Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
Some thoughts over the matter:
Wikipedia has already rules about how the users should  interact and the
"penalties" that all users would endure equally if they wouldn 't apply to
them. If you are a volunteer/user the things are simple. You get blocked
and that is that. Imagine being a newbie then sadly, things are even more
simple. The problem starts when the administrators who are called to
perform those rules are the harrashers themselves and don' t get punished.
For example old users with multiple interactions with WMF such as grants,
being in user groups/chapters with funding, grantees of trips in
conferences annualy and having created a net of protection of
users/administrators around them over the years, because they know the
tricks to fly under the rader and be likeable. People as such, who see
their interaction with wikipedia more as a profortable and prestigious job,
and are "vauliable" to wmf because they run the annual contests in
wikipedia or doing other wikimedia jobs beneficiary to the foundation but
not wikipedia, is the code of contact going to apply as well? Simple rules
don't. And who will execute it?  I believe that the code of conduct is an
attempt, for the wmf to be politically correct in the eyes of the world and
the communities that something is going to change to the better in
wikipedia. I  believe that the code of conduct will not solve any problems
because that is not why it's being made for. Participating to the
discussion just legalize wmf behaviour to not  encounter all user equally
and "putting under the rag" serious harrasment cases by users just because
they get the job done.

But the truth of the matter is that WMF only regards us as equals when
needs us to support it.


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Στις Τετ, 9 Σεπ 2020, 4:22 π.μ. ο χρήστης Dan Szymborski <
dszymbor...@gmail.com> έγραψε:

> There was meant to be a " " there, but my phone rudely stripped it.
>
> If it does it again, I'll make up a rule and suspend it for a year. It's
> what the WMF would want, I'm sure.
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:45 PM Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 20:06, Dan Szymborski 
> wrote:
> >
> > > The only tiniest shred of direct accountability on the board, the
> > community
> > > board elections
> > [...]
> >
> > They're not elections; we get to vote on nominations, the board decide
> > whether to accept them.
> >
> > --
> > Andy Mabbett
> > @pigsonthewing
> > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-23 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
The code of conduct is not a law.
People who are harassers are criminals and not above the law.
Sexual harassment is a serious offense. Any kind of harrasment is an
offense. Wikipedia s administrators are not the law and not above the law.
Wikipedia is not above the law.
People who seek help should be appointed to the right specialized
authorities as the police and not discouraged to do so.

Safety team from my experience, will not help any wikipedian/victim who
with report a harrasment case. They are just another department of
wikimedia foundation.

Any people is important and count.
Please take what ever actions you think is necessary.

I believe you.

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Στις Δευ, 24 Αυγ 2020, 7:39 π.μ. ο χρήστης Robert Myers <
robert.my...@wikimedia.org.au> έγραψε:

> And there the problem lies, going to local authorities (police) isn’t
> going to be useful. Some authorities require the alleged crime to be
> committed in their jurisdiction, which can be limited, anonymous nature of
> the person who committed the alleged crime makes it difficult to identify
> the individual(s), with it servers hosted outside the jurisdiction make it
> harder to investigate. Also I have seen in the past, WP:LEGAL used against
> those who have reported threats of physical violence or harassment
> (physical stalking) to law enforcement.
>
> I do think there needs to be a off-wiki complaint process for serious
> allegations, since on-wiki processes can be inappropriate and acts as a
> chilling effect (since it is very open and public) on the victim(s). The
> same situation can occur for alleged perpetrator(s), where the
> allegation(s) are false or vexatious and malicious grievances.
>
> Maybe the Universal Code of Conduct might address this issue, it might not
> as well.
>
> --
> Robert Myers
> robert.my...@wikimedia.org.au
> http://www.wikimedia.org.au
>
> > On 24 Aug 2020, at 1:37 pm, Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής <
> anonymuswikiped...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you ve been sexually harassed in wikipedia this is not a matter to be
> > solved on a mailing list or by Safety team. Go to you local authorities
> and
> > report it. This is a very serious matter to just become an essay for
> > someone or belive that it can be solved by administrators or safety team.
> > Safety team in my harassment case told me to "politely" ask my harrasers
> to
> > stop harassing me. Please don t relay on them for such a serious matter!
> > Please be safe and I m sure you can seek help by trained and serious
> people
> > by your local authorities.
> > I wish someone could told me that in my case then and not point me to
> > safety team. They will not help you.
> >
> > Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
> >
> >
> > Στις Δευ, 24 Αυγ 2020, 3:41 π.μ. ο χρήστης Gnangarra <
> gnanga...@gmail.com>
> > έγραψε:
> >
> >> If someone feels harassed then a public noticeboard is the last place to
> >> send them for help,  that is an absolute failure of the community to
> >> understand that the act of reporting is also doubling down on the harm.
> >> Doing so publicly is indicating to the person committing the harassment
> >> that they have succeeded in causing harm.
> >>
> >> This folks is the very reason why we fail to retain editors and breach
> the
> >> imbalance of editors and continue have trouble with bias.  Everyone
> speaks
> >> english but the cultural nuances of the language vary greatly with words
> >> having multiple meanings and being used specifically to cause offense.
> >>
> >> The word cutie has its meanings;
> >>
> >>   -  of being nice looking when talking about kids and animals
> >>
> >> but once its used referring to an adult as part of a discussion its
> changes
> >> to that of them being;
> >>
> >>   - of being an arsehole
> >>   - of being picky
> >>   - and of having sexual connotations ranging from you are fuckable, to
> >>   your sexual orientation.
> >>
> >> When these complaints get to something like AN/I those cultural and
> >> linguistic nuances get dismissed and the person using them has gained a
> lot
> >> of power, self satisfaction, and endorsement of their harassment as
> being
> >> ok, with a bonus that other users are now also enabled to harass the
> >> complaining editor knowing full well that AN/I will do nothing.
> >>
> >> The bottom line is if a person feels harassed they have been harassed,
> >> whether we understand the depth of why they feel harassed is not
> relevant
> >> but that should not 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-23 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
If you ve been sexually harassed in wikipedia this is not a matter to be
solved on a mailing list or by Safety team. Go to you local authorities and
report it. This is a very serious matter to just become an essay for
someone or belive that it can be solved by administrators or safety team.
Safety team in my harassment case told me to "politely" ask my harrasers to
stop harassing me. Please don t relay on them for such a serious matter!
Please be safe and I m sure you can seek help by trained and serious people
by your local authorities.
I wish someone could told me that in my case then and not point me to
safety team. They will not help you.

