Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-07-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > We just won a major victory in our battle to keep the internet free [...] Our > established positions are > against corporate interests. When the Guardian reported[1] on the recent European copyright campaign, as supported by Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On traceability and reliability of data we publish [was Re: [Wikidata] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata]

2018-07-10 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Hi Roger / Alphos, On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:01 PM, Alphos OGame wrote: > Traceability of information does not pertain with who imported said > information on Wikidata. Could be an unregistered user, could be a bot, > could be a Wikimedian in residence or even the Pope himself, it doesn't >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-07-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: > I have no dog in this race, but facts are not eligible for copyright > protection. > > Martijn, individual facts aren't eligible for copyright, but substantial compilations of facts are. The concept you are missing is "database rights":

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-07-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:54 AM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > Gnom1 on Phabricator has offered to actually answer legal questions, but we > need to come up with the questions that we want to ask. > > In the Phabricator discussion, Denny and others spent some considerable effort to come up with the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata and CC0 [was Re: what made me happy this week]

2017-10-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Hi, Here are a few places where the choice of CC0 for Wikidata was discussed: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata#Is_CC_the_right_license_for_data.3F https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2012-12-18a

[Wikimedia-l] Berkman Klein Center: Will Wikipedia exist in 20 years?

2017-10-21 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Video featuring Katherine Maher, Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, in conversation with Harvard Law School Professor Yochai Benkler: https://cyber.harvard.edu/events/2017/luncheon/10/Maher The material in this video touches on many points related to the Wikimedia movement's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-20 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Hi Katherine, On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Katherine Maher wrote: > 2017-10-09 17:44 GMT-07:00 Erik Moeller : > > > > With an eye to 2030 and WMF's long-term direction, I do think it's > > worth thinking about Wikidata's centrality, and I would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-20 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Hi Erik, More good points here. On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > > With regard to the issue of citations, it's worth noting that it's > already possible to _conditionally_ load data from Wikidata, excluding > information that is unsourced or only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

2017-10-20 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 12:21 AM, Emeric VALLESPI wrote: > Katherine, > > [...] > The lawyers you have appointed have been paid by the Foundation. They > *only* interviewed the defendant. Is this true? Because if what Emeric and Remi say is in fact true, it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-10 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Hi Erik, Really meaty post. Great stuff. Comments below. On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:44 AM, Erik Moeller <eloque...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > ... and it will all become one free mush everyone cop

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-10 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:43 AM, James Salsman wrote: > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Leinonen Teemu > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > This is super interesting and important discussion. One idea. > > > >> On 10 Oct 2017, at 3.44, Erik Moeller

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Hi Erik, Nice to hear from you. On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > > The power of an open, nonprofit approach to "knowledge as a service" > is precisely to democratize access to knowledge graph information: to > make it available to nonprofits, public

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Hello Joseph, > > We must distinguish between the community, the movement and partners of the > movement. > > The Wikimedia movement is not a community, it consists of several > communities. Such as the community of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

2017-08-25 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Sam, On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Sam Wilson wrote: > Peter, > > Fair enough, I agree that the idea that Wikimedia would have been a > success if it'd be made commercial is crazy. You say that now, but originally, Wikipedia was registered as a dotcom, with the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-08-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
make sure to circle back with you once we have an > update. > > All the best, > Adele > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote: > > > > > > > Am 27.07.2017 um 18:37 schrieb Andreas Kolbe: > > > > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
bers? > > Kind regards > > > On 04/08/2017 17:32, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > >> Ilario, >> >> A few years ago, WMUK was required to undergo an independent governance >> review. The review was jointly commissioned by WMUK and WMF. The results >> were pu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Ilario, A few years ago, WMUK was required to undergo an independent governance review. The review was jointly commissioned by WMUK and WMF. The results were public.[1] That option is available for WMFR today just as it was available for WMUK a few years ago. Andreas [1]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-31 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Some further thoughts on this thread while we wait for Adele to come back to us. According to Statista,[1] the worldwide market for virtual digital assistants is expected to grow from $1.64 billion in 2015 to $15.79 billion by 2021. That's a tenfold increase over six years. Digital assistants

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > The current (full) answer is > > 'Edward Joseph "Ed" Snowden, the American computer professional former > CIA employee, and government contractor who leaked classified > information from the U.S. National Security Agency in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Hi Cristian, In both cases, they may be within the realm of the "right to quote"[2] > (I am not sure this concept exists in US law per se) or "fair use". > I haven't checked the accuracy of the "Right to quote" Wikipedia article you referenced, but I will note here that it mentions the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Simon, If you look at the comments under Barbara's piece, Greg linked to this YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZurOYgQLT44 I had a look at that video before posting here. (I think it's kind of a daft video, but it does a perfectly good job of demonstrating how the Echo works.) In

[Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-07-26 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Barbara Page, a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar and Wikipedian in Residence at the University of Pittsburgh, has written a blog post[1] for Wikipediocracy about how the Amazon Echo's Alexa assistant reads out Wikipedia articles in response to queries. This includes queries that do not specifically ask

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Publicpolicy] Wikimedia Sverige vs. the Visual Copyright Society in Sweden (BUS)

2017-07-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
I thought that case was lost over a year ago, in the Swedish Supreme Court: http://fortune.com/2016/04/05/wikimedia-sweden-artworks/ What happened between then and now for this to end up in the Swedish Patent and Market Court? Andreas On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Philippe Beaudette

[Wikimedia-l] 2014–16 audit of the WMF communications strategy

2017-07-06 Thread Andreas Kolbe
For the past couple of days, there has been a discussion[1] of the 2014–16 audit of the WMF communications strategy[2] and the associated recommendations for WMF messaging in the Wikipedia Weekly Facebook group. The audit was performed by, or in collaboration with, political consultants

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Katherine Maher is making me happy this week

2017-06-09 Thread Andreas Kolbe
In the spirit of this thread— Pine's question about project-based accounting[1] made me look for the first time in a while at the Foundation's most recent Annual Plan[2] and the related mid-year check-in[3]. I was surprised and delighted by how much better – how much more readable, easier to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2015-2016 now on-wiki

2017-05-25 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > Andreas, > Page 52 reports that Moeller received $208,306 in severance: that seems to > be a year's salary. There is no stated reason for the payment. > > "Rogol" > Thank you. As you say, page 52 informs us

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2015-2016 now on-wiki

2017-05-25 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Tony Le wrote: > A notable exception is information related to the > compensation of our officers, key employees, highest paid staff and > independent contractors, which is instead based on the 2015 calendar year. > Thank you. I have two

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-06 Thread Andreas Kolbe
People usually encounter images in Wikipedia, and Wikipedia does not comply with the CC licence requirements either, the way downstream re-users are expected to comply with them. That's a problem. For example, the CC BY 3.0 licence requires re-users to name the image's author, and much else

Re: [Wikimedia-l] March 2: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#9)

2017-03-06 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Could anyone name major donors or consultants to the Wikimedia Foundation who are associated with, or open supporters of, – 1. the United States' Republican party? 2. a major conservative, or at least slightly right-of-centre, party in any other country? On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Amir E.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising - Social Media Update

2016-12-15 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Seddon, Katherine, I am sure the fundraising team has done excellent work. And the public have been very generous – the Wikimedia Foundation's annual revenue has hit a new record every year throughout its existence, rising from humble beginnings in 2003/2004 to $15 million by 2009/2010 and to $82

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early Update - Fundraising

2016-12-09 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Good article on Wikimedia fundraising: http://associationsnow.com/2016/12/lessons-wikipedias-annual-donation-strategy/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early Update - Fundraising

2016-12-09 Thread Andreas Kolbe
l for our online > campaigns. This is one factor that increases the difference between the > December totals and the December goal for online fundraising. Last year we > also decided to use the online fundraiser to help seed the endowment which > added $5million to our to our fundraising f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early Update - Fundraising

2016-12-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
ined) but it would seem that > numbers in the frdata dump are only useful as a rough guide. > > We are basing our numbers on internal accounting figures which is more > representative of the actual cash flow since it is more closely based on > actual cleared payments. > > S

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early Update - Fundraising

2016-12-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
People can follow progress of the fundraiser by loading the spreadsheet files provided here: https://frdata.wikimedia.org/ At the time of writing, the data in yeardata-day-vs-sum.csv Total amount received per day (not taking into account

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clarifications on 2014 Form 990

2016-06-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:50 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Patricio Lorente wrote: > >We’ve heard your questions and want to address them broadly, as well as > >provide more information about the breakdown of Sue’s compensation during > >this time. > > Thank you for this e-mail. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Board update

2016-05-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > Regarding the community seat, I am in conversation with the Election > Committee, which has narrowed it down to just a few options. We are going > to finish this discussion soon and I expect the timeline to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should the board do *now*? [was Re: Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal]

2016-05-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Luis Villa wrote: >- After I left, I did not sign a termination or contracting agreement >with the organization, so I did not become a contractor with the >organization. > Thanks, Luis. >- My baby was due yesterday, so I probably

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

2016-05-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:00 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > I used the phrase "run amok" based on comments at > . Specifically, > Brion Vibber writes: > > "Former VP of Engineering Damon Sicore, who as far as I know conceived the >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] “For Cause”

2016-05-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:09 AM, James Heilman wrote: > In a Dec 30th, 2015 personal email JW touched on two potential reasons but > they are unfounded. I've lost count of the number of times Jimmy Wales said in recent months that he would know "within a few days" whether it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] election for 2 seats on WMF board of trustees ends May 7...

