That would enter the domain of naming guidelines and we don't have those in
general. Again, I have been pointing out since the first years of SUL.
For example a string can look terrible in one language but not another, you
have a normal user experience in one Wikipedia, and than you realize
for example to link local policies there, so people can start to
get an idea what could be used as a reference.
Il martedì 9 novembre 2021, 13:46:11 CET, Peter Southwood
Seems a reasonable idea. Cheers, Peter
From: Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
21), and the plaque/obit should respect the privacy.
That's my initial thoughts on this.
ইতি,টিটো দত্ত(মাতৃভাষা থাক জীবন জুড়ে)
মঙ্গল, ৯ নভেম্বর, ২০২১ তারিখে ৫:৪৮ AM টায় তারিখে Alessandro Marchetti via
Personally I think we should validate first a global policy on d
Yes, a user status/right “deceased" is IMHO important. It was also the reason
why I expected a SUL policy to be created soon or later. I tried two or three
time to raise the issue since 2016.
Now some projects block accounts, but it's not a standard process. It has to be
fixed soon or later.
Personally I think we should validate first a global policy on deceased users.
After many years of SUL it's still very fragmented from platform to platform. A
centralized procedure to confirm death and how to block account would be a good
After that, i think we need a standard
I still believe that a screening phase where people with limited support below
a certain threshold can quit the race or be removed is the best way to have a
functional ballot... to me it's just simpler this way. Even at real-life
elections you need to show some signatures to access the race.
As a long-time cross-platform user, I have been checking user rights for
years. These flag systems have strong differences among platforms.
They originate from lack of perspective, sometimes.. some long-time users have
no interest in analyzing them, there is a lack of literacy about flag
I'm glad to share the 2020 Annual Report of our User Group
Wikimedia-l mailing list -- email@example.com, guidelines
It's an old topic. I tried to discuss it in 2015
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Alexmar983/sandbox#SUL_issues and also
again at an informal after-meeting weeks ago.
First of all, there is no strong global management of username blacklist as
people might imagine. Beyond the cases of
WikiNotYetFree is ok, structured search for locally hosted files is ok... I
think that there are many different pathways that will lead to more or less a
What should be clear, IMHO, is that some process will occur in any case even if
somebody stands on the soapbox
We have an archive mixing different licenses now, one is Commons ranging from
CC-0 to CC BY SA, and other ones are local Wikis sometimes including in their
spectrum of situations many non-free files in fair use. this is proof that an
archive hosting non-free files with other free-licensed
Most of the proposal for NC usually pushed for a separate infrastructure, as
far as I know. I'm not a fan of a unified archive, for example I am fine with a
As I said, I also see it as a great way to experiment many features we can't
have on Commons, maybe even a truly
I still think that more transparency is possible here and there on this issue.
Of course, we could have started a long process to get there by now but time is
limited and precisely because we should provide a "healthy image of the
movement" my goal so far has been to avoid using OTRS with
I am now quite confused. Are we supposed to ask very specific questions about
OTRS hoping to get an answer because if the questions are too generic for sure
we will never get a lot of answers? is that the general idea?
ok if it helps, here are some of them
1. are OTRS policies categorized
Centralized Wiki for NC files will work. It's the same debate when we started
to put metadata on Commons, it did not stop the process, it just made it slower
and less efficient, but it remained kinda inevitable.
It's the same background, the frustration and confusion of the current
I would probably never try to convince somebody about NC license. It sounds
pushy and almost never works, it's like optimizing a process that has a 0.1%
output. of course I can spend less time to do so, and maybe double the effect,
but it's still a limited output.
I prefer to agree with
do not want to judge about this intention, but I
imagine that it can become problematic when your goal is to build a
Benjamin Lees schrieb am So. 12. Juli 2020 um 09:31:
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 9:20 PM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedi
, 09:31:12 CEST, Benjamin Lees
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 9:20 PM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
Are we really sure he would have done something in any case if we did not
provide such options?
It's pretty hard to be sure about the hypothetical behavior of i
I always supported a more effective centralized policy for NC. I don't think
that will discourage organizations from adopting more free license per se, the
same way that adopting certain NC material on local Wikis did not so far. it's
not an absolute consequence, it's how you do it.
First of all, good job. I appreciate that.
To be honest, however, some of us did not need a "proof of concept" to know
that this was possible, we would have helped to build it years ago if the
situation allowed it. it did not, the "social" environment was against it. We
could not de facto
To be honest, I actively discourage newbies to edit but also to upload on
Commons when they start. I prefer it when they focus on something else. If
needed, I can find enough files because of my expertise and that's a decent
starting point. Of course, I am active and soon or later uploading is
ady have so its all consistent. At the moment we are
> developing differing concepts, tools, policies in isolation .
