Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising Testing Update (Friday 6th May) - Hopefully the first of Many

2016-05-09 Thread Béria Lima
My 2 cents :D

1. I can't see the banner (not using the link posted or going by
CentralNotice) Could someone who can see it take a print please? :D
2. Since is related to GoT, shouldn't the pages for the books, series and
author (of the books) be included?

Best regards,

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2016-05-09 13:47 GMT-03:00 Pine W :

> Good, thanks Seddon and Wittylama.
>
> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-10 Thread Béria Lima
Hi Andrew,

*For the last few years I’ve held my tongue as American applicants get a
> fraction of 10% of all the funding for Wikimania scholarships.*
>

Actually you are looking at the old numbers. Both Wikimanias 2015 and 2016
uses a new method of selection. Now, the Global North*[1]  *has 25% of all
scholarships, and the Global South*[2]* has 75%. Now that you have to
compete with most of the rich countries in the world. And is not all: If
you get into the final 10% of the "cutoff",your place may be taken away by
a woman (or transgender) or a Latino, since that is the policy now*[3]*.

And I for one agree with the new policy. The effort made by a European (or
American, or Canadian) to travel to a Wikimania, is something like one
month of salary. For a woman from the same place will probably be 2 months
(pay gap at its finest!) and for a Latino, African, or Asiatic the effort
starts at 6 months and go on to even a decade*[4]* (A full decade of your
salary to go to Wikimania).

So no, I don't feel sorry that most of the scholarships don't go to
Americans, I'm not denying that there is poor people in rich countries but
the level of poverty is *way* too different.

​
Béria L
​. de Rodríguez (a Latino Woman )

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*References:*

[1]: Australia, Canada, Israel, Hong Kong, Macau, New Zealand, Japan,
Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, the United States and all of Europe
(including Russia, but excluding Turkey) (source
)
[2]: Asia (with the exception of Japan, Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore, South
Korea and Taiwan), Turkey, Central America, South America, Mexico, Africa,
and the Middle East (with the exception of Israel) (source
)
[3]: For applicants within 10% of the "cutoff", preference will be* first*
given to the* non-male* applicant, and *secondary* preference to applicants
from* Latin America*.(source
 -
enfasis added by me)
[4]: Venezuela for example has a exchange rate Bolivar-US dolar of 1026 BSF
to 1 dolar. Their average salary is 9,500 BSF (about $ 9,00) at that pace
their probability to attend Wikimania on their own tends to zero. (source
for the exchange rate )

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2016-02-10 13:43 GMT-02:00 Andrew Lih :

> GerardM,
>
> As much as I agree with you on many things related to Wikimania, your
> statement about en.wp and USA being “over subsidized” is off base.
>
> For the last few years I’ve held my tongue as American applicants get a
> fraction of 10% of all the funding for Wikimania scholarships. That’s
> because 10% is allocated to all of North America, so US based folks compete
> with Canadians for that small slice of the pie. Indeed, key community
> members from the US could not afford to go to Wikimania, and did not,
> because of the limited funding. We also do not have a strong chapter system
> to make up for that shortcoming, where European chapters can, and do,
> underwrite their local members with other funds.
>
> I am not against the bulk of the scholarship money going to
> underrepresented developing markets and giving new voices a chance to
> attend. But I wanted to dispel the myth that Americans are always gorging
> at the trough.
>
>
> https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships#Scholarship_selection_process
> https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships#Selection_process
>
>
> -Andrew
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > Pine with all due respect, the USA is not the problem and English
> Wikipedia
> > has been overly subsidised, given way too much attention. Indeed having
> > more people from the USA attend Wikimania is not a good value
> proposition.
> > The USA and Britain is overrepresented as it is.
> > Thanks,
> >  GerardM
> >
> > On 10 February 2016 at 10:13, Pine W  wrote:
> >
> > > From a US perspective, even here in the global north we have plenty of
> > > students and middle-class participants for whom $1500 in travel, food
> and
> > > lodging plus 5 days away from work, family, or school amounts to a
> > > significant or impossible sacrifice.
> > >
> > > Perhaps someone could tell us the statistics for how many people have
> > > attended Wikimania each year who were not WMF employees, FDC or WMF
> Board
> > > members, scholarship recipients, or financially sponsored by WMF
> > affiliates
> > > or WEF. Of those people who pay 100% of their own costs plus the cost
> of
> > > admission tickets, my guess is that many live within a day's travel
> time
> > by
> > > train, car, or bus.
> > >
> > > I would hypothesize that thematic conferences also have a low
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 to be held in Montréal in Canada