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Στις Δευ, 24 Αυγ 2020, 3:41 π.μ. ο χρήστης Gnangarra 
έγραψε:

> If someone feels harassed then a public noticeboard is the last place to
> send them for help,  that is an absolute failure of the community to
> understand that the act of reporting is also doubling down on the harm.
> Doing so publicly is indicating to the person committing the harassment
> that they have succeeded in causing harm.
>
> This folks is the very reason why we fail to retain editors and breach the
> imbalance of editors and continue have trouble with bias.  Everyone speaks
> english but the cultural nuances of the language vary greatly with words
> having multiple meanings and being used specifically to cause offense.
>
> The word cutie has its meanings;
>
>-  of being nice looking when talking about kids and animals
>
> but once its used referring to an adult as part of a discussion its changes
> to that of them being;
>
>- of being an arsehole
>- of being picky
>- and of having sexual connotations ranging from you are fuckable, to
>your sexual orientation.
>
> When these complaints get to something like AN/I those cultural and
> linguistic nuances get dismissed and the person using them has gained a lot
> of power, self satisfaction, and endorsement of their harassment as being
> ok, with a bonus that other users are now also enabled to harass the
> complaining editor knowing full well that AN/I will do nothing.
>
> The bottom line is if a person feels harassed they have been harassed,
> whether we understand the depth of why they feel harassed is not relevant
> but that should not be a barrier to prevent further harassment.
>
>
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 06:21, Isaac Olatunde 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Chris,
> >
> > This isn't a terribly bad advise, AFAICS.
> >
> > Harassments are treated on a case-by-case basis.
> >
> > So, if this is something you aren't comfortable discussing publicly, you
> > could email the Functionary team or ArbCom or similar body in that
> > community.
> >
> > If it's something that should be removed from public view, you could
> > contact the oversight team.
> >
> > I can't see the contents of the harassment, so I can only speak based on
> > general principle.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Isaac
> >
> > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 23:07 Chris Sherlock, 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > To be clear, this is what I was advised:
> > >
> > > “ Harassment concerns can be reviewed under the appropriate community
> > > process. I would therefore advise you to report the edit summary to the
> > > appropriate channels on the wiki it occured. If this happened on
> English
> > > Wikipedia, this would be the Administrator's board for incidents.
> > > I hope the above is helpful.”
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On 24 Aug 2020, at 6:43 am, Chris Sherlock <
> chris.sherloc...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is concerned about
> being
> > > sexually harassed they must report this to AN/I and there are no
> private
> > > mechanisms to report this sort of thing.
> > > >
> > > > Is this for real?
> > > >
> > > > Chris Sherlock
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia during a quarantine

2020-03-17 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
Hello from Greece I hope everyone is safe and well, and congratulations for
your work these difficult times.

Wikipedia Community Schools Association Greece Group is starting Webinars
through Skype for people who are in quarantine because of the epidemic.

So far the interest for the webinar is going very well.

This is the link from our Facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/1735432253352075/posts/2644767095751915/

Stay safe, stay strong

Regards
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Στις Δευ, 16 Μαρ 2020, 2:24 μ.μ. ο χρήστης Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> έγραψε:

> Hello!
> Millions of students are in forced quarantine these days, so in the Basque
> Wikipedia we are doing an effort to offer teachers activities they can do
> with their students online. It's being a hard work, but this crisis is a
> good opportunity to spread the relationship between Wikimedia
>
> You can see our main education page here:
> https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari:Hezkuntza
>
> Are you doing similar efforts in your countries?
>
> Thanks
>
> Galder
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Summit 2020 in Berlin cancelled

2020-03-02 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
Hello,
Could we participate in the virtual presentations even if we weren't
selected in the first place?

