[Wikimedia-l] Safe harbour mooted in Australia for internet intermediaries

2018-06-30 Thread Anthony Cole
On 13th June, the High Court of Australia allowed a defamation case against Google to proceed. Presently, Australia has no "safe harbour" provision for internet intermediaries, though there is some protection for telcos. [1] The previous week, on 7th June, the New South Wales state government

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-30 Thread Anthony Cole
It's still there. Still linking to a local Kmart store. I'll email legal and point them to this thread. On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 8:35 PM Samuel Klein wrote: > Yea, looks like a K*mart ad. > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 2:55 AM Jan Ainali wrote: > > > Well, I guess Occam

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-26 Thread Anthony Cole
Thank you Gnangarra. On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 12:44 PM Gnangarra wrote: > > > > ​No​ > >> thing to do with Wikimedia Australia, we have made no such request. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > G > ​angarra > . > Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-25 Thread Anthony Cole
Thanks Joseph. How weird. On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 at 3:01 pm, Joseph Seddon <jsed...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hey Anthony, > > Apologies for the delay on this. > > To the best of our knowledge, this ad isn't being run by the Wikimedia > Foundation nor any vendor of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-25 Thread Anthony Cole
t; > organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English > > Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone > > can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and > > relevant claim these days. > > > > On Sun, Apr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-18 Thread Anthony Cole
gt; YouTube > > a Facebook to use our data over them not to do so over license issues. > > Remember the days when Wikipedia was young; it was a wide held belief. > > Thanks, > >GerardM > > > > On 16 April 2018 at 01:53, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-17 Thread Anthony Cole
Thank you, Philippe and Joseph. On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 at 8:22 am, Joseph Seddon <josephsed...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Anthony. > > These emails came in on a weekend and today is a WMF holiday so I suspect > it'll be another 24 hours or so before a response will get to you :) &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-16 Thread Anthony Cole
imedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia > >> > >> Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, > >> organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English > >> Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-15 Thread Anthony Cole
Is someone from WMF monitoring wikimedia-l and notifying relevant employees when an issue arises under their remit? This issue - big companies using our writing without attribution and like-licensing - has been hanging with no word from the WMF for six months. Anthony Cole On Thu, Apr 5, 2018

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-15 Thread Anthony Cole
e > can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and > relevant claim these days. > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking > to > > wikip

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-15 Thread Anthony Cole
Link to a screen-shot of the ad: https://instagram.com/p/Bhl01fhhXHT/ On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 at 8:53 pm, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking to > wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked ency

[Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-15 Thread Anthony Cole
and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-05 Thread Anthony Cole
te my work and share it with the same rights attached. If it is the opinion of the WMF that these smart assistants are not breaching my rights, I'd like to see the legal advice that opinion is based on. 1. https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/24/are-corporations-that-use-wikipedia-giving-back/ Anthony Cole On Thu,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-05 Thread Anthony Cole
We're not at that point yet. I would like to know whether an informal conversation between WMF and Amazon on this topic has begun, though. Anthony Cole On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Kunal Mehta <lego...@member.fsf.org> wrote: > Hi, > > On 04/04/2018 08:36 PM, Anthony Cole

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2018-04-04 Thread Anthony Cole
tion, but for copyleft to be preserved. > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:50 AM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thank you Adele and Yongmin. I'll ask Barbara to clarify next time we > chat. > > > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 at 12:49 am, Yongmin H. <li...@revi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy Phase 2

2018-01-18 Thread Anthony Cole
. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_2030/Process_planning=prev=17657673 On 8 Jan 2018 1:03 AM, "James Salsman" <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote: > Anthony, > > I've been working on > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030/Process_planning which >

[Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy Phase 2

2018-01-06 Thread Anthony Cole
t;, which means identifying the resources needed for execution, and the activities it involves." [1] Anthony Cole 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-09-22 Thread Anthony Cole
s spam. > Please use https://encrypt.to/0x947f156f16250de39788c3c35b625da5beff197a. > > 2017. 9. 22. 01:27, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> 작성: > > > I was speaking with Barbara Page last night (Barbara's highlighting of > this > > issue in a Wikipediocracy blog post > > http://wikip

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

2017-09-21 Thread Anthony Cole
> > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Videos of sessions at Vienna Hackathon and WikiCite

2017-05-30 Thread Anthony Cole
Thank you Andrew for the recordings and Leila for the links. On 27 May 2017 3:59 PM, "NC Hasive" wrote: > Thanks Andrew and Leila. Happy to watch. > > > -Hasive > > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Edward Galvez > wrote: > > > Thanks Andrew and Leila -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Congratulation, Hebrew Wikipedia