2015-12-22 Thread Béria Lima
Congrats to the Montréal team :)
On Dec 22, 2015 11:27 AM, "Mardetanha"  wrote:

> congrats everyone on the local team
>
> Mardetanha
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Gnangarra  wrote:
>
> > this has been known for ages the process was usurped from the community
> >  really dont see a lot to celebrate or to congratulate anyone about...
> yes
> > I was the leader of one bid for 2017 that had followed the published
> > process
> >
> > On 22 December 2015 at 19:05, Rodrigo Padula <
> > rodrigopad...@wikimedia.org.br
> > > wrote:
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding

2014-10-10 Thread Béria Lima
I do agree that it should be great to have a transparent way to elect the
jury, but people, let's at least take the word or the people who commented
here. The ones who come here and said I do work for a wikimedia org, but
I'm in the jury as a volunteer. Why do not believe in then? Most of then
(the ones I know about) are long standing volunteers so it IS possible that
was because of that they were chosen. If the criteria were open would be
better and we wouldnt have that questions, yes. But let's try to keep civil
with the people who DID volunteer to be members of the jury.

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2014-10-10 7:48 GMT-03:00 Fæ fae...@gmail.com:

 The conclusion in response to Itzik's original question how the
 current jury was elected and by who, is that the Wikimania jury is
 not elected, it was selected by a WMF employee against unpublished and
 presumably undefined criteria. Sadly, there are no plans or commitment
 by the WMF to change or improve this process to make it transparent or
 volunteer-centric.

 We also know that at least 5 out of 7 members of the jury have been
 employees. It may be more, but there has been no reply to this
 question.

 It is disturbing that asking questions of governance is being parodied
 as referring to jury members as second class citizens. Nobody apart
 from a member of the jury has made such a ridiculous statement.

 Being an employee is not something that should be hidden or kept
 secret. The community should be free to ask questions about the
 balance of volunteers in an important jury with responsibility for how
 several hundred thousand dollars of donated funds gets spent in order
 to ensure a healthy balance of viewpoints. Having basic governance
 questions marginalized and parodied by the jury is a disappointing
 demonstration of how transparency and accountability will be handled
 for future Wikimania events.

 It is obvious that improvement is needed. It would be great to see
 commitment to change, rather than just defence of the status quo.

 Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding

2014-09-29 Thread Béria Lima
I also would like to know the answer to Itzik question:

 Can you elaborate more on how the current jury was elected and by who?


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2014-09-29 5:17 GMT-03:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel it...@wikimedia.org.il:

 Hey Manuel,

 Can you elaborate more on how the current jury was elected and by who?

 Correct me, but beside Richard Sydmonds - all the members of this year jury
 are new? there is not continuity in the jury?

 Itzik



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 On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Manuel Schneider 
 manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote:

  Dear Wikimedians,
 
  Wikimania is the global, annual conference of the Wikimedia movement,
  organised by the Wikimedia community. Organizing team and location are
  chosen by a jury in a public bidding process.
 
  Due to the growing requirements and complexity for this growing
  conference the Wikimania Committee decided to revise the bidding
  timeline to give more time to prepare the conference.
 
  Here it is:
  * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_bid_selection_timeline
 
  == Jury ==
  The Wikimania Committee is pleased to announce the jury for Wikimania
 2016:
 
  Richard Symonds
  Stuart Prior
  Claudia Garad
  Esteban Zarate
  Daniel Bryant
  Finne Boonen
  Ellie Young
 
  == Accepting Bids ==
  We invite anyone in our community to  submit a proposal for Wikimania
  2016 on Meta Wiki:
  * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_bids
 
  Please consult the timeline and Judging Criteria that are posted at:
  * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_bids
 
  The deadline for bids is November 15, 23:59 UTC. You should setup a
  bidding page and contact Ellie Young, WMF Conference Coordinator before
  the deadline. She will help you prepare your bid. All bids which have
  been confirmed until November 15 will be considered by the jury, others
  will be dismissed.
 
  Subsequently there will be a two week period where the community can
  comment and offer feedback on the proposal.
 