Regards
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Στις Σάβ, 29 Φεβ 2020, 2:48 π.μ. ο χρήστης Roman Bustria Jr. <
bustr...@gmail.com> έγραψε:

> Hi Abraham & Katherine,
>
> We understand the decision and it is for the general safety of not just the
> participants of that meeting, but the communities they represent as well.
>
> To Everyone,
>
> There is a wiki page that was shared to us in one forum and we wish this
> page be collaboratively expanded for any events that may require
> remote access.
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_remote_event_participation
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Butch Bustria
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 6:31 AM Bobby Shabangu 
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for letting us know.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bobby Shabangu
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 21:49 Bodhisattwa Mandal <
> > bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Thank you for letting us know.
> > >
> > > Your message has been conveyed to our representative who was going to
> be
> > > participating in the "physical" Summit from our side. We will wait for
> > your
> > > instruction on the process of the upcoming virtual meetings.
> > >
> > > Thank you for thinking about the health of the participants.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Bodhisattwa
> > > West Bengal Wikimedians User Group
> > >
> > > On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 01:10, Risker  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank you for informing the global community of this.  More
> > importantly,
> > > > thank you for recognizing that the safety and well-being of the
> global
> > > > community should take precedence over a meeting.  This is the way to
> > > "walk
> > > > the talk" about community safety.
> > > >
> > > > Risker/Anne
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 14:06, Abraham Taherivand <
> > > > abraham.taheriv...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear all,
> > > > >
> > > > > It’s with regret that we have to inform you that due to the global
> > > health
> > > > > situation (COVID-19), the physical meeting of the Wikimedia Summit
> > 2020
> > > > and
> > > > > related side events in Berlin have been cancelled.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since we currently look into hosting the Summit in a series of
> > virtual
> > > > > meetings, starting at the dates of the Summit, please keep the
> dates
> > > > > blocked in your calendar.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are aware that this announcement will cause many questions (not
> > only
> > > > in
> > > > > relation to the Summit). Please be patient, more information will
> > > follow
> > > > > from our teams in the next few days.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Abraham Taherivand, Executive Director Wikimedia Deutschland
> > > > >
> > > > > Katherine Maher, Executive Director Wikimedia Foundation
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Geschäftsführender Vorstand / Executive Director
> > > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Vad glädjer dig den här veckan? / What’s making you happy this week? (Week of 29 September 2019)

2019-10-02 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
At the 30th of September Wikipedia Community Schools Association Greece
received the Silver Award in the category of Education for its volunteer
work, in the VoluntaryAction Festival held by Skywalker.gr and the
Municipality of Athens. Congratulations are in order for our educators
Xristos Nasios, Tasos Paliouras, Roula Petrou, Aggelos Sioros and Manos
Kefalas for their work with Wikipedia in the University of West Attica, the
Special Needs Gymnasium and Lyceum of Athens, the 4th Gymnasium of Ag.
Dimitrious, the Club of Senior Citizens in Grava and the Library of the
Interorthodox Centre of the Church of Greece.

So, this is something that made me really happy this week.

Regards
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Στις Δευ, 30 Σεπ 2019 - 4:39 π.μ. ο χρήστης Pine W 
έγραψε:

> *"A Wikilibrarian's story"*
>
>
> (The text in this section was copied from *Books & Bytes*, Issue 35,
> July–August 2019
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/July-August_2019
> >;
> see the page history on Meta for attribution.)
>
>
> One's advent into the world of Wikimedia projects is almost always a
> noteworthy account. Here we share one such account of a librarian who was
> introduced to Wikipedia in an unusual way and began their adventure trying
> to better understand Wikipedia and now helps others understand it too!
>
>
> *Laurie Bridges is an Instruction and Outreach Librarian at Oregon State
> University in the US. She was introduced to Wikipedia by her son: at age 9,
> he was assigned a class project to research and present about a species of
> frog, and was told to only use Wikipedia for his research. When he related
> this to her, she thought, "If 9-year-olds are being introduced to research
> using Wikipedia, I better learn more about Wikipedia". So she got involved
> because she wanted to better understand the resource her son, and the
> students at her university, use. She explains:*
> Students and faculty are familiar with [Wikipedia] because many use it
> daily, although they do not cite it in their papers. As a librarian I teach
> about information literacy and help students and faculty with their
> research. Wikipedia is a familiar website that I can use to teach
> information literacy and afterwards students and faculty leave equipped
> with a better understanding of how the information source works. Students
> are used to teachers and professors saying, "Don't use Wikipedia." However,
> this dismissive statement doesn't teach the students how, why, or when they
> can use Wikipedia or other online resources. We are living in a time of
> misinformation and I want students to understand the information they are
> using and become critical consumers of that information. Using Wikipedia to
> teach students about information literacy is fun! In addition, it's
> fulfilling because I can see students' excitement as they learn more about
> Wikipedia, a website they use on a daily basis. I've found teaching with
> Wikipedia to be so rewarding that I want to spread the word.
>
> Finally, if librarians don't teach students about Wikipedia and what it is
> (or isn't), who is going to teach them? I'd like to see more activity and
> interest from librarians related to Wikipedia. This is why whenever I get a
> chance, I will introduce other librarians to … the Wikimedia Movement. Last
> year I received a scholarship to attend Wikimedia + Education in San
> Sebastián, Spain. I was only one of two librarians in attendance (in
> addition to Basque librarians who were volunteering at the event). It was a
> great learning opportunity and I connected with so many enthusiastic
> educators. I'd love to see enough interest from librarians to host a
> Wikimedia + Libraries conference! That would be a great conference!
>
>
>
> *The change of seasons*
>
> There are a variety of ways to define seasons
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season>, including meteorologically and
> culturally. For those in the northern hemisphere, the autumnal equinox was
> on 23 September this year; the autumnal equinox marks the transition from
> astronomical summer to astronomical autumn. For those in the southern
> hemisphere, 23 September was the spring equinox, which marked the
> transition from astronomical winter to astronomical spring.
>
> Awhile back I learned of a Scandinavian practice called kulning
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulning>, which involves using songs to
> call
> herds of cattle over long distances. Here is a video (YouTube link)
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc7F_qv3eI8> that shows cattle being
> summoned out of the field with a kulning call for the last time of the year
> in September 2017.
>
> Here are a few music selections f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Results of the Affiliate Selected Board Seats voting

