[Wikimedia-l] Re: Feedback requested on draft updated Wikimedia Foundation Conflict of Interest Policy

2021-11-01 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 13:00, Amanda Keton  wrote:

> The Wikimedia Foundation legal team has posted a draft of an updated conflict 
> of interest policy on Meta-Wiki:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest_policy/2021_updates
>
> We are collecting feedback on the policy for the next three weeks: today 
> until 22 November.

Is there a version which highlights the changes from the current policy?

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

2021-10-27 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 13:59, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

>> > Not sure that duplicating the work of a range of screen readers is the
>> > best use of our resources.
>>
>> I agree; such functionality belongs in the user client (screen reader,
>> browser, whatever), not in the subject website.
>
> an excerpt from the marketing text

As a professional web manager (1994-2011), I had companies trying to
sell me such services regularly. And why wouldn't they, given the
number of websites they could sell it to, over, and over, and over,
again?

Equally consistently, people who /needed/ such assistance told us they
wanted it in the client, not the website; and that all they required
of the websites was to be web-standards-complaint (by which they meant
WCAG[1]).


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Content_Accessibility_Guidelines

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

2021-10-27 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 09:57, geni  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 16:38, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
>  wrote:

> > Create visually interesting cartography
>
> I think open street map got there first.

No; OSM supply data, in order that reusers such as WMF projects can
create their own "visually interesting" map tiles. See, for example:

   https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T289101

> > Hear the articles
>
> Not sure that duplicating the work of a range of screen readers is the
> best use of our resources.

I agree; such functionality belongs in the user client (screen reader,
browser, whatever), not in the subject website.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikitech-l] Toolhub 1.0 is launched! Discover software tools used at Wikimedia

2021-10-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 15:58, Birgit Müller  wrote:

> We are happy to announce the launch of Toolhub – a community-authored 
> catalogue that aims to make software tools used in the Wikimedia movement 
> discoverable to everyone.

Is this tool linked to, or using, Wikidata? I can't see where.

For example, the entry for WikiShootMe is:

   https://toolhub.wikimedia.org/tools/mm_wikishootme

which has a corresponding Wikidata item:

   https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q26964791

Note that the former has no screenshot image, but Wikidata does; the
QID is not shown on the Toolhub page.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees new resolution on branding

2021-10-16 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 22:49, Zack McCune  wrote:

> new work will be undertaken to develop short phrases ("taglines") that 
> affiliates can
> use optionally to show connection to the Movement or to specific projects. 
> These
> taglines might be phrases like (for example) "part of the Wikimedia Movement"
> or "supporting Wikipedia in Nigeria" that enable partners, press, and members 
> of
> the public to better understand an affiliate's work.

Can they not do that already?

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: (How) can I see the early revision history?

2021-10-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 01:57, Denny Vrandečić  wrote:
>
> I wanted to see the beginning of the article about Jupiter.

> I expect more history to be in the UseMod archives.

There is a bug in the history of older articles. I raised a ticket:

   https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T292869

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: About raising money

2021-09-26 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sun, 26 Sept 2021 at 16:32, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> I have asked before who sets these "required" amounts, and who directs staff
> to continue fundraising well after publicised targets are met. I have not 
> received
> a straight answer. Where, please, does the buck, literally, stop? Who has the 
> final word?

How can the latter be anyone but the board?

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Endowment reaches initial $100 million goal and welcomes new board members

2021-09-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, 23 Sept 2021 at 19:27, The Cunctator  wrote:

> It's really disappointing to me that the Structured Data work has been used 
> to blow up Wikipedia's copyleft.

1. Your message has nothing to do with the endowment

2. You offer no evidence that "the Structured Data work has been used
to blow up Wikipedia's copyleft."

3. You do not explain what you mean by "blow up Wikipedia's copyleft."

If you wish to discuss copyright and/or structured data, please start
a new thread; and be clear there about the point you wish to make.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Results for the most contended Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election

2021-09-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sat, 11 Sept 2021 at 16:45, Leo Z  wrote:

> Hope this clear some of your confusion.

Which confusion would that be?

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Results for the most contended Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election

2021-09-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 19:16, Tito Dutta  wrote:

> My good wishes to all the newly selected board members of Wikimedia 
> Foundation.

AIUI, they are not yet board members, nor are they guaranteed to be.
The Trust's bylaws[1] state, at Article IV, Section 3(C) (my
**emphasis**):

   (iii) The Board will appoint candidates who are **nominated**
through this process, subject to Article IV, Section 3(A), and other
provisions of these Bylaws. In the event that a candidate is selected
who does not meet the requirements of Article IV, Section 3(A) or
other requirements of these Bylaws, or of applicable state or federal
law, the Board will (a) **not appoint the candidate**, (b) declare a
vacancy on the Board, and (c) fill the resulting vacancy, subject to
this Section 3 and to Article IV, Section 6 below.

while Article IV, Section 3(A) says:

   (i) The Board shall be composed of Trustees with a diverse set of
talents, experience, backgrounds, and competencies that will best
fulfill the mission and needs of the Foundation, **as determined by
the Board**. The Board is committed to promoting diversity and
inclusion both in terms of trustee composition and in other aspects of
its work.

Together, these seem to give the Board the option to "determine" that
the "nominated" individuals would not create a board with "a diverse
set of talents, experience, backgrounds, and competencies" and to
reject one or more of them.

Furthermore, it seems to make a lie of the claim [2] that "Members of
the Wikimedia community have the opportunity to elect four candidates
to a three-year term.", if, in fact, we merely "nominate" people for
the Board to consider.

I'd like to think I'm wrong. Can anyone show me how I am?


[1] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bylaws

[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Welcoming the first round of grants from the Equity Fund

2021-09-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 8 Sept 2021 at 15:09, Lisa Gruwell  wrote:

> We are excited to share that we have chosen the first round of grantees for
> the Knowledge Equity Fund pilot. The Equity Fund Committee selected six
> grantees across the Middle East, Africa, and North and South America who
> focus on issues of access, education and equity within the regions they
> support.

The press release [1] mentioned further down the thread lists:

* Arab Reporters for Investigative Journalism (ARIJ), Jordan ($250,000):
* Borealis Philanthropy’s Racial Equity in Journalism Fund, United
States ($250,000)
* Howard University School of Law and the Institute for Intellectual
Property and Social Justice (IIPSJ), United States ($260,000):
* InternetLab, Brazil ($200,000)
* Media Foundation for West Africa (MFWA), Ghana ($150,000)
* STEM en Route to Change (SeRCH) Foundation, United States ($250,000)

so three of the six recipients  - receiving $760,000 of $1,360,000; or
more than half - are in the United States.


[1] 
https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2021/09/08/wikimedia-foundation-announces-first-grant-recipients-of-new-4-5-million-equity-fund/

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Conflict of Interest - Transition from Trustee to Staff

2021-06-29 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 20:58, Chris Keating  wrote:

> Mistakes will always be made where human judgement is involved, but it seems
> that this one is being remedied and learned from both quickly and openly.

For those of us not on the call; how so?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moving Wikimania 20201 to a Virtual Event

2021-02-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021, 14:02 Janeen Uzzell,  wrote:

> Moving Wikimania 20201 to a Virtual Event

Good to see you're taking the long view...

;-)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New collaboration with the World Health Organization

2020-10-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 at 14:32, Jorge Vargas  wrote:

> we are excited to announce a new collaboration between the Wikimedia 
> Foundation and the World Health Organization (WHO).

This is great news, albeit long overdue on the WHO's part.

>  
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:World_Health_Organization_COVID-19_Disinformation_Infographics

On a more practical level, I have marked all those images, and the
WHO's other recent uploads, in:

   
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Graphics_produced_by_World_Health_Organization

with {{do not crop}}, and added categories where I can. May I ask
other people to assist in the latter process, especially for files
using non-English texts?

I'm also marking the file pages as patrolled, whenever I edit them -
again, this needs more hands.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 20:06, Dan Szymborski  wrote:

> The only tiniest shred of direct accountability on the board, the community
> board elections
[...]

They're not elections; we get to vote on nominations, the board decide
whether to accept them.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 21:50, ktsquare  wrote:

>> they must report this to AN/I

> What is AN/I

   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 21:43, Chris Sherlock  wrote:

> I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is concerned about being
> sexually harassed they must report this to AN/I and there are no private
> mechanisms to report this sort of thing.
>
> Is this for real?