>> On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 23:34, Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
>> firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>> Yes, structured data a
l Klein wrote:
> Commons needs iterative workflows that tag problems and modify what reuses
> / transfusions are supported, rather than making everything a crude
> delete/keep decision. Else it will always struggle w scaling to these
> On Mon., May 18, 20
Commons needs iterative workflows that tag problems and modify what reuses /
transfusions are supported, rather than making everything a crude delete/keep
decision. Else it will always struggle w scaling to these uses.
On Mon., May 18, 2020, 9:48 a.m. Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia
h time. Also I
would introduce it only to students with a solid knowledge of English.
Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
schrieb am Mo. 18. Mai 2020 um 13:08:
> In the end, it's more like inducing order from other projects than caring
> about the order on Commons because there clearly c
I keep using Commons/OTRS with newbies, but I warned them how dysfunctional it
can be. it's not really about doing things properly but how they look a certain
way to people with a certain mindset. Addressing issues of copyright has
limited correlation with what people who know superficially
process of Commons that enable it to recognise stuff
that has a place in "fair use" situations. It opens up our content
linguistically and it will definitely make us more inclusively for a world
beyond the two U-s.Thanks, GerardM
On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 17:25, Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia
"there are way less people maintaining it than it is needed" is naif summary
of what is going on. IMHO. There are people maintaining it in a way that is
counterproductive. You can always create an efficient workflow, if you want it.
We don't need people that delete an image of a statue in the
I told so many times WMF should support infrastructure for the volunteers, so
thank you very much for this step in that direction.
Il domenica 26 aprile 2020, 01:08:01 CEST, Tito Dutta
That's super great news. I definitely want to try it. Thanks a lot for
I took images of an almost empty Milan Central train station even before i
think there were any specific social distancing rule
... and created few days later
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:44 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
Well, we did our share. For both medical and social aspects, we were there.
I was hoping at least to get some guidelines for our
. But despite a bunch of follow up emails have not seemed too
keen. It is really a lost opportunity for both of us :-(
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:47 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
> Some of us sent an email when it was (only apparen
Some of us sent an email when it was (only apparently) less serious but we got
no reply, as far as I know. It was sent by the UG of Washington DC and I
contacted WMCH doing that, because they might reach their central office
quickly in Geneva if necessary.
Changing some licenses was one of the
is the chat at Commons
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 17:45, Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
Can you pro
Can you provide some links?
I keep asking images for Wikidata items since years and I do not recall any
issue at all. I have the feeling that as long everything is formally correct
(all categories prepared and linked via wikidata infobox) nobody digs into that
It's true however that
in AffCom concerning communication with the
communities, for sure... :P
Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l escreveu
no dia quinta, 23/01/2020 à(s) 00:23:
On January the 10th I put it in the home page of meta
On January the 10th I put it in the home page of meta
, I think I did the same last year but I was considering obvious we had
received some mails and I did not pay attention.
I am surprised there are so many
Great news. Wish you all the luck!
Il giovedì 24 ottobre 2019, 11:22:42 CEST, Toni Ristovski
Thank you for your interest in this contest.
Yes, of course, you can upload non-professional photos.
No, photo should not be taken only from 15.10.2019 to 15.11.2019, so
Il mercoledì 31 luglio 2019, 20:11:39 CEST, Asaf Bartov
On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 7:02 PM Kirill Lokshin
> Hi everyone!
> I'm very happy to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
> has approved the recognition
Il mercoledì 31 luglio 2019, 20:08:32 CEST, camelia boban
Wonderful news, congrats to the new UG .
Camelia, WikiDonne UG
*| Java EE Developer |*
*Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia *Foundation
Coordinator - Diversity Working
Thank you all for your replies. Congratulation also to Wikimédiens du Bénin
User Group, for being recognized with us.
FYI, it seems that WikiClassics abbreviation will be WCS
Il lunedì 13 maggio
. And we gave a copy to each student, so they
could have a guidance. And we also gave them a direct e-mail so they could ask
for copyrights issues: two of them did it and we gave them some answers.
From: Wikimedia-l on behalf of
Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
We have dozens of cross project brainstorming off-wiki. But the general
feeling is often that if you encourage the social dynamics of a platform in a
way that people who like to "play cops" are a key actor... when this is
established there is no point in creating sophisticated or efficient
If I could share my vision, I am not part of the group of "expert flagged
users"(I have some flags here and there, I was asked to get more but I have no
rush) and I am not part of the group of "expert outreach users" (I make events
but change them so often I do not play any specific role).
Hi all. Thanks to UG Georgia for their effort.
if any UGs or chapter would like to publish a meta page about the choice of the
voter, in order to maximize transparency, that's a good idea. My only request
is to try to follow a similar naming scheme "Name of the affiliate/ASBS2019
I am happy to notice that, if I recall correctly, two of these finalists were
runner-ups of Wiki Science Competition 2017 (the tornado, Commons:Wiki Science
Competition 2017/Winners - Wikimedia Commons "image sets" category) and of
European Science Photo Competition 2015 (the frozen bubble,
uld be, and that
is a real problem.