2019-06-13 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
Congratulations to the new members!

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Στις Πέμ, 13 Ιουν 2019 - 6:16 π.μ. ο χρήστης Rajeeb Dutta <
marajoz...@gmail.com> έγραψε:

> Great new!! Congratulations to Nataliia, Shani and the current board
> members  who took the initiative and launched this
> process of election. Last but not the least, I like to thank election
> facilitators as well.
>
> Best Regards,
> Rajeeb Dutta.
> (U: Marajozkee).
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 13-Jun-2019, at 5:13 AM, João Alexandre Peschanski 
> wrote:
> >
> > The ASBS voting was an exciting process, as it was a first and important
> > step to deepen and broaden participatory decision making in our
> movement. I
> > thank the current board members who have been bold and launched this
> > process. I also thank the election facilitators who have worked
> restlessly
> > to make this happen. Thanks to candidates who have contributed to a
> > productive, engaging exchange of ideas with community members.
> >
> > The election of Nataliia and Shani is of course wonderful.
> Congratulations!
> > From what I can tell, the Brazilian community --which has gone through
> such
> > a hard period in recent times-- is wholeheartedly celebrating for you!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > João
> > User:Joalpe
> >
> >
> > Em qua, 12 de jun de 2019 às 19:56, Ad Huikeshoven 
> > escreveu:
> >
> >> *Dear Wikimedians, We are writing to let you know the result of the
> >> election for the 2 Affiliate Selected Board Seats on the Wikimedia
> >> Foundation board. The successful candidates were Nataliia Tymkiv and
> Shani
> >> Evenstein Sigalov. A total of 122 affiliates voted, 85% of the 143
> eligible
> >> to vote, which is a record. As you know the election was conducted
> under a
> >> variation of the Single Transferable Vote, which meant that prorated
> votes
> >> were redistributed between candidates to come up with the final result.
> In
> >> the 10th step of counting the final place, after Nataliia Tymkiv was
> >> elected, was between Shani Evenstein Sigalov (40.519678) and Richard
> Knipel
> >> (40.480322).  We have put the full count narrative on meta so that
> others
> >> can verify it if they wish.[1] It is the closest ASBS result for some
> time,
> >> and all candidates brought very valuable perspectives to the work of the
> >> WMF.  In the 9th step of counting Reda Kerbouche lost by a very small
> >> margin. Adding a ballot with rank #1 for Richard or Reda would result in
> >> them being elected instead of Shani. The same goes for removing a
> ballot.
> >> Changing the ranking on one of the ballots in a specific can way can
> result
> >> in a different outcome for the second seat. This is an election in which
> >> every vote counts.  As in any election, there is a chance that some
> voters
> >> misinterpreted the instructions and voted wrongly. We don't see a
> >> justification for an action as extraordinary and controversial as
> opening
> >> votes for review after the vote period is over. The instructions were
> >> visible and clear: "Rank any candidate from 1 (your preferred
> candidate) to
> >> 11 (your least preferred candidate)." After voting, voters received a
> >> confirmation email stating the name of each candidate they voted with
> the
> >> number of their rank: Rank 1, Rank 2, ... The agency of voters should be
> >> respected. As part of the retrospective we may identify areas of
> >> improvements on our side, but still the process was quite simple and
> >> documented. Some voters realized they made a mistake and requested a new
> >> ballot. New ballots were issued in those cases. This choice was done
> >> because of the specific situation of this election, since the process
> was
> >> complex for new affiliates and participation, diversity and inclusion
> were
> >> a clear goal.[2] We have published on meta information about who got a
> new
> >> ballot within the voting deadline.[3] The Election Facilitators have
> been
> >> available nearly 24 hours a day monitoring the various communication
> >> channels to answer any questions affiliates might have. We did our best
> at
> >> answering all of them. After our own scrutiny of the data, and based on
> our
> >> experience in community processes, we strongly advise the community to
> >> respect the integrity of the process, and advise against allowing any
> >> modifications of votes at this point. If the votes h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Kedu ihe na-eme gị obi ụtọ n'izu a? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 26 May 2019)

