondering what support is
available?
Sincerely,
Zubin Jain
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[Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-05 Thread Zubin JAIN
Hello,
As a rare newcomer to the Wikimedia project, I've been thinking of some of
the factors that seem to discourage me from contributing and one of the
primary ones seem to be the fact that the way the administration is
organized and rules enforced is often vague and unclear. The definition and
the method of collection of the vague idea of "Consensus" aren't easily
found and take a lot of digging to get out.

A lot of the guideline is often mixed with philosophical rants that often
seem to contradict each other and has grown in size to the point that it's
unreasonable for any newcomer to have read through it all. The project
designed to work on consensus and community often seems unresponsive and
automated as anarchic communication structure impedes effective
communication by forcing users to learn an obscure markup language just to
communicate.

I'm wondering if there have been any whitepapers on addressing these
problems especialy the ones about bureaucracy, reading through the news I
remember a lot of hay being made about a decline in Wikipedia editor from a
few years back but that seems ot have faded. Is there any hard data on the
future trajectory of the project?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Zubin JAIN
it.
> >
> > The status of what I have written above is science fiction. I am sure if
> I
> > come with this proposal to a village pump of Wikipedia, it will be dead
> > within a day. In addition, it requires some modifications of MediaWiki
> > which can only be done by the Foundation. And I am not really looking
> > forward for the Foundation implementing this either. I have a lot of
> > respect for some of the Foundation employees, but it has now grown up
> into
> > a big corporation now and behaves as a big corporation, where some people
> > care less about the product and more about other things, and some look at
> > Wikipedia editors, aka "unorganized volunteers", as some annoying
> > phenomenon, which they can tolerate but are not willing to listen to. My
> > forecast is pretty pessimistic. Unless a miracle happens (and I
> currently,
> > at least not from my perspective, do not see any reasons for a miracle to
> > happen), soon or late will realize this, It might be a startup company,
> or
> > a non-commercial. And Wikipedia will stay as it is, and, after the
> > standards change many times, it will not be readable / accessible to most
> > of internet users, and will slowly die. And the results of what were were
> > doing for 20 years will disappear. This is a usual development and
> happens
> > to almost every human activity. We know that only a few percents of
> pieces
> > of Ancient Greek and Roman literature survived until now.
> >
> > Yaroslav Blanter, editor and administrator of the English Wikipedia, 125
> > 000 edits.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-30 Thread Zubin JAIN
>That's exactly the point here! Maybe not everyone is like that, but
the pattern is supported by studies. The question is: how do we
support (or, how do we make Wikipedia relevant for) this category?

But it's not supported by rigorous evidence, a few studies and a bunch of
clickbait headlines hawking a decline narrative aren't things that should
be used as a basis for deciding that the encylvopedia is out of date and
Wikipedia should change itself to a primary video format

>> The idea that Wikipedia needs to be dumbed down
"Articles must be short and contain a lot of graphic information. May be
they need to be videoclips. Short clips. Or, at lest, they must contain
clips, with more voice and less letters." Dumbing down seems to be a fair
summary of the proposal

On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 at 20:51, Strainu  wrote:

> În dum., 30 dec. 2018 la 12:40, Zubin JAIN
>  a scris:
> > These are gross generalizations
>
> That's exactly the point here! Maybe not everyone is like that, but
> the pattern is supported by studies. The question is: how do we
> support (or, how do we make Wikipedia relevant for) this category?
>
> > The idea that Wikipedia needs to be dumbed down
> Nobody proposed that.
>
> > On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 at 17:21, Jane Darnell  wrote:
> >
> > > We need better upload interfaces for fixing spelling mistakes,
> > > adding blue links, categories, media, and all other common tasks.
>
> I had a conversation with Dan Garry in Cape Town about why categories
> and navboxes are not shown on mobile and it seems they are not a
> "thing" anymore (aka not used by the readers, which prefer navigating
> through inline links). For the rest, I agree. What do you think of the
> CitationHunt tool? Would it help if integrated in the normal workflow?
>
> În dum., 30 dec. 2018 la 12:57, Anders Wennersten
>  a scris:
> >
> > In my little duckpond (svwp) we have guidleines for the introduction
> > part of the article.
> >
> > It should use (simple) language to enable 14-16 years old to understand
> > it (while the rest can use more complicated vocabulary)
>
> How very interesting! I've always thought that Wikipedia should be
> accessible for people with middle studies (highschool) but I've been
> accused of trying to "dumb down" Wikipedia. Thanks for the idea!
>
> More generally, yes, the introduction is the obvious candidate for
> what Yaroslav is proposing, the question is how do you put it to the
> best use? Are popups (currently enabled for anonymous users) enough?
> Movies and visuals are complicated for most people, would an audio
> help? Text to speech is pretty good (and dead cheap) these days and I
> know WMSE has done some work in this domain. Would an audio of the
> introduction help? What about reading the whole article?
>
> This is a major topic, we should probably try to extract 2-3 ideas
> that can be pushed forward from it.
>
> Strainu
>
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