  In December your team must be available for conference calls with the
  jury, after deliberations the host for Wikimania 2016 will be announced
  by the end of 2014.
 
  On behalf of the Wikimania Committee with regards,
 
 
  Manuel
  --
  Manuel Schneider - Chief Information Officer
  Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
  Lausanne, +41 (21) 340 66 22 - www.wikimedia.ch
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding

2014-09-29 Thread Béria Lima

 It also makes me wonder how hard whoever elected the jury worked to find
 interested unpaid volunteers as opposed to employees who are part of the
 normal professional networks.


​I might be wrong, but I didnt saw a mail with a call for volunteers to
compose the jury like they do every year. ​(I do might had missed though so
is better if Manuel or Ellie answers.)

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2014-09-29 11:13 GMT-03:00 Fæ fae...@gmail.com:

 On 29 September 2014 14:45, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote:
  I also would like to know the answer to Itzik question:
 
   Can you elaborate more on how the current jury was elected and by who?
   Richard Symonds
   Stuart Prior
   Claudia Garad
   Esteban Zarate
   Daniel Bryant
   Finne Boonen
   Ellie Young

 Could someone point to a profile of the jury members? It is incredibly
 hard to see who has been an employee of the WMF or Chapters unless you
 happen to know people personally. However, I believe I am correct in
 saying that only the minority of the jury has never been a paid
 employee, which may not be the best thing for a conference aimed at
 unpaid volunteers.

 It also makes me wonder how hard whoever elected the jury worked to
 find interested unpaid volunteers as opposed to employees who are part
 of the normal professional networks.

 Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fuck the community, who cares

2014-04-07 Thread Béria Lima

 *@Fae:  I  do  not  think  that  it  is  within the spirit of the Nolan
 Principles  to  break  a  promise given to participants...*



I'm sorry but quote someone on a on-line journal does not break the promise
of secrecy? If they speak believing they would never be quoted, put their
words on the Wikipedia Signpost isnt breaking that?

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On 7 April 2014 09:53, eLib Project elibproj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey all!

 As  I have been helping out with wikipedias from time to time, here my
 5 cent:

 @Fae:  I  do  not  think  that  it  is  within the spirit of the Nolan
 Principles  to  break  a  promise given to participants... there is no
 trade-offpossiblebetween   the   principles for the principles
 (Leadership, Honesty, Integrity  Selflessness Objectivity vs Openness,
 Accountability ?!).   That  is,   after   all   the   basic   concept  of
 principles  -  that  they  are even followed when you don't want to or
 like to.

 @discussion culture: To get to a decision, everyone must be allowed to
 express  her/or  himself in a discussion without fearing repercussions
 afterwards   -   otherwise  you  just  get  yes-people  who  will  not
 participate   or   worse,   tell  you what you want to hear. Why it is
 important to say something stupid like fuck the community is because
 it came right from the inside, without prior going through a filter...
 with   this   reaction  people will filter and you will not only loose
 dumb but also intelligent contributions.

 @future  (sarcasm  warning):   if   you   do  not  wish  this  sort of
 comments,  just  say  so in a  general   sense - YES, it's possible to
 get the message across without a  witch/wizard  hunt  and  even CHANGE
 the  rules  for  the  next time... learning without burning... how the
 world could have looked if this had been used more often...


 Cheers,

 gego


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine -- is everyone safe?

2014-02-21 Thread Béria Lima
Well just to answer that particular mail by Galio (below) that bothered me:

As far as I see Dennis mail was only a call for help since in Venezuela
there is also a Chapter and also wikipedians in danger right now. He didn't
do in the most calm way but I can completely understand his aggravation
because the situation he is in. There is no request to discuss politics or
policies or anything. Actually the only thing the Venezuelans ask is to
#PrayForVenezuela https://twitter.com/search?q=%23PrayForVenezuela. Your
mail in the other hand sounded to me like Venezuela and their wikipedians
where of no importance.

But anyway, let's go back to track.

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On 20 February 2014 13:02, Galileo Vidoni gali...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please refrain from using this list for political claims. The purpose of
 this thread was to know if our WMUA fellows are safe.