2019-05-30 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
Hello!
I'm happy for my group and especially for my friend Tasos Paliouras, who is
a teacher at the 4th High School of Saint Dimitrios in Athens, for
completing for the third consecutive year voluntarily the educational
program of our Wikiclub there. Many congratulations are in order  to him
and his students, but also to the School Administration for the completion
of the educational program.
You can see the excellent work of our Wikipedia's little editors on their
blogs:
https://4gym-ag-dimitr-wikiclub.blogspot.com

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2400562050172422=1735432253352075

Regards
Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής


Στις Πέμ, 30 Μαΐ 2019 - 1:01 π.μ. ο χρήστης Pine W 
έγραψε:

>  I was happy to read this announcement
> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-May/092570.html>
> by
> Amir regarding improvements for typing in African languages on Wikimedia
> projects. (I hope that the translation of the subject of this week's email
> is correct.)
>
> I thought that this
> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2019-May/092083.html>
> was
> an interesting WMF Tech Talk regarding WMF and W3C. I felt that it was
> encouraging that WMF staff on the call wanted to support the needs and
> wishes of Wikimedia readers and contributors. Thank you to WMF for
> publicizing this meeting and for collaborating with W3C.
>
> Thank you to engineering and technical staff who take initiative to respond
> to problems in a timely and constructive way. Someone who comes to mind is
> James Forrester, who has endured years of complaints regarding
> VisualEditor. Over time WMF has polished the tool's rough edges, greatly
> improved its performance, and added significant functionality. I know that
> hearing a barrage of complaints can be difficult, such as happens in this
> video
> clip <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBrK7mqceBs> from *Star Trek: Deep
> Space Nine* that is hosted on Youtube. (Yes, another *Star Trek* video. The
> title of the episode is shown at the start of the video, which is why it
> displays "Honor Among Thieves".) I appreciate James' calm demeanor,
> willingness to listen, responsiveness, patience, and perseverance.
>
> What's making you happy this week? You are welcome to comment in any
> language.
>
> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New action to lift Wikipedia block in Turkey

2019-05-24 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
Hello,
your message has already been forwarded through our social media in our
Facebook page, group and Instagram.
Good luck

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2397022473859713=1735432253352075

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bxz24s9oUIm/?igshid=gszs0ldheung



Στις Πέμ, 23 Μαΐ 2019 - 4:30 μ.μ. ο χρήστης Shani Evenstein <
shani.e...@gmail.com> έγραψε:

> Wonderful news!
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Shani.
>
>
> ---
> *Shani Evenstein Sigalov*
> * Lecturer, Tel Aviv University.
> * EdTech Innovation Strategist, NY/American Medical Program, Sackler School
> of Medicine, Tel Aviv University.
> * PhD Candidate, School of Education, Tel Aviv University.
> * OER & Emerging Technologies Coordinator, UNESCO Chair
>  on Technology,
> Internationalization
> and Education, School of Education, Tel Aviv University
> .
> * Chairperson, WikiProject Medicine Foundation
> .
> * Chairperson, Wikipedia & Education User Group
> .
> * Chairperson, The Hebrew Literature Digitization Society
> .
> * Chief Editor, Project Ben-Yehuda .
> +972-525640648
>
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 4:01 PM Katherine Maher 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > For the past two years, Turkish authorities have blocked access to
> > Wikipedia across all languages -- the most expansive form of blocking of
> > Wikipedia ever imposed.
> >
> > During that time, the Wikimedia Foundation has been working to lift the
> > block through many different efforts, including legal action in Turkish
> > courts, good faith conversations with Turkish authorities, and speaking
> > directly to the public to raise awareness of the block and its impact on
> > both Turkey and the rest of the world. Recently, we have also seen China
> > censor Wikipedia across all languages to the same extent.
> >
> > Therefore, we are announcing today that we have filed a petition in the
> > European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), the international court hearing
> > cases of human rights violations within the Council of Europe, in order
> to
> > lift the more than two-year block of Wikipedia in Turkey.
> >
> > In our filing, we argue that denying access to Wikipedia violates
> > fundamental freedoms of expression—freedoms that have been denied to the
> > more than 80 million people in Turkey who have been impacted by the
> block —
> > but also to the rest of the world, which has lost the perspectives of
> > residents of the country in contributing, debating, and adding to
> > Wikipedia. Turkey is a long-standing party of the Convention, which
> > protects the right to freedom of expression including the right to
> receive
> > and share information.
> >
> > We are making this petition to stand for these fundamental human rights
> and
> > freedoms, and to ask the court to order that the Turkish government lift
> > the block of Wikipedia. You can learn more about our and the ECHR in our
> > announcement on the Wikimedia Foundation blog:
> >
> >
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/05/23/wikimedia-foundation-petitions-the-european-court-of-human-rights-to-lift-the-block-of-wikipedia-in-turkey
> >
> > As part of this filing, we're also inviting Wikimedia affiliates,
> > communities, and the rest of the world to join us in amplifying the about
> > this action through a social media campaign. The campaign will focus on
> > raising awareness of Wikipedia being blocked in Turkey, and educating
> > people on why we took the step of filing with the ECHR. We will also tie
> > into the broader narrative around “knowledge is a human right” to make
> > clear the ECHR filing is one of many steps we need to take to ensure
> > Wikipedia is accessible to everyone.
> >
> > We invite you to join us in amplifying the messages of the campaign on
> > social media and sharing our statement with your networks. More
> information
> > on how to participate and translate into your language:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Unblock_campaigns
> >
> > This next action in the ECHR is part of an ongoing, resolute commitment
> and
> > strategy to protect everyone’s right to freely access knowledge. While
> the
> > focus of our action today is on the block in Turkey, we are also
> continuing
> > to explore our options and ways to support our readers and contributors
> in
> > China. We have more work to do, but I’m grateful for the steps we can
> take
> > today to realize that commitment.
> >
> > Finally, and perhaps most importantly -- I want to thank the Turkish
> > community for their continued efforts to stay involved, active, and
> present
> > in the Wikimedia projects and global community, despite these adverse
> > circumstances. We stand with you today in support of your continued
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the WikiClassics User Group