Not according to:

   https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Harassment

and particularly:

   
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Harassment#Contact_the_Foundation%E2%80%99s_Trust_and_Safety_team


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 23:29, Nathan  wrote:
>
> Tomasz notes, correctly, that OTRS agents on *general
> info queues* (which he distinguished from permission queues) just answer
> questions, they don't exercise authority. Andy's reply is both
> argumentative and inaccurate.

Mea culpa. In the initial discussion on Wikidata, and in the
discussion on the OTRS noticeboard on Commons, we were told, more than
once, by OTRS agents, that the images had been sent to "OTRS
photo-submissions". I assumed that a "photo-submissions" queue was a
form of "general info queue", since it is distinct from a permissions
queue.

For that, my apologies to Tomasz.

> Tomasz could easily be on-side for genuine
> reform. He's an insider at OTRS who acknowledges room for improvement. But
> it wouldn't surprise me if this response converts him to an opponent.

I'd like to think I know Tomasz well enough - having met him several
times, including being his guest in Warsaw - to know he's not that
fickle.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 05:04, Gnangarra  wrote:

> This page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS answers some the questions
> including a list of OTRS administrators

I don't think it fully answers any of the ten questions discussed in
this thread.

For example, while it has a list of OTRS administrators it does not -
unlike say, the pages about amins on en.Wikipedia or Commons - say
what the role of those admins is, or what limits are placed on their
actions, It does not say who appoints them (or who can un-appoint
them), or to what policies they must adhere. And it does not tell us
who else might have access to the same or higher (c/f 'crats) levels
of admin permissions that they have.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 10:01, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:

> I guess - Andy's main concern is about permission queues on Commons, as the
> trigger for his question was a case on Commons.

I have already stated that this assumption is false, when someone else
made it in this very thread.

> In fact - OTRS agents answering questions for general info queues have no
> special power - I mean they do not make any "secretive" decisions

But they do; and we know that they do. The specific case to which you
refer above occurred when an OS agen declined to accept multiple
in-scope photographs, from multiple correspondents, sent at the
request of Wikidata editors, to OTRS by non-Wikimdians. This only came
to light because the person who had organised the campaign noticed,
and brought it to the attention of Wikidata editors, on Wikidata.

Nonetheless, that specific case led to general questions. about how
ORS operates across our movement.

And note that not one of the ten questions I referred to at the top of
this thread mentones any specific case.

> Add to this that
> there is a constant shortage of the active OTRS agents

Perhaps one of the reasons for this is the lack of transparency about
how OTRS operates?

> If you want to be
> an OTRS agent - just put your name on OTRS page on meta - ask some of your
> friends on your local wiki to endorse you and one of the OTRS admins simply
> checks if your edit history is OK (not too short and with no signs that you
> have a tendency to be in constant conflict with your fellow Wikipedians)
> and that's it... It really does not need any extra  regulations, as it
> works as it is now.

You say "one of the OTRS admins simply checks if your edit history is
OK...", but nowhere is that documented publicly as the process that is
followed.

Furthermore, anecdotal evidence also suggests that that is not all
that there is to the process.

One of the other questions that remains unanswered is how the people
who conduct this process are themselves appointed and overseen.

> How it is practically screened has been already answered
> several times, but it is true that the process is not written down clearly

If it is not written down "clearly", show us what is written down in outline.

Why is this so difficult?

> So, maybe - I say maybe - this system needs some sort of reform to make it
> more transparent and public - but do not expect that anyone can write rules
> that may cover every possible case

This is a straw man; no-one is asking for "rules that may cover every
possible case"; and no one is asking for any new rules to be written;
we are asking to see the rules and policies *that already exist*.

> And the system will never be 100% transparent - as
> its idea is to answers E-mails under general WMF privacy policy umbrella.

...and no-one is asking to see anything that falls under the general
WMF privacy policy umbrella; indeed, I have explicitly excluded such
material when describing what I want to see.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Diff – a blog by and for the Wikimedia volunteer community

2020-07-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 12:23, Quim Gil  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
>
> > > > > > What consultation was carried out with contributors, and the
> > > > > > wider the Wikimedia community, to inform this change?
> >
> > Although you quoted it, you seem to have overlooked this question.
>
>
> I aimed to address this question with this answer:
>
> > When we announced Next steps for Wikimedia Space [1] we said that the
> Space blog
> > would continue in a new home

> > [1] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/3184
>
> This is when we informed about this plan (February 18), also on this list.

Yes; you made an announcement. I asked about *consultation*.

> We didn't consult any further

In future, please consult - meaningfully - before making such
significant changes.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-19 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 09:03, effe iets anders  wrote:
>
> I rather have
> that people make their assumptions explicit so that you have an opportunity
> to clarify, and use that as the basis for further conversation.

You seem to be assuming - wrongly - that I have made assumptions which
I have not made explicit.

Ironically, you have not explicitly stated your assumption.

> My reading of this discussion is that there is a lot of 'secrecy' assumed

No secrecy is being assumed. Too much secrecy is being observed.

> where it is probably more a lack of existence of policies in the way Andy
> would like them to exist. This is a known problem with OTRS.

It may well be that some policies that should exist, do not, or are
''de facto'' without being written down. But until we see a
comprehensive list of those that do exist and are written, how can we
know?

> I feel comfortable sharing that the set of OTRS-wide 'policies' that is on
> the wiki, is probably of little interest to this matter.

I am very interested in seeing all those 'policies'; as others have
said they are.

As noted earlier in this thread, I do not see how I could be any more
clear about my wish to see them.

> This is why I
> noted that Jonatan's response could be misleading, because it implies all
> kind of secrecy that doesn't exist.

It stated, not implied, that "the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS
agents sign" prevented him from answering some of the questions asked
on-wiki in February, and quoted at the start of this thread.

> There are actually a few policies
> linked at [[m:OTRS <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS>]], that are
> simply copied there (Access, Activity policies).

That page, and those linked from it, do not answer the questions to
which I have already referred.

> There is some stuff about
> privacy, confidentiality and how to deal with mailing lists. Imho nothing
> that exciting.

Perhaps not exciting to you; but I and others argue that such content
should nonetheless be public. We have been told that OTRS agents are
discussing the matter on their private email and IRC channels, but
then... Nothing.

> OTRS is an immensely diverse system, and I don't think it's helpful to try
> to analyze that with overly broad questions.

I do not accept that questions such as, for example:

   5 how is OTRS overseen, and who by?

   7 what is the process for the community to remove an
  individual's OTRS permissions, if they fail to uphold
  or abide by policy?

   9 which individuals can make someone an OTRS agent,
  or remove their permissions?

   10 how are the individuals in #9 appointed and overseen?

are "overly broad"; but if you think they are, how would you narrow their focus?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 at 17:19, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> Since it seems
> that multiple people are misunderstanding you on this point, I wonder
> whether there's anything you could do to express your views on this point
> more clearly.

Here is the entire post I made to Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard on 27 February:

#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#

We need answers to the following questions (some asked, but not
answered, above, some arising from that discussion):

1. what are OTRS' rules and policies?
2. where are those rules and policies documented, and why are they not public?
3. where are those rules and polices discussed and decided?
4. what is the process for getting those rules and policies changed
(or reworded for clarity)?
5. how is OTRS overseen, and who by?
6. what is the approval process for an individual to become an OTRS agent?
7. what is the process for the community to remove an individual's
OTRS permissions, if they fail to uphold or abide by policy?
8. if an individual has been acting contrary to policy, what is the
process for reviewing and if necessary overturning their past actions
(including contacting and apologising to their correspondents)?
9. which individuals can make someone an OTRS agent, or remove their
permissions?
10. how are the individuals in #9 appointed and overseen?

Clearly, the equivalent for these exists on Commons, and our sister
projects. OTRS agents can not expect to act without equivalent levels
of transparency and accountability, even if individual transactions
are confidential.

#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#

Please tell me which parts of it could be more clear, and how.

You certainly did not seem to be concerned about a lack of clarity in
it, when you replied:

   Excellent list, Andy. I concur... I think it would be very much in
the interests of OTRS
   agents and the Wikimedia movement overall to address this list of
questions in a
   forthright way, and make some adjustments (such as publishing
policies and a process
   for amending policies)

shortly after I posted it.

Or did you have some other unclear post in mind?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 at 02:47, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> We would be better off if
> there were clearly articulated, published policies for OTRS

Indeed.

> I think Andy wants to hold somebody responsible for the
> absence of those things

You are mistaken; and I have complained previously in this thread and
in the on-wiki discussion about other people attempting to ascribe to
me motives or intentions that are not mine.

