Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustees elections, membership, quorum, and

2020-10-08 Thread effe iets anders
I would like to suggest to move away from the 'membership organization' question, and possibly bring that to a dedicated thread. It's a huge topic. Lodewijk On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 1:37 PM Michael Peel wrote: > That the WMF *isn’t* a membership organisation already is rather weird. It > may be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution to pause Movement Brand Project through March 2021

2020-10-07 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Samir, First of all, thank you for sharing the detailed analysis and for publishing the raw data after a review. I appreciate the efforts made on that front. I wanted to quickly acknowledge (as you are undoubtly aware from open question responses) that there were a number of reports of people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Summit 2021 in Berlin cancelled

2020-09-24 Thread effe iets anders
; > I too am a bit disappointed that there doesn't appear to be any planning > for some sort of virtual meeting, though. It will definitely affect > strategy implementation. > > Risker/Anne > > On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 at 12:59, effe iets anders > wrote: > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Summit 2021 in Berlin cancelled

2020-09-24 Thread effe iets anders
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I think the point of this message is to say that nothing virtual will be organized either (we already knew no physical meeting was going to happen). Which brings lots of questions as to how that affects the strategy implementation. Lodewijk On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2020-09-10 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Lukas, I appreciate you opening up on this. I have a hard time following the line of argument. I can appreciate that it can be stressful to see someone generalize opposition to this extent, and I dont think it is helpful to the conversation, because it basically rejects all solutions out of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Covid-19] An update on in-person gatherings

2020-09-08 Thread effe iets anders
a.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference > > -- > *Lydia Hamilton* (she/her) > Director of Operations > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:31 AM effe iets anders > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >&

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Covid-19] An update on in-person gatherings

2020-09-08 Thread effe iets anders
input ealy on." > > -- Yes. We will be evaluating and testing the guidance with selected > affiliates prior to release on Meta. > > Kind Regards, > Lydia > > Lydia Hamilton (she/her) > Director of Operations > Wikimedia Foundation > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 2

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements coming to Vector

2020-08-25 Thread effe iets anders
I don't think the approach "we are going to see resistance anyway, so lets make it a bigger change" has proven to be terribly helpful in the past year or so. These layout changes are hard for sure, but there are definitely ways to bring people on board. The thing is, not every exciting change is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Covid-19] An update on in-person gatherings

2020-08-10 Thread effe iets anders
Thank you Katherine for this update, I'm much looking forward to a more nuanced policy. I think it is clear that the standing policy (no in-person activities of any size, around the world) is past its expiration date and can't realistically be maintained any longer in its broad interpretation.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread effe iets anders
ate of > arrival and maybe if it is regarding some content or some other topic?) > 6. is there a open log of OTRS operators, where we can see when they got > the flag, a link to the request and how many queue they are handling? > > I think it's enough for now. > > Alex > Il l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-19 Thread effe iets anders
On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 7:55 AM Andy Mabbett wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 09:03, effe iets anders > wrote: > > > > I rather have > > that people make their assumptions explicit so that you have an > opportunity > > to clarify, and use that as the basis for f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-19 Thread effe iets anders
We're dealing with a diverse community here, and at the same time people often want to imply information without making it explicit. I rather have that people make their assumptions explicit so that you have an opportunity to clarify, and use that as the basis for further conversation. My reading

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Diff – a blog by and for the Wikimedia volunteer community

2020-07-15 Thread effe iets anders
The editorial team has been the status quo for years. I'd like to see it expanded over time with volunteers, but at this point it would be unfair to look down at this development for that reason. To keep things constructive here: are there specific guidelines or procedures that you would like to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

2020-07-12 Thread effe iets anders
The question is however as well: how many open licensed content creators would switch to NC if they were aware that this would be 'good enough' for Wikipedia - even if that means in reality only English Wikipedia (but who cares about other languages) and without actually allowing to build on top

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-11 Thread effe iets anders
Jonatan: Implying that there's more secrecy than necessary, is unhelpful. I would dare say that if the policies that Andy is looking for exist (given his inquiry he's looking for a specific set), they should and would be available on meta. If that is not the case, that is more likely due to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread effe iets anders
I guess that depends on whether you count WikiVoyage to be launched in 2003 or 2013 :) On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 10:55 AM Christophe Henner < christophe.hen...@gmail.com> wrote: > That is a great news!!! Congratulations :) > > Just so we are all on the same page, the last approved project was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-30 Thread effe iets anders
Thank you Nat, Thank you for pushing up the timeline a bit on having this conversation - I agree that it's probably better not to stretch the conversation too much, before an updated process is decided upon. Will you invite any other people to present additional information to the board? I think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Archive BOT

2020-06-23 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Pascal, all, this is being discussed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cyberpower678 THe last response was June 16, and it seems to focus on geo-blocking as the cause for blacklisting (in case anyone feels called to help out the developer). This bot performs incredible work and I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An encyclopedia must be conservative (?)