2019-05-13 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
Congratulations!

Στις Κυρ, 12 Μαΐ 2019 - 8:11 μ.μ. ο χρήστης Shlomi Fish <
shlo...@shlomifish.org> έγραψε:

> On Sun, 12 May 2019 11:43:22 -0400
> Kirill Lokshin  wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> > [1] the WikiClassics User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group
> > aims to improve the quantity and quality of information about classical
> > antiquity on the Wikimedia projects.
> >
> > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> >
>
> Congratulations!
>
> > Regards,
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_WikiClassics_User_Group
> > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiClassics_User_Group
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plea from Wikimedia Portugal

2018-10-10 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
Hello,
I'm really sorry to hear about the situation in Wikimedia Portugal. I hope
everything works out for the best soon.
I would really love to hear the side of the AffCom on the matter since,
from what I understand, there are many things unclear and we already
counding a similar situation in Wikimedia Brazil.

Regards
Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής



Στις Τετ, 10 Οκτ 2018 - 15:47 ο χρήστης Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulospern...@gmail.com> έγραψε:

> Some time ago, a Wikimedian friend told me AffCom is like the physician
> that comes to help with the cure when an Affiliate is ill. But that's
> really what they were in this WMPT case? This is a very bizarre situation,
> of which I'm personally having a lot of difficulties finding rational
> answers to it, let alone any conclusion. All I can offer is a personal
> account of the situation, to those who would be kind enough to have an
> interest on this case.
>
> Last May we at WMPT were really not expecting seeing AffCom bursting
> through the room in an emergency intervention, fixing what didn't need to
> be fixed, and willing to moderate what didn't need any moderation. As in
> the proverbial Monty Phyton scene[1], they quickly became the problem
> themselves.
>
> Many of us at WMPT are long-term Wikimedian volunteers, some of us for more
> than a decade already, in perfect good standing in our communities, where
> we hold and held responsibility roles. It includes current and former
> bureaucrats, sysops, ArbCom members, very active contributors to a number
> of Wikimedia projects. Most of us are founding members or directly
> connected to WMPT since its inception in 2009.
>
> Last March, when we took on ourselves this mission of fix and rebuild
> Wikimedia Portugal, who had been dormant for about 5 years, we were not
> expecting to face such a mighty and impenetrable adversary as AffCom has
> proven to be.
> For six months already we have been embroiled by AffCom in this Kafkian
> suspension process, where we are generally not told what the accusations
> are, and much less who is accusing us. It has been extremely painful,
> exhausting, and frustrating for everyone involved.
>
> We reached our limit. A number of us are now seriously considering
> abandoning not only the chapter, but the Wikimedia projects entirely, if we
> continue not being treated with the fairness and transparency we deserve.
> It truly begs the existential question of what are we all doing here,
> dedicating countless and very valuable hours of our lives for a Movement
> that lets this happen, for a Foundation-run committee[3] that apparently
> wants to kill us at all costs.
>
> Personally, I'm still confident that we'll successfully pass through this
> probation, and everything will become again the very optimistic scenario we
> all had last April, when we successfully elected a working board, and
> started working with great dedication in the many projects we have now
> running here in Portugal. I can only imagine how painful it was and is
> being for Gonçalo, to came here making this situation public and sharing it
> with everybody. We all have our dignity, nobody at WMPT likes this at all.
> For many months we tried to cope with this discreet and silently. But
> everything has a limit.
>
> Regards,
>
> Paulo
>
> [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spanish_Inquisition_(Monty_Python)
> [2] - As AffCom seems to be, despite what is written in their Meta page(
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee)
>
> GoEthe.wiki  escreveu no dia terça, 9/10/2018 à(s)
> 11:13:
>
> > The original message was rejected due to a filter rule match, but you can
> > access it here:
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediapt/2018-October/002698.html
> > I am sending it below without the links. Please access the link above for
> > the full version.
> > __
> >
> > Sorry in advance for the lengthy email – the tl;dr version is: Wikimedia
> > Portugal has done all it was asked to do, so the suspension that was held
> > conditional to performing those steps must be lifted accordingly. For the
> > sake of transparency, we are sending this out to not only the AffCom
> > mailing list, but also Wikimedia-l and WikimediaPT-l.
> > _
> >
> > Dear members of AffCom,
> >
> > (cc to the Wikimedia Portugal mailing list, Wikimedia mailing list)
> >
> > Last 5th October we were again surprised by the content of your email
> > (quoted below) in response to us completing the roadmap we had agreed
> upon
> > in order to remove the suspension of Wikimedia Portugal. On that message,
> > you say you have once more received information whose substantiation is
> no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF and non-WMF funding for Wikimedia work

2018-09-09 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
About my comment above:  I was referring ONLY in WMF grants. In Greek
wikipedia things are very weird and sad when people are being accused of
paid editing just for getting a WMF grant through the process that we all
know and always making a good and honest use of the wikimedia logos. The
ones who lightheartedly accuse people so easily are the ones who need to
have their interests or use of logos be checked.