2016-05-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Lane Rasberry wrote: > Hello, > > As of now, 13 of 42 eligible organizations have voted in the 2016 chapters' > election for 2 of 10 Wikimedia Foundation seats on the board of trustees. > Lane, A procedural question: Is the chapters'

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

2016-05-02 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > The formal task force was created end of October. This task force involved > outside legal counsel and conducted professional fact finding. > What were the prime motivations for involving outside legal counsel, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Media Websites Battle Faltering Ad Revenue and Traffic"

2016-04-18 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Thanks, Pine. Some stand-out quotes from the article: *85 cents of every new dollar spent in online advertising will go to Google or Facebook, said Brian Nowak, a Morgan Stanley analyst.* *Facebook also announced that it would open up Instant Articles — which encourage publishers to post

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-04-17 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On March 21, Jimmy posted excerpts from an email conversation he'd had with James Heilman on his Wikipedia user talk page, making further allegations against James.[1] James replied twice: Jimmy Wales' summary above of our email correspondence is far from complete, and is not an accurate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Sweden loses copyright suit

2016-04-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
<lilbu...@tygers-of-wrath.net> > wrote: > >> Its not "a large-scale online database" per se. Its the commercial aspect >> of it that is at issue. >> >> >> On 05/04/2016 19:06, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >> >>> Report in Th

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Sweden loses copyright suit

2016-04-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Report in The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/05/wikimedias-free-photo-database-of-artworks-violates-copyright-court-rules Wikimedia Sweden press release:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] any open search engine for web project starting

2016-03-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Dan, I understand you are currently only working on internal search, representing stage 1 of this project. But does the long-term vision of the subsequent stages still include things like – 1. incorporation of non-Wikimedia sources in search results, 2. an open source knowledge engine like IBM's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

2016-03-23 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Motherboard today has a fairly comprehensive report on this: Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems With Digital Colonialism http://motherboard.vice.com/read/wikipedia-zero-facebook-free-basics-angola-pirates-zero-rating On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Mwaoshe Njemah

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:13 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:51 AM, SarahSV wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:42 PM, John Mark Vandenberg > > wrote: > >> Are we still waiting for Jimmy to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

2016-03-14 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Luis, The original announcement of your departure[1], posted on Feb. 8, said, Quote: "Later this month, Luis will transition out of his current position with the Wikimedia Foundation to pursue other opportunities. He will remain in a consulting role with the Foundation over the next few months,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

2016-03-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
eplaced. > > Risker/Anne > > On 12 March 2016 at 21:09, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On March 1, Jimmy Wales wrote:[1] > > > > things like standard boilerplate language to be signed by > > > all employees doesn't strike me as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
icence has the potential of obscuring the origin of the data, cutting the very feedback loop your argument relies on for a substantial subset of end users. Andreas On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 1:57 PM, David Cuenca Tudela <dacu...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Andreas Kolbe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
2015-12-02/Op-ed [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Klee-Irwin.gif [3] http://www.newsweek.com/2015/04/03/manipulating-wikipedia-promote-bogus-business-school-316133.html [4] https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/969531789761319/ > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:56 PM Andr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-09 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > One unhealthy cycle that I think we've gotten into is what I would call > "Kremlinology". > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kremlinology > > The cycle looks like this: > - the board doesn't share enough, so people are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:24 PM, jytdog wrote: > Pierre that is exactly what I struggle with. You are saying that throwing > integrity out the window in the name of politics is OK. I am saying it is > absolutely not OK. The individuals representing the board should have been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board

2016-03-02 Thread Andreas Kolbe
unch-internet-ownership-project [5] http://hetq.am/eng/news/65992/armentel-$500-million-swindle-employees-phone-messages-monitored.html [6] http://www.eurasianet.org/node/72831 On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2 March 2016 at 23:15, Andreas Kolbe <jayen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board

2016-03-02 Thread Andreas Kolbe
gt; > [1] let us remember countries in the west struggle with tremendous > corruption too, albeit manifested more financially than ideologically. > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Cristian Consonni <kikkocrist...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > 2016-03-03 0:15 GMT+01:0