I think there's a bias on Wikipedia when weighing the pros and cons of policy,
because it's easy to overlook the absence of something that never was there to
On Mar 13, 2019, at 5:01 PM, Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
Reminding is easy, it's analyzing that it's complex.
I suspect that editors and readers are probably a little bit smarter than
generally assumed. It's quite "obvious" that editors understand what is an
encyclopedia, after years. When I make an informal survey, statistically the
I know people in many fields with great technical expertise. people who
published articles on Science and Nature basically, and in the end I think they
are probably qualified to have an idea of what a good encyclopedia should be.
The point is that these people open wiki for topics far away
I guess... probably one include also the majority of Kosovo, Albanian-speaking
regions of Greece, P.Y.R.O.M./North Macedonia and maybe even Southern Italy and
the other one is just centered on Albania as a state. This is not the same
scenario as Brazil (not sure if, partially, also Greece)
privacy violations is not standard at all. For example some wikis hide
personal details that people put on purpose, while other ones see no point
since it's their will to show them.
Also, even if it is not strictly related to private information, blocking
deceased users is not standardized
The pro forma statement bout what a chapter is is valuable, but I think many
of us kinda got the idea that the problem was not the starting point (otherwise
why electing him?) but came later. It's possible that someone else with more
community experience would have never behaved such way, but
When I read such mails, I think there is something that it's not 100% working
in the workflow of AffCom. If i might say how i feel it, I would say that it is
not perceived like a "catalyst" of good practices, but more like a bottleneck
Maybe more transparency could help. UG and
collide.html https://ultimategerardm. blogspot.com/2018/07/
africagap-support-for- minority-languages.html https://ultimategerardm.
blogspot.com/2016/01/ wikipedia-lowest-hanging- fruit-from.html
On 16 July 2018 at 05:41, Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
yes, it i
yes, it is an old issue, what you say it's right but I would be more optimistic.
To summarize my view (I couls send you more information privately)
1. Wikidata largely reflected what Wikipedia indicated, and that was not the
right way to make it grow, but that was also the past. At the moment,
I usually push diversity in any situation but only after I got a core quality
group of volunteer. the first degree of diversity is the diversity based on
wiki activity, IMHO.. I care about the rest and I try to be honest if I go in
that direction and why I do that. If anyone is offended for
ts risks, its undesirables, and crime, just getting a taxi to and from the
airport is a risk reality is its also more likely than a terrorist event
On 6 April 2018 at 03:24, Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
That's why people offwiki say they
ch may happen).
So let's please not overreact, and stick to the current discussion instead of
having the next WikiConvention in a flying fortress with armed guards, sniffing
dogs, and metal detectors at every door…
Roger / Alphos
2018-04-05 18:40 GMT+02:00 Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
I remember we discussed 2 or 3 years about this scenario with some wikimedians
off wiki. I strongly support to discuss at least once openly about that. In a
way that it's rational, avoiding to create unnecessary panic... of course.
Despite the claimed neutrality of the communities, reality
Compared to the low point of 2016, it is glad that for another year we had
enough elected candidates.
Five is a good number.
Il Giovedì 1 Marzo 2018 1:36, Md. Ibrahim Husain ha
Congrats to the new stewards.
On Thursday, March 1, 2018, Mardetanha
Do you need some contacts of local expert wikimedians too? It's a mail from
I can show you how to contact them on their user talk pages if you are a total
newbie. Some of them you can find listed
reate an Rfc, and start the
process to make creation of new user accounts non-public information.
Den fre. 26. jan. 2018, 03.04 skrev Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
you are not "exposing the user unknowingly visiting the site" with the bot
you are not "exposing the user unknowingly visiting the site" with the bot
itself...when you visit the site you are integrated in the SUL, it's public
information since ages. The fact that a bot takes care of it or a human being
leaves a message does not tell you a lot more. Sometimes on
There are a lot of SUL issues that are waiting to be addressed. One for example
is the definition of what is not "appropriate" as a name. Another one is a
centralized interface for preferences, a third one is a centralized management
of key user information, a forth one is the possibility to
What are the good reason to be poaranoid? The only reason I ever heard is "is
making me waste time", usually expressed wasting more time.
BTW, after years of SUL most of the old time users have received a lot of
welcome messages and they receive usually two new ones per year, no more in my
Some reactions to welcome bot or welcomes are a little bit "exaggerated"
sometimes. it's just a small red color spot in a corner. Two seconds to process
it, more time to complain about it.
I study user activities and sometimes I leave welcome messages here and there.