2016-12-31 Thread Anthony Cole
Outstanding (normal for Hebrew Wikipedia) On 30 Dec 2016 8:49 AM, "Sam Klein" wrote: > Huzzah! Congrats, and thanks for sharing this, Itzik :) > > On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < > it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm happy

[Wikimedia-l] User session reset due to security issue

2016-06-16 Thread Darian Anthony Patrick
ility of unintended access to user accounts by unauthorized parties. Additional information may be found at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_session_reset. -- Darian Anthony Patrick App. Security Engineer IRC: dapatrick Wikis: DPatrick (WMF) --

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Documentation & Evaluation of the Wikimedia Conference 2016 published

2016-06-09 Thread Anthony Cole
Thank you so much for pulling all that together, Cornelius. An excellent resource for us who didn't make it to the conference. Anthony Cole On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 1:21 AM, Andy Cruz y Corro <andyc...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Cornelius! Just FYI: the documentation link seems to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Crisis of Confidence

2016-05-02 Thread Anthony Cole
time. Anthony Cole On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Nick Wilson (Quiddity) < nwil...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 2:21 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > [...] > > With regard to "[the WMF board] delivering services that are of a high > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

2016-05-02 Thread Anthony Cole
ot;professional", if that's what you're doing, strikes me as a bit sly. Anthony Cole On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2 May 2016 at 23:27, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote: > ... > > On the other hand, I however, had requested mu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-04-25 Thread Anthony Cole
The Signpost has just published the October 2015 email exchange between James and Jimmy - the exchange that Jimmy wouldn't release. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-04-24/Op-ed Thank you Signpost. Anthony Cole On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Anthony Cole

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-04-25 Thread Anthony Cole
ising, opportunistic squatter. Anthony Cole On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Saturday, 23 April 2016, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > Governance worth a damn... Did you know that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-12 Thread Anthony Cole
ain things to the other trustees? Anthony Cole On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Ting Chen <wing.phil...@gmx.de> wrote: > Hello Anthony, > > in my opinion a board member should not foster his or her own pet > projects. The WMF board members are leading a global movement. When &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Ugh. Sorry. I mean: should involvement in and advocacy for a particular movement initiative disqualify one from voting on motions related to that initiative? Anthony Cole On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > jytdog, regarding: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-12 Thread Anthony Cole
d by a community who, I think, expected you to create an environment where Wikidata could flourish. Is it a bad thing to have advocates for movement initiatives on the board? Anthony Cole On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > Good points wo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-12 Thread Anthony Cole
to manage, Denny had the wisdom to step away. He's an enormous asset to this movement; as I said, we're lucky to have him, and I'm very grateful for all he's contributed. Anthony Cole On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 4:44 PM, jytdog <jyt...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is kind of frustrating. Lila

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-12 Thread Anthony Cole
doubt that would be offset by the saved hosting costs. But I'm no expert on these things. Anthony Cole On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 11:46 AM, MZMcBride <z...@mzmcbride.com> wrote: > Anthony Cole wrote: > >Google's "info boxes" and their answers at the top of their results, we're

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-11 Thread Anthony Cole
e're lucky to have someone with Denny's ability and integrity bridging the two. But it's just untenable for him to sit on the board of trustees while he's in those roles. Anthony Cole On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 4:59 AM, Andrea Zanni <zanni.andre...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

2016-03-14 Thread Anthony Cole
That RFC is 20 months old. That media viewer is not today's media viewer. Anthony Cole On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Marc A. Pelletier <m...@uberbox.org> wrote: > On 16-03-14 10:59 AM, Nathan wrote: > > the non-participation of > > non-participants can't render

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
ple button that smoothly reads an article to me, like a podcast, with fast forward and rewind or skip, while I do the dishes would be cool. I hope they're not going to try to re-invent JAWS, though. Anthony Cole On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 5:31 AM, Magnus Manske <magnusman...@googlemail.com>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
I'd use it for most of my citations if it also worked for users of screen readers. But I can't bring myself to add a feature to an article that isn't accessible by the sight impaired. Anthony Cole On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 2:59 AM, Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Ugh. This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ref_supports2#Example Anthony Cole On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 2:51 AM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ugh.I just edited the page and now it's not working. Try this: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ref_suppo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Ugh.I just edited the page and now it's not working. Try this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ref_supports2/Example Anthony Cole On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 2:42 AM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > Regarding "Unless I missed it, there is no good way to automatic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
t in a way that screen readers can read it. Anthony Cole On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Magnus Manske <magnusman...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:18 PM Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Ah. You mean you're counting all footnote marke

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania: Is it going to be once every two years?