 Thanks,

 Galileo Vidoni
 Presidente
 A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
 El 20/02/2014 12:53, Dennis Pierri dennis6...@gmail.com escribió:

  In Venezuela we are going through the same situation! We students are
  being brutally repressed by government forces just for peacefully
  protesting, they've killed several students in cold blod, and they
  infiltrate our parades to generate destruction and chaos just to try and
  justify their actions. Every mayor city in Venezuela is protesting
 against
  the so called son of Chavez, Cuban-controlled dictator Nicolás Maduro
 and
  his destructive economical and political policies. CNN en espanol (along
  with other international mass media) is making wide coverage of the
  situation because no national mass media is allowed to do so, they even
  took of air NTN24 (a Colombian news channel) for giving coverage of the
  situation. The only channel allowed to give coverage of the situation is
  the government controlled channel VTV, they only report what the
 government
  can use to their favor and very often twist stories to fit their
 purposes.
  Venezuela wants liberty and democracy, we are fighting for it, please
 help
  us by staying well informed, look for several sources not only one, and
 by
  giving us moral support!
 
  Dennis Pierri
 
  On 20/02/2014, at 09:03, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote:
 
   On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Bohdan Melnychuk bas...@yandex.ru
  wrote:
  
   Some WMUA members stay on barricades. Other help in hospitals. IDK if
   right now but they do regularly. --Base
  
  
   I've blogged about this issue at
  
 
 http://wikinewsreporter.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/ukrainian-civil-unrest-and-sochi-reporting/
  .
   The people I've dealt with in the chapter have been awesome all
   things
   considered in trying to support the movement by providing free
  information
   while at the same time trying to deal with everything that is going on
   around them.
  
   Sincerely,
   Laura Hale
  
   --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

2013-05-13 Thread Béria Lima
To get a better picture, the hotels listed in the google maps linked here (
http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation) ranged from 110
dollars to 170 dollars per night and room and If you place 2 people in the
same room the price is 55 to 85 dollars per person (that without the
discount that the page mention). So ya, 200 dollars is way too much for
accommodations.

And that is even without mention the fact that the dorms are 27 dollars per
night...
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On 13 May 2013 18:30, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Andrew et al

 On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote:
  On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net
 wrote:
 
  ...Paris and London are both more expensive cities that Hong Kong, so
 I'd
  expect the daily rate here to be closer to $130/night, and ideally less
  than that where bookings are made sufficiently in advance.
 
 
  Not to be a nit, but I wanted to point out that this biannual study shows
  otherwise.
 
  On this list of most expensive cities for hotel rooms, Hong Kong is #8,
  Paris is #9, and London is not in the top 10.
 
  http://travel.cnn.com/explorations/escape/costliest-hotels-list-637685

 That list is for 5 star hotels; something that I hope that donor money
 is never put towards covering the cost of; regardlessofwho itis.

 But what is most interesting is at the bottom of the article you
 linked to was this:

 Also on CNN: Frugal nights: Decent, inexpensive hotels in Hong Kong

 http://travel.cnn.com/hong-kong/sleep/frugal-indulgence-nice-cheap-hotels-hong-kong-497905

 The Tsim Sha Tsui area of Hong Kong around the university is packed
 jam of decent lodgings, that are a far sight cheaper than the $200 per
 night being budgeted for at the Regent.

 Russavia

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Ellie Young as Conference Coordinator

2013-03-29 Thread Béria Lima
[still in the off-topic]

*Hopefully hotels will be so expensive that Wikimania here won't be
 sustainable*.


Don't need to hope no more, hotels in Rio are *already* expensive because
of the World Cup renovations (is impossible to get a hotel in Rio for less
than 100 USD/night) and I do believe the price will double in 2014 and only
drop after 2016 (after yet another let's-rob-the-people-and-impress-
foreigners event)

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On 29 March 2013 20:09, Everton Zanella Alvarenga 
everton.alvare...@okfn.org wrote:

 [off-topic]


 2013/3/29 Matthew Roth mr...@wikimedia.org
 
  I hear 2014 will be a very busy year in Brasil
  Some sport thing with a ball and a large green pitch :)

 Yeah, we are going to have the world cup, where millions and millions
 of reais (our currency) is going to corrupts to an event that lasts
 only a few days and only high middle class to rich people (and
 foreigners, hey!) will have access to.