99.5% of the time is
I'd like to put a picture of me on such CV but even if this is voluntary that's
usually the point when 4 or 5 users (mostly old-timers) write something like
"we are not facebook" (or similar) and say they agree with themselves.
I wish I could do it myself, repeating standardized sentences as a
We could start plant trees at the conferences. it's also a nice social event.
You can ask people who enroll if they want to pay the cost of a tree (you know
CO2 footprint of a plane) and than they can plant it, with a picture.
And you can also put a bed of organic residues of food left overs
I am interested, I'll have free time right after February so why not? I speak 4
or 5 languages fluently, that should help too.
Plus, i wanted to there but not to present any material, so this is a great
opportunity to take active part to the event in any case.
Il Sabato 14 Ottobre 2017 11:32, Nurunnaby Hasive ha
Congratulations Malaysia User Group!
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 5:13 AM, Kirill Lokshin
> Hi everyone!
> I'm very happy to announce that the
I worked in France some years ago, and I had the feeling that in my experience
allegations of harassment were more common there than in other countries. At
least in the tertiary sector.
My idea is that instead of fixing the disfunctionalities of the working
environment (which in France seemed
pattern is true for many awards and, it is an
accepted consequence of the Wikidata notability policy. These are in effect red
links in a Wikipedia.
On 27 September 2017 at 05:08, Alessandro Marchetti <alexmar...@yahoo.it> wrote:
Personally, I think that if pe
Personally, I think that if person has an ID on some databases, than it can
stay on wikidata. Once in a while some database can be removed if issues are
pointed out about their accuracy, but if a database is sound and professional,
we should use it to fix an item. it could be the same for a
Proposal #1... the point is that with an effective average of 15 posts from
some profile, someone still complains, IMHO it is fine, standard fluctuation.
You should reduce drastically only if the majority of people complain, that is
not the case so far. So if you want to give amessage you can
I wanted to suggest the same, you read my mind...
Il Domenica 20 Agosto 2017 1:10, Andy Mabbett
Those of you running Windows 10 will be familiar with the
regularly-changing "lockscreen" images showing things like beautiful
scenery and scenes from
About Louise, IMHO if you care about someone who has recently died, you should
dedicate a whole separated email to the topic.
Of course, if I had specifically any feeling that a mail will be at the center
of a critical discussion, I would not put any reference to a dead person right
I am quite sure that similar initiatives were done in the past, maybe in...
Greece? i have some memories of a grant of 2 years ago. it was something with
special kids (or seniors?) or in a school or a special structure. Look in the
grant pages on meta when you have time.
That's not the only
IMHO, it is the consequence of the lack of a clear storage policy for medias
and files. Commons is not structured (yet), Wikisource is fragmented in many
languages and that's one of the side effect.
The same problem apply also for the information on epigraphy or plates for
example. Or ancient
So we are talking about dead/small projects now?
I work on many of them and I think that what WMF is mainly rationalization.
It's not about just turning them off but merging, interacting or rebranding
many times. IMHO. The problem are both the few user active on them which are
proud and they
These are data for English wikipedia, right?
You should compare the whole platforms. That's because bilingualism is
increasing in many countries but not in the same direction. For example Italian
students foreign language skills drastically increased over the last 10 years,
so they edit also on
ividual mailman list page shows the email address of all the list
> admins near the bottom:
> "XYZ list run by ADM1 at email.com, ADM2 at email.com"
> On 09/02/2017 05:48, Alessandro Mar
Hi,is there a link where a generic subscriber can find a ("decently" updated)
list of sysops? in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration
I find no specific information about that. Is this on purpose?
Also how can we know what are their "usual time zones" if we want a profile
it was time. Good luck.
Il Martedì 10 Gennaio 2017 4:59, Gnangarra ha scritto:
This is great news and look forward to seeing some good outcomes.
I have a concern around the use of language as most people english a very
dynamic language and what can hav eone meaning
a lot of information that could be provided for and by people who
> are interested in trivia (I am not using the term derogatively - just
> couldn’t think of a better one).
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikim
could be provided for and by people who are
interested in trivia (I am not using the term derogatively - just couldn’t
think of a better one).
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
I agree with Anders. About the issue of weak/bad/irrelevant/border-line content
management. I don't care about that specific project although I do support
plurality in any case.
But "not wasting" material and HRs is a key issue. For all platforms. At the
moment I would strongly encourage at
Should the very first step be contacting the person involved? Maybe even if
this last attempt of private moderation fails, you can both agree that
discussing in public about the problem is no problem for him/her.
Il Martedì 26 Luglio 2016 10:40, Tomasz Ganicz ha
I agree about the meta discussion, but maybe not just about this account. It is
an issue for all platform-related web accounts, in the end. If there is nothing
else that page would be kinda of a "precedent" of the issue at meta level. I
have been trying to learn more about it actually, but I
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