I am unsure why this happens, why people are so bad at it, or what
purpose it is supposed to achieve.

Please do not do so.

> But I would very much support an effort to draft, review, and publish
> policies and procedures going forward.

This is the wrong order; we /first/ need OTRS (or whoever oversees
OTRS, though five months after asking, we still don't know who that
is, if anyone) to publish its existing policies etc; then we can
review them; then we can, if necessary, draft and propose changes or
additions. And report any instances where OTRS agents are not acting
within them.

> For what it's worth, I was an OTRS agent for several years; but, precisely
> because of the absence of policies

This was presumably historical, because we have been told that there
are (now) polices, but they are (partly, perhaps mostly) on a
non-public wiki.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Diff – a blog by and for the Wikimedia volunteer community

2020-07-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 23:42, Quim Gil  wrote:

> When we announced Next steps for Wikimedia Space [1] we said that the Space
> blog would continue in a new home, and this is exactly what we have done.

It is not exactly what you have done, because you have merged it with
(content from) another blog or blogs.

> In order to identify the posts coming from the
> Wikimedia Blog, the Wikimedia Foundation site or Space, we have attached a
> string of text. Andy, this is why your now imported blog post from 2017 has
> that extra text.

If the aim is to "identify the posts coming from the Wikimedia Blog",
then text saying "This is an archived post from blog.wikimedia.org"
will suffice.

> > > > What consultation was carried out with contributors, and the
> > > > wider the Wikimedia community, to inform this change?

Although you quoted it, you seem to have overlooked this question.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-16 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 00:09, effe iets anders  wrote:
>
> Jonatan: Implying that there's more secrecy than necessary, is unhelpful.

Do you mean to suggest that the current level of secrecy is necessary?

> I
> would dare say that if the policies that Andy is looking for exist (given
> his inquiry he's looking for a specific set), they should and would be
> available on meta.

Apparently they are not, they are on a closed wiki; and so secret.

> If that is not the case, that is more likely due to
> laziness and/or lack of time than by design

I have been asking for them since February.

> so if you know of policies
> where that is not the case, please bring it up internally, ask for
> objections to publish it, and lets rectify.

We were told the matter had been raised on the private OTRS mailing
list, in February, and that "several of us [on the mailing list] want
to be involved in any follow up". Nonetheless, no response from that
discussion has been forthcoming, and neither the editor who said they
had raised it in the mailing list, nor the one who I quote here, has
responded to requests for updates.

> It seems that you're particularly concerned about the Commons/Permissions
> queues.

No; although this originally came to light due to a misapplication of
the policy in relation to Commons, the questions apply to OTRS across
the movement

> I'm not exactly clear on what policies you're looking for

All of them. Every single word of OTRS policy, guideline and
boilerplate, that is not of necessity confidential due to containing
personal information.

> is a bit of a mess - much of OTRS has grown organically. I doubt you
> expected much different.

I expected transparency of the standard common throughout the rest of
our movement.

> the questions are too broadly formulated for a diffuse system like this.

I very strongly disagree. But if we /cannot/ give any answer to
questions like "what are OTRS' rules and policies?" or "how is OTRS
overseen, and who by?", then that would highlight even more serious
issues.


More generally, I note that the discussion on Commons continues:

   
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#Redux%2C_June_2020

albeit with more heat that light, and that accusations about my
motives are now being flung about. Still the questions have not been
answered. Although we have been told, in the last hour or so "we do
not have a process where we monitor what other OTRS volunteers does
[sic]".

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Diff – a blog by and for the Wikimedia volunteer community

2020-07-15 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 at 18:50, Chris Koerner  wrote:

> Diff builds on lessons and  experiences from  the
> Wikimedia Blog, the Wikimedia Foundation News, and Wikimedia Space;
> previous posts from these channels are archived on Diff.

Based on my involvement with the Blog, I've identified some issues...

At the request of the WMF, in 2017 I wrote a blog post, which was
published - after WMF's editorial approval - at:

   https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/11/29/astronaut-spoken-voice/

an independently-archived copy may be found at:

  
https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/11/29/astronaut-spoken-voice/

This has now been republished at:

   https://diff.wikimedia.org/2017/11/29/astronaut-spoken-voice/

to which the original URL has now been redirected.


The new version of the article has  footer, saying:

   Archive notice: This is an archived post from blog.wikimedia.org, and
   as such was written under a different editorial standard than Diff.

I am concerned that this unexplained comment may not reflect well on
me, as the named author.


The new version of my author profile page:

   https://diff.wikimedia.org/author/cap-andy-mabbet/

is missing the thumbnail image for the blog post; compare with the
archived version:

   
https://web.archive.org/web/20191218122440/https://blog.wikimedia.org/author/andy-mabbet/

(the spelling error in the URL has carried over from the original).

> The channel
> is primarily intended for community-authored posts, in which
> volunteers can share their stories, learnings, and ideas with each
> other.

I didn't write the above post simply to share the story with other
volunteers; it was written - I again emphasise, at the WMF's request -
 for a global audience, and presented to the press as such, as part of
a joint publicity initiative with the European Space Agency.

> content on Diff can be written and
> translated into languages to reach a wide audience.

My original post - as can be seen from the banner in the version at
the Internet Archive - was kindly translated into Italian (apt, as the
subject was an Italian Astronaut) and French. The banner containing
the links to those translations is missing from the "Diff" copy.

The original URLs of the italian and French versions:

   https://blog.wikimedia.org/it/2017/11/29/wikipedia-lascia-il-pianeta-terra

   https://blog.wikimedia.org/fr/2017/12/01/wikipedia-quitte-la-planete-terre

now redirect, respectively, to:

   https://diff.wikimedia.org/it/2017/11/29/wikipedia-lascia-il-pianeta-terra

   https://diff.wikimedia.org/fr/2017/12/01/wikipedia-quitte-la-planete-terre

each of which are returning a 404 error.

Several links to the original Italian URL, from the Italian-language
Wikipedia, including those in encyclopedia articles, and two links to
the original French URL on the French-language Wikipedia, are now
broken. Obviously this also applies to any external sites that link to
them, too.

> Still curious to learn more?

Yes: What consultation was carried out with contributors, and the
wider the Wikimedia community, to inform this change?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-10 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 10:05, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:
>
> czw., 9 lip 2020 o 18:53 Andy Mabbett 
> napisał(a):
>
> > On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 07:46, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:
> >
> > > > I’m unable to answer this due to the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS
> > > > agents sign.
> >
> > > Well, please do not create conspiracy theories...
> >
> > It's not a conspiracy theory if there is evidence of a conspiracy.

> What evidence?

* OTRS policies, stored on the OTRS wiki, are not public

* The questions asked in February have still not been answered

*  A post from Jonatan to this list, saying "I'm unable to answer this
due to the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS agents sign."

> General copyright rules, procedures and copyright agreement templates are
> made public in most wikis

Again; that is not what is being asked.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-09 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 07:46, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:

> > I’m unable to answer this due to the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS
> > agents sign.

> Well, please do not create conspiracy theories...

It's not a conspiracy theory if there is evidence of a conspiracy.

> Actually, as far as I understand my role as an OTRS volunteer - there
> are no any special rules for OTRS except some technical, civility
> aspects and confidentiality of mailing with individuals

No special rules, apart from [list of special rules]?

> Regarding privacy issues - OTRS volunteers can be reported to the Ombudsman
> Commission and during my serving in this Commision there were cases related
> to OTRS.

Indeed - but I'm not asking about just privacy issues.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-09 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 18:52, Jonatan Svensson Glad
 wrote:

> 1. what are OTRS' rules and policies?
> I’m unable to answer this due to the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS 
> agents sign.

So who is able to answer it?

>  I believe OTRS falls under the Communications committee’s purview,

There is nothing sayng so on
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications_committee

> and perhaps T

...nor on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trust_and_Safety

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[Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-06 Thread Andy Mabbett
OTRS is an important part of our activity, and is akey interface
between our volunteers and key partner institutions, as well as (often
notable) individuals.
By its very nature, much of what OTRS agents do cannot be as
transparent as the rest of our activities, being rightly held as
confidential.

For that reason it is essential that what can be, is as transparent as possible.

Back in February, an issue arose [1] where it became known that an
OTRS agent was rejecting images supplied by individuals at the request
of Wikidata volunteers, to illustrate Wikidata items, apparently
because that individual misunderstood and was mis-applying Commons
policy.