 And silly people believe in the silly arguments of economical benefits
 from this crap. Just hace a look at South Africa case. :(

 Fortunately, I hope I will stay far from Brazil to don't see this,
 because only who live here and use Brazilian public services (I am not
 mentioneing the blind middle class) will see the consequences in the
 mid and long term of so much corruption.

 Hopefully hotels will be so expensive that Wikimania here won't be
 sustainable.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global bans RFC closed

2013-03-03 Thread Béria Lima

 *I think it's a good thing that there is a  consensus decision-making
 process outlined for how to do it.*


If we ignore the fact that there was no consensus for the result, of
course. :)
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On 3 March 2013 19:03, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mar 3, 2013 1:47 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hmm. There were 77 comments in support, and 68 comments in opposition,
  but it was closed as supporting the global bans policy in its current
  form. Interesting.

 Note the comments for the second option were to support the position that
 the policy needed revision. Essentially it means not yet, not I oppose
 global bans . There were only 17 comments in favor of having no policy
 whatsoever. The RFC was originally drafted without the third option because
 the terms of use approved by the Board includes reference to a community
 policy about global bans. While the mere concept of global bans is clearly
 distasteful to some, it has and will still happen in very rare occasions.
 There's no putting the genie back in the lamp. In light of that, I think
 it's a good thing that there is a  consensus decision-making process
 outlined for how to do it.

 
  On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:31 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
   This RFC has previously been discussed on this list. The RFC is now
 closed.
  
   https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Global_bans
  
   Pine
  
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

2013-02-25 Thread Béria Lima
Well, since the WCA don't plan to represent all the chapters, it would be
good it changed the name to a more suitable representation of the truth
(that would be something like European Chapters Association based on the
people present in the last
meetinghttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Meetings/2013-07)
to avoid confusion.
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On 25 February 2013 12:21, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl wrote:

 On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

  The model of voting delegates the casting of votes to members of the
   council; which are individuals, chosen by chapters. Purely from a
  practical perspective, it may not be possible for chapters to get
  council members in order by the deadline for this vote if they are not
  already members. Additionally, it's important to distinguish in voting
  between chapters abstaining and chapters simply not participating.
  Choosing to be a member, while not exercising a vote, is effectively
  assent to the outcome. This is not the case for those chapters which
  have chosen not to join the WCA.
 

 while I agree that in principle WCA should serve the large Wikimedia
 community and its impact should definitely not be limited to members only,
 I believe it is quite dangerous from the point of view of governance to
 separate membership from voting rights. Although  it could make perfect
 sense to accept non-member chapter functionaries as candidates for the
 board/chair/etc., the very right to vote should be reserved to those who
 opt-in. Otherwise the chain of responsibility gets fuzzy, plus what Nathan
 wrote.

 best,

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are chapters part of the community and board seats for affiliates?

2013-02-19 Thread Béria Lima

 *Whilst this is true, is there a good reason as to why much of the
 discussion for chapter-elected board seats happens in private? **it
 appears chapter discussion happens on a private chapters wiki and
 chapters-l, a mailing list restricted to only current board members of
 chapters*


Actually it doesn't. If you see the process, pretty much most of it
happened in meta. The part that doesn't happens in the board of each
Chapter (and that is actually private with them) and then they come and say
who they could support and who they couldn't. After that, if there is
consensus the two people are appointed, but since in this year it didn't,
there was a vote (on chapters wiki) and the two with more votes in STV
method got appointed (In this case Patricio and Alice). No drama happens,
we don't kill anyone or anything in the process, there is no cabala, etc
etc etc.

*During which time candidates lose their access to that wiki/mailing list
 but presumably gain access to it afterwards. Unless all the discussions are
 deleted, what is the benefit of having these discussions in private,
 especially if the candidates will see what was said about them after the
 election?*


They do lose access during the election and regain it after. The idea is
not to hide the process from then, is to have a fair discussion. Not all
candidates have access to the list[1], which right there gives then an
advantage the others doesn't. If they have access they would know who
supports then and who doesn't, and what people want the candidate to do and
he could make his campaign over this. The second part is to have the
chapters to say what they really think of the candidates (I can't really
say why I would never vote for candidate A or B if I know that candidate is
seeing the message during the election time).

*I understand why we use private voting through SecurePoll for the
 community elections but please could someone explain what I'm missing
 with regards to Chapter selected seats?*


We use a SecureWikiPoll vote method. That is also private like the
community one is. :)

*Béria Lima*

[1] If I'm not mistaken only 2 candidates last year had access - and none
of then got appointed so they both regain it.