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board

2016-03-02 Thread Andreas Kolbe
wrote: > 2016-03-03 0:15 GMT+01:00 Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com>: > > I don't know Susanna, and in fact until yesterday had never heard of her. > > She may well be a delightful and charming person with a genuine > enthusiasm > > for open knowledge. There ar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board

2016-03-02 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > Susanna is (or was) a researcher, and every researcher in Armenia is a > state employee. There are just no non-governmental organizations who employ > researchers. > > I do think there is a problem with a potential

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board

2016-03-02 Thread Andreas Kolbe
A number of nominations have now come in for the affiliate-selected board seats.[1] One of the people who have put their names forward to date is Susanna Mkrtchyan of Wikimedia Armenia. In her nomination statement[2] Susanna refers to the 2014 "One Armenian, one Article" Wikipedia campaign. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-03-02 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > We should not use off-list messages to convey thoughts that would be > completely unacceptable if said in public. I don't want to be involved in > stuff like that -- and I'd much rather it didn't happen to begin with. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-03-01 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > > Anne, I have mentioned several times in the past few days here on this > list > > Sue Gardner's 2008 email suggesting that the WMF enter into an "umbrella > > relationship/agreement" or "business deal" with Google. In

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Risker wrote: > > So please, let's stop pretending those two words mean the same thing. > They don't mean the same thing at all. But would you really dispute the statement that WMF leaders should be both transparent AND honest?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Chris Keating wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > **To that end, the Board remains unanimously committed in > > our support of Lila in her role** and in her efforts to adapt her > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > So my concern is not that you lost touch with staff. I don't > particularly care about any one person. My concern is that the *board* > did. My concern is that when staff reached out the Board replied with > a letter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Here is what I don't understand: both Dariusz and James have said that > they > > pushed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > And there are things in the FAQs even today, like the plans for "public > curation or relevance",[1][2] that are of material interest to volunteers, > because they are the ones envisa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > We went back and forth in pleasant emails discussing the situation and > as a part of that I said: "I am always in favor of more community > consultation." I went on to discuss a bit that I didn't think we were > at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Jimmy Wales <jimmywa...@wikia-inc.com> wrote: > On 2/29/16 7:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > A few days ago, Oliver Keyes said[1] here on this list that, even though > he > > had already quit his job, he was scared to share with people the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > Intimidation about speaking up is a terrible and perverse thing to > happen in any organization. If that's a feeling that the organization > has had, I want to put forward the idea that it's over. If I were >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Pete, According to his Signpost piece three weeks ago[1], James Heilman emailed the board in mid-October about the Knight Foundation grant to warn the board, and I quote – *"4) There is a serious lack of transparency around this new "sister project". This has not been discussed with our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
bout compatibility work that helps users, then I > think that's part of our job to do. If talking about making search engines, > they can and do just do it themselves without our involvement. > > -- brion > > > > > On Monday, 29 February 2016, Brion Vibber

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > > What non-hypothetical work are you referring to? > > {{cn}} > > -- brion > Brion, You tell me. :) For what it's worth, Jimmy Wales has said in this thread today, ---o0o--- On the very specific topic of donor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
about whether that's in the form of > "self-financing cottage industries" or a "separate for-profit arm" or > within the current engineering organization. I can see arguments for > any of those. > > > > > On 2/28/16 8:02 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Jimmy Wales <jimmywa...@ymail.com> wrote: > On 2/28/16 6:48 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > I think it is far more likely that if the board is conducting its > business > > in a non-transparent manner, and has done for a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: We COULD outsource most of our tech (I'm not supporting this, I'm just > giving perspective). > One thing I've been wondering about of late is how much donor-funded the work the WMF is doing that is primarily

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Erik, I have too many times read appeals to do something later, because now is not a good time, or to move discussion to a sub-page, because it's too big a topic, and so forth. Invariably the result was that *nothing ever happened*. Chris Sherlock is absolutely right that the board's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Sherlock <chris.sherloc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 28 Feb 2016, at 2:25 PM, Chris Sherlock <chris.sherloc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > >> On 28 Feb 2016, at 1:16 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> On Sat,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Anna, That too is largely due to volunteers. In early February 2002 for example, Jimmy spoke of putting advertising on Wikipedia, saying on the Wikipedia-l mailing list:[1][2] ---o0o--- However, with the ongoing hard times in the Internet economy, we do anticipate adding some forms of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Anna Stillwell wrote: > Jimmy, > > I have a ridiculous amount of respect for you and what you have > accomplished. I have watched from afar (I was living a lot in other > countries) as this radical experiment in trust *exploded* on to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Well, Jimmy Wales has said here in this discussion that he is "continuing to push for more disclosure and more openness." Maybe he'll be so kind as to tell you now that you can publish that NDA here on this list without fear of repercussions. I think we all agree that kind of fear should have no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > > Diplomacy requires talking to your enemies as well as your friends. (And in > the real world, we are rarely all one or the other.) > > -- brion Yes, that I can see, and well said. Andreas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Brion, I understand you and Jimmy Wales go way, way back. But what is the point of "coming together" with someone who, just hours before the Knowledge Engine grant agreement was released, insisted, ---o0o--- 'To make this very clear: no one in top positions has proposed or is proposing that WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