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Thanks, Marc. That's a relief. Anthony Cole On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Marc A. Pelletier <m...@uberbox.org> wrote: > On 2016-03-12 6:31 AM, Anthony Cole wrote: > >> I've lost track of where that's at. >> > > Well, there was a consultation involving to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
of those paragraphs would be counted as unsourced statements. But, really, who cares? The whole thing is a non-argument. It just doesn't matter which project is more poorly referenced. Anthony Cole On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:59 PM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > Magnus, I'v

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
l seem to think the problem with the roll-out of the media viewer and visual editor was the stoopid power users. Anthony Cole On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Magnus Manske <magnusman...@googlemail.com > wrote: > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 12:27 PM Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Gnangarra, I was away when Andy was here, and am really regretting missing his presentation. Can you explain to me why the Wikidata people have to make a wikidata item of every source before they can cite it? Anthony Cole On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Sorry, there's a typo in that last paragraph. It should read: The sound argument coming from above is the cry from Gerrard and others that it is hideously difficult to add citations to Wikidata *statements*. If that is so, you should fix that. Anthony Cole On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:27 PM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
rom above is the cry from Gerrard and others that it is hideously difficult to add citations to Wikidata sources. If that is so, you should fix that. 1. http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=378 Anthony Cole On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Andre Engels <andreeng...@gmail.com> wrote

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimania: Is it going to be once every two years?

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
I've lost track of where that's at. Anthony Cole ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cross-wiki notifications beta feature now available on all wikis

2016-03-11 Thread Anthony Cole
. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. etc. ... Anthony Cole On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Wow! Its really awesome. It was much needed. > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-10 Thread Anthony Cole
the "founder's seat" now, and run for a community seat at the next community selection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_202#Your_role_as_spokesperson_for_the_Wikimedia_movement Anthony Cole On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke <wikipe...@z

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-05 Thread Anthony Cole
Recordings of board meetings will be of value to future historians. Anthony Cole On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1 > > Whether to record meetings is a separate question from whether to release > the recordings publicly. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using this list to tear people down

2016-03-03 Thread Anthony Cole
views must have caused. Anthony Cole On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 12:51 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I just thought Mr. Kolbe's mother didn't hug him enough as a baby.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Anthony Cole
> towards them. > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement representation vs WMF board reform

2016-02-28 Thread Anthony Cole
the purse strings, as opposed to the current situation where the techie tail wags the encyclopaedist dog. Anthony Cole On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Pharos <pharosofalexand...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi fellow Wikimedians, > > If we are seriously going to consider an expanded Co

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-02-28 Thread Anthony Cole
or me to publish this private email - it still touches on matters that are not public. ..." Anthony Cole On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:52 AM, SarahSV <sarahsv.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 7:39 PM, SarahSV <sarahsv.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Jimmy, would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-28 Thread Anthony Cole
> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@li

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-28 Thread Anthony Cole
de whole ranges of issues based on some vague qualification > that may or may not have foundation in reality. If there is a specific > example that is terrible and you'd like to bring up, then do so. > > Lodewijk > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-28 Thread Anthony Cole
ia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_transparency_gap#Transparency_about_donor-funded_work_supporting_commercial_re-users > > > > ___ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-28 Thread Anthony Cole
reasons, that's fine. But I'd like to know what is at the heart of the WMF's practice here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Decency_Act Anthony Cole On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Florence Devouard <fdevou...@gmail.com> wrote: > I am not a lawyer so would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-27 Thread Anthony Cole
Florence, can you explain to me the actual risk the foundation would be exposed to if ir got involved in editorial decisions, please? Perhaps some hypothetical examples would help. Anthony Cole On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Florence Devouard <fdevou...@gmail.com> wrote: > Le 27/02

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Anthony Cole
s to specify what "some" means. Or perhaps you could just be specific in the code of conduct. Anthony Cole On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 6:51 PM, James Alexander <jalexan...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Anthony Cole
Can we see your NDA please, Oliver? Anthony Cole On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > Something that I would like to understand is why so much WMF information is > cloaked under NDAs. It seems to me that this is philosophically at odds >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-27 Thread Anthony Cole
d, I think, Pete Forsyth recommends that the interim ED be clearly and purely an interim, not a probationary ED, and I'm persuaded by his arguments. Anthony Cole On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Balázs Viczián <balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu > wrote: > Hi all, > > reading all th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Executive transition planning

2016-02-25 Thread Anthony Cole
There will be an AllHands staff discussion about recent events tomorrow, per Katherine Maher on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/963758547005310/?comment_id=963762980338200_comment_id=963831903664641_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R3%22%7D Anthony Cole On Fri, Feb

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you for our time together.