During the discussion of that case, on the OTRS noticeboard on
Commons, I raised ten questions [2]:

1. what are OTRS' rules and policies?

2. where are those rules and policies documented, and why are they not public?

3. where are those rules and policies discussed and decided?

4. what is the process for getting those rules and policies changed
(or reworded for clarity)?

5. how is OTRS overseen, and who by?

6. what is the approval process for an individual to become an OTRS agent?

7. what is the process for the community to remove an individual's
OTRS permissions, if they fail to uphold or abide by policy?

8. if an individual has been acting contrary to policy, what is the
process for reviewing and if necessary overturning their past actions
(including contacting and apologising to their correspondents)?

9. which individuals can make someone an OTRS agent, or remove their
permissions?

10. how are the individuals in #9 appointed and overseen?

Some discussion ensued, and an email was reportedly posted to the
closed OTRS mailing list asking for input, but after several months
(indeed, nigh on half a year), THE QUESTIONS HAVE NOT YET BEEN
ANSWERED [*] (the discussion has even had to be restored from the
page's archives).

How the OTRS system operates remains opaque to most Wikimedians.

How can we get answers to these vital questions?


[Please preferably reply in the OTRS noticeboard thread if possible.
Where discussion does take place on this mailing list, please add key
points to the noticeboard thread]

[1]  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#OTRS_&_Wikidata

[2]  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#questions

[*] A single link was provided, to
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/OTRS - which is a
set of 214 pages

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Citizendium shutting down

2020-07-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 22:11, David Gerard  wrote:

> basically - nobody's editing anything any more, and the money's running out.

Or, as en.Wikipedia puts it: "As of January 2019, it had 16,978
articles, of which 166 had achieved editorial approval, and around 2
contributors who made at least 1 edit in the previous month."

How's Everipedia getting on, BTW?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Preventing conflicts of interest in Wikimedia organizations' employment and financial relationships

2020-05-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 20:21, Pine W  wrote:

> For example, is there any monitoring of the bank accounts of board
> members and executives

I  very much hope not. That would be an outrageous intrusion.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 15:53, Gnangarra  wrote:

> I think we could start to make the category structure obsolete  and focus
> on structured data

I think that would be an excellent move; but first we need to stop and
reverse the harmful "keyword stuffing" encouraged by the WMF:

   
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Structured_data/Computer-aided_tagging#Upcoming_improvement_to_computer-aided_tagging

   
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2020/02#Misplaced_invitation_to_%22tag%22_images

You'll note my request on the latter page that the WMF provide
evidence of consensus for their model of tagging has been repeatedly
ignored; on 29 February this year I wrote - in response to a claim
from a WMF staff member that "we're not ignoring anything":

"You have been called out for ignoring questions, by a number of
people. You have only just - on 29 February - replied to some of the
points I raised on this page on 11 February - nearly three weeks ago -
even though I and others complained about your lack of response on 14
February. You have yet to respond to requests to show where there is
consensus for the tool to operate, or to use depicts statements in the
manner it is - including in the very post you reply to here. Most
significantly, you have yet to answer requests to explain how the
tool, or the invitation to tag, can be turned off."

My post was eventually archived, with no response to it.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates from Wikimedia Foundation Board

2020-05-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sat, 2 May 2020 at 22:30, Pine W  wrote:

> I must point out that, at this time, the WMF Board has not received
> consent from the community to make changes to its size or composition,
> nor to alter the terms for the holders of community-nominated seats to
> the Board.
>
> I suggest that the Board start an RfC on Meta regarding extending the
> terms of existing community-selected trustees by one year. This would
> be a simple RfC and easy to implement.
>
> A more complex RfC would be needed regarding the size and composition
> of the Board.

> WMF has a pattern of making significant decisions which it has not
> discussed with the community in advance and for which it has not
> obtained the community's consent. The fact that the Board continues in
> this pattern even after a governance review is concerning.

From the e-mail to which you reply;

"We plan to present the Board’s vision and hold a community discussion
as part of the process for the Bylaws change."

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 at 16:44, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 07:27, Yair Rand  wrote:
>
> > Also importantly, the Foundation's Policy and Political Association
> > Guideline, which was written by WMF Legal in the aftermath of SOPA
>
> Link, please.

A link has been provided, off-list:


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal/Foundation_Policy_and_Political_Association_Guideline#Limited_Trademark_Endorsement

The top of that page has an FAQ, which includes:

   Is this guideline binding?

   No. Though we intend for this guideline to be our normal operating
   procedure, the Wikimedia Foundation reserves the right to take the
   best action as circumstances require. This guideline is not a contract
   or binding policy.

and the foot of the page has:

   WMF reserves the right to deviate from this policy depending on the
circumstances.
   The General Counsel must approve any such deviation.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 07:27, Yair Rand  wrote:

> Also importantly, the Foundation's Policy and Political Association
> Guideline, which was written by WMF Legal in the aftermath of SOPA

Link, please.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia and a new Wikipedia project

2020-04-14 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 01:52, Denny Vrandečić  wrote:

> As some of you know, I have been working on the idea of a multilingual
> Wikipedia for a few years now.

What's the elevator pitch for this?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Covid-19] Postponing Wikimania Bangkok until 2021

2020-03-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 at 20:57, Katherine Maher  wrote:

> *== What does this mean for scholarship applications? ==*
>
> We are working on a plan for how to process Wikimania 2020 scholarship
> applications. We will share more information in the coming weeks.

The deadline for scholarship applications was 17 March (for clarity
the day before this announcement to which I'm replying).

It was clearly likely before then that this sensible decision would be taken.

I trust that people who did not apply for that reason, or who knew
they would be unavailable this year for other reasons, will be able to
apply for scholarships for next year's event?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject COVID-19 (English Wikipedia) is started

2020-03-15 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 21:07, Paulo Santos Perneta
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>> Covid is an abreviaton for coronavirus disease.

> No, it's an abbreviation for *Coronavirus Disease 2019* [1]

That would make "COVID-19" mean "Coronavirus Disease 2019-19".

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject COVID-19 (English Wikipedia) is started

2020-03-15 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 20:56, Paulo Santos Perneta
 wrote:

> Even worst, it's contaminating other projects, like Wikidata and Wikimedia
> Commons, with teams of wiki.en editors going there to revert anyone that
> dares to move the disease to its proper name.

Diffs, please.

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[Wikimedia-l] World Health Organization licences & COVID-19

2020-03-12 Thread Andy Mabbett
WHO have a great video on COVID-19 ("Coronavius"):

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1APwq1df6Mw

Now would be a good time for the WMF, local chapters, other
affiliates, and individual, to publicly call on them to open licence
such material, as I have done, here:

   https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1238124060145483777

[much of their published material is under NC restrictions -
https://www.who.int/publishing/copyright/en/ ]

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-26 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 20:36, Vi to  wrote:
>
> Hard to tell anything without the relevant link(s).

For you, maybe. Others have already given helpful replies.

My question was generic, and not about the specific case I gave as an example.

I chose not to post links to to the example, both in order to avoid a
pile-on, and to avoid us being distracted by the minutiae of the
incident concerned.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on otherprojects

2020-02-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 17:10, Rebecca O'Neill  wrote:
>
> I think this is what is being referenced:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#OTRS_&_Wikidata

Thank you; it is.

The issue is not with Commons, but with Commons' OTRS.

tl;dr = wanted photographs of individuals with items on Wikidata
(established 2012) , that meet Wikidata's notability criteria, are
being rejected, unseen by the Commons or Wikidata communities, by OTRS
volunteers, based on a 2010 policy that is on a password-protected
wiki. Requests for details how how that policy was arrived at, and how
it can be changed, remain unanswered.

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[Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-19 Thread Andy Mabbett
I have just come across a case on en.Wikipedia where the daughter of
an article subject added details of his funeral (his death in 1984,w
as already recorded) and his view about an indent in his life.

Her six sequential edits - her first and only contribution to
Wikipedia - totalled 1254 characters, and were conducted over the
space of 30 minutes. They were no the best quality, lacking sources,
but were benign, and exactly what one might expect an untutored novice
to do as a first change.

As well as being reverted, she now has three templates on her talk
page; two warning her of a CoI, and sandwiching one notifying her of a
discussion about her on the COI noticeboard. These total 4094
characters or 665 words.