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On 19 February 2013 11:32, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 19 February 2013 13:48, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote:

  To be perfectly fair, all the nominations for the 2012 selection were
  public, so this was less of a problem than in 2010 when they were not
  published.
 


 Whilst this is true, is there a good reason as to why much of the
 discussion for chapter-elected board seats happens in private? Looking at
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapter-selected_Board_seats/2012/Processit
 appears chapter discussion happens on a private chapters wiki and
 chapters-l, a mailing list restricted to only current board members
 of chapters, during which time candidates lose their access to that
 wiki/mailing list but presumably gain access to it afterwards. Unless all
 the discussions are deleted, what is the benefit of having these
 discussions in private, especially if the candidates will see what was said
 about them after the election?

 I understand why we use private voting through SecurePoll for the
 community elections but please could someone explain what I'm missing
 with regards to Chapter selected seats?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?

2013-02-08 Thread Béria Lima
Hi,

Since Club Pune is now open to everyone - and especially Brazilians - I
would like to join too, since Theo tells me that Pune is the second best
city in India. I am a big fan of the Taj Mahal, so for me is the 3rd best
(behind Agra). I never went there, I cant place it on a map, but now its
officially the third bestest place in india.

I am in Club Pune, and brazilians is something they are looking for so much
I will foward this to some of our list, since that is ok now.

Eu estou tão feliz que agora posso finalmente falar em Português aqui!
jejeje :)
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On 8 February 2013 19:25, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi 
 i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
  *BTW I'd like to join this Wikipedia club pune of yours along with 3
  other brazilians, one of them might be under 18 - I'm not sure. I'd
 like to
  join and speak on its behalf please. *
 
 
  You are welcome to join it. and relax - below 18, above 18 is last thing
  we care. Special thanks for bringing in diversity to Club.
 
   Call us older generation, but we prefer facebook for communication :
  https://www.facebook.com/groups/WikipediaClubPune/
  Stay connected via group to get updates about club. :-)
 
  More than joining, if you 'like' to like things - then you can join 3767
  Club followers - https://www.facebook.com/WikipediaClubPune
 
 
 Thank you.

 I'd now like to speak on behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune. We would officially
 like to change our language preference to Portuguese, and affirm that Pune
 is the second bestest place in India, after Delhi. Also We like Cheese!
 Thank you that is all.

 Anyway, please look forward to having more brazilian members of your club
 than pune ones. Some of those would be underage boys and girls, but you are
 from an older generation of course. :P

 BTW in case you haven't realized, that was not to ask for membership but
 point out how important it is to have a resident as a member unless they
 start speaking for a country or a city they know nothing about. The 18 is
 the age requirement usually set by the law, and when you decide to
 officially register your organization as a society, I'll point you to the
 age requirement law or why parental supervision becomes necessary in some
 cases.

 Regards
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-07-30 Thread Béria Lima
Oh my dear beloved Steven, It VERY much is.

The editors who wrote the biggest number of articles is Portuguese (Nuno
Tavares), the one who run pretty much all the bots in pt wiki and is also
Adm and crat is also portuguese (Alchimista aka André Barbosa), the one who
created and put foward the policy of a unified Wikipedia portuguese (the AO
version) is also Portuguese (Manuel de Sousa).

The fact is that Brasil is in the strategic planning, and Portugal isn't.
So WMF tend to forgot us.
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On 29 July 2012 18:33, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  That reads like it was a meeting with a selection of Brazilian
  Wikipedians. That does not equate with Portuguese Wikipedia’s top
  contributors. I'm sure some of Portuguese Wikipedia’s top
  contributors are Brazilian, but it is rather disingenuous to suggest
  they all are.
 
  This was part of your outreach work to Brazil, not Portuguese
  Wikipedia. Why describe it so inaccurately?


 I can see how you would think this if you're not involved with these
 communities, but a clear majority of the active editors on Portuguese
 Wikipedia are in fact Brazilian. The description given is not inaccurate.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-07-30 Thread Béria Lima
John, when those meetings happened, what they said was we want to meet
people from Brasil and when asked who they wanted to meet, the answer was
anyone, doesn't matter how long you contribute or how much, we only want
to talk with the Brazilian community,so no, none of those meetings were
calls for top editors. They were called meetups, they were  advertised
that way, and they were treated that way.