2016-02-23 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:21 PM, Matthew Flaschen <mflasc...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > On 02/21/2016 11:03 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > >> So, if you speak of structurally connecting *open* sources, as a basis for >> smart editing tools, you seem to be saying that such c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-23 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl> wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> (1) The most compelling arguments in favour of having appointees as >> vo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Post mortems (second attempt)

2016-02-21 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:42 AM, SarahSV wrote: > That was literally the first time we felt we were being listened to. There > was one point when Flow was introduced – and I have been trying to find > this diff but can't – where there was something on the talk page that >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

2016-02-21 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Lila Tretikov wrote: > When we started, the open knowledge on Wikipedia was a large piece of the > internet. Today, we have an opportunity to be the door into the whole > ecosystem of open knowledge by: > > >- scaling knowledge (by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-21 Thread Andreas Kolbe
> > > > > > > I am happy to talk to Signpost on-record about anything that has been > > > happening under my watch to minimize misinterpretations of second-hand > > > reports or further conjectures. > > > > > > Lila > > > > > > On Sa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-20 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 10:56 PM, Anthony Cole wrote: > Lila should have taken the community along with her as the Knowledge Engine > project was evolving. I don't know what was behind her reticence. I presume > an element was unwillingness to announce a thing while the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-15 Thread Andreas Kolbe
reas On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 12:33 AM, Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net> wrote: > > > On 16 Feb 2016, at 00:26, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Here is another such example. Jimmy Wales has tonight told[1] a volunteer > > > > ---o0o---

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-15 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Here is another such example. Jimmy Wales has tonight told[1] a volunteer ---o0o--- First the idea that Wikidata could be used to "construct articles" with "no need for editors to edit actual article content" is pretty absurd from a technological point of view. Major breakthroughs in AI would be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-09 Thread Andreas Kolbe
More on this from James Heilman and others in the current Signpost issue. From the editors: Help wanted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-02-03/From_the_editors In focus: The Knight Foundation grant: a timeline and an email to the board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
I've never understood why corporate appointees like Guy Kawasaki or the just-departed Arnnon Geshuri are voting board members, instead of being on the Advisory Board. The board structure needs to be revised, and brought in line with basic democratic principles. Andreas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of María Sefidari to Wikimedia Foundation Board

2016-01-29 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Another mistake. A lot has happened over the past few weeks. The community should have been given a voice, in light of vast changes in circumstances since last May. María, too, might have felt better about joining the board with a clear endorsement from the community – an endorsement given now,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-01-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Thanks, Anthony. As can be seen from the diff, the discussion at the time went like this: ---o0o--- Given the history, but also the absolute bungling mess and total lack of professionalism that the board has shown since these events, you will find, Jimbo, that there is a significant proportion

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

2016-01-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > Thank you, Arnnon! Indeed. Thank you, Arnnon, and best wishes to you. Given that this matter is concluded, can the board now please come to a decision on whether the Knight Foundation grant letter and grant application

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Fæ wrote: > P.S. How is that nobody can work out who nominated/invited Geshuri for > the trustee position? There can be little doubt that they knew of his > chequered past when they did so. > According to the minutes for the November board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata

2016-01-26 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Pete, On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:33 AM, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote: > Andreas Kolbe has argued in multiple threads that Wikidata is fundamentally > problematic, on the basis that it does not require citations. (Please > correct me if I am mistaken about this core

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-26 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > Eh, wrong link ... > http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/01/wikipedia-20-error-rate.html > > On 25 January 2016 at 17:29, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-26 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > You want to compare it to the Reasonator item. It has all the right links > for 43 award winners. That is 100% I did not have problems telling > Wikipedians that there link was wrong. The information is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-25 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Magnus Manske wrote: > What you hear is "Wikidata is unreliable" (compared to the respective > Wikipedia; proof, anyone? Please, show me proof; silence or anecdotes don't > count) Any non-trivial content you want to add to

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