How do other projects deal with such cases?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 at 23:04, John Erling Blad  wrote:
>
> This is out in several newspapers now.
>
> "Snøhetta shall create new visual profile for Wikipedia-owner"

This edit made 10 January 2020, is relevant:

  
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project=19696096=19684544

Indeed, Snøhetta was added to that page on 18 December 2019.


User:SnøhettaAS was blocked on en.Wikipedia  on 4 October 2019, after
just three edits - two to [[Snøhetta (company)]] and one to their talk
page. No paid editing declaration had been made. The subsequent
history of that article is also worth reviewing.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome back, Turkey

2020-01-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 01:13, Amanda Keton  wrote:

> Of course, there are other blocks around the world still in place, and our
> efforts in addressing this type of censorship of knowledge is far from
> over.

Do we have a central log of these blocks; and steps taken to overcome them?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] default import sources

2019-12-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 at 06:19, effe iets anders  wrote:

> I remember bringing this up several years ago at Dutch Wikipedia, and from
> what I recall, there were people that don't want the import function to be
> active on their wiki for more fundamental reasons (they don't want old
> versions to exist that were not created on their own wiki).

Does that mean that they don't want to give proper attribution when
they use others' work?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 13:03, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

[...]
> Your statement, made in ignorance of the facts, is offensive not only
> to me, but chiefly to the many other volunteers who are busy growing
> Wikidata in Africa and Asia, both as a result of my voluntary
> activities and otherwise.

It's been pointed out to me that I misread the email to which I
replied; I apologise, and withdraw my comments.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 06:38, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:

> There is no attention from the community to get our data into Africa
> or Asia for that matter, what happened is all thanks to staff efforts.

In 2015, as a volunteer, I gave a keynote presentation on Wikidata's
sue of authority control identifiers, at the World Digital Library's
Arab Peninsula Regional Group conference in Doha

Also in 2015, I visited Tunis and Monastir, to speak as a volunteer at
WikiArabia, which was attended by both African and Asian delegates. I
also gave talks to university students, met with GLAM professionals,
and was interviewed a national radio station.

In 2016, I spent several days, as a volunteer, training Wikimedia
volunteers in Jakarta to edit Wikidata, as well as giving a talk on
Wikidata to staff of a the education ministry, with which they
collaborate.

In 2017, I visited Cairo, as a volunteer, to give a workshop on
Wikidata at WikiArabia.

In 2018, I and several other volunteers spoke at a GLAM conference in
Yerevan, and gave talks and training workshops for Wikimedia
volunteers there.

Also in 2018, while in Cape Town for Wikimania, as a volunteer, I
assisted at Wikidata workshop for South African librarians.

Near the end of 2018, I visited eastern Istanbul to give a guest
lecture on Wikidata to students at Üsküdar University. And yes, I did
so as a volunteer.

In 2019, I introduced academics from two South African Universities,
whom I met in England, to volunteers from WMZA. They are now
collaborating on introducing Wikimedia projects into further education
in that country.

I maintain ongoing relationships and online collaborations with many
of the African and Asian Wikimedians I met on my travels.

Your statement, made in ignorance of the facts, is offensive not only
to me, but chiefly to the many other volunteers who are busy growing
Wikidata in Africa and Asia, both as a result of my voluntary
activities and otherwise.


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[Wikimedia-l] .org TLD for sale?

2019-11-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
I have just seen this:

   https://savedotorg.org/

  "The .org domain is about to be sold to a private equity firm.

   "Join the coalition of nonprofits opposed to this blatant
disregard of the public interest."

WMF are among the signatories.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

2019-10-10 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 18:33, Henry Wood  wrote:

> Is the subject being a Wikimedian relevant to whether or not material
> should be published?

In practice items about Wikimedians are /more/ likely to be deleted
than equivalent items about non-Wikimedians.

I know of cases (mostly now reversed, thankfully) where items about
the authors of academic papers - and so clearly meeting Wikidata's
notability criteria - were deleted *because* the author was also a
Wikimedian.

In one case, an item was deleted by the subject Wikimedian himself,
with no prior discussion. Despite this glaring conflict of interest,
it has never been restored.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 23:02, Paulo Santos Perneta
 wrote:

> Andy Mabbett  escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019


>> On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
>>  wrote:
>>
> > Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's
> >basically a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
> >
> > It's a curious precedent.

> > The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia Community
> > User Group Wales (c/f Wikimedia UK).

> Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't believe
> it compares with a city UG.

Who made any comparison of Wales to a city?

The issue under discussion was a UG as "basically a cell of" a national chapter.

[Though if you do want such a comparison, St. P.'s population is near
double that of Wales]

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
 wrote:

> Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's basically
> a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
>
> It's a curious precedent.

The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia Community
User Group Wales (c/f Wikimedia UK).

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Huhall] Viola wikipedia

2019-10-01 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 16:46, Samuel Klein  forwarded:

> Here is a plant name (*Viola Wikipedia*), which may be first name to honor
> Wikipedia.

I have reciprocated with this:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola_wikipedia

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Wikimedia Foundation’s new CTO, Grant Ingersoll

2019-09-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 17:55, Katherine Maher  wrote:

> I’m excited to officially welcome Grant Ingersoll as our Chief Technology
> Officer! Grant

It is UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS of Katherine to post this...

> In Grant’s own words

> We're adjusting to the empty nest life with our dog Allie (a
> black lab mix).

...without linking to at least one cute pic of Allie ;-)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki loves SDGs

2019-09-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 09:24, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:

> Calling someone "flippant" is a direct attack -

Nobody called you flippant. Fæ said "your comments are flippant"

Please stop this, now.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-09-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 14:19, Diane Ranville
 wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:28 PM Andy Mabbett 

> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_are_the_steps_that_will_take_place_between_recommendations_being_published_and_implementation

> > > perhaps that section could be updated to reflect that:

> > The section remains unchanged. Is anyone planning to update it?

> Working groups are currently working off-wiki on a new version that will
> soon be submitted to discussion again. Current versions are indeed not
> being updated (I think they are not meant to be).

Thank you, but in the email to which you replied, I was referring not
to a WG recommendation, but to the FAQ (URL above), which is clearly
at odds with the process as stated in Nicole's email.

I shall look forward to reviewing the revised recommendations.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-09-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
The section remains unchanged. Is anyone planning to update it?

On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 14:29, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 19:48, Jeff Hawke  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:41 PM Andy Mabbett 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:55, Jeff Hawke  wrote:
> > >
> > > > the WG then collate them and decide the final form of the
> > > > recommendations, to be implemented by the WMF
> > >
> > > This seems to be missing a rather crucial intermediate step; the one
> > > where the recommendations are accepted, or not, by the wider Wikimedia
> > > community.
> > >
> >
> >  That step is not mentioned at
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_steps_will_take_place_in_the_next_few_months_to_put_a_decision-making_process_in_place?
>
> But it is alluded to further down that page, albeit with an apparent
> assumption that the recommendations will (all) be implemented:
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_are_the_steps_that_will_take_place_between_recommendations_being_published_and_implementation?
>
> In the light of Nicole's recent - and reassuring - email:
>
>https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-August/093303.html
>
> perhaps that section could be updated to reflect that:
>
>"[recommendations not needing the legal authority of the board] will
> then be further delegated to other community mechanisms and
> structures for approval or further consultation."
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-09-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
It's now over a month since the appended exchange, when I suggested
that the answer "All change has negative connotations to some members
of the community", to the question "Could this Recommendation [to, in
part, allow material with NC and ND licences] have a negative
impact/change?" be rewritten to actually reflect the proposal's real
and significant risks.

I've just checked, and it's unchanged.


On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 17:52, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 16:51, Nicole Ebber  wrote:
>
> > This is a
> > process for all of us to shape our shared future, together; let’s keep
> > engaging and challenging one another in this same spirit.
>
> Perhaps it would also be in keeping with that spirit for this:
>
> Q4a. Could this Recommendation have a negative impact/change?
>
> All change has negative connotations to some members of the community
>
> to be re-written, to actually reflect the proposal's real and significant 
> risks?
>
> As it stands, I do not find it to be "solution-oriented", nor
> indicative of "due review and reflection", nor "in the spirit of
> collegial collaboration", and I do not think anyone could plausibly
> argue that it is any of those things.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration with Indonesian Air Force

2019-09-12 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 11:50, Biyanto Rebin
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> We are happy to announce that Wikimedia Indonesia will collaborate with
> Indonesian Air Force to provide free access for their museum collection to
> wider audiences.

Great news - well done!

> We are starting to upload and provide the QR code to their collection.