2020-05-27 Thread effe iets anders
In good encyclopedic tradition, a reference to that quote in context, is probably in order. Ziko, I suspect you got this quote from this 2010 chapter? https://reagle.org/joseph/2010/gfc/chapter-2.html If I look at this post, he talks about progressivism in the context of methodology and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedia projects

2020-05-24 Thread effe iets anders
How is a one-off ban comparable in any way with a structured effort to develop a policy in consultation with the community, and then implement it together? Lodewijk On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 10:02 PM Todd Allen wrote: > Worked out great the last time WMF tried to pull something like this, >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Preventing conflicts of interest in Wikimedia organizations' employment and financial relationships

2020-05-22 Thread effe iets anders
From what I understand, you're mostly concerned about fraud and conflicts of interest. First of all: wholly agree with Andy. I am not aware of any organization that would monitor the bank account transactions of its board members. Self-reporting interests, sure. I'm curious what kind of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedia projects

2020-05-22 Thread effe iets anders
international experts on harassment, community health > and children’s rights, as well as additional hiring." > > Best, > Shani. > > >> >> From: effe iets anders >> Date: Sat, May 23, 2020 at 4:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedia projects

2020-05-22 Thread effe iets anders
Thanks for this step - I wish that it wouldn't be necessary. I'm not sure of all the implications, but was mostly wondering: will this be primarily a stick, or is the foundation also going to invest more heavily in carrots and education? I get the impression that we have much progress to make in

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia branding

2020-03-11 Thread effe iets anders
It looks like this list was skipped in providing an update in asking for feedback (or I missed something - in which case, my apologies). I'm just a random passer by who was wondering why this wasn't shared yet. The Wikimedia branding process seems to have moved to yet another phase on March 1 (I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open

2020-03-10 Thread effe iets anders
As very practical question for the scholarships: should people be spending time on the scholarships right now, or would it be fair to postpone the deadline until a bit after this hard decision has been made? Best, Lodewijk On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 6:27 AM Gnangarra wrote: > Kaya Toni and the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Launch of Wikimedia Affiliates Data Portal

2020-03-07 Thread effe iets anders
Thanks for the update Dimi. The system seems reasonably flexible (assuming the links can be both internal and external). There are two things I'd suggest: - Please track language versions. If multiple languages are available, it would be nice if they can be connected. It would also be helpful to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FY1819 Fundraising Report

2020-02-25 Thread effe iets anders
+1 On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 9:46 AM Philip Kopetzky wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > since this is hopefully a less busy season of the year, have the internal > discussions yielded anything that might help in breaking these numbers down > a little bit more? :-) > > Best, > Philip > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2019

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Scholarship for 2020 Wikimania now open

2020-02-19 Thread effe iets anders
For clarification, from the website: * Deadline for applying for scholarships: *17 March 2020* 23:59 UTC-12:00 * Apply here: https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_81GOJ9AFVdPHZgp and frequently asked questions:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

2020-01-15 Thread effe iets anders
informs the strategy for community members to follow: try to engage in an argument/conversation, or in activist petitions, if they would have concerns with some recommendation. Lodewijk On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 11:42 AM effe iets anders wrote: > Hi Nicole, > > Last round (or was it the rou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

2020-01-14 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Nicole, Last round (or was it the round before that?) there were some disappointed community members because their feedback did not really spark any conversation/exchange in a timely manner. I don't want to go back to focus on things that coulda woulda shoulda been better though. However, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] default import sources

2019-12-21 Thread effe iets anders
I remember bringing this up several years ago at Dutch Wikipedia, and from what I recall, there were people that don't want the import function to be active on their wiki for more fundamental reasons (they don't want old versions to exist that were not created on their own wiki). So I'm pretty

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donating to Wikipedia

2019-12-18 Thread effe iets anders
Yeah, I've been getting this feedback each year for at least the past years too. I am pretty sure that most of the people who were alarmed and told me, did not thoroughly read the message, but mostly picked up on cues. It may be that I have more of such people in my circle of acquaintances than

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-11-30 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Gerard, It would be great if you could keep a slightly more constructive tone in your messages. On one hand, you seem genuinely interested to help access to free knowledge in Africa, but in your second email, you seem to jump (after one response) to conclusions already. If you like to get real