Best regards to all
Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής

Στις 7 Σεπ 2018 02:34, ο χρήστης "Pine W"  έγραψε:

Definitely one needs to be careful when dealing with paid editing that it's
done in a transparent way and in a way that benefits the encyclopedia. I
think that the English Wikipedia community has generally accepted that
Wikimedians-in-Residence can do paid editing in a way that is beneficial to
the encyclopedia. I would like to see more of the good and less of the bad.
Money can certainly be a corrupting influence, but it can also support good
activities that otherwise wouldn't occur or would occur with less frequency
and quality.


Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )


On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 10:29 PM Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής <
anonymuswikiped...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately it s been said in Greek wikipedia that people that take
> grants are paid editors. And that came from people who already taken
grants
> for their projects in the past. Dark times in Greek wikipedia...
>
> Στις Τρί, 4 Σεπ 2018 - 00:03 ο χρήστης Pine W 
> έγραψε:
>
> > Hello colleagues,
> >
> > A topic which I feel that I should address again on this mailing list is
> > revenue for Wikimedia work, specifically WMF and non-WMF sources of
> > revenue.
> >
> > I will start by talking about my personal situation, and then discuss
> some
> > related situations.
> >
> > I am currently requesting a grant from WMF. I cannot afford afford to
> work
> > on this project in a sustainable way without funding, and I feel that I
> am
> > making a request that is reasonably aligned with market rates for
someone
> > with my current level of skills and knowledge, but I feel conflicted
> about
> > requesting funding from WMF because of the potential for difficulties
> > between WMF and the community, especially because of the potential that
I
> > would be reluctant to express my views regarding WMF due to fear of
> losing
> > WMF funding. (I'm not linking to my grant request here because I don't
> want
> > this email to give the impression that I'm using this topic to ask for
> > community endorsements for my grant request.)
> >
> > Similarly, *The Signpost *is labor-intensive to produce, and I would
like
> > for funding to be available for the more prolific *Signpost
*contributors
> > so that they have a good reason to treat their labor for The Signpost as
> > part time jobs. However, it would be difficult to maintain the editorial
> > independence of *The Signpost *from WMF if the contributors (especially
> > contributors to the "News and Notes" and "In the Media" sections, and
the
> > contributors who are responsible for the overall editing and
> > publication of *The
> > Signpost*) received funding from WMF.
> >
> > There are many other areas in the Wikimedia community where there is
> enough
> > work that is not getting done by volunteers, and/or where volunteers can
> > put in so many hours that they can get burnt out, that I think that
> non-WMF
> > funding would be good to make available for contributors who would like
> to
> > work in these areas. Two examples are investigations of undisclosed paid
> > editing, and translation and development of medical content.
> >
> > With Kaarl's cooperation (thank you, Kaarl) I have requested that two
of
> > the WMF strategy working groups consider non-WMF funding for Wikimedia
> work
> > as a part of their discussions.
> >
> > I would like for significant non-WMF revenue to be available for
> Wikimedia
> > work. I think that this could be arranged with WMF's cooperation,
> although
> > there is a long journey between saying that "I think that this could be
> > arranged" and having a successful system in place.
> >
> > If you have thoughts that you would like to share on this topic, then I
> > hope that you will comment here on this mailing list, or in some other
> > appropriate location such as one or both of the relevant strategy talk
> > pages ([1
> > <
> >
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Revenue_Streams
> > >]
> > or [2
> > <
> >
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF and non-WMF funding for Wikimedia work

2018-09-05 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
Unfortunately it s been said in Greek wikipedia that people that take
grants are paid editors. And that came from people who already taken grants
for their projects in the past. Dark times in Greek wikipedia...

Στις Τρί, 4 Σεπ 2018 - 00:03 ο χρήστης Pine W  έγραψε:

> Hello colleagues,
>
> A topic which I feel that I should address again on this mailing list is
> revenue for Wikimedia work, specifically WMF and non-WMF sources of
> revenue.
>
> I will start by talking about my personal situation, and then discuss some
> related situations.
>
> I am currently requesting a grant from WMF. I cannot afford afford to work
> on this project in a sustainable way without funding, and I feel that I am
> making a request that is reasonably aligned with market rates for someone
> with my current level of skills and knowledge, but I feel conflicted about
> requesting funding from WMF because of the potential for difficulties
> between WMF and the community, especially because of the potential that I
> would be reluctant to express my views regarding WMF due to fear of losing
> WMF funding. (I'm not linking to my grant request here because I don't want
> this email to give the impression that I'm using this topic to ask for
> community endorsements for my grant request.)
>
> Similarly, *The Signpost *is labor-intensive to produce, and I would like
> for funding to be available for the more prolific *Signpost *contributors
> so that they have a good reason to treat their labor for The Signpost as
> part time jobs. However, it would be difficult to maintain the editorial
> independence of *The Signpost *from WMF if the contributors (especially
> contributors to the "News and Notes" and "In the Media" sections, and the
> contributors who are responsible for the overall editing and
> publication of *The
> Signpost*) received funding from WMF.
>
> There are many other areas in the Wikimedia community where there is enough
> work that is not getting done by volunteers, and/or where volunteers can
> put in so many hours that they can get burnt out, that I think that non-WMF
> funding would be good to make available for contributors who would like to
> work in these areas. Two examples are investigations of undisclosed paid
> editing, and translation and development of medical content.
>
> With Kaarl's cooperation (thank you, Kaarl) I have requested that two  of
> the WMF strategy working groups consider non-WMF funding for Wikimedia work
> as a part of their discussions.
>
> I would like for significant non-WMF revenue to be available for Wikimedia
> work. I think that this could be arranged with WMF's cooperation, although
> there is a long journey between saying that "I think that this could be
> arranged" and having a successful system in place.
>
> If you have thoughts that you would like to share on this topic, then I
> hope that you will comment here on this mailing list, or in some other
> appropriate location such as one or both of the relevant strategy talk
> pages ([1
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Revenue_Streams
> >]
> or [2
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Resource_Allocation
> >
> ]).
>
> Let me make a specific invitation to WMF employees to share your thoughts.
> I would like to hear your comments, both official and personal, if that is
> okay and if you would like to comment.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

2017-11-13 Thread Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
I' m sorry to hear that Portuguese Wikipedia has similar problems as 
Greek Wikipedia. Being the victim of harassment from administrators of 
Greek Wikipedia (they post my real sex, name and email and archived my 
personal data for future use to threaten me and the wikipedians who help 
me, telling me that my harassment won t stop just in wikipedia but and 
in other social media as the had done in the past) which led me to stop 
editing even tho I'm a 100wikidayer and 100wikicommonsdayer and 
participated in an international conference here in Greece presenting 
the work that the community have done in Wikipedia. I think that letting 
fellow wikipedians know about this kind of problems is crucial for the 
improvement of community health because it can start some actions to 
resolve such cyber crimes. From what I understand Wikimedia foundation 
is not really interested of helping women who are being harassed as long 
as the bullying is not reported to the police and the bullies are useful 
in wikipedia projects as for example hosting a cee meeting or wikimania 
in Greece. They are even rewarded with trips and let them participate in 
projects such as women in Red, which is actually really funny if you 
think about it. The bullies who sent women away from wikipedia are 
getting grands for contacting workshops to find women who would like to 
participate in wikipedia. :P They present themselves as educators in 
Greece but really who would you like persons like that teaching their kids?
There is always a standard answer from wmf when someone complains of 
being harassed: they say that this person is bitterful and not talking 
with courtesy. In my case SUSA even implied that me (the victim) should 
contacted my bullies and ask them politely to stop harassing me and did 
absolutely nothing to help me. You see I m only a volunteer and not a 
professional wikimedian so I m not really important to them.
I really hope the issues in Portuguese Wikipedia will resolve quickly 
because I know how stressful and sad these situations can be not only 
for the people involved but for all the community.


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On 06/11/2017 11:55 μμ, Asaf Bartov wrote:

A message from your list moderators:

This thread does not belong on this list.

It is spillover of a long and bitter conflict in the Portuguese community,
and this list's membership is not well situated to contribute to a solution
through discussion on this list.  Those particularly interested and able
can participate in relevant threads on the Portuguese Wikipedia.

However, moving the mutual recriminations onto this list is escalation that
can only upset people and exacerbate the conflict, and is not an effective
way to seek help.

As was mentioned, the matter involves allegations of harassment --
investigated by the Support and Safety team in the Community Engagement
department at WMF -- as well as legal action.  Both avenues would not
benefit from partial and probably-biased context shared on this list.

The parties in conflict should continue to seek a modus vivendi on the wiki
they share, on-wiki, as well as through the channels they are already
pursuing.  Smearing the other side on this list won't accomplish anything.

Accordingly, *please stop posting on this thread*.  We have also placed the
Brazilians involved in this conflict on temporary moderation, to prevent
further escalation.

(putting on my WMF hat for a moment -- As a further point of context, both
sides have at one point requested WMF intervention in Brazil.  WMF has not
yet announced whether and how it would intervene, though several
alternatives have been discussed. Stay tuned.)

  A.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:47 PM Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote:


This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never ends
in a "reconciliation".

Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity mission.

Vito

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2017-11-06 15:30 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org>:


Thank Chico and Henrique for your reports and related links.

I encourage both of you to document further this topic. But as the

mailing

list format might quickly turn it into a flameware, to avoid list
moderators some disagreeable work, you could preferably find more suited
place to develop your points. Punctual feedback on the list to signal
creation or update of additional external resources is welcome, as far as
I'm concerned.

You might, inter alia, use wikimedia-timeline[1] to generate an overview
of main statements you are claiming, each linked to related resources

which

let reader deepen their inquiry on the topic if they have interest an