Can you confirm that you will be using QRpedia?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 10:42, Todd Allen  wrote:
>
> Well then, why aren't you listening?

You appear to be addressing an individual. Your top-posting does not
make the addressee clear.

> We've been begging WMF for years to come up with a solution for paid
> editing. If you actually put something in the ToU against it,

What, like this?

   
https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use/en#4._Refraining_from_Certain_Activities

it was added in June 2014.

> we can get paid edit requests removed  from sites like Upwork,

How's that going, since June 2014?

> In the meantime, we get a WMF "working group" wanting to not only allow
> paid editing, but have WMF do the paying.

> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Resource_Allocation/Recommendations/C

That page says:

  "The solutions we are exploring (tentative recommendations) are:

 "Payment for ‘necessary services’ to ensure equity in who is able to spend
  their time being a Wikimedian. We’re thinking about Boards, and other
  'functionary' roles (Fund committees, etc.) that require special privilege
  access to data/tools, and have a 'term' for their role in which they are
  considered to be on duty (e.g. 2 years), and for which they are personally
  responsible. We are currently not sure about ‘paid editing’, and leaning
  towards not supporting that.  Perhaps this will be decided at a
local level,
  e.g. via the Regional Hubs."

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 19:48, Jeff Hawke  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:41 PM Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:55, Jeff Hawke  wrote:
> >
> > > the WG then collate them and decide the final form of the
> > > recommendations, to be implemented by the WMF
> >
> > This seems to be missing a rather crucial intermediate step; the one
> > where the recommendations are accepted, or not, by the wider Wikimedia
> > community.
> >
>
>  That step is not mentioned at
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_steps_will_take_place_in_the_next_few_months_to_put_a_decision-making_process_in_place?

But it is alluded to further down that page, albeit with an apparent
assumption that the recommendations will (all) be implemented:

   
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_are_the_steps_that_will_take_place_between_recommendations_being_published_and_implementation?

In the light of Nicole's recent - and reassuring - email:

   https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-August/093303.html

perhaps that section could be updated to reflect that:

   "[recommendations not needing the legal authority of the board] will
then be further delegated to other community mechanisms and
structures for approval or further consultation."

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:55, Jeff Hawke  wrote:

> the WG then collate them and decide the final form of the
> recommendations, to be implemented by the WMF

This seems to be missing a rather crucial intermediate step; the one
where the recommendations are accepted, or not, by the wider Wikimedia
community.

While some of the changes recommended may be in the gift of the WMF to
apply unilaterally, others are not, and there is ample evidence that
attempting to do so would be far from advisable.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-14 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 22:09, Pine W  wrote:

> I don't want people to feel that their ideas are being casually dismissed

I don't want people to feel their genuine concerns are being casually
dismissed; not least with glib lines like "All change has negative
connotations to some members of the community".

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 23:40, Aron Manning  wrote:

> 1st article
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/20/us/slave-photographs-harvard.html> is
> about commercial use (NC): "the university is illegally profiting from the
> images by using them for “advertising and commercial purposes,” such as by
> using Renty’s image on the cover of a $40 anthropology book."

You're quoting out of context. The words you quote are proceeded by
"The lawsuit says that...". So it's no more than an allegation, which
may well prove to be false. No argument is made, that an "NC" licence
could be applied to images that were taken "almost 170 years " ago and
whose copyright has therefore almost certainly expired. If such images
were published by a GLAM under an NC licence, we'd likely ignore it
and treat them as PD.

> 2nd article
> <https://s3.amazonaws.com/documents.lexology.com/10a84c6c-538e-41d6-816e-f61460946a79.pdf>
> is
> about derivative work (ND): "The past year has had several high profile
> examples of the perceived misuse of Native American culture find
> significant echo in the media. These include a Victoria’s Secret model
> wearing a headdress during a fashion show, the No Doubt music bands
> ’cowboys and Indians' themed music video, and the use of the “Navajo” name
> and symbols on various goods by the clothing company Urban Outfitters
> attracting legal proceedings for misrepresenting the products’ origins as
> well as public ire."

The original is paywalled for me, but from what you quote, none of
those case studies concerns the use of media which could have been
released under an NC licence, and no argument is made that such a
licence could be applied to anything which would prevent such cultural
appropriation.

> It's my conclusion these "explain the need" for *some* solution to disallow
> such usages. NC and ND is one way to express this prohibition.

I see no basis for concluding that NC or ND address the probelm to
which you refer. Perhaps you would care to
elaborate on your reasoning, with examples?



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 21:43, Philip Kopetzky  wrote:

> these are still rather talking points than specific
> visions of the future and it would be great to discuss them in that way.

Beyond what I have already said, I do not see any merit in discussing
glib statements like "All change has negative connotations to some
members of the community", whether as "talking points" or anything
else

I would be happy to understand the thought process behind the working
group's proposals, and to discuss that, if they care to explain it by
giving a sensible and considered set of answers to the question "Could
this Recommendation have a negative impact/change?".

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 16:51, Nicole Ebber  wrote:

> This is a
> process for all of us to shape our shared future, together; let’s keep
> engaging and challenging one another in this same spirit.

Perhaps it would also be in keeping with that spirit for this:

Q4a. Could this Recommendation have a negative impact/change?

All change has negative connotations to some members of the community

to be re-written, to actually reflect the proposal's real and significant risks?

As it stands, I do not find it to be "solution-oriented", nor
indicative of "due review and reflection", nor "in the spirit of
collegial collaboration", and I do not think anyone could plausibly
argue that it is any of those things.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] An updated design for the Wikimedia Foundation website

2019-07-10 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 at 02:31, Gregory Varnum  wrote:

> Today, we are  thrilled to share an updated visual design style on the
> Wikimedia Foundation website (wikimediafoundation.org)!

Thank you. This is a vast improvement on the previous design.

However, I'm troubled that there is a scrolling background image, and
I cannot find a way to stop it moving. This is in breach of this WCAG
2 web accessibility guideline:

   https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/time-limits-pause.html

and, if that guideline is breached right on the home page, then I am
concerned that insufficnt thought has been given to accessibility in
general.

What kind of accessibility audit was undertaken on the new design?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banning real identities

2019-07-05 Thread Andy Mabbett
> Den fre. 5. jul. 2019 kl. 11.53 skrev Thomas Townsend  > You don;t explain why being "doxxed" was a bad thing for you, or
> > indeed what the downside is for anyone,  You simply assert that it is
> > a Bad Thing and must not happen.  Would you like to give your reasons
> > for those assertions?

I lost my wallet to a pickpocket last week. Do I now need to give
reasons why this was a bad thing?

Quite apart from the fact that you ignore the text "It may get them
jailed for the wrong reasons. It may get them harmed for their genuine
contributions."

On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 12:25, Thyge  wrote:
>
> - and please explain the meaning of 'doxxed" as well. Is that US slang?

If only there was some sort of free online encyclopedia, where such
things could be looked up:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 19:18, Kirill Lokshin  wrote:

> Rather, the problem occurs when a *popular* competent editor violates the
> civility policy (or, for particularly popular editors, virtually any other
> policy); the traditional consensus-based approach to policy enforcement
> makes it difficult, if not impossible, to effectively sanction an editor
> with a substantial contingent of vocal supporters who will argue against
> any such sanctions whenever the opportunity arises.

This.

And a number (not everyone, of course) of those screaming loudest
about the WMF's recent action are those whose style of behaviour would
see them sanctioned if a civility policy were properly enforced.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 19:52, David Gerard  wrote:

> I think the problem is that the pathological people, having been
> called out on being pathological, decided to double down on the
> original complainant.

The supposed original complainant.

We have seen scant evdience to suggest any basis of truth in this.

> See also: Gamergate, a clearly apt and apposite
> comparison.

Indeed.

And blaiming WMF for this is ridiculous.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 18:51, Todd Allen  wrote:

> It is not always necessary for everyone to see everything,
> but it is crucial for the accused party to. They have the right to defend
> themself.

Do they, really?

If your local restaurant or supermarket decides to ban you, do you
have that right then?

What about Facebook, Twitter, or Flickr?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 07:43, Yair Rand  wrote:

> Philippe, the email from Trust & Safety said quite clearly that the ban was
> triggered by edit 895438118. I assume that T would not lie about their
> reasons for something like this.