[Wikimedia-l] Yahoo/AOL warning

2019-10-11 Thread effe iets anders
(I'm not the most technical person, so feel free to correct imprecisions or add better suggestions) It feels like a blast from the past, but it turns out there's still a fair amount of Yahoo/AOL users that are part of our community. Just a fair warning: as has been known for a while now (at least

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-04 Thread effe iets anders
personal conflicts > > within a chapter or user group and AffCom perpetuating these conflicts by > > setting up competing affiliates (the situation in Albania being a recent > > example of this). > > > > Best, > > Philip > > > > > > On Fri, 4 O

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-03 Thread effe iets anders
I would like to note that one of the contacts of this user group is Vladimir Medeyko, the director of Wikimedia Russia. I'm assuming comfortably that this application happened in full coordination with Wikimedia Russia. The question about process is still an interesting one though (what is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

2019-09-07 Thread effe iets anders
Now imagine trying to explain the difference between a chapter, the Foundation and the community when they have the same name... Lodewijk On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 1:41 PM Isaac Olatunde wrote: > We sometimes spend several minutes trying to explain to potentials partners > the difference between

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Ryan Merkley to the Wikimedia Foundation

2019-08-14 Thread effe iets anders
Congrats Ryan! The main question here at Wikimania is really... Will you be more like Leo McGarry or like Doug Stamper as far as it comes to problem solving? :) Lodewijk On Wed, Aug 14, 2019, 07:33 Rajeeb Dutta wrote: > Congrats Ryan & all my best wishes, thanks Katherine for the update. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement from the Board of Wikimedia Belgium (WMBE)

2019-08-02 Thread effe iets anders
Thanks for the update Geert. I'll join you in thanking Romaine for the vast amounts of work that he has done over the past years in Belgium. I think this was a great trigger to get the chapter to where it is now - even if I have only seen the tip of the activities from my comfortable outsider

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Belated update from Wikimedia Portugal

2019-08-02 Thread effe iets anders
Thanks for the update - I'm glad this got resolved. Lodewijk On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:50 AM Rajeeb Dutta wrote: > Great news and many many congratulations to all the winners. > Thanks Gonçalo for the update. > > Best Regards, > Rajeeb. > (U: Marajozkee) > Sent from my iPhone > > > On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fallout from 2018 Wikimedian of the Year announcement

2019-07-25 Thread effe iets anders
Hey Farhad, really impressive how you managed to leverage this opportunity. Thank you for putting in all this effort, it's heart warming to see you and your colleagues so busy. Lodewijk On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1:16 PM Фархад Фаткуллин / Farhad Fatkullin < f...@yandex.com> wrote: > Dear

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Affiliations Committee : Wikimedia India's Demand For A Fair And Transparent Hearing

2019-07-15 Thread effe iets anders
Thank you Kirill for outlining the procedural component. That is helpful, and paints a better picture. I know Affcom us always balancing in a tough position, not only between interests but also between different levels of transparency expectations. The piece of information that I'm struggling to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Open Letter to Affiliations Committee : Wikimedia India's Demand For A Fair And Transparent Hearing

2019-07-08 Thread effe iets anders
Thanks Abhinav for your email. I'm having a hard time splitting the email out in a) what is the exact and complete set of reasons that Affcom put the chapter on suspension. b) what additional complaints are part of the big picture. c) what is the response from WMIN. I realize it is really hard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Code of Conduct committee candidates

2019-06-21 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Amir, Thanks. I agree with your assessment. Probably asking for the obvious: is there someone on the committee that knows the real world identity (and the other way around, the online pseudonym) of each member, and could flag a COI/suggest to abstain if need be? (aside from people refraining

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread effe iets anders
Gerard, I think your comment is highly inappropriate. I don't generally like to pile on, but this needs calling out. When discussing these sensitive topics, the very least we can expect, is a careful approach to the matter. I don't know the underlying situation well enough to establish who's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright workflows - research (Was: Re: Foundation management of volunteers)

2019-06-17 Thread effe iets anders
The landscape has changed quite a bit since 2012, and there are a number of players that could offer a service like this by now. It may be worthwhile exploring them briefly (including but not limited to Google), if we believe this is important enough to invest time in (and I agree that there is a

[Wikimedia-l] Trust & Safety (was: New board for...)