2016-02-25 Thread Anthony Cole
Thanks for your support over your time here, Lila. It's been invaluable. All the best for the future. Anthony Cole On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Leinonen Teemu <teemu.leino...@aalto.fi> wrote: > Thank you Lila for keeping things moving. Continuous development is the > only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-24 Thread Anthony Cole
I think we agree on the important points. There's a huge potential in Wikidata, and it looks like it's in good hands. Commons could be so much better than it is. Anthony Cole On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > Nice that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-24 Thread Anthony Cole
, sister-projects - too often lose sight of the fact that all of them have yet to prove they have had any significant measurable impact on the distribution of knowledge. So, forgive me if I sometimes forget to include them in my thinking. Anthony Cole On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Gerard Meijssen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-24 Thread Anthony Cole
ing should be overseeing it, not the people who keep the servers running. Anthony Cole On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 11:46 AM, George Herbert <george.herb...@gmail.com> wrote: > More focused but where I was trying to go. Thank you. > > Perhaps two C level positions, Chief Editor Offi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-24 Thread Anthony Cole
the encyclopaedia-makers have generated. If the WMF decides to hold on to all that moolah, shame on them. But I assume it won't come to that: neither the parting of the ways nor, if that does come to pass, the WMF keeping the money. Anthony Cole On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Keegan Peterzell

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-24 Thread Anthony Cole
Sorry, the above post is initially addressing Sarah. Anthony Cole On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > WMF is a technology company. We are an encyclopaedia, an educational > institution. We need them like I need a mechanic to keep my car o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-24 Thread Anthony Cole
. But this tail-wagging-dog thing is just not right. Anthony Cole On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sarah, I'd prefer to see the "keeping the servers running" role completely > separate from the community. As an organised c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-24 Thread Anthony Cole
contractor to "keep the servers running." Organised, we - the people who actually created this thing and actively maintain it - could set the course for its development. Anthony Cole On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sara

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-24 Thread Anthony Cole
are atomised, the latter is our only option. Organised, forking becomes a serious possibility. Of course, I hope it never comes to that. But without that possibility, we are in the position of just having to take whatever from the WMF - good and bad. Anthony Cole On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 9:47 AM, SarahSV

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Post mortems (second attempt)

2016-02-23 Thread Anthony Cole
on, that would be a very good start. On Wednesday, 24 February 2016, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Anthony, > > Thank you for sharing this. It's a very interesting, highly detailed > exposition of the history of Flow, and its predecessor, LiquidThreads. (And > so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] One Last Ride

2016-02-23 Thread Anthony Cole
gt; https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascrip

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Post mortems (second attempt)

2016-02-23 Thread Anthony Cole
Wrong link. It's here. http://wikipediocracy.com/2015/02/08/the-dream-that-died-erik-moller-and-the-wmfs-decade-long-struggle-for-the-perfect-discussion-system/ On Wednesday, 24 February 2016, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > This time last year, Scott Martin wrote up

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Post mortems (second attempt)

2016-02-23 Thread Anthony Cole
nes > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > __

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Shared list

2016-02-23 Thread Anthony Cole
Theo wrote: "PS Anthony, you shouldn't have sent a private email to the list." Yep. It won't happen again. It was an over-reaction to exactly what you're calling out in your post: people having the temerity to tell others to shut up, based mainly on their discomfort with the view be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Shared list

2016-02-22 Thread Anthony Cole
. Literally. Ever. I assume it will be the last. That kind of thing, bullying people into silence, quietly, off-list, is IMNSHO, poor behaviour, billinghurst. Anthony Cole On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Benjamin Lees <emufarm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Someone complained to you off-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

2016-02-22 Thread Anthony Cole
Danny, four months ago the board decided to give her time. The vocal staff have responded by rejecting that. The board needs to reconsider, in light of that response, and either confirm their commitment to the ED or come to a different resolution. Soon, preferably. On 23 Feb 2016 12:09 am, "Danny

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

2016-02-22 Thread Anthony Cole
I found this response interesting. It highlights the imbalance we, on the outside, are having to deal with. It is OK for anyone to criticize the ED on this list and elsewhere but if she says something that implies shortcomings on the part of one or more of her staff or former staff - and if WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Post mortems (second attempt)