I haven't seen this email. Have you? If so, where?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-14 Thread Andy Mabbett
> On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 05:10, Yann Forget  wrote:
> >
> > This was reverted. It is a dishonest edit with a misleading summary

On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 17:46, David Gerard  wrote:

> Yann, you SERIOUSLY need to back up this claim of "dishonesty" on the
> part of a Wikmedian of long experience.  Your assumption of bad faith
> here is stupendous.

I too would like to see Yann's justfictation for this claim; and for
his on-wiki post threatening Andrew with a block.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-14 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 04:50, Yann Forget  wrote:

> Currently, we require a confirmation via OTRS if an image was previously
> published elsewhere before being uploaded to Commons.

Really? can you provide a link to a policy age proving that assertion?

Your claim rather makes a mockery of the suggestion that people should
publish to, for example, Flickr before importing to commons

> I think professional photographers should have their account confirmed by
> OTRS.

Feel free to raise an RfC to make that policy if you think it would
gather support.

[snip quote of the entire thread to date]

Will *everyone* please stop doing that?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-19 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 at 16:48, Paulo Santos Perneta
 wrote:
>
> Sad memories of Orkut, Panoramio, and all the unvaluable repositories of
> online knowledge that have been completely destroyed in the recent past,
> because they were doomed as uncompetitive by big corporations as Google. I
> seriously hope we don't go that way.

I can think of at least two precedents that show that we are better
than that: the Kilingon Wikipedia and the 9/11 memorial wiki.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 at 15:31, Peter Southwood
 wrote:

> Abandoning a project and shutting it down sends a message to all volunteers
> that their work could be similarly abandoned and lost one day.

For some value of "lost" - it's likely, in this case, that all the
content would be preserved, either by making the wiki read-only, or
perhaps migrating articles to, say, Wikisource.

Sure, things like some portal pages, templates and categories might be
discarded, but that can happen to the work of any of us, on any
project, anyway.

We have a related, but different, issue at Wikispecies .Technically at
least, that project is now (or could soon be, with a few tweaks)
wholly redundant to Wikidata, and could be populated using
Listeria-like scripts or templates, from what is held in Wikidata.

The Wikispecies community vehemently resist this, and respond with
suggestions that data in Wikispecies (held in a variety of templates,
as well as much unstructured prose) should be what is edited, and
should be used in a reverse of the above process to somehow magically
populate Wikidata.

So we continue to maintain versions of the same data on two (or more:
Wikipedias and Commons also do their own things with biological
taxonomy) vastly different projects, diluting the impact of all of our
volunteer-hours. Anyone who commissioned a system like this in a
professional capacity would be sacked for incompetence.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lisa Lewin joining Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2019-02-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 23:20, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> P.S. Please see:
>
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing#File_tagging_File:Lisa_Lewin.jpg

And now:

   
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Lisa_Lewin.jpg

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lisa Lewin joining Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2019-02-01 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 13:58, María Sefidari  wrote:

> I'm not sure I follow Andy - there is a Photo Credits section, did you see
> it?

P.S. Please see:

   
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pigsonthewing#File_tagging_File:Lisa_Lewin.jpg

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lisa Lewin joining Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2019-02-01 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 13:58, María Sefidari  wrote:
>
> El vie., 1 feb. 2019 14:30, Andy Mabbett 
> escribió:

> > Unfortunately we don't seem to have a free image of Lisa; the one used
> > on the Wikimedia blog is the same as her long-standing Twitter profile
> > image and, despite the footer on the WMF post about her appointment:,
> > which uses the image, saying
> >
> >
> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/01/31/wikimedia-foundation-announces-lisa-lewin-as-new-trustee/
> >
> > saying "Except where otherwise noted, the content of this site is
> > licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported
> > license.", there is no explicit indication that it has (nor indeed has
> > not) been released under an open licence.
> >
>
> I'm not sure I follow Andy - there is a Photo Credits section, did you see
> it?

Thank you. I didn't; I stand corrected, and apologise.

However, I think the reason that I didn't see it is that it is
disconnected from the body of the page by two very long sections; one
(more than a screen deep on my machine) being a pink-backgrounded
solicitation for donations; the other an entreaty to join a  mailing
list. Neither relates to the subject of the article, and once I
reached them I assumed the article had ended. The large version of the
image, at the head of the page, neither mentions nor links to the
credits section.

Perhaps the page design needs to be revisited, to make the credits
section more apparent? Has any user testing of this aspect been
undertaken?

Is there a reason this open-licensed image had not been uploaded to
Wikimedia Commons? (I've now done so, as:

   https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lisa_Lewin.jpg )

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lisa Lewin joining Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2019-02-01 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 20:45, María Sefidari  wrote:

> I am  very happy to share news with you of our latest appointment to the
> Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees. Please join me in welcoming Lisa
> Lewin as our newest Trustee!

Now on Wikidata as:

   https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q61295542

Unfortunately we don't seem to have a free image of Lisa; the one used
on the Wikimedia blog is the same as her long-standing Twitter profile
image and, despite the footer on the WMF post about her appointment:,
which uses the image, saying

  
https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/01/31/wikimedia-foundation-announces-lisa-lewin-as-new-trustee/

saying "Except where otherwise noted, the content of this site is
licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported
license.", there is no explicit indication that it has (nor indeed has
not) been released under an open licence.

I feel for WMF staff when some members of the community continually
criticise what they do; but I'm sure I'm not the first person to quite
reasonably point out that WMF really ought to lead by example in being
clear about licensing, and making media available freely wherever
possible.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 18:27, James Salsman  wrote:

> The "agenda" is shared by a majority of the survey respondents so far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] blocking, unblocking, wikivoyage

2019-01-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 17:53, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Wikimedia-l
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> 1. there are no notice boards, or request for
> administrators, like they have in other wiki’s etc..

That is not so. There is:

   https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Travellers'_pub

which serves the purpose of a general noticeboard; it also lists
several other more specific venues.

It is not necessary for smaller projects to have the number of
noticeboards - let alone the overall bureaucracy - that are used by
larger projects.

If the OP has a /specific/ issue they should raise it on the above
page. If blocked, they should use their own talk page, pinging the
blocking admin.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia Foundation has soft launched!

2018-08-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 22 August 2018 at 09:24, Antoine Musso  wrote:

> On 21/08/2018 21:01, Andy Mabbett wrote:

>>> The text I cited has now been changed to "All text on Wikimedia sites
>>> is available as Creative Commons material".
>>>
>>> This does not resolve the issue I raised above; as my first bullet
>>> point applies not only to media files, but also to numerous texts on
>>> Wikimedia sites; not least a large part of Wikisource.
>> This is still the case. When will it be fixed? Will it?
>>
>>>> Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page
>>>> and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not
>>>> be available under a free license in the United States because it is
>>>> based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright
>>>> under U.S. law."
>>> This image is still on the pages I mentioned.
>> And still is; over two weeks after I first pointed it out. No-one at
>> WMF has even acknowledged my comment.

> As several people pointed out, the issues should be reported on
> Phabricator. As "a b" stated on August 12th:

If "several people" pointed this out, they did not do so on this list.
perhaps you can provide a link to where they did so.

Had I seen anyone point that out I would have commented then, as I do
now, that that is not an acceptable position to take, for reasons
which I'll leave as an exercise for the reader.

I'll also note that a a member of WMF staff, using their wikimedia.org
email address, has thanked people, in this thread, for feedback given
/in this thread/.

>> Please file the relevant tasks in phabricator to enable better tracking of
>> issues compared to on the mailing list:
>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?tags=wikimediafoundation.org

You've quoted that unattributed, in manner (two chevrons) that makes
it appear to have been said my me. In fact, it was said by a b
 on 11 August 2018 at 23:19

> To which you kindly replied:
>
>> Thank you; no.

Indeed so; for the same reason as I indicated above, and as others
have pointed out in this thread.

> So your concerns will be acknowledged once they make their way to
> Phabricator. You can login there with your wiki account.

Were I to perform that redundant clerical task, perhaps they would.

> Until you do so, your concerns will stay under the radar on this list.

That's rather an odd assertion, given that I posted a pointer to my
last update on this list, here:


https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_website=18292898=18291338

being the talk page of a page Gregory Varnum has told us, in this very
thread, to use for giving feedback. I note that Gregory has since
edited that talk page, so can be presumed to have seen it; albeit he
did not give a reply.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia Foundation has soft launched!