2019-06-17 Thread effe iets anders
(forking the discussion to allow a focus on more general line, rather than the specifics of who wrote what, why and when) My main takeaway from this discussion would be that it's good if there is a neutral review option for actions by the T team (or the WMF in general), such as an ombudsperson. A

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread effe iets anders
in favor of a >unilateral preferred action. >- Abruptly undoing administrator actions without consultation. >- *Reversal of a Wikimedia Foundation office action ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Office_actions>.* > > > Dan Rosenthal > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread effe iets anders
Great, now we have a wheelwar going on ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block=Fram ). I have a hard time seeing how this would help anyone. A massive discussion where everyone tries to say something and nobody really reads everything (because how could you) is not going to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing our newest chapter, Wikimedia Korea

2019-04-23 Thread effe iets anders
Refreshing to see some positive development here again, after all the complications, setbacks etc - welcome to your new status WMKR! It was always a joy to see you at work in activities, looking forward to hearing even more from you again :) Lodewijk On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 3:11 PM María

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws changed plus next steps

2019-02-20 Thread effe iets anders
As for process.. While I appreciate that this time, the change was at least announced before the vote, and that some board members at least engaged in some conversation - I have yet to see how this was taken into consideration by the board as a whole. It feels like the board already made up its

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Analytics] Farewell, Erik!

2019-02-06 Thread effe iets anders
I have always enjoyed Erik's insightful input - especially the insights that people don't like to hear at first. I trust that much more of that is to come in the future, so I'm not ready to say farewells :). I wouldn't be able to accurately summarize it anyway. Erik, I hope that you'll find a lot

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Questions about proposed new Chapter agreement for Wikimedia Portugal

2019-01-27 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Gonçalo, Thanks for sharing. I share most of your concerns, reading your explanation - and they seem reasonable. I find it particularly odd that such major changes are forced upon the chapter in this situation. If these changes are necessary, it would be better to discuss them in a global

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Hiding versions because of copyright violation

2019-01-14 Thread effe iets anders
he > project that is most abused, sometimes in ways that I'd be hesitant to > publicly describe. > > > Risker/Anne > (English Wikipedia oversighter) > > On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 12:29, effe iets anders > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> This is one of thes

[Wikimedia-l] Hiding versions because of copyright violation

2019-01-14 Thread effe iets anders
Hi all, This is one of these things that seems particularly hard to find, so I'd like to pick your collective brains on this: What are the various policies across our little universe on using the 'hide version' functionality to hide historical versions of articles? I would especially appreciate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal regarding norms for meeting/deadline announcements

2018-10-21 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Pine, I would also suggest not to get overly bureaucratic with this :) If the public meeting you refer to requires a large attendance, the 14 days makes sense for example - but I cannot recall many meetings of that style. Rather, most meetings are either scheduled taking the availability of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedians of Chicago User Group first annual report submitted

2018-10-10 Thread effe iets anders
Wow congratulations :) I'm guessing this is the link you wanted to include: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Chicago_User_Group/2018_Annual_Report On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:51 PM Brian Choo wrote: > Fellow Wikimedians, > > Wikimedians of Chicago User Group has put together their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for Proposals to Host Wikimania in 2020

2018-09-28 Thread effe iets anders
Perhaps stating the obvious, but please remember there were some significant flaws with the consultation by the WMF that you refer to (especially with regards to the way questions were phrased and options were limited beforehand, if I recall correctly). Wikimania's purpose is mostly pluriform and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

2018-09-27 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Cornelius, a quick sanity check (sorry if this was already discussed): in your overview, you don't mention any WMF staff members as such. Is that because they won't be invited in that capacity (i.e. not including staff members that happen to be in affcom, that are affiliate representatives or

[Wikimedia-l] Suspensions of affiliates

2018-09-17 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Kirill, (changing the topic to reflect better the more abstract case: this is no longer about WMPT, as I don't know enough about that specific instance) I appreciate your concerns for embarrassing situations. This may be the least painful approach in many of the cases. I also appreciate that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fallout from 2018 Wikimedian of the Year announcement

2018-08-29 Thread effe iets anders
Thanks for picking this challenge up with such enthusiasm! Lodewijk On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 6:58 AM Alex Stinson wrote: > Thank you Farhard for sharing out the progress that you have been making as > a benefit of the Wikipedian of the Year! I look forward to continuing to > support these

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Inc. working with Go Fish Digital, a company that whitewashes Wikipedia

2018-08-08 Thread effe iets anders
Thanks for sharing, Greg. As it proves to be quite hard to filter out this kind of companies, it must be even harder for affiliates that don't have the WMF infrastructure at hand. I can imagine there exists some kind of 'blacklist' of companies that the WMF doesn't want to work with for this kind

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Proposed amendment to the Wikimedia Terms of Use

2014-02-20 Thread effe iets anders
it seems my email was rejected, trying to send again: Maybe I missed something, but could you please explain why the Terms of Use would be the best place to make this kind of decisions? As I understand it, the Terms of Use are Wikimedia-wide, and I'm not 100% certain this is the kind of rule