2016-02-21 Thread Anthony Cole
I hope to see some rigorous, independent analysis of the current crisis, once the dust has settled. It'd be nice for that to be initiated and funded outside the WMF but with their full cooperation. Is there a charitable foundation whose mission would cover this? Anthony Cole On Mon, Feb 22

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-20 Thread Anthony Cole
gt; New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > ?subject=unsubscribe> -- Anthony Cole _

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-20 Thread Anthony Cole
ur]]/[[User:Jalexander-WMF]] > > Personal capacity, as signaled by my email address, but since some complain > I don't make it clear my role in WMF when I send this type of email: I am > also the Manager of Trust & Safety > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Anthony Cole

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-20 Thread Anthony Cole
I know. Anthony Cole On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Brion Vibber <bvib...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > * The Community Resources Team is in place - it surveyed the community >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-20 Thread Anthony Cole
Those who have been demonstrating gross disrespect for the ED over the last few days need to leave. Anthony Cole On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 1:02 AM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree having all board members engage with the community in their own > voice is l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Engagement office hour

2016-02-13 Thread Anthony Cole
Thank you, James. Anthony Cole On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 10:33 AM, James Alexander <jalexan...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > When one's available, would someone please post a link to the transcri

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-13 Thread Anthony Cole
ot the memo. I think "advised" is enough, and if the board wants more engagement, they can initiate it - presuming the notification is clear and comprehensive, of course. Anthony Cole On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, I'm not sure abo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-12 Thread Anthony Cole
the board should be *consulted* ahead of such applications' or should prior-approve all such applications. That seems a bit like micromanagement. But it makes sense to me for the board to be *advised *of such applications and when they're being actively contemplated or prepared. Anthony Cole On F

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Engagement office hour

2016-02-12 Thread Anthony Cole
When one's available, would someone please post a link to the transcript? Anthony Cole On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 2:22 AM, Karen Brown <kbr...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The Community Engagement department will be hosting an IRC office hour this > Friday, th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-02-11 Thread Anthony Cole
It was obviously evolving as the project moved from initial conceptualisation to the establishment of the Discovery team but, nevertheless, a clear, meaningful statement of the vision for the project (as it was imagined at the time) would have been appropriate when the team was put together. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Future IdeaLab Campaigns results

2016-02-02 Thread Anthony Cole
Congratulations, Jethro. Nice work. Anthony Cole On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:05 AM, Chris Schilling <cschill...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hey folks, > > (Cross-posted to a number of mailing lists) > > Last December, I sent out an invitation to > [[m:Grants:IdeaLab/Futur

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed board resolution on reliability

2016-01-31 Thread Anthony Cole
wrote: > Hoi, > Money would be spend for what ? When reliability is the big issue, the only > issue, we would be Nupedia and not Wikipedia. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 31 January 2016 at 14:53, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com > <javascript:;>&

[Wikimedia-l] Proposed board resolution on reliability

2016-01-31 Thread Anthony Cole
#Reliability -- Anthony Cole ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-29 Thread Anthony Cole
Excellent. Bearing in mind Kat's points, you might consider appointing experts for the duration of specific projects or until predetermined goals have been achieved, or for fixed periods with the clear prior understanding that renewall is unlikely. (You can always offer renewal at the end of a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-29 Thread Anthony Cole
and monitor our course to our shared vision. Anthony Cole On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've never understood why corporate appointees like Guy Kawasaki or the > just-departed Arnnon Geshuri are voting board members, inst

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of María Sefidari to Wikimedia Foundation Board

2016-01-29 Thread Anthony Cole
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] On boards and good governance: The Bottom Line

2016-01-29 Thread Anthony Cole
That was enlightening. Thank you Andy. Anthony Cole On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 11:49 PM, Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: > Given recent issues, I found last night's episode of 'The Bottom Line': > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bottom_Line_%28radio_program

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

2016-01-29 Thread Anthony Cole
Thank you Lila. That's very clear, and I think it's a worthwhile project, exactly in line with our shared vision. Anthony Cole On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Lila Tretikov <l...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Thank you, Sarah for an excellent question. Sometimes I compare

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-28 Thread Anthony Cole
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-28 Thread Anthony Cole
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[Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

2016-01-28 Thread Anthony Cole
How (and how much) does the WMF board of trustees use its advisory board? https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Advisory_Board -- Anthony Cole ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New

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