2018-08-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 11 August 2018 at 20:50, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> On 3 August 2018 at 22:12, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
>
>> On 2 August 2018 at 02:51, Gregory Varnum  wrote:
>>
>>> You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your 
>>> browser's cache):  https://wikimediafoundation.org/
>>
>> The home page currently says:

> The text I cited has now been changed to "All text on Wikimedia sites
> is available as Creative Commons material".
>
> This does not resolve the issue I raised above; as my first bullet
> point applies not only to media files, but also to numerous texts on
> Wikimedia sites; not least a large part of Wikisource.

This is still the case. When will it be fixed? Will it?

>> Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page
>> and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not
>> be available under a free license in the United States because it is
>> based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright
>> under U.S. law."
>
> This image is still on the pages I mentioned.

And still is; over two weeks after I first pointed it out. No-one at
WMF has even acknowledged my comment.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia Foundation has soft launched!

2018-08-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 11 August 2018 at 23:19, a b  wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 5:50 AM, Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:

[Two outstanding issues with the new website]

> Please file the relevant tasks in phabricator to enable better tracking of
> issues compared to on the mailing list:

Thank you; no.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia Foundation has soft launched!

2018-08-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 3 August 2018 at 22:12, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On 2 August 2018 at 02:51, Gregory Varnum  wrote:
>
>> You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your browser's 
>> cache):  https://wikimediafoundation.org/
>
> The home page currently says:
>
>" Everything on a Wikimedia site is available as Creative Commons 
> material. "
>
> That is not true. Material includes:
>
> * PD content (copyright expires; US government, etc)
> * Fair-use copyright material.
>
> In the latter case, suggesting otherwise could be harmful to our users.

The text I cited has now been changed to "All text on Wikimedia sites
is available as Creative Commons material".

This does not resolve the issue I raised above; as my first bullet
point applies not only to media files, but also to numerous texts on
Wikimedia sites; not least a large part of Wikisource.

> Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page
> and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not
> be available under a free license in the United States because it is
> based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright
> under U.S. law."

This image is still on the pages I mentioned.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Inc. working with Go Fish Digital, a company that whitewashes Wikipedia

2018-08-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
"On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 at 00:55, MZMcBride  wrote:

> It appears that Go Fish Digital has whitewashed its own site, removing
> "Wikipedia" from its list of "primary platforms that define your online
> reputation" at <https://gofishdigital.com/online-reputation-management/>.

But still, on:

   https://gofishdigital.com/create-google-knowledge-panel/

   "How do I get a brand KP?

   "So, what should you do to get a brand KP created for your
organization?  We recommend following these steps:

   "Find someone to create your Wikipedia page or learn about
the Wikipedia ecosystem and create it yourself..."

and on:

   https://gofishdigital.com/online-reputation-management-expert/

   "From Autocomplete to Search Results, Yelp to Wikipedia, there
is an endless list of websites where you must pro-actively protect,
and reactively defend to ensure that your brand is not adversely
impacted by negative content."

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fallout from 2018 Wikimedian of the Year announcement

2018-08-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 7 August 2018 at 21:55, Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin
 wrote:

> This is a request for your input and possible ideas (if any) regarding my
> management of the fallout from Jimmy's announcing myself as a 2018
> Wikimedian of the Year.

Congratulations on your award!

> I would be grateful, if you can advise me on how to properly steer the 
> enthusiasm of
> behalf of regional government, mass-media, NGOs, etc. which have just 
> discovered
> about the possibility of participation in Wikimedia movement

There are plenty of possible answers; but to start with I suggest you
make contact with the people in the "Central Eastern European
Wikimedia Community" network:

   https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Central_and_Eastern_Europe

> & also engaging all Tatars globally (3/4 outside of Tatarstan, 1/5 outside of 
> Russia).

For tips on working with a diaspora community, you might talk to
Susanna Mkrtchyan and her colleagues at Wikimedia Armenia.

As you're working in the Tatar language, the "Celtic Knot" conference,
for Wikipedias in smaller languages, may be of interest. You just
missed the 2018 event, but one is proposed for 2019.

Do post here again, if you have other, more specific, questions.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia Foundation has soft launched!

2018-08-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 8 August 2018 at 15:23, Shabab Mustafa  wrote:

> I had to turn off my anti-tracking extension to see this site properly.

This is how it appears for me, in Firefox (current version) with
AdBlockPlus enabled:

   
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_-_2018-08-08_-_Wikimedia_Foundation_blog.png

AdBlockPlus is reportedly active on 100 million devices.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia Foundation has soft launched!

2018-08-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 2 August 2018 at 02:51, Gregory Varnum  wrote:

> You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your browser's 
> cache):  https://wikimediafoundation.org/

The home page currently says:

   " Everything on a Wikimedia site is available as Creative Commons material. "

That is not true. Material includes:

* PD content (copyright expires; US government, etc)
* Fair-use copyright material.

In the latter case, suggesting otherwise could be harmful to our users.


Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page
and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not
be available under a free license in the United States because it is
based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright
under U.S. law."

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Social media cards for sharing from the Wikipedia\tapp

2018-07-26 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 26 July 2018 at 13:03, Delphine Dallison
 wrote:

> I don't know if that function is included in the tool that John mentioned
> but if it doesn't I don't think it should preclude people from using it as
> you can use other strategies for making these posts available.

> Inclusion should be about expecting more, not offering less.

Indeed. And in this case, people can simply share text and links.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Social media cards for sharing from the Wikipedia app

2018-07-26 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 25 July 2018 at 14:14, John Lubbock  wrote:

> Just wanted to make you all aware of a useful new feature of the Wikipedia
> mobile app. You can share text from any Wikipedia page as a nice image

Unless there is also a mechanism for including the text /as text/,
usually by using the "alt" attribute (sometimes erroneously referred
to as "alt text", I hope people won't do this.

Images of text are inaccessible to people with visual impairment (who
use software to read text out loud); or with no image display in their
user agent (such as the free access to Facebook provided by many
mobile telephone providers, like those some of us used at Wikimania
last week).

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Jenga Wikipedia ya Kiswahili User Group

2018-06-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 10 June 2018 at 14:49, Kirill Lokshin  wrote:

> Jenga Wikipedia

Is that the one where all the articles are in a big pile and we have
to delete^W remove them one by one?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to deal with spam subscription to mailing list

2018-05-09 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 9 May 2018 at 11:23, Sam Walton <swal...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> I take it back, we're now having the same issue with the Wikipedia-Library
> mailing list, and the edit filter mailing list spam has resumed. Is this
> happening on every list?

It happened on the Wikispecies list.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 7 May 2018 at 05:10, Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I recently received an e-mail
> from a user in the Wikimedia movement who has (temporarily?) stopped
> contributing as she is not happy with a specific aspect of the atmosphere
> in Wikimedia.

> She was invited to participate in a Wikimedia activity, because:
> 1. she is a woman
> 2. she is from a minority
> 3. she is from an area in the world with much less editors (compared to
> Europe/US)
>
> and perhaps also because her colour of her skin is a bit different then
> mine (Caucasian).

I'm sorry to hear that a contributor feels unable to continue because of this.

In order to examine what improvements we can make, can you tell us -
without breeching confidentiality - how this approach was made, and
what exactly was said?

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[Wikimedia-l] YouTube shooting and risk assessment

2018-04-05 Thread Andy Mabbett
I'm sure most of you will be aware of the unfortunate events at
YouTube's HQ a couple fo days ago:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_headquarters_shooting

Without giving away anything that might reveal vulnerabilities, does
the WMF have contingency plans for such an incident? What about at
community events in the US, and elsewhere?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel & Participation Support program closing

2018-03-12 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 12 March 2018 at 18:08, Katy Love <kl...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Some background: TPS was created in 2011 as a movement outreach program. It
> reimburses travel expenses for Wikimedian volunteers who present about
> Wikimedia at non-Wikimedia events. Its closure comes as a consequence of
> the grants restructure following our 2015 Reimagining Grants consultation.

> *We will continue to* *support travel requests as part of our other grant
> programs*, as follows:

For the sake of clarity, please could you state what types of
applications (if any) will no longer be supported, which would have
been supported previously?

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[Wikimedia-l] Records Retention and Destruction Policy

2018-02-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
I'm liaising with Charity Navigator, to import data about US charities
into Wikidata.

As an example, I've been looking at their page about the WMF

   https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary=11212

and note that their otherwise excellent rating of the foundation is
reduced by four points (the maximum is 100) due the apparent absence
of a Records Retention and Destruction Policy, "as reported by the
charity on its Form 990".

However,

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_retention_guidelines

suggests that this is an error. Is the policy really missing from the 990?

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