And I can aso say no WMF people contact any Portuguese editor in regarding
to that (let's not say they travel there, but Skype and e-mail also exist,
and weren't used)
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On 29 July 2012 19:33, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On 29 July 2012 22:57, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
  Can your masters degree in mathematics point out where in Wikimedia's
  statement it said all or implied anything other than having met some
 of
  Portuguese Wikipedia's top contributors? Not sure what the big deal is.
 
  The word all actually appeared in my email that Steven was replying
  to. He claimed that a majority of Portuguese Wikipedians being from
  Brazil contradicted my statement that not all (top) Portuguese
  Wikipedians are from Brazil. That was a straw man argument, due to
  all and majority not meaning the same thing.

 confirming.. there are residents of Portugal in

 http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaPT.htm#wikipedians

 but the 'majority' do appear to be Brazilian.  I cant easily see if
 those top contributors attended the meetups at

 https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/03/22/brazil-meetups-march/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-07-28 Thread Béria Lima
46 millions?? That is a joke right? Please someone tell me that this is a
joke.
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On 28 July 2012 00:58, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 the Wikimedia Foundation's 2012-13 Annual Plan has just been published at


 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:2012-13_Wikimedia_Foundation_Plan_FINAL_FOR_WEBSITE.pdf

 accompanied by a QA:


 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/2012-2013_Annual_Plan_Questions_and_Answers

 The plan was approved by the Board of Trustees at its meeting in
 Washington, DC, at Wikimania, and previously outlined to the
 Foundation staff and interested community members at the monthly staff
 meeting on July 5, 2012. We were planning to publish the video
 recording of that meeting at this point, but encountered technical
 difficulties; the video will hopefully become available soon.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Grant Advisory Committee Expanded

2012-07-24 Thread Béria Lima
The question is: They will?

(For disclosure, I'm a member of GAC - since the beginning last year - and
I'm identified since 2008.)
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On 24 July 2012 09:21, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote:

 On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:13:27 +, J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov wrote:

 You can always check the list of users identified to the Foundation:
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Identification_**noticeboardhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Identification_noticeboard

 Alex




 Which means the answer is no: not all committee members have been
 identified.

 Cheers
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

2012-07-03 Thread Béria Lima
Phillipe, a global ban, even by the policy proposed, requires more than 2
communities agreeing that the ban is necessary, as far as I know, even if
we count the office staff as one community that is only one.

At least the guy know why he was blocked? And what is the guarantee we have
that tomorrow you (you here as staff) won't block me or anyone else using
office action as reason?
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On 3 July 2012 16:05, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:

  my
  question was simple was OFFICE action used before to block someone,
  globally or locally?
 


 To the best of my knowledge, no.

 And that's precisely why we would like a global ban policy implemented. We
 would prefer an established, community-monitored process that we can turn
 to when at all possible (and make no mistake, in this case it was needed; I
 wish we could give all the specifics, but for privacy reasons, we just
 can't).  Because we didn't have that, we had to break new ground with the
 Office actions policy.  I hope we never have to use that again.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CSBS 2012 - Results

2012-05-18 Thread Béria Lima
Cross posting
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On 18 May 2012 00:12, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello!

 We have a result! The polls closed a few hours ago and I've already
 counted the votes. The chapters have, by voting, selected the following
 candidates to serve on the WMF board:

 * Patricio Lorente
 * Alice Wiegand

 *Patricio Lorente* (User:Patricio.lorente) is the current President of
 Wikimedia Argentina. He had worked as Project Manager of the Association
 for Social Development in Argentina. At present, he serves as General
 ProSecretary of the National University of La Plata.

 *Alice Wiegand* (User:Lyzzy) is an IT specialist for system
 administration in the public sector. She currently run the IT department of
 a German municipality with 450 PC workstations. In April she will start her
 Master’s studies in Public Policy and Governance.

 I also would like to thanks Arne and Phoebe for the job they did over the
 last two and half years, all the candidates for all the work they put into
 the elections and everyone who participated in the process by nominating
 a candidate, asking questions of candidates or taking part in your
 chapter's decision on who to vote for.

 I commend this result to the board and urge them to approve it.

 Regards,
 *
 Béria Lima*
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